So can somebody here sum up the issue in Egypt to be easier to understand?

So can somebody here sum up the issue in Egypt to be easier to understand?

I was in front of the white house when I saw the protest. But had to leave.

Can somebody help explain this better on what the issue is?

I remember a few months back, Egypt had a revoke. But not much I heard about it since then.

Broadly speaking, it's the usual situation when the old government is overthrown, the winning side is made up of various factions who are prepared to fight to be in power and who don't really want to work together without a common enemy.

Basically - Egypt had a quasi-socialist dictatorship run by the military. Revolt ousted them and a conservative was elected president with religious conservatives being in the majority for the constitutional assembly. The new conservative president has been shown to be grabbing excessive amounts of power and this has brought the opposition to the streets in protest.

The initial revolt against the old dictatorship was launched mainly on account of bleak economic prospects, though there's been an undercurrent of anti-Israeli sentiment that was suppressed by the military faction on account of repeated failures in previous attacks on Israel.

From what I've heard: The old dictator rulers were overthrown. Through democracy a new leader was elected. However now that leader is basically trying to turn himself into a dictator again giving himself far more power than a democratic leader should have.

Bunch of people in a country are poor and hungry. Typically for the region they have attitudes to religion, politics, heavy handed police state and women's rights that seems quite backwards to us. But that doesn't stop us from pretending sometimes that their backwards hateful views are somehow noble due to a backlash against elitism and imperialism. In reality we don't want to have a realistic view of their local politics because it is too complex and depresses us because it doesn't conform to the cheesy fantasies we learned from movies and comic books. Also our crazy global money system is most likely directly responsible for making them poor and hungry.

That pretty much sums up the mood in my opinion.

Grandcrusader:
So can somebody here sum up the issue in Egypt to be easier to understand?

I was in front of the white house when I saw the protest. But had to leave.

Can somebody help explain this better on what the issue is?

I remember a few months back, Egypt had a revoke. But not much I heard about it since then.

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Remember the "Arab Spring"? Well, Egypt had a long period of massive protests against their presidential dictatorship. This time, the dictator was brought down from power with very little violence (People still died in the protests, but the army refused to open fire on protesters). After all of this, the country had elections to determine the next President. They had two rounds - one round to determine the two candidates with the most votes, and the second round to determine which of the two would become president. The Muslim Brotherhood's representative won. This brought a lot of unrest, because the results were very near - 52-48, in favor of Morsi. The Parliament was dissolved, and so for the past few months there was no legislative body in Egypt. Egypt had to write a new constitution (because apparently Nassar wasn't good enough) so the a committee headed by representatives of all parties would participate. However because of the lack of a Parliament, Morsi was able to write the constitution with just his party members - an Islamic party. Since the move would have been stopped by the judicial system (Egypt's high court). To thwart any attempts of stopping him from writing the constitution in the values of the Muslim Brotherhood party (Which as you recall barely won the elections) he issued a decree which basically preemptively stopped the Judiciary from the ability to stop the committee that would compile the constitution. This in turn lead to a massive wave of protests, but this time there were protests from both sides - against Morsi, and in favor. Right now Morsi had stopped the decree allowing the Judiciary to intervene, however he will use a Referendum about the constitution so that he could bypass the Judiciary again, but from a different side.

Well about three weeks ago Mohammed Morsi, the current president from the Muslim Brotherhood, issued a decree that put his actions above the ruling of the courts. This was to keep the courts from disbanding the constitutional convention that is going on and force them to start over again (this has already happened once). Then the Islamists in the convention rushed through a constitution that is supposed to be voted on by the people this week.

Obviously many people are angry about this, but not really over the inclusion of religion in the constitution (as many Western sources are putting it), but more at the way the Muslim Brotherhood is conducting itself. Morsi has been calling those who oppose him spies and traitors and opposed to democratic progress, and has been using his power rather heavy-handedly. It's also important to realize that he only won with about 51% of the vote, so it's not like he speaks for a huge majority and the opposition has MANY people, not just a few.

Right now he has walked back most of the decree he made, and offered to have changes made to the constitution this week, but refuses to change the date of the referendum. The opposition continue to criticize him on rushing it through, saying he wants to cement the Brotherhood's power.

I'll explain it in a way that makes sense:

So during the uprising against Muburak, the Muslim Brotherhood promised not to get involved in politics as Muburak quit. Like a month after, the Muslim Brotherhood creates a political party, and since the MB is the most orginized, it was obvious that they were gonna dominate the elections, with the formally-against-democracy Religious group, the Salafi's, who have also formed a political party. The elections for Parliament come and both the MB and the Salafists campaign to people waiting right outside the ballot boxes with flyers, pamphlets, and campaign slogans. (There were also minor voter fraud issues, but it was actually quite a calm election).

The Liberal Groups, the ones who actually rose against Muburak, and Christians, who sided with the protestors early, were a minority in the Parliament, and the parliament chose who would work on forming the new Constitution. As the Constitutional Panel was formed, about 80% of it was Islamists, who were obviously gonna form a more Islamic Society, even if it was a Democratic one. All of the Secular and Christians in the panel eventually left it because it was basically a big joke to them: They're voices weren't heard, and when they were they were shot down by the dominant Islamists.

In Spring this year, all of the parties ran a presidential candidate. Since none of them could have won a majority, the rules stated that the 2 people with the largest amounts of votes would go on a runoff election. The two people were Mursi from the MB party and the former Head of the Air Force under Muburak for the Secular camp. Since most people hated the regime, Mursi won the election, but barely.

In July/August, a major court in Egypt found that the MB and Salafists handing out pamphlets and flyers was against the Electoral law, and so the Parliament was disbanded. Because the Parliament formed the panel, the court was also going to judge the Constitutional Panel, which more then likely was going to be found illegitimate as well.

That all changed, however, after the Gaza/Israel peace negotiations. Mursi issued a presidential decree saying that his laws were above Judging, that judges couldn't disband that Constitutional panel, and that whatever decree he made was the law of the land. (It also let him sack a Prosecutor from the Muburak era and it also let him put Muburak on trial again)

This is when the protests started, as they viewed it as a grab of near dictatorial powers. Many of the courts went on strike, except for the main court which was still gonna judge the Constitutional panel, regardless of Mursi's decree. However, the Panel, expecting this, voted on a Draft Constitution with lightening speed (The Main Speaker of the Panel forced the panel to vote on an amendment again because it didn't get enough yays, and he basically said "If we can't get the yays, then we have to do this again, so I'm gonna ask for votes again"). The Draft is somewhat Democratic (Setting term limits for presidents and parliement), but it is also very dictatorish as well (It makes it illegal to "Denounce any religion or person", it doesn't protect women or minority rights, it makes Shariah Law the law of the land, and every law has to be reviewed by a specific mosque, which can make the law invalid).

So there we go. That is why Egypt is in revolt right now. Recently Mursi rescinded his decree in hopes of getting the protests to stop, but the Secular, Liberal Groups are calling for more Protests because the Draft Constitution is still up for vote.

Grandcrusader:
So can somebody here sum up the issue in Egypt to be easier to understand?

The quickest answer is that liberals toppled the dictator Mubarak, lost the subsequent elections to the Islamists (possibly because the liberals were so disorganised), and are now resorting to demonstrations to restrain the president because they aren't happy with him either.

Short version, there's two disputes going on, one small ad hoc one, and a broader one. Both are somewhat connected.

Ad hoc:
Current president/semi-dictator Morsi issue a decree that gave him a lot of power and basically eliminated the influence of the courts, judges and other balancing forces. This is viewed as religious traditionalists seizing power.

Under the pressure of massive protests, Morsi recently withdrew the decree.


The broader issue:
Extremist/conservative Muslims and liberal Muslims plus religious minorities are having a conflict about how the new Egyptian constitution, laws and country should look like.
The conservatives want sharia, the archaic islamic law, enforced almost 1:1 in a rather extremist manner. The liberal Muslims don't want this, and religious minorities fear oppression.
Currently, the committee writing the Egyptian constitution is dominated by traditionalists and extremists. Moderates have seats in it, but they're a minority, or a token member as some critics would have it.

The president decided to make a major power grab (I think), offering himself a lot of new powers not outlined in the constitution of the nation, pissing a lot of people off. I am not sure of that, to many conflicting information and it is hard to get true information from the area. I am not sure if it had anything to do with the utter failure of the recent "war" with Israel (has the Arab nations surrendered yet? I haven't heard anything about the conflict in a little while), if the "power grab" is just the excuse, or if something else entirely is going on.

Fucked up is how I would describe it

 

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