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So, no one's gonna comment on the fact that Trump lied to Comey about how long he stayed in Moscow during his 2013 trip and how bizarre his lies were?

"Trump lied"
As he's done many times, and nobody with the power to do anything about it does anything about it.
Throw it on the pile with the rest of Trump's lies and wake me up when something new happens.

So can anyone explain to me what's going on with the whole Democrats suing Russia thing? What's happened now to prompt that?

Dr. Thrax:
"Trump lied"
As he's done many times, and nobody with the power to do anything about it does anything about it.
Throw it on the pile with the rest of Trump's lies and wake me up when something new happens.

But lost his pee-tape alibi. And the way he lied about it was pretty telling. He brought up prostitutes for no reason. He could have just said that he didn't stay more than one night. The guy lies like a retarded child. Not that it's really about a pee-tape. I guess that pee-tape could also be real, but that's not what Trump is really scared of. I explained on the previous page what the real story is.

TrulyBritish:
So can anyone explain to me what's going on with the whole Democrats suing Russia thing? What's happened now to prompt that?

According to their legal team, they're running up against statute of limitations concerns. Guess they planned to bring the suit all along? It's hypocritical in the extreme either way.

Seanchaidh:

TrulyBritish:
So can anyone explain to me what's going on with the whole Democrats suing Russia thing? What's happened now to prompt that?

According to their legal team, they're running up against statute of limitations concerns. Guess they planned to bring the suit all along? It's hypocritical in the extreme either way.

Huh, the SoL is running out already?
Not sure I understand what you mean by it being hypocritical though?

TrulyBritish:

Seanchaidh:

TrulyBritish:
So can anyone explain to me what's going on with the whole Democrats suing Russia thing? What's happened now to prompt that?

According to their legal team, they're running up against statute of limitations concerns. Guess they planned to bring the suit all along? It's hypocritical in the extreme either way.

Huh, the SoL is running out already?
Not sure I understand what you mean by it being hypocritical though?

If they were so concerned about "democracy" and "meddling in elections", they wouldn't have sabotaged the GOP primary. Or biased their own primary. If they thought "collusion" was some great crime, they wouldn't have been using Ukrainian officials to compile their oppo research on Trump.

Seanchaidh:

TrulyBritish:

Seanchaidh:

According to their legal team, they're running up against statute of limitations concerns. Guess they planned to bring the suit all along? It's hypocritical in the extreme either way.

Huh, the SoL is running out already?
Not sure I understand what you mean by it being hypocritical though?

If they were so concerned about "democracy" and "meddling in elections", they wouldn't have sabotaged the GOP primary.

I'd love to see what you mean by this. Sources please.

Seanchaidh:
Or biased their own primary.

I'm sure you've been told this before, but a political party's nomination process is not anywhere near the same thing as a government election. It's on the same terms as a home owners' association election actually; they're both private clubs. That doesn't make what happened right or ethical, but it's a far cry from illegality.

Seanchaidh:
If they thought "collusion" was some great crime, they wouldn't have been using Ukrainian officials to compile their oppo research on Trump.

You still refuse to acknowledge that the investigation into Russian election interference in Trump's favor as proven by every intelligence agency and federal law enforcement investigation to date isn't made up.

Hillary can be a bad/evil/corrupt/etc person/candidate/politician/etc while still been the target of illegal activities during the election. Stop playing team sports mate; it's bad for you and for the country. Part of the reason the far left is treated so shitty in the US is because of the need to engage in conspiracy theories and prioritize cannibalizing moderates over pushing back against the right.

So the dum dum in chief decided to have an "interview" on Fox and Friends this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lu_Hgw60Ns I highly suggest everyone watch this for themselves. I'm bringing it up in this thread, because this rant of his was particularly unhinged and he incriminated himself again. Also he rambled about getting involved in Justice Department affairs multiple times. He must really be craving to shut this whole thing down and anything even remotely involved with it.

Avnger:
Stop playing team sports mate

You cannot possibly be serious.

But in case you are:

Sabotage of GOP primary:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428

Yes, the Pied Piper strategy. MSNBC and CNN (and others) colluded with the Clinton campaign to elevate Trump and cause him to win the Republican primary.

Avnger:
I'm sure you've been told this before, but a political party's nomination process is not anywhere near the same thing as a government election. It's on the same terms as a home owners' association election actually; they're both private clubs. That doesn't make what happened right or ethical, but it's a far cry from illegality.

Hypocrisy isn't illegal either. And neither (apparently) is making a fraud of your party organization's rules and bylaws.

Avnger:
You still refuse to acknowledge that the investigation into Russian election interference in Trump's favor as proven by every intelligence agency and federal law enforcement investigation to date isn't made up.

I apologize for not properly taking into account the brutal effectiveness of this ad in undermining support for Hillary Clinton:

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Nedoras:
So the dum dum in chief decided to have an "interview" on Fox and Friends this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lu_Hgw60Ns I highly suggest everyone watch this for themselves. I'm bringing it up in this thread, because this rant of his was particularly unhinged and he incriminated himself again. Also he rambled about getting involved in Justice Department affairs multiple times. He must really be craving to shut this whole thing down and anything even remotely involved with it.

Oh, that was funny.

This is exactly why lawyers always advise their clients to STFU when they're involved in legal proceedings. For most people, they can go out and say a whole bunch of irreverent shit in a conversation without there being any immediate consequence. For a person involved in legal proceedings, every word out of their mouth is evidence. And even seemingly innocuous statements can be used as the lynchpin of a legal maneouvre.

To wit; prosecutors are already using Trump's claim that Michael Cohen only ever did "a tiny, tiny little fraction" of Trump's overall legal work to justify the discovery of the vast majority of documents seized from Cohen's office on the basis that if only a tiny fraction of Cohen's work consisted of legal advice to the President, then the President and Cohen cannot claim attorney-client privilege to prevent the documents from being used as evidence. Attorney-client privilege only applies to documents relating to an attorney's work for a client, and if Trump is to be believed when he says that Cohen did very little of his legal work, that means their relationship was not that of an attorney working for a client; therefore, the majority of Trump-related correspondence captured from the Cohen raid is not covered by attorney-client privilege.

To Trump, this statement was intended to provide him with cover - his usual tactic of claiming that he had nothing to do with the person who has most recently been caught doing unsavory things in his orbit. Steve Bannon was "a staffer" who "has nothing to do with" the administration. Paul Manafort played "a very limited role for a very limited period of time." George Papadopolous was "the coffee boy." Michael Flynn was "given the highest security clearance by the Obama Administration." He's trying to say 'to the extent that this person who worked for me did anything illegal, they were not working for me when they did it.'

The problem is that Trump's a fucking dipshit, so he doesn't actually say that. What he does do is tell a self-serving lie that, due to his own incompetence, ends up working against his self-interest. Like when he went on Twitter to claim that he knew that Flynn had lied to the FBI before he'd fired him - meaning that he knew Flynn was guilty of a crime when he was pressuring James Comey to drop the investigation into whether he'd committed a crime. They ended up having to attribute that tweet to one of his lawyers to avoid essentially admitting to obstruction of justice.

The only thing funnier that Trump's stupidity are people who think that he's going to get away with this shit because OMG REPUBLICANS ARE IN CHARGE. Nooooooope.

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Adam Jensen:
The only thing funnier that Trump's stupidity are people who think that he's going to get away with this shit because OMG REPUBLICANS ARE IN CHARGE. Nooooooope.

Yeah but....
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/us/politics/house-intelligence-committee-russia-investigation-report.html
Republicans on House Intelligence Panel Absolve Trump Campaign in Russian Meddling

They weren't even looking for collusion. Also, Nunes is fucked.

Kwak:

Adam Jensen:
The only thing funnier that Trump's stupidity are people who think that he's going to get away with this shit because OMG REPUBLICANS ARE IN CHARGE. Nooooooope.

Yeah but....
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/us/politics/house-intelligence-committee-russia-investigation-report.html
Republicans on House Intelligence Panel Absolve Trump Campaign in Russian Meddling

Yes, That was expected since Nunes thought it was his job to block the investigation and run to Trump with anything they find immediately before anyone else found out about it. They are not looking out for the Country, or the people, only themselves.

People need a refresher:

Even as Nixon aides resigned and the Watergate controversy grew around the president in 1973, many congressional Republicans were arguing that the investigations of the president were overly aggressive. Two future GOP presidents, George H.W. Bush (then chairman of the Republican National Committee) and Reagan (then governor of California), called Nixon and assured him that he could get through the scandal. Things escalated in October 1973 when Nixon ordered the firing of the special prosecutor investigating his administration, leading both the attorney general and deputy attorney general to resign, in what is now known as the "Saturday Night Massacre."

But Nixon retained party loyalists in Congress even after that dramatic move to stop those investigating him. The House Judiciary Committee held a series of votes about recommending Nixon's impeachment in July 1974. All 21 committee Democrats, and six committee Republicans, voted for the first article of impeachment, which essentially accused Nixon of obstructing the investigation of the Watergate break-in. The other 11 Republicans voted against that article. There were three articles of impeachment against Nixon. Nineteen Democrats voted for all three articles of impeachment. Just one Republican did. A majority of the Republicans on the committee, 10 of the 17, voted against all three articles

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/even-the-biggest-scandals-cant-kill-party-loyalty/

ALSO, not that I think anyone missed this but still..

"Comey would not, among other things, say that he wasn't a target of the investigation," Giuliani said. "So he fired him, and he said, "I'm free of this guy."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/opinion/rudy-giuliani-mueller-trump.html

So Yes, one of Trumps Lawyers came out and said that Trump Fired Comey because he would not tell him he was not the target of the Russia investigation. Of course Trump already came out and told everyone that he fired Comey over the Russia investigation, but then he keeps changing his stories so at this point, who knows he could look at the tape of him saying he fired Comey over Russia and claim he didn't say that. That figures though he has claimed he didn't say/do many things he did very publicly and on video even after he sees the footage!

Though most media focused on the judge grilling prosecutors, this may have been missed:

one of the prosecutors, Michael Dreeben, made a telling admission to Ellis near the end that offers an important clue about Mueller's case against Paul Manafort, the former chairman of President Donald Trump's campaign.

When Dreeben countered and said the allegations in the Virginia case were within the scope of Mueller's mandate, Ellis replied, referencing one of the charges: "The scope covers bank fraud from 2005?"

"How does this have anything to do with the campaign?" Ellis asked, according to The Wall Street Journal. When Dreeben said Manafort had been in contact with individuals in Ukraine who are affiliated with Russia and pro-Russian interests, Ellis accused Dreeben of "running away from my question."

Dreeben said Mueller's office takes its "primary mission" of investigating Russia's election meddling and possible collusion with the Trump campaign "very seriously." He added that had prosecutors found evidence of criminal activity that was not necessarily related to Mueller's mandate, they would have referred it to another office.

According to The Journal, Ellis then pointed out that Mueller's office had made one such referral to the US attorney's office for the Southern District of New York regarding Michael Cohen, Trump's longtime personal lawyer.

Dreeben's statement to Ellis raises the possibility that the charges Mueller's office has leveled against Manafort that relate to his Ukraine lobbying work may also be connected to Russian collusion, legal experts said.

"Dreeben's statement that Manafort was in touch with Russians in Ukraine was responsive to the judge's question," said Jeffrey Cramer, a former federal prosecutor in Chicago who spent 12 years at the Justice Department.

"If prosecutors got information that Manafort was talking to relevant Russians - not just a Russian cabbie in Kiev - but relevant Russians, and then uncover evidence of criminal wrongdoing related to his Ukraine work as a result, there's your nexus," he added.

http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-ukraine-charges-related-to-russia-mueller-says-2018-5

This Will Be Interesting.

Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators have questioned a Russian oligarch about hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments his company's US affiliate made to President Donald Trump's personal attorney, Michael Cohen, after the election, according to a source familiar with the matter.

Viktor Vekselberg, chairman of asset manager Renova Group, is an oligarch close to Vladimir Putin, and last month the Trump administration placed him on a list of sanctioned Russians for activities including election interference. The purpose of the payments, which predate the sanctions, and the nature of the business relationship between Vekselberg and Cohen is unclear.
The scrutiny of the payments could add to the legal troubles for Cohen, whose home and office were raided last month as part of a criminal investigation by federal prosecutors in Manhattan. In court documents, the prosecutors said at least part of their inquiry stemmed from a referral from Mueller's office.

The questions asked of Vekselberg suggest that Mueller investigators have been examining some of Cohen's business relationships as part of the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. Vekselberg is one of two Russian oligarchs the FBI stopped earlier this year after their private jets landed in New York-area airports as part of Mueller's investigation.
Investigators also asked Vekselberg about donations the head of his US affiliate made to Trump's inaugural fund and campaign funds, sources said.

The attorney for Stormy Daniels -- the porn star who received $130,000 to keep quiet about an alleged affair she had with Trump a decade ago -- produced information Tuesday evening that appears to add further details to CNN's reporting. Michael Avenatti alleged that Cohen received half a million dollars from a company affiliated with Vekselberg in the months after the presidential election.
Avenatti alleged the $500,000 went into the bank account for Essential Consultants, a shell company that Cohen set up before the election that was used to pay Daniels. Avenatti added that the payments occurred from January to August 2017.

CNN has reviewed documents that appear to show these payments. CNN has not independently authenticated the documents.

Suddenly, Stormy Daniels seems very important. Absolute links between Cohen paying her through these accounts, Cohen supposedly only having three clients, and these sums of money appearing AFTER the election without any business seemingly have come from it here in May of 2018... well, that's a bad that will be very amusing to see him Tap Dance Out Of if authenticated to be true.

Remember, Cohen wasn't just Trump's lawyer. He was also deputy finance chair of RNC. Lots of people are going to prison. Unless they cooperate or have cooperated.

Are you finally starting to get why Trump isn't getting out of this one? You simply can't spin this latest revelation.

ObsidianJones:
This Will Be Interesting. (snipped for space)

Suddenly, Stormy Daniels seems very important. Absolute links between Cohen paying her through these accounts, Cohen supposedly only having three clients, and these sums of money appearing AFTER the election without any business seemingly have come from it here in May of 2018... well, that's a bad that will be very amusing to see him Tap Dance Out Of if authenticated to be true.

Yea turns out that Trumps Mr. fix it was taking " pay for play" to a whole new level. He was taking money from At&T, Russians, Pharma... Also turns out the Russians involved ALSO set up some alt right websites. GO FIGURE.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/09/russia-linked-company-that-hired-michael-cohen-registered-alt-right-websites-during-election/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1c927105beb0

http://fortune.com/2018/05/09/novartis-cohen-payment/
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/05/10/att-earns-swampy-scarlet-letter-paying600000-trumps-fixer

Sadly people ranted about people giving money to the Clinton's charity that literally saved millions of lives claiming pay for play then they put into office a REAL pay for play that only goes to fund their corruption helping no one but themselves and the people who ranted about actual charity funds remain silent on this. Yea right.

I don't want to hear anyone try to tell us but but the Dems/Clintons/Hillary just as bad nonsense. Trump didn't even understand what a charity was for and when he was caught robbing the charity, he shut it down and just started taking in funds directly via Mar a Lago, hotels and his lawyer.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#374822806b4a

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-final-2016-presidential-debate/trump-appears-to-admit-using-charity-money-to-settle-lawsuit/

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-family-foundation-investigation

He is just taking corruption to a whole new level.

Trying to compare that garbage to this? WTH is wrong with people?!
https://www.denverpost.com/2017/01/13/clinton-foundation-has-saved-millions-of-lives/
http://fortune.com/2016/08/27/clinton-foundation-health-work/

You know how Fridays tend to be really bad for Trump and his White House? Fingers crossed.

Adam Jensen:
You know how Fridays tend to be really bad for Trump and his White House? Fingers crossed.

So how'd that go, anyway?

Adam Jensen:
The only thing funnier that Trump's stupidity are people who think that he's going to get away with this shit because OMG REPUBLICANS ARE IN CHARGE. Nooooooope.

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Well, if the train takes another three years to reach its destination, then it doesn't matter a great deal whether it was unstoppable.

Seanchaidh:
So how'd that go, anyway?

Why don't you ask Devin Nunes?

I expected this to be reported in the news, but for some reason it wasn't. Anyway, several Congressional staffers were instructed to keep their distance from Devin Nunes and the rest of the GOP House Intel committee because they're targets of several criminal investigations, including Special Counsel's office.

It was kind of obvious that Nunes is fucked. I only wish I knew if Trey Gowdy is a target or a cooperating witness. There is no third option.

Adam Jensen:

Seanchaidh:
So how'd that go, anyway?

Why don't you ask Devin Nunes?

I expected this to be reported in the news, but for some reason it wasn't. Anyway, several Congressional staffers were instructed to keep their distance from Devin Nunes and the rest of the GOP House Intel committee because they're targets of several criminal investigations, including Special Counsel's office.

It was kind of obvious that Nunes is fucked. I only wish I knew if Trey Gowdy is a target or a cooperating witness. There is no third option.

You think the Mueller investigation is not being covered sufficiently..?

Seanchaidh:
You think the Mueller investigation is not being covered sufficiently..?

It's not just Mueller that's investigating Nunes. And I'm just wondering why the story isn't out. I know for a fact that NYT knows about it. Perhaps the source didn't want to go on record? It doesn't matter though. The public will find out eventually.

Holy fuck, it took me two hours to be able to post this. I've been having weird issues with 502 and 504 errors on The Escapist. But it only happens in the forums. Front page works without issues.

Adam Jensen:
I've been having weird issues with 502 and 504 errors on The Escapist.

Same.

Pretty wild day in Trumpland today. Lots of info finally coming out in the public about Kushner, Dotard, Dotard Junior, Russians, Cambridge Analitica etc. Fun for the whole family. Unless it's the Trump family lol.

Adam Jensen:
Pretty wild day in Trumpland today. Lots of info finally coming out in the public about Kushner, Dotard, Dotard Junior, Russians, Cambridge Analitica etc. Fun for the whole family. Unless it's the Trump family lol.

From the looks of it though they have to wait until they have a democratic congress to be able to do anything about it. They do not need to " get away with it" they just need to " get away with it long enough".

Silvanus:
Well, if the train takes another three years to reach its destination, then it doesn't matter a great deal whether it was unstoppable.

I think it's likely that the train will eventually arrive, the impeachment circus will disembark and unfold itself around the station, and the American populace will respond with a resounding "meh."

We already know Trump is dirty. We know his family is dirty. We know his administration is dirty. We know his sons tried to dig up dirt on Clinton from the Russian government way back in 2016. We know Trump lied about that. We know Trump's campaign knew about the Russian's responsibility for the DNC leaks; we know Trump lied about that too. We know that he tried to cover it up and admitted he was doing that on-camera. We also know that in comparison to historical special prosecutors, the Mueller probe is proceeding like greased fucking lightning; they're a year in and have already produced about two dozen indictments and a handful of guilty pleas.

There's no smoking gun waiting in the next couple of years because the gun's already been found. Every possible reason a person could rationally have for believing that Donald Trump is intolerably corrupt is already public knowledge. If the voters cannot accept that truth right now - and when it comes to Republicans, they aren't - then nothing that comes out of the Mueller probe is going to change their mind.

Lol, you don't even have to know anything about the investigation to arrive at the conclusion that something BIG is about to drop soon. Just look at Trump's latest paranoid tweets. He clearly knows that something big is coming. My guess, Americans are about to get indicted this time. Americans close to Trump. Perhaps Dotard Jr.

Adam Jensen:
Lol, you don't even have to know anything about the investigation to arrive at the conclusion that something BIG is about to drop soon. Just look at Trump's latest paranoid tweets. He clearly knows that something big is coming. My guess, Americans are about to get indicted this time. Americans close to Trump. Perhaps Dotard Jr.

What is to stop his Daddy and his flying monkeys in congress from protecting him though? If Mueller goes after him, then Daddy can just pardon or Congress can try to shut them down. If he turns it over to the state, His Daddy and his flying monkeys can pressure the governor or the DA in that state to do the same. It is going to be one hell of a fight no matter which way you look at it to actually be able to prosecute anything here until Trump and his goons are out of office.

Adam Jensen:
Lol, you don't even have to know anything about the investigation to arrive at the conclusion that something BIG is about to drop soon. Just look at Trump's latest paranoid tweets. He clearly knows that something big is coming. My guess, Americans are about to get indicted this time. Americans close to Trump. Perhaps Dotard Jr.

This just screams of overpositive thinking.
Like... as much as I want some big shit to drop on this like.. yesterday, I'm not going to hold my breath on it. While the investigation has made some incredibly rapid progress in indicting quite a number of Trump's people, I'd be hard pressed to classify anything Trump tweets as "paranoid" considering he's about as stable as some of my Bridge Constructor bridges. I know it's going to happen at some point but that could be in a week or in a year or two.

The problem, as bastardofmelbourne points out, is actually getting the American populace to finally admit he's a corrupt shithead, on which the nation is hardcore divided. Those who already knew Trump was corrupt were never gonna be in his camp, and those who didn't care or bought into the Fake News narrative are going to continue not caring and accepting that the media's just lying about him because they hate him for "being successful". We've got multiple smoking guns with Trump's fingerprints on them in bright neon colors and yet his following is as fervent as ever, and on top of the Mueller investigation we've got the Stormy Daniels Case. They have buried their heads so far into the sand that they're just gone.

Dr. Thrax:
This just screams of overpositive thinking.

The evidence against Trump is already overwhelming and rock solid. Just because you haven't seen it yet doesn't mean that it isn't there and that it won't explode once it is revealed. Just the stuff that I'm familiar with, which is basically second or third hand knowledge is enough to convince me that this won't end well for him and for a lot of people close to him. We're talking about financial crimes like fraud and money laundering, cyber crimes, conspiracy against the US, obstruction of justice etc. The FBI/ DOJ and the rest of the IC know exactly what they're doing. It's not their first rodeo.

Adam Jensen:
The evidence against Trump is already overwhelming and rock solid. Just because you haven't seen it yet doesn't mean that it isn't there and that it won't explode once it is revealed. Just the stuff that I'm familiar with, which is basically second or third hand knowledge is enough to convince me that this won't end well for him and for a lot of people close to him. We're talking about financial crimes like fraud and money laundering, cyber crimes, conspiracy against the US, obstruction of justice etc. The FBI/ DOJ and the rest of the IC know exactly what they're doing. It's not their first rodeo.

Look, all you've been saying these past few weeks is
"-Cackles mischievously- I know something you don't~!"

I know there's rock solid evidence against Trump. That's not the bloody point of what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is we don't fucking know when this bubble is going to burst and your insistence on things like "You don't even have to know anything to know that something big is going to happen soon" is riddled with nauseating amounts of optimism in a process that generally takes much longer. I'm personally not expecting anything super major to happen for at least another year - I'd be glad to be proven wrong if it happens earlier - but we don't know that "something big" is going to happen soon.

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