Zero Punctuation: Hot Coffee

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Hot Coffee

Yahtzee looks at the classic Hot Coffee controversy.

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Look, Yahtzee! All these wonderful classic games that deserve attention and recog... Oh, you're gonna talk about something nobody cares about anymore? Alright then.

Arnoxthe1:
Look, Yahtzee! All these wonderful classic games that deserve attention and recog... Oh, you're gonna talk about something nobody cares about anymore? Alright then.

I wish nobody cared, but given the current gun controversy, this shit is clearly still relevant.

Personally I'm just not giving a shit about them. They're like flat-earthers: obviously wrong, but unwilling to admit it, so what the hell are you supposed to do at this point? Just let them scream impotently.

Gul:

I wish nobody cared, but given the current gun controversy, this shit is clearly still relevant.

Personally I'm just not giving a shit about them. They're like flat-earthers: obviously wrong, but unwilling to admit it, so what the hell are you supposed to do at this point? Just let them scream impotently.

I don't know. It's like a deadlock of sorts. If we don't acknowledge it, it allows them to continue on with their bullshit but if we do acknowledge it and point it out, they just scream louder until our voices can't be heard.

Gul:

Arnoxthe1:
Look, Yahtzee! All these wonderful classic games that deserve attention and recog... Oh, you're gonna talk about something nobody cares about anymore? Alright then.

I wish nobody cared, but given the current gun controversy, this shit is clearly still relevant.

Personally I'm just not giving a shit about them. They're like flat-earthers: obviously wrong, but unwilling to admit it, so what the hell are you supposed to do at this point? Just let them scream impotently.

HazardousCube:

Gul:

I wish nobody cared, but given the current gun controversy, this shit is clearly still relevant.

Personally I'm just not giving a shit about them. They're like flat-earthers: obviously wrong, but unwilling to admit it, so what the hell are you supposed to do at this point? Just let them scream impotently.

I don't know. It's like a deadlock of sorts. If we don't acknowledge it, it allows them to continue on with their bullshit but if we do acknowledge it and point it out, they just scream louder until our voices can't be heard.

Let me just ask you two this then. Who deserves the attention? The idiots or the people who put their sweat and soul into something amazing?

I actually wouldn't even have brought this up in my first post in this thread but Yahtzee keeps doing this.

"References Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign"

Ugh...look, there were a bunch of different factors affecting that election's outcome. I don't need the reminder that the candidate who won the popular vote still lost to the worst possible candidate.

Dangeresque:
"References Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign"

Ugh...look, there were a bunch of different factors affecting that election's outcome, but I still don't need the reminder that the candidate who won the popular vote still lost to the worst possible candidate.

Technically second worst possible candidate, as candidates are only ever as good as the election they win.

As for Hot Coffee, damn isn't it quaint? In a world with sex scenes in Kingdom Come, House Party, and a host of others, a terribly modded poorly animated sex scene that makes the puppets from Team America look realistic was once considered the height of moral outrage.

So I'm guessing this is Yahtzee either trying to get fired from his contract or thinking he is invulnerable to moral guardian outrages.

Whew the R&P folks are gonna be mad about this one. Great take though, never compromise art for authoritarians.

Hooray! It's the return of "special" moments in Game History! And not just about one game or one company this time, it's a whole movement that won't just fucking die already!

wizzy555:
So I'm guessing this is Yahtzee either trying to get fired from his contract or thinking he is invulnerable to moral guardian outrages.

They'd never fire him; he's one of the few content creators still here keeping it afloat.

Arnoxthe1:

Gul:

Arnoxthe1:
Look, Yahtzee! All these wonderful classic games that deserve attention and recog... Oh, you're gonna talk about something nobody cares about anymore? Alright then.

I wish nobody cared, but given the current gun controversy, this shit is clearly still relevant.

Personally I'm just not giving a shit about them. They're like flat-earthers: obviously wrong, but unwilling to admit it, so what the hell are you supposed to do at this point? Just let them scream impotently.

HazardousCube:

Gul:

I wish nobody cared, but given the current gun controversy, this shit is clearly still relevant.

Personally I'm just not giving a shit about them. They're like flat-earthers: obviously wrong, but unwilling to admit it, so what the hell are you supposed to do at this point? Just let them scream impotently.

I don't know. It's like a deadlock of sorts. If we don't acknowledge it, it allows them to continue on with their bullshit but if we do acknowledge it and point it out, they just scream louder until our voices can't be heard.

Let me just ask you two this then. Who deserves the attention? The idiots or the people who put their sweat and soul into something amazing?

I actually wouldn't even have brought this up in my first post in this thread but Yahtzee keeps doing this.

That brings up what Yahtzee said at the end of the video, that there's usually someone profiting off this breed of stupidity, so they think it's in their best interests to keep it going. If it were me, I'd squeeze every last penny from those sucker-, I mean, passionate individuals, then move on to the next scam, um, business opportunity.

wizzy555:
So I'm guessing this is Yahtzee either trying to get fired from his contract or thinking he is invulnerable to moral guardian outrages.

ScaredIndie:
Whew the R&P folks are gonna be mad about this one. Great take though, never compromise art for authoritarians.

What's the big deal about this one I'm missing? Hot Coffee is like 10 years old at this point

Well done, sir.

Silentpony:

What's the big deal about this one I'm missing? Hot Coffee is like 10 years old at this point

The past is not only not dead, it's not even past.

StatusNil:
Well done, sir.

Silentpony:

What's the big deal about this one I'm missing? Hot Coffee is like 10 years old at this point

The past is not only not dead, it's not even past.

But current politics are a different thing. Now as then people are worried about violence is games and yadda yadda. But the Hot Coffee controversy was that a porn feature was in a game that hadn't been rated for porn. It was less 'Think of the children!' as it was a mature game already, and more 'yeah, you put Backdoor Sluts 9 in this and didn't report it.'

Good episode, but the DCEU is awesome.

Also Hilary did win the popular vote and only lost cause of Russia compromising the results:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-election/russians-compromised-election-systems-in-seven-states-nbc-news-idUSKCN1GC01E

Silentpony:

Dangeresque:
"References Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign"

Ugh...look, there were a bunch of different factors affecting that election's outcome, but I still don't need the reminder that the candidate who won the popular vote still lost to the worst possible candidate.

Technically second worst possible candidate, as candidates are only ever as good as the election they win.

As for Hot Coffee, damn isn't it quaint? In a world with sex scenes in Kingdom Come, House Party, and a host of others, a terribly modded poorly animated sex scene that makes the puppets from Team America look realistic was once considered the height of moral outrage.

second worst? who the hell could be worse then Trump?

Also long time no see, haven't seen you post on Jim Sterling's website for a long time, did you get banned from there or something?

The other reason the Hot Coffee controversy wouldn't happen today is that the "sex scene" in question was less explicit than the ones in Ride to Hell Retribution from what I've heard. Perhaps because they'd only gotten as far as making an unfinished placeholder for the real thing before they changed their minds.

darkrage6:

Silentpony:

Dangeresque:
"References Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign"

Ugh...look, there were a bunch of different factors affecting that election's outcome, but I still don't need the reminder that the candidate who won the popular vote still lost to the worst possible candidate.

Technically second worst possible candidate, as candidates are only ever as good as the election they win.

As for Hot Coffee, damn isn't it quaint? In a world with sex scenes in Kingdom Come, House Party, and a host of others, a terribly modded poorly animated sex scene that makes the puppets from Team America look realistic was once considered the height of moral outrage.

second worst? who the hell could be worse then Trump?

Also long time no see, haven't seen you post on Jim Sterling's website for a long time, did you get banned from there or something?

Hilary, as she lost to Trump. And winning was the goal of being a candidate.

As for Jim's site, nah. He switched commenting sites about a year or so ago, and I didn't want to make like a 3rd account, between this, and Disqus, just to comment on his site. Nothing bad happened, just don't want to keep logging in to different sites.

Arnoxthe1:
Look, Yahtzee! All these wonderful classic games that deserve attention and recog... Oh, you're gonna talk about something nobody cares about anymore? Alright then.

In Yahtzee's defense, according to Google, today is the 30th Anniversary of Pi Day!
So just be thankful today Yahtzee acknowledged GTA's Cream Pie instead of Ajit Pai.

...I don't get it.

darkrage6:
second worst? who the hell could be worse then Trump?

I maintain that Ted Cruz was/is worse than Trump. I was relieved to see him primaried out.

Ah... I needed that. Thanks Yahtzee, that made my day...

But seriously, the people responsible for video game-related moral outrages ever worth listening to? Or am I just jumping to conclusions?

darkrage6:
Good episode, but the DCEU is awesome.

Also Hilary did win the popular vote and only lost cause of Russia compromising the results:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-election/russians-compromised-election-systems-in-seven-states-nbc-news-idUSKCN1GC01E

Dangeresque:
"References Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign"

Ugh...look, there were a bunch of different factors affecting that election's outcome. I don't need the reminder that the candidate who won the popular vote still lost to the worst possible candidate.

Who the hell are we even kidding? They BOTH probably tried to rig the election. Trump just did it better and Hilary is pissy about it.

CrazyGirl17:
Ah... I needed that. Thanks Yahtzee, that made my day...

But seriously, the people responsible for video game-related moral outrages ever worth listening to? Or am I just jumping to conclusions?

To be fair, most moral outrages were simply viral marketing. Like how GTA was too violent and was gonna be banned? That was Rockstar, funding the entire thing, to get their game in the news and word spreading.

Arnoxthe1:
Look, Yahtzee! All these wonderful classic games that deserve attention and recog... Oh, you're gonna talk about something nobody cares about anymore? Alright then.

So you'd rather Yahtzee spend his time mercilessly mocking and ripping apart one of those classic games for its flaws and problems?

The Rogue Wolf:
So you'd rather Yahtzee spend his time mercilessly mocking and ripping apart one of those classic games for its flaws and problems?

Who says every game he reviews is ripped apart?

Who is "Team Hollywood" and why are they shown as the "author" of this video?

Personally, Yahtz, I would spent the extra three-quarters of a minute mentioning the other time this was blown up into A Thing.

Back in the early 1990's, a game came out called Night Trap produced by Tom Zito/Digital Pictures and "starring" the late Dana Plato. (For those of you who've never heard of it before: JFGI.) In it was a game-over scene where the vampiric Augers capture one of the female characters in the bathroom with a blood-draining neck clamp, complete with an uncomfortably suggestive spinning drill bit. While there was no on-screen blood or nudity (and plenty of cheesy acting), Righteous Guardians Of The Nation's Moral Fiber (self-appointed) nevertheless decried it and demanded the Federal government put an end to this self-evident depravity.

As a direct consequence of this, the ESRB was formed. And while we may sneer at their somewhat pointless ratings system, it must also be pointed out that they have also gone to court to fight -- and prevail -- against laws passed at the state and local level attempting to restrict Free Speech rights in video games.

Couple of weird things, though: The footage that got the thespian moralists staging fainting spells had originally been furnished by Nintendo -- at that time the only console publisher who was screening games/publishers for content. Nintendo's Howard Lincoln then went before the Congressional committee and sanctimoniously testified that Nintendo would never approve such content for their upstanding family-oriented platform.

The other weird thing is that, back in the 1990's, one of the figures inciting the mob against video games was noted hypocrite and backstabber Senator Joe Lieberman (I-Himself), with Senator Dianne "I never met a civil liberty I didn't want to curtail" Feinstein (D-CA) in the runner-up position. Fast-forward to 2005, and who should turn up again in the Hot Coffee kerfuffle? Yup, Lieberman and Feinstein.

Lieberman has since "retired" (read: wasn't going to win re-election, so he bagged out). Feinstein so far has remained quiet on the current manufactured controversy, but there's nothing to suggest she's learned anything in the last 25 years.

darkrage6:
Good episode, but the DCEU is awesome.

Also Hilary did win the popular vote and only lost cause of Russia compromising the results:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-election/russians-compromised-election-systems-in-seven-states-nbc-news-idUSKCN1GC01E

Russians also secretly forced Hillary not to campaign in battleground states.

Furthermore, as we all know, accepting lots of money from Russia is only a bad thing if you don't have a (D) next to your name. If you do, then you can accept $150 million from Russia and it's no big deal.

It looks even dumber in retrospect because games today have far more explicit sex scenes and nudity with an M rating. They even show nipples in some of them, ACTUAL NIPPLES! Not just the pure innocent breast flesh surrounding the depraved nipple.

Well, certain entities are trying to revive gaming controversies, so it's a fitting time to bring up Hot Coffee. I would hesitate say it was directly money for moral case chasers, instead I would guess that they would use notoriety from the case to get attention. It was fairly high profile, dealing with one of the big companies at the time and it wasn't like the others were making stuff of any controversy, especially since the gaming violence argument was pretty much dead. It was the last chance at gaming controversy before an entire medium moved on.

Of course, we now have the rise of a new wave of controversy, though the reasoning is a little different. In the present, we have organizations trying to revive an argument in order to create a diversion from more important issues that need to be addressed.

ewhac:
Who is "Team Hollywood" and why are they shown as the "author" of this video?

Asking the real questions, I thought for a second they were trying to pull a fast one and doing ZP style videos without Yahtzee.

This is probably my favorite ZP in years. I nearly laughed the entire video.

Aaaaahhhh, the memories. Clueless people making idiots of themselves, while fueling sharks everywhere. Considering a certain person just pushed another Bill without banning bump stocks, I will not be surprised to see him duck the NRA and blame games (and possibly Canada) for everything.

Silentpony:

Dangeresque:
"References Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign"

Ugh...look, there were a bunch of different factors affecting that election's outcome, but I still don't need the reminder that the candidate who won the popular vote still lost to the worst possible candidate.

Technically second worst possible candidate, as candidates are only ever as good as the election they win.

Depends on what criteria you're using to judge them. If you're judging them by ability to win, then yeah, that's necessarily correct. If you're judging them by whether they'd be good for their country then not necessarily.

Clinton is pretty damn bad though. If anybody but Trump had won the Republican nomination I wouldn't have bothered to vote, not that voting for a Democrat in Texas is ever truly worth anybody's time anyway.

Those swings at the videogame content ratings from different countries reminds me of a pretty good video about the topic.

Fun fact: USA rating is anti-promiscuous while Japan is anti-gore (and anti-nipples; WTF Japan!? What's wrong about nipples!!!).

Hot Coffee seems so innocent compared to the various gambling scams run by streamers, publishers and seemingly endorsed by many governments (don't forget kids, lootboxes 'aren't gambling' under UK law so they're paerfectly fine).

Silentpony:

Technically second worst possible candidate, as candidates are only ever as good as the election they win.

Nah, when you lose by more than 3 million votes, but still win because of a quirk in the rules, you're the worst possible candidate. As an excersize in min-maxing and gaming the system it's a fantastic achievement, but it serves to underline how of a shit head a candidate has be to win by undermining democracy.

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