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TheIronRuler:
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Everyones growth is slowly declining it's called an economical recession...
BTW they've updated the projected growth rate for 2013 to 3.5%(IMF 3.0%, Central Bank 2.8%), not bad for a recession ;)
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/israel/indicators
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/indicators

BTW this is with out the natural gas which should start flowing in 2014 and 15...

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TheIronRuler:
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Everyones growth is slowly declining it's called an economical recession...
BTW they've updated the projected growth rate for 2013 to 3.5%(IMF 3.0%, Central Bank 2.8%), not bad for a recession ;)
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/israel/indicators
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/indicators

BTW this is with out the natural gas which should start flowing in 2014 and 15...

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The 2014/15 gas is only predictions, the actual process might take longer and we could see it flowing later than expected.

It still won't deliver us from electric company reforms. You heard they're cutting benefits for workers? No more free electricity from next year onward! This is a step in the right direction after the company pretty much fucked the government over and accumulated a large debt. As a part of this settlement we will see some interesting new reforms there.

EDIT: Shit, I went off-topic. Lets end this little chat.

TheIronRuler:

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TheIronRuler:
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Everyones growth is slowly declining it's called an economical recession...
BTW they've updated the projected growth rate for 2013 to 3.5%(IMF 3.0%, Central Bank 2.8%), not bad for a recession ;)
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/israel/indicators
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/indicators

BTW this is with out the natural gas which should start flowing in 2014 and 15...

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The 2014/15 gas is only predictions, the actual process might take longer and we could see it flowing later than expected.

It still won't deliver us from electric company reforms. You heard they're cutting benefits for workers? No more free electricity from next year onward! This is a step in the right direction after the company pretty much fucked the government over and accumulated a large debt. As a part of this settlement we will see some interesting new reforms there.

EDIT: Shit, I went off-topic. Lets end this little chat.

It's does not matter when the gas will flow, or even if it will ever flow, it's calculated economics, the value of the gas is already calculated in the income.
Also what do you care about the electrical company? i swear people like to complain, it can accumulate debts, heck it can go out of business and it wont effect you.
If you're complaining about prices then it has nothing to do with the electrical company, the government sets the pricing, and it's not bad it's cheaper than any European country by a large margin and the same as most states in the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing

One question I have on the topic, is what is Likud running for? You mentioned the merger, but not much else. Why they originally split wouldn't be bad to know either, if it's not too much trouble.

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TheIronRuler:

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Everyones growth is slowly declining it's called an economical recession...
BTW they've updated the projected growth rate for 2013 to 3.5%(IMF 3.0%, Central Bank 2.8%), not bad for a recession ;)
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/israel/indicators
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/indicators

BTW this is with out the natural gas which should start flowing in 2014 and 15...

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The 2014/15 gas is only predictions, the actual process might take longer and we could see it flowing later than expected.

It still won't deliver us from electric company reforms. You heard they're cutting benefits for workers? No more free electricity from next year onward! This is a step in the right direction after the company pretty much fucked the government over and accumulated a large debt. As a part of this settlement we will see some interesting new reforms there.

EDIT: Shit, I went off-topic. Lets end this little chat.

It's does not matter when the gas will flow, or even if it will ever flow, it's calculated economics, the value of the gas is already calculated in the income.
Also what do you care about the electrical company? i swear people like to complain, it can accumulate debts, heck it can go out of business and it wont effect you.
If you're complaining about prices then it has nothing to do with the electrical company, the government sets the pricing, and it's not bad it's cheaper than any European country by a large margin and the same as most states in the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing

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I don't care much for what happens there, I only wish that there would be more transparency in their dealings since they're a public company. This fuck-up allows the government to force the company to succumb to some of their demands. Previous attempts of the same nature were obliterated.
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Xeorm:
One question I have on the topic, is what is Likud running for? You mentioned the merger, but not much else. Why they originally split wouldn't be bad to know either, if it's not too much trouble.

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The Likud is running on two things - (1)continue the status-quo and (2)creating a strong coalition base (So that minority parties won't have too much power as a "balance" party) = a strong leader = a strong Israel.

Israel, Our Home was created by an ex-Likud member for a different public sector - but still having similar ideas. They target new immigrants (especially from the ex-soviet states) and the general secular right-wing public. Even though Likud was formed from Liberal Capitalists (among other movements/parties), it was still religious in its nature. Israel Our Home filled that niche rather nicely and it's quite similar to Likud in many of its views. A few notes - they work towards having the citizens of the country declare their 'loyalty' to the country (this was basically just bashing the Arab public and their representatives) and in the case of a Palestinian state to also include majority arab territories in Israel inside the new Palestinian state (so that Jewish settlements in the west bank can be annexed into Israel in return).

If we're talking about oil, we have to remember peak oil. "Peak oil is the point in time when the maximum rate of petroleum extraction is reached, after which the rate of production is expected to enter terminal decline."

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6gftDLAQFxBUGl3WmJSMG5qSDA/edit

You know what I'll just leave the link to an hour long movie here. It can be over-dramatic, but it's an interesting look on oil and infrastructure for the United States. It's only slightly related though.

Transparency for energy companies is important. Otherwise there could be a blackout without the public's knowledge. Knowing how important energy is a blackout could be catastrophic.

Trying to base our future entirely on gas is even slightly unrealistic. Gas can't replace oil. More energy efficiency will have to be adapted.

TheIronRuler:
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OP:
Interesting. I have a few questions. How right is Jewish Home? Is "There is a Future" truly that incompetent? Do they lack political acumen and weight or are they just really naive?
How do the coalitions normally look like?

Frission:
If we're talking about oil, we have to remember peak oil. "Peak oil is the point in time when the maximum rate of petroleum extraction is reached, after which the rate of production is expected to enter terminal decline."

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6gftDLAQFxBUGl3WmJSMG5qSDA/edit

You know what I'll just leave the link to an hour long movie here. It can be over-dramatic, but it's an interesting look on oil and infrastructure for the United States. It's only slightly related though.

Transparency for energy companies is important. Otherwise there could be a blackout without the public's knowledge. Knowing how important energy is a blackout could be catastrophic.

Trying to base our future entirely on gas is even slightly unrealistic. Gas can't replace oil. More energy efficiency will have to be adapted.

TheIronRuler:
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OP:
Interesting. I have a few questions. How right is Jewish Home? Is "There is a Future" truly that incompetent? Do they lack political acumen and weight or are they just really naive?
How do the coalitions normally look like?

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Almost all of Israel's energy production plants are able to work with natural gas but we recently had to depend on Coal because the pipeline from Egypt was being destroyed time and time again by local militants in the Sinai Peninsula (where the pipeline goes through).

Jewish Home supports the settlements project wholeheartedly. Their official stance on homosexuals is mostly "We don't like it, we don't want to see it glorified, do it in your own privacy, the state will not support it(gay marriage)". They're capitalists. They are also running together with an even more extreme group that went in the direction of keeping Israel wholly Jewish (but that had changed over the years to something more subtle). Their official plan/idea for the west bank is to annex area C and then withdraw from areas A&B, giving them complete and total autonomy or even statehood. No for return of Palestinian refugees, no for dividing Jerusalem, the whole shebang. This party is like Likud, but twenty years ago... and whiter.

"There is a Future" isn't THAT incompetent, I think I exaggerated a bit. Their whole idea is "change" and changing the systems of government and other mechanisms. Change in the diplomatic scene, change in internal politics, etc. I disrespected them because they're not running on any principles besides changing the current system, which is why I called them a 'wind' party. They're saying "This, this and this is wrong! Pick us so we will fix it!"... you do know that after they get their seat they're not really obliged to follow through with their promises, do you? That's politics for you.

Coalitions are usually either right-oriented or left-oriented. More often than not it depends on the view of parties on the economy (socialism vs. capitalism), foreign affairs and internal affairs. In many cases some political bribes need to be made to get a party that might not be 'naturally' in the right or in the left to join a coalition. For example, if a party runs on improving education, and the one building a coalition needs them to complete it, he can offer them the position of minister of education and other perks so they can work on what they planned on doing inside the government.

Frission:

Interesting. I have a few questions. How right is Jewish Home? Is "There is a Future" truly that incompetent? Do they lack political acumen and weight or are they just really naive?
How do the coalitions normally look like?

Right wing compared to what? is the Likud a right wing party? in Israel yes, in US or the EU no, it's just as left leaning than the Democratic party in the US on most subject, heck it's more left leaning than most centric EU parties.
You need to understand what is(or well was) the Israeli left, the Israeli left was a socialist block, the labor party used to have a different name - The workers party of Israel.
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David Ben-Gurion, Levi Eshkol, Moshe Sharet, Golda Meir and every one else from the large Israeli leftist block(MPAI, MAPAM, and various unions) were socialist, not vanilla kind socialist like the republicans claim Obama is, but real socialists membership card Soviet Congress attending socialists.
In 1968 when the Labor party was founded as a union of MPAI and other smaller parties it changed it's logo a bit
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But it was still a socialist party, its a member of the Socialists Union of Europe and of the Socialist International
For the most part the "right wing" parties in Israel especially parties like the Likud are centric(left leaning) parties when you compare them to global politics.

Recent Polls:
Likud & Israel our home - 34
Labor - 18
Jewish Home - 15
Shas - 11
The movement (Tzipi Livni) - 10
Arab Parties - 10 (Raam-Taal - 4, Balad - 2, Hadash - 4)
There is a future - 10
United Torah Judaism - 6
Meretz - 4
Kadima - 2

Comments - Likud is dropping in the polls and Benjamin's media campaigns only backfire at him. He first attacked the left-center oriented parties by basically calling them clueless while the big bad wolf (Iran's nuclear program) is about to strike. The second campaign was an attack on the Jewish Home's chairman that was quickly seeping away votes from the big block, calling him out on his gaffe in live tv (he said if he were a soldier and ordered to forcefully evict people from their homes he would ask his commander to excuse him, even if it entails going to jail for refusing orders). It backfired, hard. The third attempt now is a campaign that says "When Netanyahu talks, the world listens" in which they show congress applaud his speeches, etc. etc. ... The campaign had proved to fail while more voters leave this new block. It went from 42 to 34 seats since their unification, and it looks like it will continue more.

United Torah Judaism is a Haredi Ashkenazi party (different from the supposedly haredi Sephardic party Shas). They are both parties that look out for the welfare of their public, plain and simple. Other demands are keeping the monopoly on Jewish marriage, Cosher food, etc. in the hands of their type of Judaism.

Meretz won't be making a comeback this elections...

Kadima barely goes through the minimum vote count. In different polls it either gets 2 or 3 seats, or it doesn't even get into parliament.

News Update: Less than two weeks till the elections:
Likud&Israel our home - 35
Labor - 18
Jewish Home - 14
Shas - 12
There is a future - 10
The movement - 9
United Torah Judaism - 6
Hadash - 4
Raam Taal - 4
Balad - 4
Meretz - 4

News update: The noose is getting tighter on the Prime Minister's neck. News outlets that are against him (There is only one newspaper that is in his favor, while another one is seemingly neutral. The rest keep banging on about how he's bad and eeeevil) try to sully his name and reputation and paint him in a bad light. Ex-officials come out of the woodworks to say how he did naughty things and all guns are out in this campaign... Dear god, some people really want to see him away from office.
Labor party chairman announced she will not go into a coalition with him. The movement and There is a future still haven't committed to not going into his coalition.

The PM can still make a coalition (albeit a narrow one) with the right wing - adding Jewish Home, Shas, and United Tora Judaism. It comes down to which government he wants to see and what he could and couldn't do with the coalition he makes. With Jewish home there is no fucking way in hell he could continue tearing down illegal settlements or try to roll back with the whole process. With the Haredi parties there is no fucking way he could force this public to go out to the job market and enlist. With that, he could try and replace them with The movement and There is a future, but there still won't be enough seats to form a strong coalition. With Labor officially gone (although that could change after the elections, because... politicians, they lie.), chances for a central oriented coalition are fading away. Before you ask - there is no fucking way Meretz will come to the coalition, and don't get me started on the Arab parties or hadash.

Predictions - The next government will be headed by Benjamin Netanyahu, with either special interest groups in the coalition - either the orthodox religious or the settlers. That is, unless, the polls are lying (probably) and the left˘er parties will be stronger than expected on the expense of the other right wing parties. There is a little chance for a Labor headed coalition (That could also include Meretz and Hadash), but the polls could be lying.

Sounds like the conservative religious parties are going to get majority as it stands now.

I mean, Likud, Israel our home, Shas and Jewish Home (those were the major conservative & religious parties, right?) hold 61 out 120 seats in that poll.

Seems like Likud and Israel Our Home have lost many seats to that Jewish Home party. Biggest losers seems to be Kadima. Most polls listed have them anywhere between 0-2 seats depending on the time it was polled.

Blablahb:
Sounds like the conservative religious parties are going to get majority as it stands now.

I mean, Likud, Israel our home, Shas and Jewish Home (those were the major conservative & religious parties, right?) hold 61 out 120 seats in that poll.

Seems like Likud and Israel Our Home have lost many seats to that Jewish Home party. Biggest losers seems to be Kadima. Most polls listed have them anywhere between 0-2 seats depending on the time it was polled.

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Yep. As I said in my introduction, Jewish Home had a face-lift and now looks more attractive than intimidating. Its new chairman did this turnaround and is actually drawing votes away from the haredi parties and the center/right. He's polling astonishingly well among young voters (people who vote for the first or second time).

Likud wanted to be a large party so they won't have to get many coalition partners or so they could have a broad government to pass reforms. There's also the issue of the dreaded next bi-yearly budget which will include cuts in spending and potential tax increases to try and balance it. Plus, Netanyahu wanted to keep his job so he cemented an alliance with Lieberman. There's a chance he will be convicted which will either throw him out of Parliament or just deny him the position of minister... it's still uncertain.

The polls often lie, but this is the situation today. Last elections Kadima was polled at around 21 seats the week before the elections and after the elections they had 28, so a lot can change.

Guys, we got our samples, and I am shocked.
These are the samples, so it could vary by a few points here and there, but final results will be tomorrow:
Likud&Israel,Our Home: 31
There is a future: 18-19
Labor: 17
Shas: 13-11
Jewish Home: 12
The Movement: 6-7
Meretz: 6-7
United Torah Judaism : 6
Hadash - 3-5
Raam-Taal - 4
Balad - 2

These are rough estimates. There are still surplus agreements to take into account, so it could change.

It looks like the right wing block had equalized with the center&left.

Special mentions: Yair Lapid is king. He triumphed over all other smaller parties and now is able to make Netanyahu his bitch if he so pleases.
Kadima failed at the polls. I say good riddance. Screw you Olmert.
Meretz doubled in strength. It looks like the Zionist left is getting rejuvenated.
The Arab parties are weakening. Balad barely got into parliament.

Now what's left is building the coalitions.
The good news - Netanyahu could no longer build a coalition of only right-wing partners. He has to use Yair Lapid's party (There's a future), but Yair "demands" to leave the settlers out (We will see...). He also doesn't want the Haredi parties unless they agree to give up what they have been fighting for (internal issues).
Labor party will probably lead the opposition.

Hebrew site. It will get updated when the votes are all checked and counted:
http://www.gov.il/FirstGov/files/election2013before.htm

Sounds like a complicated outcome, even if preventing a conservative religious coalition is probably a very good thing.

I recently read in a Danish magazine that Israeli politics (and voting) has become more or less tribal can someone confirm that?

Gorr:
I recently read in a Danish magazine that Israeli politics (and voting) has become more or less tribal can someone confirm that?

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Define "recently" and "tribal", because I can't answer it otherwise. I might answer a different question.

Wow, "there is a future" has the second most seats. Guess the prediction that they would be gone in the wind was way off, right? (Joking. It might die in the next election cycle, who knows?)

The inability to have a right wing only gridlock is good. Let's just hope that it doesn't mean instead that you'll see what you see in the U.S, where the "sides" block each other. Would that be possible?

News here reports based on various exit polls that 'the right' (whatever they mean by that) has a small majority of 61/120 seats, and 'the left' comes to 59 seats... Obviously they mean Likud and Yishrael Beiteinu by the right, but for the rest it's a little unclear.

Yesh Atid/There is a future is the obvious big winner, and rightly so if you look at their agenda of abolishing special privileges of ultra-orthodox Jews.

It's a bit worrying though, apparently Jewish Home went from 3 to 12 seats. None too familiar with them, but before the news outlet I read it on uses the words 'extremely right wing party', something's really going on. They don't even characterise the fringe libertarian party we had last elections (and got 0 seats) as that.

Frission:
Wow, "there is a future has the second" most seats. Guess the prediction that they would be gone in the wind was way off, right? (Joking. It might die in the next election cycle, who knows?)

The inability to have a right wing only gridlock is good. Let's just hope that it doesn't mean instead that you'll see what you see in the U.S, where the "sides" block each other. Would that be possible?

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It won't happen because the parties are fairly splintered. If things go downhill and no coalition forms, we go to elections again.

Hehe, it depends. It might make or break Yair Lapid and his party, depending on how he will act in the negotiations to start a coalition and in government.
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Blablahb:
News here reports based on various exit polls that 'the right' (whatever they mean by that) has a small majority of 61/120 seats, and 'the left' comes to 59 seats... Obviously they mean Likud and Yishrael Beiteinu by the right, but for the rest it's a little unclear.

Yesh Atid/There is a future is the obvious big winner, and rightly so if you look at their agenda of abolishing special privileges of ultra-orthodox Jews.

It's a bit worrying though, apparently Jewish Home went from 3 to 12 seats. None too familiar with them, but before the news outlet I read it on uses the words 'extremely right wing party', something's really going on. They don't even characterise the fringe libertarian party we had last elections (and got 0 seats) as that.

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They group "the left" with the Arab parties... that's not the case. There's a future is a center party.

Jewish Home was 3 because it was run by megalomaniac idiots. The original party had many disagreements among each other, and it splintered onto different groups. This 'new' Jewish Home is actually that one party with 3 seats and another party mashed together (7 seats). They ran on a different campaign and overall had a face-lift.

It's extremely right wing as in it doesn't recognize a need for a Palestinian state and it supports further building in Judea&Sumeria. That, and it isn't the greatest separation of church and state advocate.

TheIronRuler:

Gorr:
I recently read in a Danish magazine that Israeli politics (and voting) has become more or less tribal can someone confirm that?

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Define "recently" and "tribal", because I can't answer it otherwise. I might answer a different question.

"Recently" as in this month, although it has been an evolving process (according to the magazine. And tribal as in ethnicity or rather where people immigrated from.

Gorr:

TheIronRuler:

Gorr:
I recently read in a Danish magazine that Israeli politics (and voting) has become more or less tribal can someone confirm that?

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Define "recently" and "tribal", because I can't answer it otherwise. I might answer a different question.

"Recently" as in this month, although it has been an evolving process (according to the magazine. And tribal as in ethnicity or rather where people immigrated from.

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Not recently, no... there are parties that target a specific population. This isn't new in the slightest. Shas whipped out the racism card before the elections and it rebounded, smacking in their faces. Highlights are " for every five Sephardic unemployed men there is one Ashkenazi unemployed man" - Really? Then I'm glad to see that all Ethiopian and Russian Jews have a job! They also bashed some of the Russian community in their propaganda.
But for the most part the connection between ethnicity and party lines isn't that strong. Israel our home is (and used to be last elections) the rallying flag for a lot of the Russian speaking community. So yes, it can happen, but it's not that commonplace for each and every party. It has more to do with where you live and what socio-economic statues you're in. Bonus points for whatever your parents/friends are voting. My friend voted Likud because his dad voted Likud.
*shrugs*
Go figure.

This is ~99.5% of the votes, excluding some soldiers and seamen:
This is fucking ridiculous...
Likud&Israel our home - 31
There's a future - 19
Labor - 15
Shas - 11
Jewish home - 11
United Torah Judaism - 7 (surprise, bitches!)
The movement - 6
Meretz - 6
Raam-Tael - 5
Hadash - 4
Balad - 3
Kadima - 2

Some notes: Kadima is barely going past the barrier. The soldier's votes can tank it...
Arab parties remain with their strength.
There's a future bombed the elections and became the second largest party by a significant margin - It's even larger than the Likud's Israel our home.
Meretz doubled in size.
Shas suffered from divide from the outside, while United Torah Judaism surprised with a 7th seat.

TheIronRuler:
This is ~99.5% of the votes, excluding some soldiers and seamen:
This is fucking ridiculous...
Likud&Israel our home - 31
There's a future - 19
Labor - 15
Shas - 11
Jewish home - 11
United Torah Judaism - 7 (surprise, bitches!)
The movement - 6
Meretz - 6
Raam-Tael - 5
Hadash - 4
Balad - 3
Kadima - 2

Some notes: Kadima is barely going past the barrier. The soldier's votes can tank it...
Arab parties remain with their strength.
There's a future bombed the elections and became the second largest party by a significant margin - It's even larger than the Likud's Israel our home.
Meretz doubled in size.
Shas suffered from divide from the outside, while United Torah Judaism surprised with a 7th seat.

Thanks to CNN and Haaret'z we'll have a retarded clown that did not even finish high school as a foreign minister, GJ! voters. I'm almost glad I can't vote any more, I just hope i get my UK papers in time to vote no for them staying in the EU, if they can screw up Israel from outside, i just might screw them up from inside..

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TheIronRuler:
This is ~99.5% of the votes, excluding some soldiers and seamen:
This is fucking ridiculous...
Likud&Israel our home - 31
There's a future - 19
Labor - 15
Shas - 11
Jewish home - 11
United Torah Judaism - 7 (surprise, bitches!)
The movement - 6
Meretz - 6
Raam-Tael - 5
Hadash - 4
Balad - 3
Kadima - 2

Some notes: Kadima is barely going past the barrier. The soldier's votes can tank it...
Arab parties remain with their strength.
There's a future bombed the elections and became the second largest party by a significant margin - It's even larger than the Likud's Israel our home.
Meretz doubled in size.
Shas suffered from divide from the outside, while United Torah Judaism surprised with a 7th seat.

Thanks to CNN and Haaret'z we'll have a retarded clown that did not even finish high school as a foreign minister, GJ! voters. I'm almost glad I can't vote any more, I just hope i get my UK papers in time to vote no for them staying in the EU, if they can screw up Israel from outside, i just might screw them up from inside..

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(I didn't vote for him... all of my family went for Likud, and my friends voted Labor.)
Calm yourself down, Yair Lapid won't be minister of foreign affairs. I'm guessing he will go for interior, treasury and education, among other things. Yisrael Beiyeino can still disengage and leave if it loses its premier foreign affairs position, and what will you do next? Likud will only have 20 seats. At the moment the Likud is baffled. They don't know what to do - they have to include outside non-right wing partners, but the only ones who would come along are Lapid, the movement and maybe Labor. On a bright side, both the movement and there's a future ask for a start of the negotiations with palestinian leadership (Fatah, Hamas, who knows? As long as Israel negotiates for "peace")

It's like the Europeans are bored of what to do and the action in Mali isn't enough. Don't you have your own problems to deal with?

TheIronRuler:

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TheIronRuler:
This is ~99.5% of the votes, excluding some soldiers and seamen:
This is fucking ridiculous...
Likud&Israel our home - 31
There's a future - 19
Labor - 15
Shas - 11
Jewish home - 11
United Torah Judaism - 7 (surprise, bitches!)
The movement - 6
Meretz - 6
Raam-Tael - 5
Hadash - 4
Balad - 3
Kadima - 2

Some notes: Kadima is barely going past the barrier. The soldier's votes can tank it...
Arab parties remain with their strength.
There's a future bombed the elections and became the second largest party by a significant margin - It's even larger than the Likud's Israel our home.
Meretz doubled in size.
Shas suffered from divide from the outside, while United Torah Judaism surprised with a 7th seat.

Thanks to CNN and Haaret'z we'll have a retarded clown that did not even finish high school as a foreign minister, GJ! voters. I'm almost glad I can't vote any more, I just hope i get my UK papers in time to vote no for them staying in the EU, if they can screw up Israel from outside, i just might screw them up from inside..

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(I didn't vote for him... all of my family went for Likud, and my friends voted Labor.)
Calm yourself down, Yair Lapid won't be minister of foreign affairs. I'm guessing he will go for interior, treasury and education, among other things. Yisrael Beiyeino can still disengage and leave if it loses its premier foreign affairs position, and what will you do next? Likud will only have 20 seats. At the moment the Likud is baffled. They don't know what to do - they have to include outside non-right wing partners, but the only ones who would come along are Lapid, the movement and maybe Labor. On a bright side, both the movement and there's a future ask for a start of the negotiations with palestinian leadership (Fatah, Hamas, who knows? As long as Israel negotiates for "peace")

It's like the Europeans are bored of what to do and the action in Mali isn't enough. Don't you have your own problems to deal with?

In a normal country that guy will not get accepted as an intern to serve coffee in any public office.
Him as any minister is a disaster not only for Israel, but for statesmanship as a principle, say what you want about "Bibi" he's the only career statesman that Israel is got right now, he's spent his entire adult life in public service and the fact that he needs to compete with impotent clowns is mind boggling..

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TheIronRuler:

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Thanks to CNN and Haaret'z we'll have a retarded clown that did not even finish high school as a foreign minister, GJ! voters. I'm almost glad I can't vote any more, I just hope i get my UK papers in time to vote no for them staying in the EU, if they can screw up Israel from outside, i just might screw them up from inside..

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(I didn't vote for him... all of my family went for Likud, and my friends voted Labor.)
Calm yourself down, Yair Lapid won't be minister of foreign affairs. I'm guessing he will go for interior, treasury and education, among other things. Yisrael Beiyeino can still disengage and leave if it loses its premier foreign affairs position, and what will you do next? Likud will only have 20 seats. At the moment the Likud is baffled. They don't know what to do - they have to include outside non-right wing partners, but the only ones who would come along are Lapid, the movement and maybe Labor. On a bright side, both the movement and there's a future ask for a start of the negotiations with palestinian leadership (Fatah, Hamas, who knows? As long as Israel negotiates for "peace")

It's like the Europeans are bored of what to do and the action in Mali isn't enough. Don't you have your own problems to deal with?

In a normal country that guy will not get accepted as an intern to serve coffee in any public office.
Him as any minister is a disaster not only for Israel, but for statesmanship as a principle, say what you want about "Bibi" he's the only career statesman that Israel is got right now, he's spent his entire adult life in public service and the fact that he needs to compete with impotent clowns is mind boggling..

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This shit happens when your outside allies are pressuring the government and denouncing its actions, while the left is either willing to sell its own mother for 'peace' or completely retarded (Labor's economical plan includes adding ~150 billion shekels to expenses in the budget.)
The others remained static - Shas was a tad weakened by two other parties who took away nearly 2 seats but didn't get over the minimum 2%. United Torah Judaism also stayed in its place, give or take. The arabs also remained as they were. The movement flopped in the last two weeks, and it flopped HARD.
Jewish home is an interesting surprise.
Whatever was left of Kadima was split to the other parties - the movement and there's a future (they're 25 seats together), and Kadima (with 2 seats).

So yes, when the ruling party and the alternative left are either being hammered by outside forces and shamed on the public ring or acting retarded (respectively), people go to the other alternatives... namely Jewish Home, the movement and there's a future.

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Netanyahu is competent? You're giving him way too much credit. I'll wait and see. "There is a future" is only going on the platform of "change" which is not good, (at least from what I've been told) but I also don't have the Iron Ruler's pessimism about "There is a future". Then again, I'm not Israeli.

Yair Lapid is a journalist. That can be helpful. At least the right will have to play nice with the center.

TheIronRuler:
/snip

One question. Was there really a boycott of Islamists? That could explain the downturn in those parties.

http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient/article/2013/01/23/jordanie-un-vote-pour-des-legislatives-boude-par-les-islamistes_1820971_3218.html

Trying to read up on the political climate.

Frission:

Verbatim:
/snip

Netanyahu is competent? You're giving him way too much credit. I'll wait and see. "There is a future" is only going on the platform of "change" which is not good, (at least from what I've been told) but I also don't have the Iron Ruler's pessimism about "There is a future".

Yair Lapid is a journalist. That can be helpful. At least the right will have to play nice with the center.

Then again, I'm not Israeli.

TheIronRuler:
/snip

One question. Was there really a boycott of Islamists? That could explain the downturn in those parties.

http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient/article/2013/01/23/jordanie-un-vote-pour-des-legislatives-boude-par-les-islamistes_1820971_3218.html

Trying to read up on the political climate.

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Yair Lapid's main issues are mostly internal. Changing the governmental system in Israel, forcing haredi Jews to enlist to the IDF (or at the very least volunteer for civil service), cutting benefits for haredi Jews... that's about it, I think. Oh, and about external issues, he supports going to negotiations no-matter what.

Hold on a minute, what does Jordan has to do with anything here?

News reports Lapid doesn't feel for a collective leftwing boycot of Netanyahu. Smart move I'd say. He probably realises that putting such things on the table would lessen his party's influence. If he sides against the conservative or right wing coalition partners there's no majority government, if he sides with the right after negotiating tough, he gets a lot of what he wants I'd think.

TheIronRuler:

Hold on a minute, what does Jordan has to do with anything here?

It certainly complicates things, that's all I'm saying. It certainly makes negotiations that much more difficult. On the other hand, it makes relying entirely on the military a bit more risky. I could have phrased it in a way which would have made more sense, sorry.

Blablahb:
News reports Lapid doesn't feel for a collective leftwing boycot of Netanyahu. Smart move I'd say. He probably realises that putting such things on the table would lessen his party's influence. If he sides against the conservative or right wing coalition partners there's no majority government, if he sides with the right after negotiating tough, he gets a lot of what he wants I'd think.

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It's fiction, that's why he refused a leftwing boycott. I said before that the left couldn't make a government, so what will it do? "Hire" the Haredi parties. That's why he refused to side with the Labor party.

TheIronRuler:

Blablahb:
News reports Lapid doesn't feel for a collective leftwing boycot of Netanyahu. Smart move I'd say. He probably realises that putting such things on the table would lessen his party's influence. If he sides against the conservative or right wing coalition partners there's no majority government, if he sides with the right after negotiating tough, he gets a lot of what he wants I'd think.

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It's fiction, that's why he refused a leftwing boycott. I said before that the left couldn't make a government, so what will it do? "Hire" the Haredi parties. That's why he refused to side with the Labor party.

Doesn't he intend to make the Haredi Jews join the IDF and cut some of their benefits?

How does he intend to "hire" them?

Frission:

TheIronRuler:

Hold on a minute, what does Jordan has to do with anything here?

It certainly complicates things, that's all I'm saying. It certainly makes negotiations that much more difficult. On the other hand, it makes relying entirely on the military a bit more risky. I could have phrased it in a way which would have made more sense, sorry.

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Again, woot? This is Jordan. What does Jordan has to do with it? Maybe you meant it because Jordan and the USA were the main 'neutral' players when helping to negotiate between palestinian leadership and Israel?
Either way, I don't think the Islamists will pull it off, but regardless, it will be interesting to watch.

Frission:

TheIronRuler:

Blablahb:
News reports Lapid doesn't feel for a collective leftwing boycot of Netanyahu. Smart move I'd say. He probably realises that putting such things on the table would lessen his party's influence. If he sides against the conservative or right wing coalition partners there's no majority government, if he sides with the right after negotiating tough, he gets a lot of what he wants I'd think.

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It's fiction, that's why he refused a leftwing boycott. I said before that the left couldn't make a government, so what will it do? "Hire" the Haredi parties. That's why he refused to side with the Labor party.

Doesn't he intend to make the Haredi Jews join the IDF and cutting benefits?

How does he intend to "hire" them?

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Not he, the Labor party. The haredi parties have a tendency of taking political bribes and joining whatever government that suits them best. Their red line is Jerusalem and the internal status-quo, for the most part.

Frission:
[quote="Verbatim" post="528.397180.16361450"]/snip

Netanyahu is competent? You're giving him way too much credit. I'll wait and see. "There is a future" is only going on the platform of "change" which is not good, (at least from what I've been told) but I also don't have the Iron Ruler's pessimism about "There is a future". Then again, I'm not Israeli.

Yair Lapid is a journalist. That can be helpful. At least the right will have to play nice with the center.

Yes Netanyahu is a very accomplished statesman, sadly he's not the best politician.
Yair Lapid is not a journalist, he's an actor(and a bad one) and a morning/night talk show host. He didn't do a single peace of real journalism in his life.
I'm paying 1,000,000,000,000$ and 59 cents to who ever resurrects Abba Eben....

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