Well THAT will end well...(Armed March On Washington)

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Full story can be found at:
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/05/adam-kokesh-plans-armed-march-on-washington-for-july-4-88468.html
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/07/washington-gun-march-protest/2142469/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/protest-group-plans-july-4-march-on-washington-with-loaded-rifles/2013/05/07/59b8e392-b727-11e2-aa9e-a02b765ff0ea_story.html
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/03/a_march_on_washington_with_loaded_rifles/

The articles aren't long, so please by all means check the full story. The gist, however, is that former talk radio host Adam Kokesh is organizing an open carry march on Washington D.C. for the Fourth of July to "put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny". And by open carry, they do explicitly mean with loaded guns - which are not permitted in D.C. - slung across their backs, which they intend to take across Memorial Bridge and on a route passing by the Capitol building, the Supreme Court and the White House.

Kokesh insists this is intended to be a peaceful demonstration wherein physical resistance to the march will be met with the group "peacefully [turning] back, having shown that free people are not welcome in Washington". Kokesh also maintains that as this is intended as an act of civil disobedience they do not have a permit for such a demonstration, nor will they seek one. As of right now, the facebook page for the group has almost 2500 people declaring their intent to be a part of the march and just over 2200 others who are listed as 'maybe attending'.

Now, call me crazy, but this just strikes me as a recipe for disaster. Kokesh's statements non-withstanding, it only takes one idiot to make another 'shot heard round the world' and turn this into a tragedy.

Update: Kokesh was arrested during a "Smoke Down Prohibition" rally. As of this writing, the details remain somewhat sparse. Many sources say that he is charged with resisting arrest. Court documents, however, state the charge against him as more akin to obstruction of justice[1]. Story can be read at the following:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/350392
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/350400 (follow-up to the prior link)
http://www.thedailychronic.net/2013/18002/philly-police-arrest-marijuana-activists-at-peaceful-demonstration/
http://www.freedomisgreen.com/marijuana-activists-arrested-at-liberty-bell-protest/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/21/adam-kokesh-arrested-video_n_3308644.html (only source I've found so far that includes the court document)
http://www.ibtimes.com/adam-kokesh-arrested-philadelphia-during-smoke-down-prohibition-rally-conspiracy-theories-surround

[1] The document claims he "forcibly assaulted, resisted, opposed, impeded and interfered with officers and employees of the United States, that is, uniformed National Park Service Rangers, while they were engaged in, and on account of, the performance of official duties"

Marching with a mob of 10 000 armed civilians towards key government buildings? Kind of reminds me of the March on Berlin and Rome.
A very dangerous idea indeed.

"put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny"

What will a march in America like this do? Shouldn't they go to a country that is actually intimidated and forced to cower under a tyrannical ruler?

Also the irony of protesting against intimidation, yet doing a march with loaded weapons is staggering.

Well, I wouldn't exactly call it the wisest way to go about it, I can't say I don't sympathize with him a bit. Lets just hope no one in that march is dumb enough to shoot someone.

This won't end well.

Adam Kokesh, you're not a new age hero sticking it to "The Man". You are not.

generals3:
Marching with a mob of 10 000 armed civilians towards key government buildings?

But it's a peaceful march! With loaded openly carried weapons I suppose. I'm not sure why I have a bad feeling about this.

Makes me wonder why they think this is a good idea to do?

How does this sound like a good idea? If anything it's the gun carriers who are engaging in an intimidation tactic.

EDIT: They have the right to demonstrate.

This is going to make the riots in England look like a picnic in the garden. An armed mob of 10,000 marching on the capital has never gone well, ever.

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If anyone has a story they want to bury, wait till the 4th of July.

Why are you all saying it will turn ugly?

If anything I expect everyone to be on their very best behavior at the armed march.

It's the fact they're marching against such a stupid thing. Tyranny in America? PLEASE. Maybe if you're a muslim or a teacher.

They should be allowed to do it, but they will probably be stopped before they can cross the bridge.

I can't recall how many pictures I've seen of Black Panthers walking around with guns in cities, but it's a lot. Can you imagine what it means; As racist as the 1960s were, Black Panthers were still able to exercise their 2nd amendment rights- what does that say about 2013? What does that say about the police state that does not exist as people understand the definition?

I understand where Kokesh is coming from. It was pretty shocking to watch so many people in the Boston area just roll over on command, saying sure, you can search my house without a warrant and then throw me out without an opportunity to put my shoes on or get my insulin.

Somebody needs to stand up to people who want to legislate everyone's rights away. If they get rid of the 2nd amendment, what's to stop them from taking the 1st?

I think most people just don't care. They don't care if they ban all the guns, regulate speech, make everyone live in government issued boxes and work construction jobs where 20 guys patch one pothole- like in Player Piano- so long as they are left alone and they aren't bothered. They must not care.

I read the comments on the Salon article and they were atrocious.

What the hell happened in the past 20 years?

Rage Against the Machine; "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me!" ... To "Yes, we can."

It's like the Right is the New left. The left used to be against the state, and now because they put Obama's face on it they love it. I didn't buy it. I was on the left, I was a demonstrator, I was at WTO/TABD protests in the late 90's and early 2000s... seriously I am so turned around.

How did I get out here all by myself? I wonder what the people I used to roll with 15 years ago are into now, the kind of guys who used to scream US NAVY OUT OF VIEQUES! I wonder if they're happy about all this, chanting along, yes, we can.

World's pretty messed up.

xDarc:
They should be allowed to do it, but they will probably be stopped before they can cross the bridge.

I can't recall how many pictures I've seen of Black Panthers walking around with guns in cities, but it's a lot. Can you imagine what it means; As racist as the 1960s were, Black Panthers were still able to exercise their 2nd amendment rights- what does that say about 2013? What does that say about the police state that does not exist as people understand the definition?

I understand where Kokesh is coming from. It was pretty shocking to watch so many people in the Boston area just roll over on command, saying sure, you can search my house without a warrant and then throw me out without an opportunity to put my shoes on or get my insulin.

Somebody needs to stand up to people who want to legislate everyone's rights away. If they get rid of the 2nd amendment, what's to stop them from taking the 1st?

I think most people just don't care. They don't care if they ban all the guns, regulate speech, make everyone live in government issued boxes and work construction jobs where 20 guys patch one pothole- like in Player Piano- so long as they are left alone and they aren't bothered. They must not care.

I read the comments on the Salon article and they were atrocious.

What the hell happened in the past 20 years?

Rage Against the Machine; "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me!" ... To "Yes, we can."

It's like the Right is the New left. The left used to be against the state, and now because they put Obama's face on it they love it. I didn't buy it. I was on the left, I was a demonstrator, I was at WTO/TABD protests in the late 90's and early 2000s... seriously I am so turned around.

How did I get out here all by myself? I wonder what the people I used to roll with 15 years ago are into now, the kind of guys who used to scream US NAVY OUT OF VIEQUES! I wonder if they're happy about all this, chanting along, yes, we can.

World's pretty messed up.

Mobs can turn violent pretty quickly; if just one idiot fires a shot, a lot of people are going to die for no good reason.

I just can't see this as anything but a recipe for disaster, even if I understand where Kokesh is coming from.

I wish I was there. It would be really fun to watch what happens from the sidelines, but the odds of someone opening fire after riot control or swat or both fire a gas canister, and the fact it's 10000 people is a tad too high.

xDarc:
They should be allowed to do it, but they will probably be stopped before they can cross the bridge.

I can't recall how many pictures I've seen of Black Panthers walking around with guns in cities, but it's a lot. Can you imagine what it means; As racist as the 1960s were, Black Panthers were still able to exercise their 2nd amendment rights- what does that say about 2013? What does that say about the police state that does not exist as people understand the definition?

I understand where Kokesh is coming from. It was pretty shocking to watch so many people in the Boston area just roll over on command, saying sure, you can search my house without a warrant and then throw me out without an opportunity to put my shoes on or get my insulin.

Somebody needs to stand up to people who want to legislate everyone's rights away. If they get rid of the 2nd amendment, what's to stop them from taking the 1st?

I think most people just don't care. They don't care if they ban all the guns, regulate speech, make everyone live in government issued boxes and work construction jobs where 20 guys patch one pothole- like in Player Piano- so long as they are left alone and they aren't bothered. They must not care.

I read the comments on the Salon article and they were atrocious.

What the hell happened in the past 20 years?

Rage Against the Machine; "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me!" ... To "Yes, we can."

It's like the Right is the New left. The left used to be against the state, and now because they put Obama's face on it they love it. I didn't buy it. I was on the left, I was a demonstrator, I was at WTO/TABD protests in the late 90's and early 2000s... seriously I am so turned around.

How did I get out here all by myself? I wonder what the people I used to roll with 15 years ago are into now, the kind of guys who used to scream US NAVY OUT OF VIEQUES! I wonder if they're happy about all this, chanting along, yes, we can.

World's pretty messed up.

The Black panthers are the basically the African American KKK.

xDarc:
They should be allowed to do it, but they will probably be stopped before they can cross the bridge.

I can't recall how many pictures I've seen of Black Panthers walking around with guns in cities, but it's a lot. Can you imagine what it means; As racist as the 1960s were, Black Panthers were still able to exercise their 2nd amendment rights- what does that say about 2013? What does that say about the police state that does not exist as people understand the definition?

I understand where Kokesh is coming from. It was pretty shocking to watch so many people in the Boston area just roll over on command, saying sure, you can search my house without a warrant and then throw me out without an opportunity to put my shoes on or get my insulin.

Somebody needs to stand up to people who want to legislate everyone's rights away. If they get rid of the 2nd amendment, what's to stop them from taking the 1st?

I think most people just don't care. They don't care if they ban all the guns, regulate speech, make everyone live in government issued boxes and work construction jobs where 20 guys patch one pothole- like in Player Piano- so long as they are left alone and they aren't bothered. They must not care.

I read the comments on the Salon article and they were atrocious.

What the hell happened in the past 20 years?

Rage Against the Machine; "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me!" ... To "Yes, we can."

It's like the Right is the New left. The left used to be against the state, and now because they put Obama's face on it they love it. I didn't buy it. I was on the left, I was a demonstrator, I was at WTO/TABD protests in the late 90's and early 2000s... seriously I am so turned around.

How did I get out here all by myself? I wonder what the people I used to roll with 15 years ago are into now, the kind of guys who used to scream US NAVY OUT OF VIEQUES! I wonder if they're happy about all this, chanting along, yes, we can.

World's pretty messed up.

I totally agree they won't get past the bridge. Like Bill O'Reilly told me personally, Barack HUESSIN Obama will bomb them all with an unmanned attack drone before they can do anything like wake the sheeple from his tyranny. Afterwards, Nancy Pelosi will use the incident as an excuse to repeal every amendment, and declare Obama dictator of a new Islamist Facist Communist Socialist state.

Hopefully, they can make it far enough to show that our country is in the grip of the worst dictator in the world. North Korea has nothing on us. Mozambique is a bastion of freedom by comparison. I mean, I'm surprised I'm allowed to type this before the thought police that Obama signed into law along with mandatory abortion of Christians and forced gay marriage haven't arrested me for this blasphemy yet.

NameIsRobertPaulson:
I totally agree they won't get past the bridge. Like Bill O'Reilly told me personally, Barack HUESSIN Obama will bomb them all with an unmanned attack drone before they can do anything like wake the sheeple from his tyranny. Afterwards, Nancy Pelosi will use the incident as an excuse to repeal every amendment, and declare Obama dictator of a new Islamist Facist Communist Socialist state.

Hopefully, they can make it far enough to show that our country is in the grip of the worst dictator in the world. North Korea has nothing on us. Mozambique is a bastion of freedom by comparison. I mean, I'm surprised I'm allowed to type this before the thought police that Obama signed into law along with mandatory abortion of Christians and forced gay marriage haven't arrested me for this blasphemy yet.

You laugh now, but that's what they'll be claiming on the 5th if new laws are called for as a response to the deaths the day before.

I expect this to end in horrible, horrible, horrible violence. Twenty bucks says the first shot is fired by the marchers, or at the very least they coax and threaten the police into firing.

I'll be watching this rather intently. If it goes through, we may be looking at some dark days ahead of us.

Witty Name Here:
I expect this to end in horrible, horrible, horrible violence. Twenty bucks says the first shot is fired by the marchers, or at the very least they coax and threaten the police into firing.

Yeah, I fully expect that one of them will start shooting to "defend their freedom", and it'll turn into a bloodbath. Maybe, finally, when that is over, America can get past its ridiculous gun fetish.

xDarc:
I can't recall how many pictures I've seen of Black Panthers walking around with guns in cities, but it's a lot.

Were the Black Panthers carrying guns in DC, though? In the gun free zones? And did they march with their guns to the Capitol, White House and Supreme Court in a display of intimidation? "In cities" =/= Washington DC.

Aris Khandr:

Witty Name Here:
I expect this to end in horrible, horrible, horrible violence. Twenty bucks says the first shot is fired by the marchers, or at the very least they coax and threaten the police into firing.

Yeah, I fully expect that one of them will start shooting to "defend their freedom", and it'll turn into a bloodbath. Maybe, finally, when that is over, America can get past its ridiculous gun fetish.

Is it a little evil that I actually hope someone decides to pull something? Every time there's a shooting that there is even the most remote link to politics, it increases calls for a more civil discourse. If such violence were to occur because of a protest, it may serve to force the most militant to abandon their tactics of fear.

But most likely nothing major will happen. I was in DC in 2010 when there were two similar rallies to what they were describing, although they never crossed the bridge. The rallies barely registered a blip on the local radar (although protests are so common, you have to do something crazy and/or big to really get any attention).

Marches don't really accomplish anything in the US anymore soo

have fun?

Skeleon:

xDarc:
I can't recall how many pictures I've seen of Black Panthers walking around with guns in cities, but it's a lot.

Were the Black Panthers carrying guns in DC, though? In the gun free zones? And did they march with their guns to the Capitol, White House and Supreme Court in a display of intimidation? "In cities" =/= Washington DC.

DC's gun laws as they exist today did not come into being until 1976. There were affiliates of the Panthers in DC as early as 1967, they were denied as a chapter because they did not want to work with whites. They called themselves "The Black Defenders," and they were armed. Their history is not well documented.

The most famous pictures you will probably see are armed black panthers at Sacramento,CA standing on the steps of the capitol.

Also DC gun laws were found to be unconstitutional by the supreme court. It doesn't sound like DC cares though.

Gold:
Why are you all saying it will turn ugly?

If anything I expect everyone to be on their very best behavior at the armed march.

It's the fact they're marching against such a stupid thing. Tyranny in America? PLEASE. Maybe if you're a muslim or a teacher.

Precedence. Nothing happening requires everyone being on their best behavior. All it takes to turn ugly is one person panicking and/or doing something stupid. The American Revolution's 'shot heard round the world' for instance supposedly started with both the British and American forces being told to hold fire by their respective leaders. Then someone[1] discharged their weapon and...well things got really ugly really fast and it turned into the first skirmish of the American Revolution.

[1] Reports exist from eyewitnesses on both sides crediting the first shot to the other force in some manner

if A=chances of one of the armed protesters being a fucknut who wants to take a shot at a cop
b=chances of any one protester feeling like the cops are about to shoot
c=chances of an ND
d=chances of a protester unwittingly adopting a hostile stance to a cop
e=chances of a car backfiring in the crowd
f=chances of a protester getting into an altercation with another protester
g=chances of an unrelated gun crime occurring within earshot
If all of those taken together are a greater chance than 1/10 000 then this is an extremely fucking bad idea.

I mean, I hope nothing bad happens, but if it does it may just indicate again that giving a bunch of untrained, unscreened, uncontrolled people the ability to deal instant death to their fellow man is not the wisest of societal pillars.

Aris Khandr:

Witty Name Here:
I expect this to end in horrible, horrible, horrible violence. Twenty bucks says the first shot is fired by the marchers, or at the very least they coax and threaten the police into firing.

Yeah, I fully expect that one of them will start shooting to "defend their freedom", and it'll turn into a bloodbath. Maybe, finally, when that is over, America can get past its ridiculous gun fetish.

This may sound cynical of me, but I'm almost worried someone will go to the protest just so they can be the one to fire the next "shot heard 'round the world"

If this protest devolves into violence, and I mean major violence, I can either see a new quickly put down "civil war" occurring (similar to the "Whiskey Rebellion" in a sense) or the backlash from gun protesters pretty much attempting to sack a city like medieval vikings will lead to the harshest gun laws yet.

Witty Name Here:

Aris Khandr:

Witty Name Here:
I expect this to end in horrible, horrible, horrible violence. Twenty bucks says the first shot is fired by the marchers, or at the very least they coax and threaten the police into firing.

Yeah, I fully expect that one of them will start shooting to "defend their freedom", and it'll turn into a bloodbath. Maybe, finally, when that is over, America can get past its ridiculous gun fetish.

This may sound cynical of me, but I'm almost worried someone will go to the protest just so they can be the one to fire the next "shot heard 'round the world"

If this protest devolves into violence, and I mean major violence, I can either see a new quickly put down "civil war" occurring (similar to the "Whiskey Rebellion" in a sense) or the backlash from gun protesters pretty much attempting to sack a city like medieval vikings will lead to the harshest gun laws yet.

Not outside the realm of possibility. You don't like to think that something could happen, but it could, and a lot of people could hurt in the process.

Can your hand guns and rifles shoot down a military drone? No? Yeah, I don't think the government will be too intimidated.

Kaulen Fuhs:

Mobs can turn violent pretty quickly; if just one idiot fires a shot, a lot of people are going to die for no good reason.

I just can't see this as anything but a recipe for disaster, even if I understand where Kokesh is coming from.

I foresee some idiot trying to mug a demonstrator, to see what happens. Demonstrator shoots idiot, police shoot demonstrators, demonstrators shoot police, military shoot everyone.

What gets organized on Facebook has a tendency to remain on Facebook.

Witty Name Here:
This may sound cynical of me, but I'm almost worried someone will go to the protest just so they can be the one to fire the next "shot heard 'round the world"

If this protest devolves into violence, and I mean major violence, I can either see a new quickly put down "civil war" occurring (similar to the "Whiskey Rebellion" in a sense) or the backlash from gun protesters pretty much attempting to sack a city like medieval vikings will lead to the harshest gun laws yet.

That's not cynical at all. It'd only take one. Hell, you get people shooting up schools to be famous, this'd be much "better".

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Upon reading the article, it says the guy is "a former marine". Is that former, or former, if you see what I mean?

while i totally get that most would be generally ok people the potential for this to atract extremist elements which could make this protest go pear shape very fast

Imperator_DK:
What gets organized on Facebook has a tendency to remain on Facebook.

Unless it's a party. But yeah my guess is that the vast majority of people who claim they will be attending won't.

This reminds me of all those petitions to x state to seceede from the union where most of the votes came from different states. Plenty of people saying they'd come when it costs them nothing to do so, but when push comes to shove they'll be nowhere to be found.

Asita:

Now, call me crazy, but this just strikes me as a recipe for disaster. Kokesh's statements non-withstanding, it only takes one idiot to make another 'shot heard round the world' and turn this into a tragedy.

To be honest, I rather think that given DC's phenomenal murder rate, a couple thousand largely law-abiding gun enthusiasts on a political jaunt are hardly the most severe of its danger problems.

xDarc:

Somebody needs to stand up to people who want to legislate everyone's rights away. If they get rid of the 2nd amendment, what's to stop them from taking the 1st?
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I think most people just don't care. They don't care if they ban all the guns, regulate speech, make everyone live in government issued boxes and work construction jobs where 20 guys patch one pothole- like in Player Piano- so long as they are left alone and they aren't bothered. They must not care.

The historical condition of the US and every other developed country is that on balance it has far more rights now than ever before. Public gun ownership did sod all to prevent the government tyrannically locking gay men up for mutually consenting sex for most of last century. (And we might note the correlation between states with high gun ownership and rejection of gay rights). We might similarly note the decades of police disinterest in the problems of or even active institutional victimisation of the black community, which went largely unchallenged by gun-owning Americans. Although perhaps simply pointing out they were tyrannically denied voting rights (again, with the assent of no small amount of gun-owners) is perhaps more important. I'm not sure how many complaints there were when Japanese were being locked up in WW2 internment camps, and there's plenty more but you get the point.

The USA has in the past had in place laws and regulations that by today's standards are grossly rights-abusing, and gun owners as a whole were as equally culpable as anyone else and in some cases perhaps more so for happily supporting them. So really, when you say "I think most people just don't care" then that goes for a lot of gun owners too - on the particular rights that don't much involve them.

TKretts3:
Can your hand guns and rifles shoot down a military drone? No? Yeah, I don't think the government will be too intimidated.

Would the U.S Government use a militarydrone within a heavily populated city which happends to be their nations capital. On a group of armed protestors? No.

The worries are about civilian/policemens deaths that might come from this. Not that the Government would be intimidated. Then again, I think your comment just sounded better in your head.

_bottomline_

Until we see a huge group of armed protestors -actually- marching on Facebook. I won't hold my breath.

The Kony movements night operation had hundreds of thousands of subscribers, yet in New York only like... 2-15 people met in the various arranged groups.

xDarc:

Skeleon:

xDarc:
I can't recall how many pictures I've seen of Black Panthers walking around with guns in cities, but it's a lot.

Were the Black Panthers carrying guns in DC, though? In the gun free zones? And did they march with their guns to the Capitol, White House and Supreme Court in a display of intimidation? "In cities" =/= Washington DC.

DC's gun laws as they exist today did not come into being until 1976. There were affiliates of the Panthers in DC as early as 1967, they were denied as a chapter because they did not want to work with whites. They called themselves "The Black Defenders," and they were armed. Their history is not well documented.

The most famous pictures you will probably see are armed black panthers at Sacramento,CA standing on the steps of the capitol.

Also DC gun laws were found to be unconstitutional by the supreme court. It doesn't sound like DC cares though.

You think too much of the radical gun-owners. They most likely wouldn't bat an eye if the first amendment were touched, considering it already has been and we've seen zero armed resistance.

Throughout American History little armed resistance has actually been shown to examples of what could possibly considered Tyranny, the only cases where it has shown at all would be when proposals of gun-control starts filling the air.

Which really seems to make it kind of .... Stupid.

Imperator_DK:
What gets organized on Facebook has a tendency to remain on Facebook.

Or you could get this.

http://www.businessinsider.com/project-x-haren-creates-riots-in-holland-2012-9

I can't imagine this march being successful at all.

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