We've had a request to tidy up this board a little with all the election threads. As such, they will be locked in half an hour to give people time to use quotes to shift any ongoing conversations over to here.
As such, please don't start new election threads. If you wish to bring up a new topic in this thread which relates to the US election, that's absolutely fine. I'll post a link to this thread in all the current discussions that I find. I'm going to include the Puerto Rico discussion as well.
And one other thing, I plan to keep an eye on this as long as I'm up. Be nice to each other. I'm conscious that we risk some pretty violent arguments tossing the opposing sides in the one thread. Civility is key.
To recap my own question, from the Post Mortem thread:
thaluikhain: I've heard people saying the reason Romney lost was because he was too moderate, he should have been much more right wing.
I keep hearing that, but I really don't see how that is possible. Where did these "far right" votes go, if not to Romney? Certainly not to Obama. And I haven't seen a single third party that is further right than the Republicans. So where will these magical votes for being more right wing come from? How will they win the election, when every step to the right will just drive away moderate voters?
I was replying to another poster about the following: 1) We are on a fiscal dive off a cliff. Feels great going off (spending a lot) but lousy when you hit the rocks below, which can happen suddenly. 2) Republicans at least feign interest in fiscal responsibility. The Democrats, to my knowledge, have no plan to deal with oncoming insolvency. 3) On this forum, many state insolvency is no big deal. They are fine, shooting down Republican ideas to bring us on the path to solvency while they have no plans of their own.
If fiscal recklessness is OK, why not just have a 0% tax rate, spend like mad, and default on loans on a regular basis.
It is akin to asking, if the minimum wage is a good idea, why not make it $1,000 a second?
Fiscal recklessness is NOT OK. And I think we just voted for 4 more years of it.
Aris Khandr: To recap my own question, from the Post Mortem thread:
thaluikhain: I've heard people saying the reason Romney lost was because he was too moderate, he should have been much more right wing.
I keep hearing that, but I really don't see how that is possible. Where did these "far right" votes go, if not to Romney? Certainly not to Obama. And I haven't seen a single third party that is further right than the Republicans. So where will these magical votes for being more right wing come from? How will they win the election, when every step to the right will just drive away moderate voters?
It doesn't have to make logical sense to you or me it only has to placate those who live in the republican bubble who have been told for months that there was no way they could lose the election. Their worldview has been challenged by the result of this election and this is why you have the excuses such as this (along with Sandy, Christie etc) and the many falsehoods that they propagate such as everyone being dependent on welfare, the US going bankrupt etc. They eat these excuses up because it reinforces the things they have been told before and allows them to rationalise the loss into something that fits with these misguided and intellectually suspect views.
@Labyrinth: Fiiine. I'll be a bit nicer but after months of dealing with the more conservative members of the forum patiently this election and their responses to it have been gold that I do not want to miss.
Gorfias: I was replying to another poster about the following: 1) We are on a fiscal dive off a cliff. Feels great going off (spending a lot) but lousy when you hit the rocks below, which can happen suddenly. 2) Republicans at least feign interest in fiscal responsibility. The Democrats, to my knowledge, have no plan to deal with oncoming insolvency. 3) On this forum, many state insolvency is no big deal. They are fine, shooting down Republican ideas to bring us on the path to solvency while they have no plans of their own.
If fiscal recklessness is OK, why not just have a 0% tax rate, spend like mad, and default on loans on a regular basis.
It is akin to asking, if the minimum wage is a good idea, why not make it $1,000 a second?
Fiscal recklessness is NOT OK. And I think we just voted for 4 more years of it.
1. That's not what the fiscal cliff is. The fiscal cliff refers to the automatic cuts and ending of payroll tax breaks in January 2013 in government spending equal to around 1.5% of US-GDP immediately and totaling somewhere between 4 and 6 of GDP across calender year 2013. Our internal estimate puts it as damaging the US economy and lowering GDP by around -5% USGDP for the calender year.
2. The republicans do not feign interest in fiscal responsibility to anyone with an iota of economic education. comment edited.
3. THE US IS NOT GOING TO GO BANKRUPT OR BECOME INSOLVENT. This is the last time I will respond to anyone on this matter as it is delusional at best and purposefully misleading in an attempt to provoke an emotional response or outburst at worst.
Gorfias: I was replying to another poster about the following: 1) We are on a fiscal dive off a cliff. Feels great going off (spending a lot) but lousy when you hit the rocks below, which can happen suddenly. 2) Republicans at least feign interest in fiscal responsibility. The Democrats, to my knowledge, have no plan to deal with oncoming insolvency. 3) On this forum, many state insolvency is no big deal. They are fine, shooting down Republican ideas to bring us on the path to solvency while they have no plans of their own.
If fiscal recklessness is OK, why not just have a 0% tax rate, spend like mad, and default on loans on a regular basis.
It is akin to asking, if the minimum wage is a good idea, why not make it $1,000 a second?
Fiscal recklessness is NOT OK. And I think we just voted for 4 more years of it.
There are a few taxes that will kick in at the end of this year. Not only that, but cuts in military and other areas will also take place. If obama stands his ground, the bush tax cuts will expire and that will further reduce the deficit.
In fact, it was Romney who wanted to reduce taxes, cut spending anywhere but military and increase military spending. Democrats take the idea of fiscal responsibility and say it is a societal burden to pay for the services they receive. But they also believe that their should be programs to help those who can't help themselves.
Democrats strive for efficiency, a decent lifestyle at the bottom while still allowing improvement, and social responsibility. Your claim that they don't care about fiscal responsibility is invalid, as democrats have suggested for years ways to decrease teh deficit or remove it, but the republicans have just started yelling "No new taxes" and not compromising.
In fact, their ability to just repeatably shout "no" and to throw fits if they don't get their way completely is just like a child in terrible twos. In a modern society, there should exist some form of cooperation instead of just "my way or the highway". It is that policy that is increasing the deficit and it is that policy that is preventing our country from moving forward
Some poor chump named Eric Dondero: Express your hatred, shame, and outright disgust with anyone you know who voted Democrat
However, for me, I'm choosing another rather unique path; a personal boycott, if you will. Starting early this morning, I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt
I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted 'O'. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.
Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don't talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere's.
Have a neighbor who votes for Obama? You could take a crap on their lawn. Then again, probably not a good idea since it would be technically illegal to do this. But you could have your dog take care of business. Not your fault if he just happens to choose that particular spot.
And start your boycott of your Democrat friends and family today. Like this morning. First thing you can do, very easy, is to un-friend all Democrats from your Facebook account.
Wow, it's like a social version of Going Galt, and it inspires the exact same reaction in me: "DO IT, YOU IDIOTS. You will not be missed."
The whole post is a masterpiece of bitter, unhinged raving, and it amuses me mightily.
Gorfias: I was replying to another poster about the following: 1) We are on a fiscal dive off a cliff. Feels great going off (spending a lot) but lousy when you hit the rocks below, which can happen suddenly. 2) Republicans at least feign interest in fiscal responsibility. The Democrats, to my knowledge, have no plan to deal with oncoming insolvency. 3) On this forum, many state insolvency is no big deal. They are fine, shooting down Republican ideas to bring us on the path to solvency while they have no plans of their own.
If fiscal recklessness is OK, why not just have a 0% tax rate, spend like mad, and default on loans on a regular basis.
It is akin to asking, if the minimum wage is a good idea, why not make it $1,000 a second?
Fiscal recklessness is NOT OK. And I think we just voted for 4 more years of it.
You do know you can quote me cross-topic? You just have to copy and paste the text you get when clicking on the Quote button.
taciturnCandid puts it really well. Your goverment isn't only made of the ruling party. they still have to have a majority in congress to get anything through. The best plan doesn't help if it doesn't get approved. The blame for that lies on BOTH parties, not just the one that happens to have the president on it's side.
It isn't much different in austria sadly, parties promise a lot of stuff during elections, but in the end all the reform plans usually get delayed by constant arguing. Before you know it it's the next election and each party blames it on the other while starting the same spiel again.
If you want to change anything in politics you have to be willing to compromise. Sadly many people don't want any compromise or see that as a weakness.
Labyrinth: We've had a request to tidy up this board a little with all the election threads. As such, they will be locked in half an hour to give people time to use quotes to shift any ongoing conversations over to here.
As such, please don't start new election threads. If you wish to bring up a new topic in this thread which relates to the US election, that's absolutely fine. I'll post a link to this thread in all the current discussions that I find. I'm going to include the Puerto Rico discussion as well.
Is there anyway I can appeal for this thread be left open because it specifically dealt with a topic and had an ongoing conversation that remained positive and filled with information.
Labyrinth: We've had a request to tidy up this board a little with all the election threads. As such, they will be locked in half an hour to give people time to use quotes to shift any ongoing conversations over to here.
As such, please don't start new election threads. If you wish to bring up a new topic in this thread which relates to the US election, that's absolutely fine. I'll post a link to this thread in all the current discussions that I find. I'm going to include the Puerto Rico discussion as well.
Is there anyway I can appeal for this thread be left open because it specifically dealt with a topic and had an ongoing conversation that remained positive and filled with information.
From what I've read it seems sufficiently different, being not about the election. Hokay.
Some poor chump named Eric Dondero: Express your hatred, shame, and outright disgust with anyone you know who voted Democrat
However, for me, I'm choosing another rather unique path; a personal boycott, if you will. Starting early this morning, I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt
I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted 'O'. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.
Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don't talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere's.
Have a neighbor who votes for Obama? You could take a crap on their lawn. Then again, probably not a good idea since it would be technically illegal to do this. But you could have your dog take care of business. Not your fault if he just happens to choose that particular spot.
And start your boycott of your Democrat friends and family today. Like this morning. First thing you can do, very easy, is to un-friend all Democrats from your Facebook account.
Wow, it's like a social version of Going Galt, and it inspires the exact same reaction in me: "DO IT, YOU IDIOTS. You will not be missed."
The whole post is a masterpiece of bitter, unhinged raving, and it amuses me mightily.
Yes folks, throw your personal life into a complete shambles, wreck your marriage and your employment, all in the name of your political party! Surely they'll take care of not just your financial but also your personal and sexual needs.
This has got to be one of the most low key examples of stupidity I've ever seen on the net. It's placing, folks.
This thread is going to become a mess with five different discussions going on. Only topics that go on for ten pages do that normally and this thread does that from the get-go like a bathroom wall.
arbane: Wow, it's like a social version of Going Galt, and it inspires the exact same reaction in me: "DO IT, YOU IDIOTS. You will not be missed."
The whole post is a masterpiece of bitter, unhinged raving, and it amuses me mightily.
Just make sure they stay in place. We don't want them immigrating to the rest of the world.
And speaking of crazy, the Fl-18 house race, better known as Allan "f-cking commies" West's district has still yet to be called, but CNN reports his democratic opponent up by about 2,500 votes.
Seriously Florida, this is why you you are the synonym for "incompetent election administration."
Capcha: nut case. See, even Capcha sees West as crazy...
Some poor chump named Eric Dondero: Express your hatred, shame, and outright disgust with anyone you know who voted Democrat
However, for me, I'm choosing another rather unique path; a personal boycott, if you will. Starting early this morning, I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt
I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted 'O'. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.
Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don't talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere's.
Have a neighbor who votes for Obama? You could take a crap on their lawn. Then again, probably not a good idea since it would be technically illegal to do this. But you could have your dog take care of business. Not your fault if he just happens to choose that particular spot.
And start your boycott of your Democrat friends and family today. Like this morning. First thing you can do, very easy, is to un-friend all Democrats from your Facebook account.
Wow, it's like a social version of Going Galt, and it inspires the exact same reaction in me: "DO IT, YOU IDIOTS. You will not be missed."
The whole post is a masterpiece of bitter, unhinged raving, and it amuses me mightily.
Wow....
Idiots like this made me glad to leave the Republican Party. Its like they're a really loyal frat house in college and all their member's are doing poor, but instead of working harder themselves, they simply blame another frat for their misfortunes.
I can't see the Republican Party lasting in their current state, especially when it has people like this. It seems like the Republican Party is already starting to shake; with people claiming that Romney was either too conservative or not conservative enough, and with people saying they need to attract the Hispanic Vote or to continue down their current path. They're either gonna change or collapse.
lapan: You do know you can quote me cross-topic? You just have to copy and paste the text you get when clicking on the Quote button.
Not anymore that they're locked.
Labyrinth: Please continue this discussion in the stickied thread here. This thread will be locked in half an hour to allow for quote chains to be swapped over to the other thread.
Thank you for your co-operation.
Still possible, although it involves copying the post number like this:
[ quote="Labyrinth" post="528.393214.15892705"]Please continue this discussion in the stickied thread here. This thread will be locked in half an hour to allow for quote chains to be swapped over to the other thread.
Thank you for your co-operation.[/quote]
You can get the post number by copying the link you get when clicking on a post. Although i can see how some people would be to lazy for that. Still a nice thing to know ;)
Gorfias: Nor should you. Feel free to message me and take that back.
My anti-family gibe has nothing to do with gay marriage and everything to do with trying to replace the family with gigantic government. Conservatives opposed the 19th Amendment in part because they believed women would vote that government be a substitute husband.
Today, the left, not Republicans, favor a large government that promises women the moon. We have a record number of young men in prison.
Since I wasn't around in time to answer this before the other thread got locked let me put it here.
Firstly, I fully apologise for suggesting you were homophobic, as you have made it clear that is not the case.
Regarding your point about replacing families with gigantic government: citation needed. Cause, you know, living in a country whose Conservatives are further to the left than the Democrats (and yet are considered the furthest right major European party), I haven't noticed such a thing.
As for the point about a record number of young men in prison: this is absolutely an issue, but one for which both parties must take a share of the blame. The three strikes rule, the War on Drugs, limited assistance to disadvantaged people, lack of social mobility etc. are not exactly unique to one party or the other.
It's delicious watching those who live solely in the Republican bubble come apart at the seams.
I read this on Daily Kos and it seems like an appropriate question for our resident Republicans:
"So Mr/s Republican Neighbor, why were your sources so wrong about the election? Is there any other subject they were reporting to you?"
You can still deny Kenyesian economics and global warming (for now), but you can't deny you just lost the election, and by margins that make a lot of GOP bigshots look like utterly delusional who were basing their worldview on wishful thinking instead of actual facts. This would make a more introspective person wonder what ELSE they were wrong about...
2. The republicans do not feign interest in fiscal responsibility to anyone with an iota of economic education. comment edited.
Bob Dole was smeared with the term, "Tax Collector for the Welfare State" by Newt Gingrich, who later proposed that a requirement for a balanced budget be carved in stone.
3. THE US IS NOT GOING TO GO BANKRUPT OR BECOME INSOLVENT.
This does not appear to jibe with reality. The US is in big trouble. You can look it up. It is very easy.
But it still doesn't answer my question. If we can just keep spending like mad with no sense of responsibility, and then default on our loans, why not have 0% tax rates and just go wild?
My answer would be along the lines of, because wealth is not created by magic. Fiscal responsibility is important to fiscal health.
Damn. Republican pundits already talking about 2016. LOL! It's going to be a hilarious 4 years.
Link please. I can't wait to see what they can promise. I'm kinda like this guy (follows in Arbane link) without the threat of violence (more like, I'm resolved. I'm a slave. Get used to it.)
[quote="Some poor chump named Eric Dondero"]Express your hatred, shame, and outright disgust with anyone you know who voted Democrat .
Arbane: you have to understand: we've lost our country. It is dead. We're dead. We are no longer free. Lawlessness, racism, injustice, tyranny, abuse of power, the military used as a plaything in other peoples wars... slaves have to understand, that is just how it is. Just got to try to keep afloat while all the crap that's coming down lands.
I wonder how parents of kids used for social experiments in Boston and sent across town to distant schools back in the 70s handled it? I know Willie Horton's victims didn't do too well.
Freedom, or the illusion of it, was fun while it lasted.
USA, RIP 2012. I guess the Mayans were right, sort of.
But my Julia link was to point out that government is trying to step into women's lives in a way that can make socializing a man unnecessary: government is there to help with everything!
As for the point about a record number of young men in prison: this is absolutely an issue, but one for which both parties must take a share of the blame. The three strikes rule, the War on Drugs, limited assistance to disadvantaged people, lack of social mobility etc. are not exactly unique to one party or the other.
Agreed. I am not a root cause kind of guy. You kill, I want you dead. But WHY, now, are so many men not socialized, at war with society and in need of prison (which, themselves require reform).
I am personally against much of what you have a problem with (the biggest, 3 strikes. A punishment should fit the crime). But we have long had problems like limited assistance to the disadvantaged. These lock up rates are new and alarming.
You did not seem to read my post Gorfias. I expressly stated that those with an education in economics know that they do not even feign fiscal responsibility. You are entirely uneducated in this topic and display your lack of knowledge of it with pride. It also explains why you think they do.
Your lack of knowledge/education/willingness to leave the Republican bubble is also responsible for why you think the US is going to become insovent or bankrupt. I can't respond with how I feel about this because it will just get me suspended but needless to say you...
Coulter was talking about it on some rightwing radio show and were many of the others from what I heard.
Do you see what we have had to deal with every single thread by this and one other poster for months on end? We've tried patience and being nice. Refuting everything they've put up time and and time again and even just ignoring them and hoping they'll go away but they keep posting the same crap and we get warned/suspended/banned for calling them out on it.
This is really funny to me. In a sad way, but still. Especially since I consider the current mainstream of the Republican party to be the enemies of freedom, not the Democrats (not that they are champions of it, either, but still). It's interesting to see how different perspective changes everything, probably depending on what you value, on what you consider essential for freedom, such as rights to self-determination or equality of opportunity, which the Republicans are opposed to on numerous counts. But let me just repeat myself: Romney would've destroyed the economy quicky through wasteful spending and cutting income. Obama will let a recession happen more slowly. Simple as that.
2. The republicans do not feign interest in fiscal responsibility to anyone with an iota of economic education. comment edited.
Bob Dole was smeared with the term, "Tax Collector for the Welfare State" by Newt Gingrich, who later proposed that a requirement for a balanced budget be carved in stone.
3. THE US IS NOT GOING TO GO BANKRUPT OR BECOME INSOLVENT.
This does not appear to jibe with reality. The US is in big trouble. You can look it up. It is very easy.
But it still doesn't answer my question. If we can just keep spending like mad with no sense of responsibility, and then default on our loans, why not have 0% tax rates and just go wild?
My answer would be along the lines of, because wealth is not created by magic. Fiscal responsibility is important to fiscal health.
Damn. Republican pundits already talking about 2016. LOL! It's going to be a hilarious 4 years.
Link please. I can't wait to see what they can promise. I'm kinda like this guy (follows in Arbane link) without the threat of violence (more like, I'm resolved. I'm a slave. Get used to it.)
[quote="Some poor chump named Eric Dondero"]Express your hatred, shame, and outright disgust with anyone you know who voted Democrat .
Arbane: you have to understand: we've lost our country. It is dead. We're dead. We are no longer free. Lawlessness, racism, injustice, tyranny, abuse of power, the military used as a plaything in other peoples wars... slaves have to understand, that is just how it is. Just got to try to keep afloat while all the crap that's coming down lands.
I wonder how parents of kids used for social experiments in Boston and sent across town to distant schools back in the 70s handled it? I know Willie Horton's victims didn't do too well.
Freedom, or the illusion of it, was fun while it lasted.
USA, RIP 2012. I guess the Mayans were right, sort of.
. I don't think there is much of a difference between the two main presidential candidates in the USA. Barak Obama isn't socialist, if anything he's a liberal. BTW, liberals are the ones that push for reform and endorse free-markets and capitalism. If you're think about it, Conservatives nowadays oppose political reform and are just fine with capitalism. I don't see the difference between the two major candidates in terms of the economical direction of the USA. I see a slight difference in terms of social issues such as gay marriage, legalization of certain drugs, abortions, etc. I see Obama as not even a progressive liberal here because the feds do crack down on weed dispensaries and fuck over state rights whenever they want even though Obama promised not to do that.
To be honest, if you really think the USA is doomed, then it would have been doomed either way. Romney wouldn't have made those extreme measure and plans because they are too far in the right to be realistic. The same way Obama wasn't as progressive and liberal as he was shown to be in the '08 elections is the same way Romney seemed like a right wing fiscal conservative. It was all pandering to voters, but once you're in office there's little that can stop you.
This reporting is quite disappointing. It's clearly not white-hot, it's orange to red with rage. Also, it's going the Social Conservative route again, which is very disappointing to hear. I was hoping for them to put that shit aside, focus on the things that matter and stop needlessly inhibiting progress on such issues. The possible choice for vicepresidential candidate isn't encouraging, either.
EDIT:
The Gentleman: All we're waiting for is depression and acceptance
Well, Gorfias appears to have those down right now; only trouble is, he's currently stuck on those stages without the resolution that's necessary.
It's delicious watching those who live solely in the Republican bubble come apart at the seams.
You lost because you were the party of Rape, Self Deportation, Racism and Fiscal Idiocy. That's the only post mortem you need.
Keep posting you two(Xanthious+Gorfias). I've even taken you off ignore for the next few days to watch the continued meltdown.
No we lost because the Liberal Party insists on focusing government dependence, redistribution of wealth and a side of murdering babies. Liberals have a voting majority dependent on the government at this point so it's easy to see why they would win.
The Liberal political strategy is simply to give away other people's money until you have enough people accepting handouts to win an election. I guess we should congratulate the left for being able to bribe enough Americans into giving Obama another 4 years in office because he sure the fuck didn't do anything to earn another 4 years.
Arbane: you have to understand: we've lost our country. It is dead. We're dead. We are no longer free. Lawlessness, racism, injustice, tyranny, abuse of power, the military used as a plaything in other peoples wars... slaves have to understand, that is just how it is. Just got to try to keep afloat while all the crap that's coming down lands.
I wonder how parents of kids used for social experiments in Boston and sent across town to distant schools back in the 70s handled it? I know Willie Horton's victims didn't do too well.
Freedom, or the illusion of it, was fun while it lasted.
USA, RIP 2012. I guess the Mayans were right, sort of.
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Seriously, the world did not ended Tuesday. What ended was the fictional reality that American conservatives had tried to build in direct opposition to actual reality, where an alternate history of their country exists and everything that they disagree with just isn't American, despite all evidence to the contrary. It was not something that could have lasted. It was a nostalgia trip to a place that never existed, framed by a fictional mythology and wishful thinking with no basis in reality or reason.
I suspect that much of what we outside the conservative bubble are seeing looking in is them coming to grips with the reality in front of them. They spent the good part of a decade living in a false reality where everything they believed was fact and nothing they did was wrong.
Hopefully, what we are seeing is the stages of grief magnified over an entire demographic. Rove's flip out over Ohio being called for Obama was denial. The rage over the internet and elsewhere is anger. Pundits stating "we should have gotten Marco Rubio as VP to outreach to Latinos" is bargaining. All we're waiting for is depression and acceptance.
And to our conservative friends who have found acceptance...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
It's delicious watching those who live solely in the Republican bubble come apart at the seams.
You lost because you were the party of Rape, Self Deportation, Racism and Fiscal Idiocy. That's the only post mortem you need.
Keep posting you two(Xanthious+Gorfias). I've even taken you off ignore for the next few days to watch the continued meltdown.
No we lost because the Liberal Party insists on focusing government dependence, redistribution of wealth and a side of murdering babies. Liberals have a voting majority dependent on the government at this point so it's easy to see why they would win.
The Liberal political strategy is simply to give away other people's money until you have enough people accepting handouts to win an election. I guess we should congratulate the left for being able to bribe enough Americans into giving Obama another 4 years in office because he sure the fuck didn't do anything to earn another 4 years.
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Oh god, you're so funny. Hey, lets talk to mister evidence and doctor facts, the will tell you it was Bush who signd into effect a bill that changed food stamps and created an ever growing number of people who enter the program! Yes, a Republican president started the whole deal! Therefore, the Republicans were the ones who were content in giving bread to the masses as long as they vote Republican!
It's delicious watching those who live solely in the Republican bubble come apart at the seams.
You lost because you were the party of Rape, Self Deportation, Racism and Fiscal Idiocy. That's the only post mortem you need.
Keep posting you two(Xanthious+Gorfias). I've even taken you off ignore for the next few days to watch the continued meltdown.
No we lost because the Liberal Party is the party of government dependence, redistribution of wealth and a side of murdering babies. Liberals have a voting majority dependent on the government at this point so it's easy to see why they would win.
The Liberal political strategy is simply to give away other people's money until you have enough people accepting handouts to win an election. I guess we should congratulate the left for being able to bribe enough Americans into giving Obama another 4 years in office.
SALT FOR THE SALT GOD. TEARS FOR THE TEAR POOL.
Your party systematically alienated every single voter group that was not SWM and was punished for it at the polls. You live in the bubble and cannot accept that which makes your posts more delicious though it will probably kill me from NaCl overdose.
If your assumptions and worldview weren't so based on falsehoods I'd ask you how you think the richest counties in America voted. Actually I shall anyway. How do you think the ten richest counties in America voted in the presidential election Xanthious and if you think they went to Obama how do you square that away with your assumption that it was the dirt-poors only who got him into office?
The Gentleman: Pundits stating "we should have gotten Marco Rubio as VP to outreach to Latinos" is bargaining. All we're waiting for is depression and acceptance.
What I find interesting about the Rubio discussion is the implication from said discussions that Latino/minority voters don't vote due to policy proposals etc but because of the race of the candidate. It will be something to watch over the next few years whether they come to realise the shallow view they hold of this demographic changes or whether come 2016 they are still running the same policies but hoping that a change of face will make them more palatable.
But it still doesn't answer my question. If we can just keep spending like mad with no sense of responsibility, and then default on our loans, why not have 0% tax rates and just go wild?
Because Bush couldn't get a third term as President.
Arbane: you have to understand: we've lost our country. It is dead. We're dead. We are no longer free. Lawlessness, racism, injustice, tyranny, abuse of power, the military used as a plaything in other peoples wars... slaves have to understand, that is just how it is. Just got to try to keep afloat while all the crap that's coming down lands.
Boy, it sure is a good thing Bush didn't do any of that!
(And bookmarked. I'll be dragging this up in 2-3 years to make fun of you some more, assuming neither of us has been banned by then.)
So, what countries have you applied to for refugee status? I hope you manage to escape before you get executed by the Death Panel or forced to gay-marry three Haitian refugees just to keep your job in the salt mines.
Gorfias, just try to remember. Us Libruls survived eight years of Bush, you can survive eight years of Obama.
Gorfias: I wonder how parents of kids used for social experiments in Boston and sent across town to distant schools back in the 70s handled it? I know Willie Horton's victims didn't do too well.
Gorf, you know that thing where the Republicans keep insisting they are Not Racist?
Your choice of dog-whistles here is not convincing me of that assertion.
We've had a request to tidy up this board a little with all the election threads. As such, they will be locked in half an hour to give people time to use quotes to shift any ongoing conversations over to here.
As such, please don't start new election threads. If you wish to bring up a new topic in this thread which relates to the US election, that's absolutely fine. I'll post a link to this thread in all the current discussions that I find. I'm going to include the Puerto Rico discussion as well.