Well THAT will end well...(Armed March On Washington)

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Nikolaz72:
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OH COME ON!! WHAT ABOUT ME ;_;! I POST ON HERE TOO, AND I AT LEAST CENTER-RIGHT/MODERATE!!

Although I agree with you. I have been starting to keep more quiet on here because there are so few people who sare my opinion that I will be ganged up on the second I post anything that deviates from the norm of this forum (pro-gun, pro-life, anti-flag burning/desicration, patriotism, religion, etc.) , then lo, the Grand High Jury of the Court of Escapist sentances me to the punishment of crucifixian, mean words, and ignore! Thus I usually keep my mouth shut unless I can get really into it.

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Nikolaz72:
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OH COME ON!! WHAT ABOUT ME ;_;! I POST ON HERE TOO, AND I AT LEAST CENTER-RIGHT/MODERATE!!

Although I agree with you. I have been starting to keep more quiet on here because there are so few people who sare my opinion that I will be ganged up on the second I post anything that deviates from the norm of this forum (pro-gun, pro-life, anti-flag burning/desicration, patriotism, religion, etc.) , then lo, the Grand High Jury of the Court of Escapist sentances me to the punishment of crucifixian, mean words, and ignore! Thus I usually keep my mouth shut unless I can get really into it.

The liberals on here don't have a problem with a dissenting option, they have a problem when that opinion is presented as fact with no information to back it up.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

The liberals on here don't have a problem with a dissenting option, they have a problem when that opinion is presented as fact with no information to back it up.

And especially when it's presented in a derisive, derogatory, "dirty liberals" manner. We don't need that here, but it's been happening a lot in the past.

Vegosiux:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

The liberals on here don't have a problem with a dissenting option, they have a problem when that opinion is presented as fact with no information to back it up.

And especially when it's presented in a derisive, derogatory, "dirty liberals" manner. We don't need that here, but it's been happening a lot in the past.

If by past, you mean 24 hours ago...

Big_Willie_Styles:
Democrats depend on the ignorance and short-term memory of the electorate. Republicans count on the wisdom of the electorate.

You know, things like that...

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Nikolaz72:
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OH COME ON!! WHAT ABOUT ME ;_;! I POST ON HERE TOO, AND I AT LEAST CENTER-RIGHT/MODERATE!!

Although I agree with you. I have been starting to keep more quiet on here because there are so few people who sare my opinion that I will be ganged up on the second I post anything that deviates from the norm of this forum (pro-gun, pro-life, anti-flag burning/desicration, patriotism, religion, etc.) , then lo, the Grand High Jury of the Court of Escapist sentances me to the punishment of crucifixian, mean words, and ignore! Thus I usually keep my mouth shut unless I can get really into it.

You think the Escapist is bad? Try to be a Socially leaning Scandinavian on an conservative debate-site.

It's hard enough to argue for a high-taxed country with socialized healthcare here, you're gonna get your head teared off for suggesting anything else than a Theocratic Libertarian Free-Haven on there. And just try and go ahead to argue that Obama Isn't the worst President in U.S History, I dare ye, they will rip, you, to, shreds.

And this is disregarding the fact that when they find out you aren't pureblooded American they will just dismiss your opinions on world politics entirely, only true American Patriots are truly worthy of having opinions.

Be thankful the tables aren't turned. Liberals will at most call you stupid or bait you into a warning, or in the case of League of Legends forums, various words for homosexual (I don't think they are old enough to know the meaning of the word Fag)

During a school assignment in 7th grade on American Gun-law. I received an outright ban on a University forum for 'trolling' when I said that I favor a total ban on Handguns, I've had a distaste for the American right-wing ever since, when I visited the liberal counterpart they were helpful and found sources (Other than Wikipedia). When one helps you receive an A and the other ban's you for having a different opinion. You find that you see one side as more open than the other.

It's then that I got the opinion that America didn't 'have' conservatives at all. It was Theocratic Traditionalists.

Wasn't until these forums that I encountered 'anything' else than extremist fringe super-religious survivalists (In the form of JR-Slinger/Seekster/Revnak whom I've had actual PM conversations with). And even this forum has had/has it's fair share of the crazies (Xpowder, Xdarc, Profamilylover)

Don't even be fooled into thinking this site is accepting of the left. If a true Socialist/Communist happened by this site and tried to argue for it, I assure you that they would be treated the same way, perhaps worse than the right-wing. It is one of the reasons I tend to moderalize my opinions, were I born in a different time I might have fancied myself a socialist, or even a communist. But if I look at my country as a whole I see that we can at most become Social-Liberalists without getting hurt by outside powers, banks and other large corporations has the power to seriously hurt a country for choosing the 'wrong' Ideology. American Conservatives/Libertarians don't have to think of such fears.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

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Nikolaz72:
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OH COME ON!! WHAT ABOUT ME ;_;! I POST ON HERE TOO, AND I AT LEAST CENTER-RIGHT/MODERATE!!

Although I agree with you. I have been starting to keep more quiet on here because there are so few people who sare my opinion that I will be ganged up on the second I post anything that deviates from the norm of this forum (pro-gun, pro-life, anti-flag burning/desicration, patriotism, religion, etc.) , then lo, the Grand High Jury of the Court of Escapist sentances me to the punishment of crucifixian, mean words, and ignore! Thus I usually keep my mouth shut unless I can get really into it.

The liberals on here don't have a problem with a dissenting option, they have a problem when that opinion is presented as fact with no information to back it up.

As a centrist/moderate left leaning person, gonna have to disagree with you. many of the liberals on this site are terrible when it comes to dissenting opinion (that is not to say that many conservative posters are any better), to the point where anyone who disagrees with them for any reason whatsoever is immediately labeled a racist/bigot. And this is coming from someone who is not enamored with either conservatives or liberals.

Most of the conservative/liberal posters are eerily similar to one another in terms of their attitudes.

Ryotknife:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

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OH COME ON!! WHAT ABOUT ME ;_;! I POST ON HERE TOO, AND I AT LEAST CENTER-RIGHT/MODERATE!!

Although I agree with you. I have been starting to keep more quiet on here because there are so few people who sare my opinion that I will be ganged up on the second I post anything that deviates from the norm of this forum (pro-gun, pro-life, anti-flag burning/desicration, patriotism, religion, etc.) , then lo, the Grand High Jury of the Court of Escapist sentances me to the punishment of crucifixian, mean words, and ignore! Thus I usually keep my mouth shut unless I can get really into it.

The liberals on here don't have a problem with a dissenting option, they have a problem when that opinion is presented as fact with no information to back it up.

As a centrist/moderate left leaning person, gonna have to disagree with you. many of the liberals on this site are terrible when it comes to dissenting opinion (that is not to say that many conservative posters are any better), to the point where anyone who disagrees with them for any reason whatsoever is immediately labeled a racist/bigot. And this is coming from someone who is not enamored with either conservatives or liberals.

Most of the conservative/liberal posters are eerily similar to one another in terms of their attitudes.

The only topic I've ever seen the liberals go directly to the "bigot" card is gay marriage, and that's because science has debunked every legitimate reason against it multiple times. The opposition has one argument that withstands the tests: "The Bible says it's wrong".

But with no legitimate argument against gay rights, it's just easier to call them a bigot and move on rather than explain to the person all of the studies.

Nikolaz72:

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Nikolaz72:
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OH COME ON!! WHAT ABOUT ME ;_;! I POST ON HERE TOO, AND I AT LEAST CENTER-RIGHT/MODERATE!!

Although I agree with you. I have been starting to keep more quiet on here because there are so few people who sare my opinion that I will be ganged up on the second I post anything that deviates from the norm of this forum (pro-gun, pro-life, anti-flag burning/desicration, patriotism, religion, etc.) , then lo, the Grand High Jury of the Court of Escapist sentances me to the punishment of crucifixian, mean words, and ignore! Thus I usually keep my mouth shut unless I can get really into it.

You think the Escapist is bad? Try to be a Socially leaning Scandinavian on an conservative debate-site.

It's hard enough to argue for a high-taxed country with socialized healthcare here, you're gonna get your head teared off for suggesting anything else than a Theocratic Libertarian Free-Haven on there. And just try and go ahead to argue that Obama Isn't the worst President in U.S History, I dare ye, they will rip, you, to, shreds.

And this is disregarding the fact that when they find out you aren't pureblooded American they will just dismiss your opinions on world politics entirely, only true American Patriots are truly worthy of having opinions.

Be thankful the tables aren't turned. Liberals will at most call you stupid or bait you into a warning, or in the case of League of Legends forums, various words for homosexual (I don't think they are old enough to know the meaning of the word Fag)

During a school assignment in 7th grade on American Gun-law. I received an outright ban on a University forum for 'trolling' when I said that I favor a total ban on Handguns, I've had a distaste for the American right-wing ever since, when I visited the liberal counterpart they were helpful and found sources (Other than Wikipedia). When one helps you receive an A and the other ban's you for having a different opinion. You find that you see one side as more open than the other.

It's then that I got the opinion that America didn't 'have' conservatives at all. It was Theocratic Traditionalists.

Wasn't until these forums that I encountered 'anything' else than extremist fringe super-religious survivalists (In the form of JR-Slinger/Seekster/Revnak whom I've had actual PM conversations with). And even this forum has had/has it's fair share of the crazies (Xpowder, Xdarc, Profamilylover)

Don't even be fooled into thinking this site is accepting of the left. If a true Socialist/Communist happened by this site and tried to argue for it, I assure you that they would be treated the same way, perhaps worse than the right-wing. It is one of the reasons I tend to moderalize my opinions, were I born in a different time I might have fancied myself a socialist, or even a communist. But if I look at my country as a whole I see that we can at most become Social-Liberalists without getting hurt by outside powers, banks and other large corporations has the power to seriously hurt a country for choosing the 'wrong' Ideology. American Conservatives/Libertarians don't have to think of such fears.

Well, Soviet Steve seems to do okay. Whether he is actually communist or not is still a mystery, but he plays the part really well either way.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Nikolaz72:

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OH COME ON!! WHAT ABOUT ME ;_;! I POST ON HERE TOO, AND I AT LEAST CENTER-RIGHT/MODERATE!!

Although I agree with you. I have been starting to keep more quiet on here because there are so few people who sare my opinion that I will be ganged up on the second I post anything that deviates from the norm of this forum (pro-gun, pro-life, anti-flag burning/desicration, patriotism, religion, etc.) , then lo, the Grand High Jury of the Court of Escapist sentances me to the punishment of crucifixian, mean words, and ignore! Thus I usually keep my mouth shut unless I can get really into it.

You think the Escapist is bad? Try to be a Socially leaning Scandinavian on an conservative debate-site.

It's hard enough to argue for a high-taxed country with socialized healthcare here, you're gonna get your head teared off for suggesting anything else than a Theocratic Libertarian Free-Haven on there. And just try and go ahead to argue that Obama Isn't the worst President in U.S History, I dare ye, they will rip, you, to, shreds.

And this is disregarding the fact that when they find out you aren't pureblooded American they will just dismiss your opinions on world politics entirely, only true American Patriots are truly worthy of having opinions.

Be thankful the tables aren't turned. Liberals will at most call you stupid or bait you into a warning, or in the case of League of Legends forums, various words for homosexual (I don't think they are old enough to know the meaning of the word Fag)

During a school assignment in 7th grade on American Gun-law. I received an outright ban on a University forum for 'trolling' when I said that I favor a total ban on Handguns, I've had a distaste for the American right-wing ever since, when I visited the liberal counterpart they were helpful and found sources (Other than Wikipedia). When one helps you receive an A and the other ban's you for having a different opinion. You find that you see one side as more open than the other.

It's then that I got the opinion that America didn't 'have' conservatives at all. It was Theocratic Traditionalists.

Wasn't until these forums that I encountered 'anything' else than extremist fringe super-religious survivalists (In the form of JR-Slinger/Seekster/Revnak whom I've had actual PM conversations with). And even this forum has had/has it's fair share of the crazies (Xpowder, Xdarc, Profamilylover)

Don't even be fooled into thinking this site is accepting of the left. If a true Socialist/Communist happened by this site and tried to argue for it, I assure you that they would be treated the same way, perhaps worse than the right-wing. It is one of the reasons I tend to moderalize my opinions, were I born in a different time I might have fancied myself a socialist, or even a communist. But if I look at my country as a whole I see that we can at most become Social-Liberalists without getting hurt by outside powers, banks and other large corporations has the power to seriously hurt a country for choosing the 'wrong' Ideology. American Conservatives/Libertarians don't have to think of such fears.

Well, Soviet Steve seems to do okay. Whether he is actually communist or not is still a mystery, but he plays the part really well either way.

Within the first half a year people told him to stop trolling, get a life, and later a couple I believe outright just put him on Ignore.

These were 'not' the conservatives funny enough.

Yea I don't know if he's serious either. But if he is the opinions aren't taken seriously.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Ryotknife:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

The liberals on here don't have a problem with a dissenting option, they have a problem when that opinion is presented as fact with no information to back it up.

As a centrist/moderate left leaning person, gonna have to disagree with you. many of the liberals on this site are terrible when it comes to dissenting opinion (that is not to say that many conservative posters are any better), to the point where anyone who disagrees with them for any reason whatsoever is immediately labeled a racist/bigot. And this is coming from someone who is not enamored with either conservatives or liberals.

Most of the conservative/liberal posters are eerily similar to one another in terms of their attitudes.

The only topic I've ever seen the liberals go directly to the "bigot" card is gay marriage

and religion

and guns

and abortion

Well, they usually add paranoid/rapist/sexist in some of those topics, not just racist/bigot.

Ryotknife:

and religion

and guns

and abortion

Well, they usually add paranoid/rapist/sexist in some of those topics, not just racist/bigot.

Say, could you post some examples of "liberals going directly for the bigot/racist/whatever" card in those debates, or are you going to keep tossing wild accusations around without any effort to back them up and hope that if you sling enough dirt, some of it will stick?

Vegosiux:

Ryotknife:

and religion

and guns

and abortion

Well, they usually add paranoid/rapist/sexist in some of those topics, not just racist/bigot.

Say, could you post some examples of "liberals going directly for the bigot/racist/whatever" card in those debates, or are you going to keep tossing wild accusations around without any effort to back them up and hope that if you sling enough dirt, some of it will stick?

Sure, look at the thread:

atheist arrogance

or the newton threads

Also I love it how you ask for support if anyone says anything bad about liberals, but you don't ask for evidence when someone says something bad about conservatives...hmm. You completely ignored that I put conservatives in the same boat as liberals, and yet your only concern is for liberals.

hell, I prefer liberal parties over conservative parties (albeit slightly), so it is not like I have a bias against liberals.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Well, Soviet Steve seems to do okay. Whether he is actually communist or not is still a mystery, but he plays the part really well either way.

Soviet Steve seems to largely be satirical, although there are a few 'serious' posts made. I could be wrong and he's completely serious, but that's what it seems like to me.

On a sidenote, I'm surprised you didn't add me in your list of 'the crazies', considering that while I'm center on social issues, I'm very high on the 'Authoritarian' scale of things. Had I been born in 1920's Germany, I likely would have ended up being a member of the Gestapo or Stasi. Well, if they didn't ship me off for being a Jew first, I guess.

I won't say that there haven't been cases where someone with different views has been mobbed. A lot of people from various spectrum of the political circle are now gone. I do find ,however, that stating liberal bias is a bit of weak excuse. Those who pull that card out do so when everyone starts criticizing them for their poor or biased sources.

I think the forum is a bit better about not instantly going on the offensive, but then again, I only post when I see something I vehemently disagree with, so most of my posts are probably attacks.

senordesol:

My point here is that all of eager and excited and perverse assumptions that something will go wrong -that something MUST go wrong- is not only statistically inconsistent, but is in fact FAR MORE FRIGHTENING than 10,000 people with guns.

OT: I can't speak for everyone, but I think most people here don't actually want violence to erupt ( apart from that one guy who said they were keeping their arms crossed, which is truly fucked up). Realistically speaking though, the whole march is somewhat foolhardy and not well though out. I think there's a difference between saying that this march sounds stupid and hoping that people die during the march.

I'm all for civil disobedience for a good cause, but all of the protests I've ever participated in was peaceful. This protests feels like it has a different flavor than the most popular protest "Occupy Wall Street".

Remembering the violent way occupy ended, I wonder how the guns will affect this? Would the police hesitate to use force on armed protestors, or will it only escalate the level of violence? I hope nothing goes wrong.

Ryotknife:

Sure, look at the thread:

atheist arrogance

or the newton threads

Yeah, I don't see a trend of people "jumping straight to ad hominem" there.

Also I love it how you ask for support if anyone says anything bad about liberals, but you don't ask for evidence when someone says something bad about conservatives...hmm. You completely ignored that I put conservatives in the same boat as liberals, and yet your only concern is for liberals.

In the post I quoted? You did not. So, I couldn't ignore it, since it did not happen in the first place. Want to retract that accusation of hypocrisy on my part?

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Vegosiux:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

The liberals on here don't have a problem with a dissenting option, they have a problem when that opinion is presented as fact with no information to back it up.

And especially when it's presented in a derisive, derogatory, "dirty liberals" manner. We don't need that here, but it's been happening a lot in the past.

If by past, you mean 24 hours ago...

Big_Willie_Styles:
Democrats depend on the ignorance and short-term memory of the electorate. Republicans count on the wisdom of the electorate.

You know, things like that...

The Armed March in Washington was a bad idea to begin with, but the second I saw who the guy organizing it was, i.e. a fanatical Ron Paul supporter, I didn't need to hear anymore about it. Once this fact was disseminated, the thing puffed out (I mean that to imply it was the fevered imaginations of a dude on something.)

Or did you think I would support something as mindnumbingly stupid as what is essentially a pretty thinly veiled attempt to hint at armed revolution?

10,000 people armed with small arms Vs urban pacification vehicles, IFVs and gunships. I hope the American government has stockpiled a lot of sponges and mops along with its hollow point rounds.

Vegosiux:

Ryotknife:

and religion

and guns

and abortion

Well, they usually add paranoid/rapist/sexist in some of those topics, not just racist/bigot.

Say, could you post some examples of "liberals going directly for the bigot/racist/whatever" card in those debates, or are you going to keep tossing wild accusations around without any effort to back them up and hope that if you sling enough dirt, some of it will stick?

Try defending the military around here.

Thats the thing, I am fucking right wing, I have just been forced into siding with the american 'left' because the centrists are all gone and the american right is too far for even me

This whole thing could easily turn into a huge firefight and I doubt the US Army would be on the losing end.

While discussing the proposed march with a few friends, a very interesting question popped up. Does this guy actually have the organization and money to create/manage a march of this size?

I wonder if the media he's getting on the idea now is all that he will ever get on it, if the actual march never materializes due to lack of financing.

davidmc1158:
While discussing the proposed march with a few friends, a very interesting question popped up. Does this guy actually have the organization and money to create/manage a march of this size?

I wonder if the media he's getting on the idea now is all that he will ever get on it, if the actual march never materializes due to lack of financing.

Well, that seems to be a thing..."I'm a gun owner, lots of other people are gun owners, so I've got this massive amount of people who support me personally". There's no reason to assume any random gun owner can hope to speak for umpteen thousand others, but then agian, the ones that think like that are more likely to get headlines.

Kopikatsu:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Well, Soviet Steve seems to do okay. Whether he is actually communist or not is still a mystery, but he plays the part really well either way.

Soviet Steve seems to largely be satirical, although there are a few 'serious' posts made. I could be wrong and he's completely serious, but that's what it seems like to me.

On a sidenote, I'm surprised you didn't add me in your list of 'the crazies', considering that while I'm center on social issues, I'm very high on the 'Authoritarian' scale of things. Had I been born in 1920's Germany, I likely would have ended up being a member of the Gestapo or Stasi. Well, if they didn't ship me off for being a Jew first, I guess.

While I disagree with you on most counts, that's really all it is: disagreements. You probably weren't considered for the "crazies" list because you don't go around spouting falsehoods and propaganda and then acting like a victimized prick when people demonstrate why said propaganda is bullshit. For the most part, anything you say stands on the grounds of your (and admittedly, my) nihilistic outlook, and therefore can't be considered factually incorrect.

Just my 2 cents

Kopikatsu:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Well, Soviet Steve seems to do okay. Whether he is actually communist or not is still a mystery, but he plays the part really well either way.

Soviet Steve seems to largely be satirical, although there are a few 'serious' posts made. I could be wrong and he's completely serious, but that's what it seems like to me.

On a sidenote, I'm surprised you didn't add me in your list of 'the crazies', considering that while I'm center on social issues, I'm very high on the 'Authoritarian' scale of things. Had I been born in 1920's Germany, I likely would have ended up being a member of the Gestapo or Stasi. Well, if they didn't ship me off for being a Jew first, I guess.

Warning: Ended up rather long

the clockmaker:

Try defending the military around here.

Thats the thing, I am fucking right wing, I have just been forced into siding with the american 'left' because the centrists are all gone and the american right is too far for even me

Nikolaz72:
When Soldiers go around raping their combrades and murder civilians in cold blood, then. It is not a time to defend the military.

Soldiers will always do that, there's no way of stopping them. The civilian populace of every nation does that, there's no reason to assume soldiers recruited from them would not.

Nikolaz72:
When the Military is bound to get cuts due to the lack of war, lack of any foreseeablewar, and the fact that it's larger than the next 26 combined, and that there is a financial crisis going on. Then it is not the time to defend the military.

The US is not the only nation to have a military, mind.

Nikolaz72:
In my opinion America could stand to cut off some of the fat, and then use diplomacy to press down on it's NATO allies to spend more. We created a treaty once, a treaty in which we agreed to spend money to each do our part. America is one of the few countries that kept good to that deal, they should make sure their allies do aswell. And the best way to do so is infact to cut your military, because the idea that America is not there to defend 'everyone' would most likely cause those everyone to increase the sizes of their military. I believe the original agreement was that each NATO country had to spend around.. What was it. 2% of the GNP I believe, Two percent that only an amount of countries I and count on my fingers ever did spend.

Smaller nations aren't going to spend as much as larger ones, not even proportionally. If, say, Canada was to match the US in spending as expressed as a proportion of their GDP, it would be reasonable to say they were working equally as hard on it.

They'd get nothing like an equal result. The Canadian military would still be much smaller than the US one. The US would call the shots, Canada might be consulted, but it'd be a long way short of an equal partner.

That means Canada doesn't have an incentive to spend as much as the US, because the US would still dominate.

thaluikhain:
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1: At no point did I suggest the U.S was the only country in the world with a military. However 99% of the time military cuts are discussed on this forum it is with the U.S in mind.
2: You seem to realize this here, regardless the U.S seems to be in possesion of the most lenient military officers in NATO when it comes to officers actively working to prevent the punishment of the soldiers commiting these crimes. Also being the largest contractors of private Mercenaries whom are, for good reason looked down upon by a lot of people across the world for rarely being held accountable for their actions.
3: Regardless, a treaty was made that these countries signed. Such should be followed, not ignored with such faulty reasoning as 'It would be more expensive for smaller nations' Aye, perhaps. But most of the others than the US whom made the percentage 'were' smaller nations. The larger did not perform any better, despite it by your logic being easier.

Your logic on U.S dominance is also flawed as obviously if the U.S did not have capability of single handedly defending every ally on the planet, said allies would take further steps to increase their own defensive capabilities. Such is merely logical.

2% is not an economy-destroying amount, aye. It would be better for the nations economy/education/healthcare if it could be spent on other things, but such is selfish. For what is not spent by one, has to be spent by another, just a final word.

I wish to emphasize the fact that I believe that when you sign a contract, or a treaty, or an agreement of any sort you should at least 'try' to follow it. Many nations whom signed this, did not.

Nikolaz72:
2: You seem to realize this here, regardless the U.S seems to be in possesion of the most lenient military officers when it comes to officers actively working to prevent the punishment of the soldiers commiting these crimes.

No, you're absolutely right there. The US Air Force officer responsible for stopping sexual abuse has been charged with sexual abuse, for example.

Nikolaz72:
Your logic on U.S dominance is also flawed as obviously if the U.S did not have capability of single handedly defending every ally on the planet, said allies would take further steps to increase their own defensive capabilities. Such is merely logical.

Certainly, it only applies if each nation sees itself as a small ally of a larger power, and not facing an immediate serious threat.

thaluikhain:

Nikolaz72:
2: You seem to realize this here, regardless the U.S seems to be in possesion of the most lenient military officers when it comes to officers actively working to prevent the punishment of the soldiers commiting these crimes.

No, you're absolutely right there. The US Air Force officer responsible for stopping sexual abuse has been charged with sexual abuse, for example.

Nikolaz72:
Your logic on U.S dominance is also flawed as obviously if the U.S did not have capability of single handedly defending every ally on the planet, said allies would take further steps to increase their own defensive capabilities. Such is merely logical.

Certainly, it only applies if each nation sees itself as a small ally of a larger power, and not facing an immediate serious threat.

Well, it's more an arguement on semantics then. It is rare that you are in any immediate danger these days, we are far away from any fronts. And we are in one of the longest periods of peacetime in the last 6000 years.

Until Europe unites into a Federal State (Moresothannow) we 'are' a lot of smaller allies of a larger power.

Regardless of mine or others opinion on this matter, it merely is so. Anyway I still think it important that each does their part for the NATO.

xDarc:
What the hell happened in the past 20 years?

Rage Against the Machine; "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me!" ... To "Yes, we can."

It's like the Right is the New left. The left used to be against the state, and now because they put Obama's face on it they love it. I didn't buy it. I was on the left, I was a demonstrator, I was at WTO/TABD protests in the late 90's and early 2000s... seriously I am so turned around.

How did I get out here all by myself? I wonder what the people I used to roll with 15 years ago are into now, the kind of guys who used to scream US NAVY OUT OF VIEQUES! I wonder if they're happy about all this, chanting along, yes, we can.

World's pretty messed up.

Those people are still there, jsut outshouted by the people you named. Your not alone, we just dont go to streets and make journalism-grubbing matches so noone writes about us.
Though left is not necessary against the state. Left is against authoritarian state.

Nikolaz72:

[You're a Nihilistic Cynical, and in my eyes a borderline Misanthrope, and sometimes when reading your posts I feel like I'm being injected with venom.

What do you mean about the venom part? Like, specifically. In any event...I don't consider myself a misanthrope. I do hate humanity as it is, but I don't hate humankind in general. That is...I believe that mankind has an opportunity to become something great. But currently, it's just a parasite that's slowly working it's way to the point of self-extinction. And I just find it sad that such potential is squandered.

but often I find myself wondering what you are even doing here, as you never really seem to be enjoying yourself.

I don't particularly enjoy myself most of the time in any situation. To be perfectly honest, the only reason that I haven't committed suicide yet is because 1. It would mean my bitch of a mother would win; 2. Been there, done that. and; 3. There's no point. As I don't believe there is anything after death, there's no reason to rush towards it in the off chance that things will get better later on. But I don't particularly fear death either way. I can't imagine why anyone would. If you believe in an afterlife, then death is a wonderful thing. If you don't, then to quote a favorite philosopher of mine..."When we exist death is not, and when death exists we are not. All sensation and consciousness ends with death and therefore in death there is neither pleasure nor pain. The fear of death arises from the belief that in death there is awareness."

Also, the times you've sprouted something, opinions or other that I thought crazy, you don't act like you're suffering at the hands of hateful oppressive majority, when they call you out for those opinions. Your have unpopular opinions, when called out for them you don't decry the entire forum as one big hivemind of people whom oppose you and agree on everything, and run crying to the moderators.

I do believe the forum has a very hard liberal slant, if that counts. Such is the case with most gaming forums, although I can't imagine why. (Before anyone has the smartass comment of 'Conservatives don't know how to use a computer because they're old and out of touch', there are very large and active conservative-heavy forums and websites.)

Authoritarianism is bad when it ends up sacrificing the needs of the many for the wants of the few.

I won't say that I agree with your entire view ('cause I don't), but I do agree with this part. It's unfortunate that the most notable Authoritarian governments have been associated with 'evil'. I haven't yet decided if Authoritarianism is on the same level as Communism and Anarchy yet, however. That is, I'm not sure if it could be a working system or if it's just a 'Works in theory, fails in practical implementation' sort of thing. I don't believe that power corrupts, just that the corrupt are attracted to power. If you could keep them out of the government, then I believe a heavily Authoritarian system would work wonderfully and benefit everyone. But the question is, can you keep them out of the government? I'm not so sure.

Kopikatsu:
What do you mean about venom?/Power attracts corruption/I don't really enjoy life

First of all, yea. Nobody wants to be the villain, but it's obvious in many of your posts that you dislike the liberalistic slant on the forum (Which exists, but I think you overstate it) And also humanity, and I just happened to find that incredibly depressing to read. I don't have to, but I most certainly won't ignore such posts, they are good reads and offer something different that still Isn't stupid. But still, despite knowing the many failings of humanity I choose willingly to remain with an overall positive outlook, I think that Humanity until very recently worked towards extinction, but that things are getting better. CO2 emissions are steadily decreasing, wages are in third/secondworld countries steadily increasing... Hopefully one day, although I'll be long dead... Things will be better than they are today.

TLDR: As someone with a different world view, your world view rubs me the wrong way. Doesn't mean it's wrong, just means I don't like to view the world in a negative light.

As for the power attracts corruption, I don't think we have to look further than the very example most American Conservatives seem to pull, Stalin. To prove this statement true.

Lenin and his supposed-to-be-follower Trotsky both believed in the ideology and wanted to accomplish something great.

Stalin just wanted power.

Stalin got said power by keeping Trotsky away long enough to get a head-start in the election, edit photographs of Lenin to show himself in them, and then assassinate Trotsky before he managed to flee to the United States.

Stalin is the perfect example of someone corrupt desperate for power, achieving said power. And what happens when they do. Aye, Lenin was not without fault, infact he did a whole host of very stupid decisions (Throwing out scientists and farmers have in the after-time been considered a 'bad' move) But you cannot say he didn't stand up for his idea's, and dedicated his life to the people, like a leader should.

As for examples, had a hard time tracking down the real deal, so I will just write a hypothetical. I think you will understand what I mean by then.

As for you not really enjoying yourself, yea... That is pretty bad, I was sad over the usual shit teenagers are unhappy about when they find out politics exists*, hunger and grief brought on by the greed and selfishness centered in the Capitalist system. But with time I've just replaced the feelings of sadness with anger, and I take it out on random right-leaning free-market capitalists. It helps a 'lot'. Although again, I'm still a hormonal emotional young adult, soooooooooooo- still have to vent now and again.

Wanting to prove someone wrong is as good a reason as any to drive you, I for one have tried my best to not be diagnosed with things like Aspergers, or Depression. When you're an anti-social nerd people kind of assume you to be a genius, which blows when you are.. Really, really simple, lazy and not at all over-average in your intelligence.

Kopikatsu:

While the US legal system is pretty fucked, anything you see on TV regarding it is probably false and hyped up to make the story interesting. For example, if you try to make an appeal to emotion or some such to the jury, the Judge will tell you to shut your stupid face. Unless it's an opening/closing statement (because those are meant to address the jury), with few other exceptions. There is also no such thing as a surprise witness/evidence. If you try to bring something new in without having shown it to both the Judge and defense/prosecution and gotten it approved beforehand, the Judge will, again, smack you upside the head for being an idiot.

Although this Isn't an opinionpiece this is a good post, lighthearted, not going off-topic.

However when you enter a thread only to say something like...

Kopikatsu:

Random Escapist Right-winger:
Stop attacking me for my opinions! I only said that the Socialism failed because Cuba is poor, I don't need sources, you know Cuba is poor and socialist, this forum is obviously biased for calling me out for such a well-constructed arguement.

This forum has a heavy Liberalistic slant *Enter message about what the liberals used this privilege for and how it sucks.

Alright, that might not be the worst. But that was off-topic and only served to... Well, it actually served little purpose, I think those kind of posts are mainly to vent. A lot like what I've been writing for what, two pages of this thread now? Anyway, yea... As I said I believe your belief in the forums liberalistic bias is overstated, we are many to the left of the Liberalists here, although most not outright socialists. We don't agree with the American Democrats/Liberals on quite many key issues, it might seem like heavy bias when there is a lot of people not agreeing with you, which is what you can see might have happened in the case of 'Random Escapist Right-Wing user' but just because a lot of people disagree with a certain opinion, does not mean that they agree with each-other. Oft not even about the very topic in which they disagree with said opinion.

As you might know already, I agree with very few of the right-wingers here, but it is not as if I disregard their opinion as a whole, only in a few select cases where I deem them disconnected from my reality and banish them to the void.

*COUGHS HEAVILY* I think I've driven this enough off-topic. Gonna end it there. Not that there was much to discuss after the first page anyway...

*The Universe being so freakishly huge

Nikolaz72:

*COUGHS HEAVILY* I think I've driven this enough off-topic. Gonna end it there. Not that there was much to discuss after the first page anyway...

Yeah, I clicked on this again to see if anyone had been shot and WWIII had kicked off with a new American revolution, but now I just want an analysis of my posting personality off you. :P

It's like a psychology student walking into a room- everyone suddenly wants a precis. :P

Danny Ocean:

Nikolaz72:

*COUGHS HEAVILY* I think I've driven this enough off-topic. Gonna end it there. Not that there was much to discuss after the first page anyway...

Yeah, I clicked on this again to see if anyone had been shot and WWIII had kicked off with a new American revolution, but now I just want an analysis of my posting personality off you. :P

It's like a psychology student walking into a room- everyone suddenly wants a precis. :P

*coughs* You're just a liberal mate, to be honest I often find myself agreeing with you, but in my opinion we have a lot of black and white topics on the forum that Social-Liberalists and Liberalists agree on, as we are most often pitted against the American Right-wing and as such most of the damn forum is to the left of that. If we went deeper you would probably disagree with me on a whole host of things , and naturally I would likewise, both ways and all that. I think we'd see a lot of the forum having disagreements with eachother, but as we will constantly have talks on religion, abortion, guncontrol and all that gizz... We will most often find ourselves in complete agreement. And most often in disagreements with the Republicans(And Survivalists *nudge at Xdarc*) on this forum. Also, my opinion Isn't very interesting, I find it about as interesting, if not less than most other people on this forum. Most often it is inoffensive, bland, and at others it is offensive and also bland. I generally do not make a whole lot of interesting posts. I was here for 3 years posting alongside another user whom couldn't even remember me when he PM'd me instead of Skeleon (Looking at you Revnak) Sure our forum doesn't have as many colorful personalities as off-topic.. But just because we both have blueava---... For christ sake I had a rose (Socialist rose photoshopped blue)and his is like, a jellyfish. His reasoning something along the lines of us both having blue avatars and rather matching opinions on Tax-havens.

Funny that I am a psychology student but I didn't use psychology, actually I suck at it... I've just been here for a while, truth be told. I think a lot of us have :P....

Sometimes I wish that we would treat eachother more nicely, but then I remember. This is the Religions and Politics forum, I treat my grandfather like a sack of **** when it comes to discussing politics, it's not that you necessarily hate the opposition, it's just the nature for those subjects. I also like a good flame-war once in a while... Although Civil discussion does teach you more.

Ending statement

Listen up, I'm no hippy, although this threads massive feels might have suggested such. I love our flamewars, to a certain extend. My opinion Isn't very interesting so if you for some crazy reason are onboard with Danny Ocean just... Don't. Before today few people here have really asked for 'anything' from me on this forum, and if we ever had a thread remembering old times you can be almost 100% certain that I didn't get put in anyones comment, or landed on any list. I'm just not a very memorable user.

It's time to end this off-topic congo-line. If we want a feels thread someone can start one, but I was pretty much done venting after having a go at Big-Willie-Styles (Whom deserved it) so I'm good. I love you all, well.. Except for those I really don't like. This thread's original purpose is ded, D.E.D, ded.

I hear a bunch of German citizens tried having a similar march in the 1940s down the streets of France and out of the blue the whole damn country just up and surrendered. . . . I kid I kid. . . . . well mostly.

Apparently he's gone on record on facebook stating "Break whatever unconstitutional law you choose," according to the Washington Post. He also wont do the march unless 10000 people sign up, as he apparently expects only 10% of these will show up. I'm trying to think of ways he could make this more likely to backfire and the only thing that comes to mind is booze.

Kopikatsu:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Well, Soviet Steve seems to do okay. Whether he is actually communist or not is still a mystery, but he plays the part really well either way.

Soviet Steve seems to largely be satirical, although there are a few 'serious' posts made. I could be wrong and he's completely serious, but that's what it seems like to me.

On a sidenote, I'm surprised you didn't add me in your list of 'the crazies', considering that while I'm center on social issues, I'm very high on the 'Authoritarian' scale of things. Had I been born in 1920's Germany, I likely would have ended up being a member of the Gestapo or Stasi. Well, if they didn't ship me off for being a Jew first, I guess.

I'm open to questions if there's this much speculation, the majority of what i write is serious. I'll do a thread on what I believe and why once I'm done moving, right now all I have is the time procrastination allows.

Seanchaidh:

ravenshrike:
The real question is whether the FBI will plant a shooter like at Kent State. All other concerns are rather secondary.

Yeah. If shooting just happens regardless, that's rather secondary.

It is highly unlikely that spontaneous shooting will break out among one of the most law abiding segments of the population. Thus the question of whether or not the feebs will try to plant an agent provocateur. Dangerous maneuver in the days of smartphones however. Not to mention all the media cameras that will be about.

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