The Republican Party - ???

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Mr.Mattress:

cthulhuspawn82:
This is why I hate the two party system and the way that every political idea must belong to one party or the other. I see many fiscally conservative ideas as majorly beneficial to our country, but nobody will accept these ideas because they are associated with a party that says crap like this. Nobody supports cutting spending because that ideology is associated with a party that doesn't believe in meteors of evolution.

Agreed, this is why I left the Republican Party and joined the Libertarian Party. The Libertarian Party is pretty much the smart version of the Republican Party.

It's only a matter of time though; either the Republican Party is going to die or their going to open up a book and start learning things.

"The Liberatarian movement - Killing The New Deal, one election at a time." That's how I see it. Banking collapse lead to a recession in the USA, which paved a path to a socialist president... It was fun reading about his work.

If you're a Libertarian, there's the issue of current wealth distribution that needs to be addressed because certain people have been feeding off the broken system for decades now. Their wealth was amassed by exploiting the system. They need to be dismantled somehow to kill their monopoly over different industries and markets. I don't see a way this could happen.

Bentusi16:

cthulhuspawn82:
This is why I hate the two party system and the way that every political idea must belong to one party or the other. I see many fiscally conservative ideas as majorly beneficial to our country, but nobody will accept these ideas because they are associated with a party that says crap like this. Nobody supports cutting spending because that ideology is associated with a party that doesn't believe in meteors of evolution.

I know how it is man :( Fiscal conservatism is considered to be automatically linked to social conservatism; I've been told by other people that I cannot possibly be a social liberal but a fiscal conservative.

It doesn't help when you vote for the kinds of politicians who claim to be fiscal conservatives but who's first bills are anti-abortion bills, and then systematically rail against a government deficit but refuse to do anything about it such as raising taxes or cutting defense, and then pursue policies which are more likely to exacerbate your economic circumstances, making addressing your deficit worse.

If you don't want to be associated with guys who think science is nonsense, stop voting for them.

The Gentleman:

Bentusi16:

cthulhuspawn82:
This is why I hate the two party system and the way that every political idea must belong to one party or the other. I see many fiscally conservative ideas as majorly beneficial to our country, but nobody will accept these ideas because they are associated with a party that says crap like this. Nobody supports cutting spending because that ideology is associated with a party that doesn't believe in meteors of evolution.

I know how it is man :( Fiscal conservatism is considered to be automatically linked to social conservatism; I've been told by other people that I cannot possibly be a social liberal but a fiscal conservative.

It doesn't help when you vote for the kinds of politicians who claim to be fiscal conservatives but who's first bills are anti-abortion bills, and then systematically rail against a government deficit but refuse to do anything about it such as raising taxes or cutting defense, and then pursue policies which are more likely to exacerbate your economic circumstances, making addressing your deficit worse.

If you don't want to be associated with guys who think science is nonsense, stop voting for them.

I haven't voted for any of them; my believes are fiscal conservatism and social liberalism; if someone doesn't espouse my beliefs on a political level then I'm not going to vote for them, and I'm not going to compromise myself by voting for 'the lesser of two evils'. I'm not going to vote for someone who espouses economic or social views that run directly contrary to my own.

The point that was being made was that FISCAL CONSERVATISM is automatically being associated with Republicans, who are SOCIALLY CONSERVATIVE and tend to be all over the place when it comes to fiscal conservatism.

Basically you just demonstrated my point. Which is fiscal conservatism =/= republican.

Glasgow:

"The Liberatarian movement - Killing The New Deal, one election at a time." That's how I see it. Banking collapse lead to a recession in the USA, which paved a path to a socialist president... It was fun reading about his work.

If you're a Libertarian, there's the issue of current wealth distribution that needs to be addressed because certain people have been feeding off the broken system for decades now. Their wealth was amassed by exploiting the system. They need to be dismantled somehow to kill their monopoly over different industries and markets. I don't see a way this could happen.

I agree; the New Deal has been screwed over to the point it just can't work anymore, but it would be completely inhumane and even monstrous to just drop everyone off the system without some sort of replacement/weening process. That's why I'm in favor of a Public Workers Program that gives them a job for 2 years, and then helps people find Private Sector work in their field. Yes, I know that isn't exactly Libertarian, but it is more Libertarian then the current system.

Mr.Mattress:

Glasgow:

"The Liberatarian movement - Killing The New Deal, one election at a time." That's how I see it. Banking collapse lead to a recession in the USA, which paved a path to a socialist president... It was fun reading about his work.

If you're a Libertarian, there's the issue of current wealth distribution that needs to be addressed because certain people have been feeding off the broken system for decades now. Their wealth was amassed by exploiting the system. They need to be dismantled somehow to kill their monopoly over different industries and markets. I don't see a way this could happen.

I agree; the New Deal has been screwed over to the point it just can't work anymore, but it would be completely inhumane and even monstrous to just drop everyone off the system without some sort of replacement/weening process. That's why I'm in favor of a Public Workers Program that gives them a job for 2 years, and then helps people find Private Sector work in their field. Yes, I know that isn't exactly Libertarian, but it is more Libertarian then the current system.

That's a neat little replacement, but I do wonder what will the government offer as jobs except for its bureaucracy.

Bentusi16:
The point that was being made was that FISCAL CONSERVATISM is automatically being associated with Republicans, who are SOCIALLY CONSERVATIVE and tend to be all over the place when it comes to fiscal conservatism.

Funny, moderate republicans tend to insist their party is all over the spectrum socially, but always fiscally conservative.

The Republican party USED to be the party of business, and limited government.
Now...not so much.

There was once a time where you'd elect a R-Government to properly make money, and then have a D-Government to properly spend that money.
Now...not so much.

The Republican party, a whole, has turned into a joke.
It's full of XTRMEME (O YAH!) Christians that would LOVE the Taliban, if only they were following the 'right' god and didn't attack us.

Because of this they have filled their ranks with education hating, science ignorant, fools that make ME pro-choice.

Realitycrash:
Yes, that makes a fair amount of sense, but I don't really think this attitude is wide-spread enough in the party to be considered 'Republican' yet. Conservative values, both social and economical? Sure. But 'disbelief in meteors'?

No, not "disbelief in meteors" specifically (especially considering that first half of the OP is apparently based on a satire; making the second, real half all the sadder). But "distrust in science", "antiintellectualism" and the like? I'd say it's not a defining aspect of the Republican party as a whole but certainly an important one. They make a strategy out of it, too, with people like Palin or Santorum (and those are just two high-profile people off the top of my head).

Come on, it can't have spread that far so that the average Republican voter actually endorses this.

I don't think the Republican party and the average Republican voter are equivalent, no. Hell, while Bentusi16 said that he didn't vote for these guys, what he said in this thread is not a sentiment that's all that rare among Republican voters, I think. Just like with the Democrats, a lot of people vote for whom they perceive to be "the lesser evil", that doesn't mean they like or are like the Republicans on every issue.

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