Why do some leftists dislike jews?

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Before anyone goes crazy, re-read my question and take a look at the word SOME.

Ok, good.

Now, I get it why some far-right groups like neo-nazis dislike jews, but what is up with some people on the left hating on them as well? Is there anything special driving their dislike?

its not usually "Jews" but "zionists".

as for why...simplistically put...one group of people laying serious claim to being "the chosen ones" is usually bad news for everyone else around (source: history!)...that and if someone turned up in my country and tried to claim ownership to of it off the back of a thousands of years old religious book i'd probably line up to kill them myself...that said Isreal exists so my support goes to those non fundamentalist Israelis and Jews who seek a pragmatic solution...and there plenty of Jews who don't agree with Israeli "zionism"...

also please don't call people "leftists".
that's a term that's recently been adopted by the self styled "right" as a deliberate slur.
most people, like all existing political systems, are of a "mixed" persuasion.
a binary view of the situation is both a fallacy and a flaw.

Possibly the state of Israel, it can be (rightly or wrongly) said that opposition to it's existence/policies can blur over into anti-semitism in any given person.

And/or positions of power being held by Jewish people in the US, I guess.

I would have said that it was mostly because racism is prevalent more or less everywhere, nothing special about it.

I think it's just a cultural thing.
Jews were hated by many nations in the past for various reasons. A lot of people today that supposedly hate Jews have never even met a single Jew but the hate was taught to them by their family and other people around them, sometimes even the media and the education system (history books in some countries paint a pretty negative picture of Jews).
When these people are asked why specifically they hate Jews, they mostly answer with a few remarks regarding the stereotypes of Jews and not with actual concrete reasons.

Why do some right-wingers dislike Jews?

You aren't asking about left-wingers who dislike Jews (I hope), you're asking about left-wingers who dislike Zionists and the state of Israel, and that, I think, has to do with the perception some have that Israel has committed some pretty bad human rights violations, and that their claim to the land is seen as illegitimate in some circles.

They don't. They get accused of disliking Jews because they don't support Israel. Sure, there are genuine anti-semites, just as there are racists in every circle, but there are still significantly less on the left than there are on the right.

Sleekit:
its not usually "Jews" but "zionists".

as for why...simplistically put...one group of people laying serious claim to being "the chosen ones" is usually bad news for everyone else around (source: history!)...that and if someone turned up in my country and tried to claim ownership to of it off the back of a thousands of years old religious book i'd probably line up to kill them myself...that said Isreal exists so my support goes to those non fundamentalist Israelis and Jews who seek a pragmatic solution...and there plenty of Jews who don't agree with Israeli "zionism"...

also please don't call people "leftists".
that's a term that's recently been adopted by the self styled "right" as a deliberate slur.
most people, like all existing political systems, are of a "mixed" persuasion.
a binary view of the situation is both a fallacy and a flaw.

I can't see how the jews are the only ones laying the claim of being the chosen ones. That is basically religion in general atleast the abrahamic religions.

They "hate" jews because of Israel, and the whole Zionist trying to take over the whole world conspiracies.

Gergar12:
They "hate" jews because of Israel, and the whole Zionist trying to take over the whole world conspiracies.

Then you have to ask why conspiracy stuff about Zionists and world domination is so popular, though.

Leftism is based on egalitarianism. Therefore, no leftist ideology is anti-Jewish. However, on that same basis of egalitarianism, every leftist should be anti-Zionist.

thaluikhain:

Gergar12:
They "hate" jews because of Israel, and the whole Zionist trying to take over the whole world conspiracies.

Then you have to ask why conspiracy stuff about Zionists and world domination is so popular, though.

Pretty simple, really. People want someone to blame, someone to make them a victim, so that they can blame the external world for setbacks without ever having to take a look at themselves.

It's the same reason a lot of Republicans take the credit for their success, then turn around and blame "the system" for their failures.

2012 Wont Happen:
Leftism is based on egalitarianism. Therefore, no really leftist ideology is anti-Jewish.

You mean No True Leftsman is anti-Jewish, though, there's all sorts of at least nominally leftwing ideologies.

thaluikhain:

2012 Wont Happen:
Leftism is based on egalitarianism. Therefore, no really leftist ideology is anti-Jewish.

You mean No True Leftsman is anti-Jewish, though, there's all sorts of at least nominally leftwing ideologies.

North Korea is nominally a democratic republic.

Being a Scotsman is something that either objectively is or is not. In matters of political labeling you have to consider the historic and philosophical basis of an ideology when placing it, so it is not a no true Scotsman situation. If an ideology is racist, it is not leftist, just as an ideogy that promotes laissez faire is not leftist even if its adherents wave red flags and worship the ghost of Lenin.

Ubermensch90:
Pretty simple, really. People want someone to blame, someone to make them a victim, so that they can blame the external world for setbacks without ever having to take a look at themselves.

It's the same reason a lot of Republicans take the credit for their success, then turn around and blame "the system" for their failures.

Oh certainly, I meant why the Zionist conspiracy is popular compared to any other potential one. It has to be built upon existing attitudes, which exist for other reasons.

2012 Wont Happen:
North Korea is nominally a democratic republic.

Being a Scotsman is something that either objectively is or is not. In matters of political labeling you have to consider the historic and philosophical basis of an ideology when placing it, so it is not a no true Scotsman situation. If an ideology is racist, it is not leftist, just as an ideogy that promotes laissez faire is not leftist even if its adherents wave red flags and worship the ghost of Lenin.

That's true, what I meant was that "Left" and "Right" are often used as a simple binary. You have ideologies that are egalitarian on a number of issues and are seen to be left wing because of it, despite their attitudes to other ones.

2012 Wont Happen:

thaluikhain:

2012 Wont Happen:
Leftism is based on egalitarianism. Therefore, no really leftist ideology is anti-Jewish.

You mean No True Leftsman is anti-Jewish, though, there's all sorts of at least nominally leftwing ideologies.

North Korea is nominally a democratic republic.

Being a Scotsman is something that either objectively is or is not. In matters of political labeling you have to consider the historic and philosophical basis of an ideology when placing it, so it is not a no true Scotsman situation. If an ideology is racist, it is not leftist, just as an ideogy that promotes laissez faire is not leftist even if its adherents wave red flags and worship the ghost of Lenin.

The problem with that is that there's quite a bit more components to an ideology. What if all the rest would be in line with it, then what do you actually call it?

Master of the Skies:

2012 Wont Happen:

thaluikhain:

You mean No True Leftsman is anti-Jewish, though, there's all sorts of at least nominally leftwing ideologies.

North Korea is nominally a democratic republic.

Being a Scotsman is something that either objectively is or is not. In matters of political labeling you have to consider the historic and philosophical basis of an ideology when placing it, so it is not a no true Scotsman situation. If an ideology is racist, it is not leftist, just as an ideogy that promotes laissez faire is not leftist even if its adherents wave red flags and worship the ghost of Lenin.

The problem with that is that there's quite a bit more components to an ideology. What if all the rest would be in line with it, then what do you actually call it?

More to the point, this thread is titled "Why do some leftists dislike jews", not "Why are some leftist ideologies anti-jewish".

thaluikhain:

Ubermensch90:
Pretty simple, really. People want someone to blame, someone to make them a victim, so that they can blame the external world for setbacks without ever having to take a look at themselves.

It's the same reason a lot of Republicans take the credit for their success, then turn around and blame "the system" for their failures.

Oh certainly, I meant why the Zionist conspiracy is popular compared to any other potential one. It has to be built upon existing attitudes, which exist for other reasons.

Well, we can't have those uppity Jews up and thinking they get a state, can we? They already own Hollywood and all the banks, and now they want a whole country, too?! I tell ya, we don't take a stand against this now, blah blah blah

Well, to answer the question in the OP in the most literal fashion:

"Because you get haters in all kinds of places."

But as has been noted a few times, I also have to note, "hating Jews" and "being real peeved about Israel and its antics" are hardly the same thing. Basically, many people see Israel as that annoying kid who'd bully other kids at school and then threaten with his big brother if they try to get back at him. Doesn't mean they actually hate Jews.

Gergar12:
I can't see how the jews are the only ones laying the claim of being the chosen ones. That is basically religion in general atleast the abrahamic religions.

and here i was thinking we were all Gods children...

Sleekit:
its not usually "Jews" but "zionists".

Yeah, remember that left-wing groups may tend to be antinationalistic. Zionism is kind of the antithesis to that.
Plus, a lot of left-wingers feel sympathy with the Palestinian civilian population, so they dislike a lot of things the Israeli government does (note the distinction there: civilians versus government, not people versus people).
As such, left-wingers may often have issues with Israel... which is distinct from disliking Jews.

OP, do you have experiences with left-wingers disliking Jews in their own countries etc. or are you conflating dislike for Israel (primarily Israel's government) with dislike for Jews?

Because Israel is currently performing the most significant genocide since the 1940s -- at least, that is a commonly held and fairly understandable viewpoint. Israel is essentially the last colony kicking the natives off their land too.

Fireaxe:
Because Israel is currently performing the most significant genocide since the 1940s -- at least, that is a commonly held and fairly understandable viewpoint. Israel is essentially the last colony kicking the natives off their land too.

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we're forgetting stuff like the khmer rogue, yugoslavia and rwanda. This is just the tip of the iceburge. Plus what you've said about israel is dead wrong, but who am I to argue with your convincing evidence?

The left is not anti-israel from what I can gather. Certain people on the far left are. Or at least here in Sweden. From what I can gather it stems from a combination of legitimate criticism, just all around wanting something to protest against and ignorance of Israel´s history. A lot of these people seriously believe that there was an independent country in the Palestine area and then the UN just up and gave that place to a bunch of jews. And they´re not really interested in learning about things like mandatory Palestine that would question how they see things.

It's about Israel, not about Jews.

Well the liberal left wing (that is, the left wing in the USA, which is still liberal like the right wing) objects to Israel because it sees it as excessively belligerent in its foreign policy and unwilling to negotiate for peace rather than for domination.

The global left wing (Socialists and such) object to it for many of the same reasons, with the additional objection to the inegalitarian nature of Zionism.

The global super left wing (communists and such) object to the nationalism, because communism categorises people first by their class, not by their country.

thaluikhain:

Gergar12:
They "hate" jews because of Israel, and the whole Zionist trying to take over the whole world conspiracies.

Then you have to ask why conspiracy stuff about Zionists and world domination is so popular, though.

A thousand years ago or so, Judaism was the only religion in the Mediterranean/European/Middle Eastern region that allowed the lending of money with interest. So they naturally became bankers, grew wealthy, and people generally aren't overly fond of an ethnic group that is a magnitude wealthier than anyone else. This led to the ruling classes to blame the Jews for various problems, which go people persecuting them.

And the rest is history.

Why do some right wingers dislike, dunno, anyone?
People have opinions, some more and some less justified.
Before anyone can even try to answer the question properly, it needs way more background on what the person asking meant, and why.

Danny Ocean beat me in neatly summing up why some leftists dislike Jews.

If you hear what you perceive to be anti-Jewish sentiment then more likely than not it is propagated by liberal-left types against the state of Israel rather than Jews themselves. Israel get's a lot of criticism from the left, some of it fair and some of it not in my view. It's quite interesting though how the actions of a small state in the Middle East can get people riled up so easily- The stuff that Israelis and Palestinians have done to each other is quite mild compared to the shit that goes on in many African states.

hakkarin:
but what is up with some people on the left hating on them as well? Is there anything special driving their dislike?

The Israel-Palestine conflict mainly. Left-wing/liberal consensus seems to overwhelmingly favour the underdog in any given situation, and Islamophobia seems to be considered a greater "disprivelege" than anti-Semitism, so it's very easy to weave Israel-Palestine into a good guys vs bad guys narrative.

I have issues with the Israeli government, its policies and Zionism in general, but that doesn't mean that I dislike Jews, or that I'm even opposed to a Jewish State. I just think it's stupid to give a country to a group of people just cause tradition dictates and let them to what they want because they're a key ally despite having most of their power based on said relationship.

Basically, I like the idea of Israel, but not the execution.

Batou667:

hakkarin:
but what is up with some people on the left hating on them as well? Is there anything special driving their dislike?

The Israel-Palestine conflict mainly. Left-wing/liberal consensus seems to overwhelmingly favour the underdog in any given situation, and Islamophobia seems to be considered a greater "disprivelege" than anti-Semitism, so it's very easy to weave Israel-Palestine into a good guys vs bad guys narrative.

Yes, why not boil down a complex issue into the most simplistic, unimportant factors you can? After all, these are liberals we're talking about; they can't have any legitimate reasons like any of the ones mentioned previously in this very thread. No, they have to have something stupid and petty like preferring one bigotry over another or inherently favoring the underdog as their reasons.

LifeCharacter:

Yes, why not boil down a complex issue into the most simplistic, unimportant factors you can?

Because prejudice - and that's what a lot of anti-Israeli sentiment is - doesn't require sophistication?

I'm not saying any of the other factors people have mentioned are necessarily incorrect.

Fireaxe:
Because Israel is currently performing the most significant genocide since the 1940s -- at least, that is a commonly held and fairly understandable viewpoint. Israel is essentially the last colony kicking the natives off their land too.

Genocide!?! WTF The word must have lost its meaning or you have selectively redefined it. I suspect the latter. The Palestinian population has exploded since the founding of Israel.

I was actually thinking about this the other day, back in college there seemed to be a anti jew sentiment among the more far left. There was this undercurrent of jew's running the world conspiracy junk that I could never figure out why it came about.

Charles_Martel:
The Palestinian population has exploded since the founding of Israel.

For certain Palestinians that's not a metaphor.

RhombusHatesYou:

Charles_Martel:
The Palestinian population has exploded since the founding of Israel.

For certain Palestinians that's not a metaphor.

Sometimes I think Israel places a higher value on a Palestinian life than Palestinians do.

hakkarin:
Before anyone goes crazy, re-read my question and take a look at the word SOME.

Ok, good.

Now, I get it why some far-right groups like neo-nazis dislike jews, but what is up with some people on the left hating on them as well? Is there anything special driving their dislike?

Easy scapegoat, and there always those who like to believe in conspiracy theories.

Fireaxe:
Because Israel is currently performing the most significant genocide since the 1940s -- at least, that is a commonly held and fairly understandable viewpoint. Israel is essentially the last colony kicking the natives off their land too.

The natives? Hardly, considering that some of the most famous buildings in east Jerusalem are the most sacred places for Jews in the world and are ancient Jewish temples. You seem to have Israel and Jews confused with America and European settlers.

Sleekit:

that and if someone turned up in my country and tried to claim ownership to of it off the back of a thousands of years old religious book

What? Jewish claims for Israel are not just "off the back of a thousands of years old religious book". You do realize that there is credible historical proof that Jews lived in modern day Israel prior to the 1940s and that it is the place where Jews lived in ancient times, yes? Just look at the Arch of Titus to see proof that Jews lived in Jerusalem(and the surrounding area) in ancient times.

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