Why is there so much liberal and socialist bias on the escapist?

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Charles_Martel:

Like the well known liberal reality of the free lunch.

Most liberals here are young. Some will when they get older and see the clear reality of life without the distortion of idealism will become more conservative.

That is an outright falsehood. I don't see every person on here with a full-time job and a family becoming more conservative - socially or economically. It is in their long-term interests to continue to receive financial support for healthcare, a right to welfare/social security if they lose their job, and all manners of support available. Neither does it follow that older people will become more conservative as they see your so-called "reality of life". Explain what you mean by that, because it seems quite frankly arrogant and patronising.
Also, idealism is not just the preserve of the left-wing - take a look at the ideologues in the American right-wing, the christian fundamentalists, constitutionalists, et cetera. Since when did idealism become such a dirty word, anyway? It does not infer an inflexible, naive belief system - liberals are just as apt at pragmatism, too.

Helmholtz Watson:

Again, gamer culture. We don't mesh well with an idealogy being lead on a leash by evangelical Christianity.

Judging by this forums reaction to Women vs Tropes, I'd say that gamers don't like to be lead by the leash by Feminist either.[/quote]

Hence why I said in an earlier post that we don't mesh well with hardcore left wing idealogy either.

Helmholtz Watson:

Revnak:

JRslinger:

The public education system in the U.S. is dominated by liberals. Thus many young people get indoctrinated to be liberals.

Bull
Fucking
Shit
Public schools and public educators come in all types. I've had extremely right wing teachers (most of my history teachers), moderate teachers, and extremely left wing teachers. Even ignoring my anecdotes, most school districts buy the text books Texas goes along with, making those at least nowhere near biased to the left. Most U.S. history books may as well be titled "America, Fuck Yeah!" considering the contents.

I think you should remember that the US is very large, and what is normal in one state might be the complete opposite in another. For example, I would assume that schools in Atlanta teach in a different fashion from those in Austin or San Fransico.

GunsmithKitten:

Again, gamer culture. We don't mesh well with an idealogy being lead on a leash by evangelical Christianity.

Judging by this forums reaction to Women vs Tropes, I'd say that gamers don't like to be lead by the leash by Feminist either.

But they all get their text books from Texas (essentially) and their history books are all jingoistic nonsense. That's hardly liberal.

It's because you're so far to the right that you think of liberals as left, for one thing. That you conflate left-wing in general with "socialist", as you've demonstrated numerous times when calling center-left and Social Democratic approaches "socialist". You're an extremist and that means that the whole spectrum left of you, many of which are right-wing themselves or at least centrist, appear crazily left-wing to you. It's a skewed view of the world that causes your problem.

EDIT: Also, I may not have a family yet, I may not be in my midlife crises yet, either, but I do have a full-time job, earn my own money and have to worry about taxes and insurance and all this other crap. And yet I still align myself with Social Democratic ideals. So kindly can it, Charles_Martel, with the ageist bullshit.

GunsmithKitten:

Helmholtz Watson:

Again, gamer culture. We don't mesh well with an idealogy being lead on a leash by evangelical Christianity.

Judging by this forums reaction to Women vs Tropes, I'd say that gamers don't like to be lead by the leash by Feminist either.

Hence why I said in an earlier post that we don't mesh well with hardcore left wing idealogy either.[/quote]
Feminism hardly counts as hardcore by any decent standard.

Revnak:

Feminism hardly counts as hardcore by any decent standard.

Depends on the definition of feminism in the first place.

You and I know what it means, but it's pretty clear that the term has been permenantly, albeit wrongly, synonymous with misandry.

Mortai Gravesend:

Hardcore_gamer:
Seriously, like every other thread on the forum is something like "OMFG ZE EVIL CONSERVATIVE/RIGHT WING HAS DONE SOMETHING EVIL!!!!!".

I am not saying that all liberalism is bad, but it seems to me like the escapist forum users exist mostly of liberals, socialists, and people who hate capitalism and would like to see it burn in hell.

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

It's you. You're incredibly biased so you're distorting the extent of things here. Most of us hate capitalism and want it to burn in hell? I don't recall seeing people say that... Maybe if you mean laissez faire capitalism, but if you do then you're just betraying your biases by just calling it capitalism.

Precisely this.

This has less to do with issues over matters of fact than it has to do with assertions of personal belief in the face of fact. Others are not being 'biased' when they bring up valid criticism that relies on facts upon politically charged beliefs that do not, no matter what ideology they may consider themselves to be a part of.

Charles_Martel:
Most liberals here are young. Some will when they get older and see the clear reality of life without the distortion of idealism will become more conservative.

Absolute nonsense. A poor attempt to both infantilize those who disagree with you, and make a belief hollow of truth and pregnant with self-gratification seem as if it were 'profound' and 'wise'.

For someone who apparently 'sees the clear reality of life', you seem clearly to be lacking in self-awareness of your own claim.

What about some Republicans using Christianity as a crutch for approaching social issues (e.g. gay marriage, education, etc.), or 'free-market' and laissez-faire capitalism as the be-all-end-all solution for economical problems? These are entrenched within idealism, and often lacking in the department of empirical evidence; the latter of these two especially in its lack of understanding of complex human psychology and behaviour (something not uncommon to many utopian idealists of every shade of the political spectrum).

Being conservative does not make one any less of an idealist, nor any less deluded about reality than anyone else.

GunsmithKitten:

Hence why I said in an earlier post that we don't mesh well with hardcore left wing idealogy either.

Ah, my mistake I didn't see that. Sorry

Revnak:

But they all get their text books from Texas (essentially) and their history books are all jingoistic nonsense. That's hardly liberal.

Jingoistic? What? I don't know what your school experience was, but the books I had to read(mind you I'm 20) were not Jingoistic nonsense.

Revnak:

Feminism hardly counts as hardcore by any decent standard.

Wrong, like many other groups it varies. Also, it depends on what wave your talking about, because there are people from second wave feminism that would be considered "hardcore" or extremist.

Hap2:

Mortai Gravesend:

Hardcore_gamer:
Seriously, like every other thread on the forum is something like "OMFG ZE EVIL CONSERVATIVE/RIGHT WING HAS DONE SOMETHING EVIL!!!!!".

I am not saying that all liberalism is bad, but it seems to me like the escapist forum users exist mostly of liberals, socialists, and people who hate capitalism and would like to see it burn in hell.

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

It's you. You're incredibly biased so you're distorting the extent of things here. Most of us hate capitalism and want it to burn in hell? I don't recall seeing people say that... Maybe if you mean laissez faire capitalism, but if you do then you're just betraying your biases by just calling it capitalism.

Precisely this.

This has less to do with issues over matters of fact than it has to do with assertions of personal belief in the face of fact. Others are not being 'biased' when they bring up valid criticism that relies on facts upon politically charged beliefs that do not, no matter what ideology they may consider themselves to be a part of.

Charles_Martel:
Most liberals here are young. Some will when they get older and see the clear reality of life without the distortion of idealism will become more conservative.

Absolute nonsense. A poor attempt to both infantilize those who disagree with you, and make a belief hollow of truth and pregnant with self-gratification seem as if it were 'profound' and 'wise'.

For someone who apparently 'sees the clear reality of life', you seem clearly to be lacking in self-awareness of your own claim.

What about some Republicans using Christianity as a crutch for approaching social issues (e.g. gay marriage, education, etc.), or 'free-market' and laissez-faire capitalism as the be-all-end-all solution for economical problems? These are entrenched within idealism, and often lacking in the department of empirical evidence; the latter of these two especially in its lack of understanding of complex human psychology and behaviour (something not uncommon to many utopian idealists of every shade of the political spectrum).

Being conservative does not make one any less of an idealist, nor any less deluded about reality than anyone else.

I love how he thinks that "Taking back America for Christ" type movements don't count as "Idealism".

Hap2:

Absolute nonsense. A poor attempt to both infantilize those who disagree with you, and make a belief hollow of truth and pregnant with self-gratification seem as if it were 'profound' and 'wise'.

For someone who apparently 'sees the clear reality of life', you seem clearly to be lacking in self-awareness of your own claim.

What about some Republicans using Christianity as a crutch for approaching social issues (e.g. gay marriage, education, etc.), or 'free-market' and laissez-faire capitalism as the be-all-end-all solution for economical problems? These are entrenched within idealism, and often lacking in the department of empirical evidence; the latter of these two especially in its lack of understanding of complex human psychology and behaviour (something not uncommon to many utopian idealists of every shade of the political spectrum).

Being conservative does not make one any less of an idealist, nor any less deluded about reality than anyone else.

Well said. That comment was just narrow-minded and completely dismissive of an entire world-view.

What if I said that people become more narrowminded and jaded in their worldview as they age, making them less able to view the world from an enlightened perspective? That would be equally ludicrous and condescending.

Charles_Martel:

GunsmithKitten:

Charles_Martel:

Like the well known liberal reality of the free lunch.

Makes as much sense as the child recruiting homosexual "reality".

Most liberals here are young. Some will when they get older and see the clear reality of life without the distortion of idealism will become more conservative.

Implying there are no right wing idealists either. Good one, Chuck, good one.

By the way, I'm older than most of the users here too, and I went from conservative to liberal to moderate. Explain THAT one.

I was going to suggest senility but I thought with a forum name of Gunsmithkitten how old could he be.

SHE is 35 years old, actually.

So, evening out my political stances and seeing stupidity on both sides implies neutrological damage and degradation on my part? Do explain that one, doctor.

Seriously?

Check Alexa. We're awash with teens who use the site primarily from school. When I was a teen, I was in the cinci riots getting tear gassed at WTO protests.

Now I'm a 30 year old white male with a mortgage, go to work every day, pay taxes, and no one gives a rat's ass about me; and I'm thinking about voting for Mitt Romney. People change when they grow up.

If I had to tell my younger self off I'd know just what to say- idealism isn't going to pay your bills; oh wait you don't have any because you live with your parents. Guess you can afford to be idealistic, the rest of us have to work for a living and live in reality.

GunsmithKitten:

Revnak:

Feminism hardly counts as hardcore by any decent standard.

Depends on the definition of feminism in the first place.

You and I know what it means, but it's pretty clear that the term has been permenantly, albeit wrongly, synonymous with misandry.

I've seen people on this site be pretty dismisive or antagonistic towards both what I consider to be the most basic level of feminism and something else entirely, so I'd say that it doesn't take hardcore leftism to drive some parts of gaming culture crazy.

Helmholtz Watson:

Revnak:

But they all get their text books from Texas (essentially) and their history books are all jingoistic nonsense. That's hardly liberal.

Jingoistic? What? I don't know what your school experience was, but the books I had to read(mind you I'm 20) were not Jingoistic nonsense.

I suppose I exaggerated a bit, but the whitewashing of American history is pretty obvious. Most of our history books, even some university level ones, go a bit out of their way to make America look good.

Revnak:

Feminism hardly counts as hardcore by any decent standard.

Wrong, like many other groups it varies. Also, it depends on what wave your talking about, because there are people from second wave feminism that would be considered "hardcore" or extremist.

I believe you're thinking third or fourth or why the fuck do I care. Feminism as a basic principle is not radical by today's standards at all, at least it shouldn't be. Some feminist are radical though.

xDarc:

Now I'm a 30 year old white male with a mortgage, go to work every day, pay taxes, and no one gives a rat's ass about me; and I'm thinking about voting for Mitt Romney. People change when they grow up.

I'm older than that, also go to work every day, pay taxes, even less people give a rat's ass about me.....and I wouldn't vote for Mittens if you put a gun to my head.

Guess you can afford to be idealistic, the rest of us have to work for a living and live in reality.

That go for right wing idealists also?

A persons political views can depend greatly on what sort of political influences they have had in their life. Liberal influences include movies, television, video games, music, comics, internet, college, radio, newspapers, magazines, books, etc. Conservative influences include... uh... church I guess.

xDarc:
Seriously?

Check Alexa. We're awash with teens who use the site primarily from school. When I was a teen, I was in the cinci riots getting tear gassed at WTO protests.

Now I'm a 30 year old white male with a mortgage, go to work every day, pay taxes, and no one gives a rat's ass about me; and I'm thinking about voting for Mitt Romney. People change when they grow up.

If I had to tell my younger self off I'd know just what to say- idealism isn't going to pay your bills; oh wait you don't have any because you live with your parents. Guess you can afford to be idealistic, the rest of us have to work for a living and live in reality.

How does Obama make it harder to pay your bills? How might Romney make it any easier? Obviously you're trying to vote with your economic interests - your material concerns - in mind here. But that's your reality, not one shared by Romney, not even by all other working/middle-class Americans, who vary in so many different ways that you can't claim to live in the one true reality. I'm not judging your voting intentions either way, just saying. Reality, funny thing.

cthulhuspawn82:
Conservative influences include... uh... church I guess.

Oi, don't forget internet, radio, TV, newspapers, magazines, books, private schools and homeschooling.
Videogames probably not so much, though, yes.

Skeleon:

cthulhuspawn82:
Conservative influences include... uh... church I guess.

Oi, don't forget internet, radio, TV, newspapers, magazines, books, private schools and homeschooling.
Videogames probably not so much, though, yes.

While there may be conservative influences in those areas, they mostly exist on the fringe, and you have to seek them out. Ill give some examples.

TV- you would have to turn it specifically to FOX news or a religious channel, and then we are talking about channels that specifically preach right wing politics. If we are talking about TV shows that have political jokes peppered in, like Family Guy, conservative influence is 0.

Internet- Like TV, you have to specifically seek out a site that preaches right wing politics. Any normal site that people go to will have a left wing tilt if any, like this site.

Schools- Yes, private schools. To get a right wing influence you have to specifically seek out a special school with the explicit goal of getting a right wing influence.

The reason I pick on liberals more often despite being a moderate is because my exposure to liberal politics has been the same as a Catholic school child's exposure to the Christian religion. It's been forced down my throat so often, and by so many sources, that I have come to resent it, even if I agree half the time.

Revnak:

I suppose I exaggerated a bit, but the whitewashing of American history is pretty obvious. Most of our history books, even some university level ones, go a bit out of their way to make America look good.

I'll agree about whitewashing(see:Native American "history") but whats wrong about making the US look good? I would think that any country would view itself in a positive light.

Revnak:
Feminism as a basic principle is not radical by today's standards at all, at least it shouldn't be. Some feminist are radical though.

Agreed, its basic principles are not radical at all.

Helmholtz Watson:

Revnak:

I suppose I exaggerated a bit, but the whitewashing of American history is pretty obvious. Most of our history books, even some university level ones, go a bit out of their way to make America look good.

I'll agree about whitewashing(see:Native American "history") but whats wrong about making the US look good? I would think that any country would view itself in a positive light.

Something as unimportant as national pride should never get in the way of good history

Hardcore_gamer:

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Danyal just wants to defend your right to have sex with animals, AFAIK.

But as to what you have to say, I'm socially liberal, but economically conservative. Let's be friends?

Hap2:

Absolute nonsense. A poor attempt to both infantilize those who disagree with you, and make a belief hollow of truth and pregnant with self-gratification seem as if it were 'profound' and 'wise'.

For someone who apparently 'sees the clear reality of life', you seem clearly to be lacking in self-awareness of your own claim.

What about some Republicans using Christianity as a crutch for approaching social issues (e.g. gay marriage, education, etc.), or 'free-market' and laissez-faire capitalism as the be-all-end-all solution for economical problems? These are entrenched within idealism, and often lacking in the department of empirical evidence; the latter of these two especially in its lack of understanding of complex human psychology and behaviour (something not uncommon to many utopian idealists of every shade of the political spectrum).

Being conservative does not make one any less of an idealist, nor any less deluded about reality than anyone else.

Good posts need to be quoted to bring more attention to them, so, quoted.

cthulhuspawn82:

The reason I pick on liberals more often despite being a moderate is because my exposure to liberal politics has been the same as a Catholic school child's exposure to the Christian religion. It's been forced down my throat so often, and by so many sources, that I have come to resent it, even if I agree half the time.

Same reason I pick on conservatives more; growing up hellfire and brimstone Baptist can do that to you...

Charles_Martel:

The Gentleman:
Because reality has a well known liberal bias...

On a more serious note, I would say it's because the last 10-30 years (depending on the country) conservative economic theory (lower taxes, reduced/repealling of regulation, contracting of private sector services, etc.) were heavily promoted and implemented in many developed and developing nations. The result was a series of economic failures, one after another, gradually increasing in intensity, severity, and scope until recently. Many major figures in conservative intelligentsia have either been discredited or, as was the case of Alan Greenspan, have publicly acknowledged fundamental errors in their theory and have renounced them.

Then there's social issues where often the conservative mantra of the day is the bigotry of history.

I would also add foreign policy and military issues, but what qualifies as "conservative" in that area is mainly limited to US politics and is fairly evenly divided between neo-conservative jingoism, libertarian isolationism, and pragmatic foreign engagement.

FuhrerVonZephyr:

Revnak:
And that reality has a bit of a liberal bias.

Dis

Olrod:
It's mostly because Reality has a Liberal bias.

Dat

The Gentleman:
Because reality has a well known liberal bias...

And some of doze

:v

Like the well known liberal reality of the free lunch.

Most liberals here are young. Some will when they get older and see the clear reality of life without the distortion of idealism will become more conservative.

And I'm sure this kind of rampant condescension has nothing to do with why the right wing is viewed with such disdain by anyone with a quarter of a brain.

Frankly I see this forum as Social Democrats/Social Liberals left, EU-Liberals/Democrats right. And Republicans..... somewhere off the charts over in crazyland. A place we'd rather not talk about but they keep popping up.

Awh man, I go to sleep and I miss this thread.
That's what I get for my weakness!

And OT: Honestly? Because young gamers tend to be nerds, who tend to be more liberal. And that we are not only a US site, but an international site, and in the EU, almost ANYTHING is more liberal than in the US.

And the fact that you seem to have issues grasping what "socialist" means can't help. No offense, but we have been over this in the last thread.

Becouse of Europe.
Here, let me demonstrate with a graph:

LEFT------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------RIGHT
_______EU_______EU__________EU_____US_______________US____________________US
______Left____Centre______Right___Left_____________Centre________________Right

See? Even the most rightwing party in europe about the same place as the american left.
Also the demographics of the users.

xDarc:
Seriously?

Check Alexa. We're awash with teens who use the site primarily from school. When I was a teen, I was in the cinci riots getting tear gassed at WTO protests.

Now I'm a 30 year old white male with a mortgage, go to work every day, pay taxes, and no one gives a rat's ass about me; and I'm thinking about voting for Mitt Romney. People change when they grow up.

If I had to tell my younger self off I'd know just what to say- idealism isn't going to pay your bills; oh wait you don't have any because you live with your parents. Guess you can afford to be idealistic, the rest of us have to work for a living and live in reality.

a really good example.

the younger people are the more liberal they tend to be and once they get older they tend to get more conservative in their views. as a gaming forum will mostly be visited by younger gamers it makes sense they would be more liberal.

recruit00:
Well, the ones I can name off the top of my head are

Xan Krieger
Xanthious
Hardcore_gamer
Gorfias
Heimholtz Wilson
Piffle (debatable)

It's the internet and specifically a game site so of course there will be more of a bias towards the left.

Why am I not on that list >:( I think it is a well known fact on here that I usually lean concervative on most things (thought how conservative depends)

OT: I had to guess, I would have to agree with others and say it has to do with age, location, and hobbies.

xDarc:
Seriously?

Now I'm a 30 year old white male with a mortgage, go to work every day, pay taxes, and no one gives a rat's ass about me; and I'm thinking about voting for Mitt Romney. People change when they grow up.

They do change. But thinking people change the same way would be a big assumption. I myself became more moderate over the years. Going from right wing to center right.

Charles_Martel:

Most liberals here are young. Some will when they get older and see the clear reality of life without the distortion of idealism will become more conservative.

I used to be pretty conservative then as I got older and matured I became much more liberal

OT: It's a gaming site and has many young people and Europeans so it is going to look much more liberal to American conservatives.

cahtush:
Becouse of Europe.
Here, let me demonstrate with a graph:

LEFT------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------RIGHT
_______EU_______EU__________EU_____US_______________US____________________US
______Left____Centre______Right___Left_____________Centre________________Right

See? Even the most rightwing party in europe about the same place as the american left.
Also the demographics of the users.

Well, perhaps not the most right wing party. I doubt the BNP or Golden Dawn would get on terribly well with Obama. But yeah, when a party specifically called The Conservative Party is to the left of a party considered liberal, something odd's going on.

How exactly is having a lot of liberal posters and liberal-ish topics a bias? It could lead to bias, sure, but it's not bias in and of itself.

How did this thread grow so big so fast without me noticing it?

Hardcore_gamer:
Seriously, like every other thread on the forum is something like "OMFG ZE EVIL CONSERVATIVE/RIGHT WING HAS DONE SOMETHING EVIL!!!!!".

UK: Conservative chancellor has completely lost the plot...
GOP Candidates: "Slavery was good" and "deport all muslims from America".
NEWS: Congressman calls evolution lie from "pit of hell"
Romney's Foreign Policy Speech, and The Virgninia Military Institute
tomahawk chop Scott brown rally
Maine Democrat Unfit For Office Because She Plays WoW...
GOP voter registration halted due to fraud scandal

Hardcore_gamer:
people who hate capitalism and would like to see it burn in hell.

75% seems to be in favor of capitalism.

Hardcore_gamer:
that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

You mean... me? I'm a conservative?

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