Zero Punctuation: MadWorld

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ARGH double post, why does it do this?

MadWorld was fun for all of 15 minutes until I got a headache from the black and white and repetitive gameplay.

ElTigreNegro:

Evan Waters:

I don't get it- why is it important or even inherently desirable that they move on to games with traditional controllers? The market is grown nonetheless, and more people are playing and having fun.

It isn't, it just means that the Wii will keep getting a flow of one dimensional titles and very few worthy titles.

Are mini game collections inherently "one dimensional" and non-worthy? I mean- Wario Ware Smooth Moves is pretty much a work of art, even if it is built around silly gestures.

Y'know, I rather liked Madworld. I agree, the lockon is AWFUL, and the point system could use some work, and the repetitiveness of the announcers grated at me too (especially late game in the Bloodbath challenge with the bike and the aliens) but I think the humor outweighted the repetitiveness most times.

But the controls were pretty responsive. The story was actually GOOD (which surprised the hell out of me), and the point system wasn't that bad (very minor tweaks needed), and the game did get interestingly challenging towards the end.

A bit short but... I mean, Halo 3 clocked it under 6 hours for me, so kinda used to that by now.

Btw, I fail to see any improvement in having this game in the 360/PS3... Hell, it'd make some of the QTE a lot more boring (like the Masters battle).

Phanto:
MadWorld certainly isn't the best game to use wiimote - I still find it more entertaining than a button masher though, but maybe that's just me. But why do you want it on another console ? What's the problem with creating a new visual style because of the console's limitations, isn't *this* supposed to be creativity, rather than generic UE3/dirt brown/HD cel-shading ?

I made a thread semi-recently listing all my annoyances with how this forum treats games that are different, despite their cries for innovation. The moment something innovative comes out, people have to nitpick over the console it's on, and any flaws they can see, rather than appreciate the pretty unique comic book style graphics and (considering my experience with Mad World has been hugely better in comparison to Yahtzee's) responsive, well done Wii controls.

Gildedtongue:
Maybe it's just me, or maybe The Escapist is just looking for someone to rip into things. Perhaps I'm just trying to find logic in the foaming mouth of a rabid madman?

That pretty much explains everything. The Escapist community doesn't actually care about gaming of any form. They just want something to be cynical about. That and 95% of them hate the Wii, so...

Evan Waters:

ElTigreNegro:

Evan Waters:

I don't get it- why is it important or even inherently desirable that they move on to games with traditional controllers? The market is grown nonetheless, and more people are playing and having fun.

It isn't, it just means that the Wii will keep getting a flow of one dimensional titles and very few worthy titles.

Are mini game collections inherently "one dimensional" and non-worthy? I mean- Wario Ware Smooth Moves is pretty much a work of art, even if it is built around silly gestures.

The vast majority of them: yes.

ElTigreNegro:

Evan Waters:

ElTigreNegro:

Evan Waters:

I don't get it- why is it important or even inherently desirable that they move on to games with traditional controllers? The market is grown nonetheless, and more people are playing and having fun.

It isn't, it just means that the Wii will keep getting a flow of one dimensional titles and very few worthy titles.

Are mini game collections inherently "one dimensional" and non-worthy? I mean- Wario Ware Smooth Moves is pretty much a work of art, even if it is built around silly gestures.

The vast majority of them: yes.

The vast majority of GAMES are one-dimensional. I don't think the genre is *inherently* inferior, and I think the view of it as such is part of the snobbery I'm describing.

So everything that was wrong with the game, other than the scoring system, could be said to have been wrong with No More Heroes as well, yet he adores NMH.

Hm...

Wow, this video managed to be the most boring ZP for me ever. The recycled Wii bashing which was already old and moldy the first time around. And what is left of the review is uninspired, less then informative and not a least bit funny.

Take a week of, you seriously need it.

Yahtzee's right the Wii shouldn't have these kind of games but hey if its fun then you might as well give it a go

Yahtzee is my hero. He says the things I'm thinking.

I really do have to agree with one point, the controls for madworld feel widely out of place.

It asks me to perform gestures with the wii remote at the most awkward of swishing moments.

I'm just glad Yahtzee finally acknowledged the existence of God Hand (and didn't seem to hate it too much.) There probably aren't many games I like more than God Hand.

The controls being imprecise is something I've heard from multiple sources before Yahtzee mentioned them, so I have no doubt it's at least somewhat true. Still, the only Wii games that I think have good controls are the ones that use either the GC or Classic controller.

I wish that Yahtzee could go about his reviews with as much optimism and open-mindedness as a good number of his fans go about in watching his videos, because the constant Wii bashing is getting old. And I understand that it's his opinion, but honestly, a lot of his recent reviews have completely sucked, but you don't hear anyone complaining about that too much, do you?

Then again, there's almost as much bias fandom following Yahtzee as there is Wii bashing in his recent reviews, so that's understandable, I suppose...

Not that it matters, for I am just an opinion on the umpteenth page of the comments section for a video made by someone who I used to find funny, so, yeah...

Sennune:
Another great review. I really appreciated the "A Clockwork Orange" reference.

Same here :3

I think quite a few people like a bit of the old ultra-violence :D

Samurai Goomba:
The controls being imprecise is something I've heard from multiple sources before Yahtzee mentioned them, so I have no doubt it's at least somewhat true. Still, the only Wii games that I think have good controls are the ones that use either the GC or Classic controller.

Play the GC version of Pikmin. Then play the Wii version. I think you'll find that the latter's controls are much better.

nice review

actually i think he should do a reveiw of viewtiful joe when the time of games slow to a stop I think it actually may be funny, sure he might find the characters horrably angsty but watever it may be incredibly funny

Melancholy_Ocelot:
Nicely done Yahtzee.

By chance, does anyone know who the target audience was for this game? You'd think that the Wii would want to distance itself from gore since most of the Wii owners are 9 year olds and pudgy old ladies.

Why would a 9 year old or a old lady not enjoy a little bit of gore.
And also think about all the other wii owners (me for example 23 years old and gaming 20 of those years)

I love my wii and play it more than the 360.

I agree with Yahtzee 99% of the time but where is the KILLZONE 2 REVIEW? I wanna see what he makes up with it...

kazork:

Melancholy_Ocelot:
Nicely done Yahtzee.

By chance, does anyone know who the target audience was for this game? You'd think that the Wii would want to distance itself from gore since most of the Wii owners are 9 year olds and pudgy old ladies.

Why would a 9 year old or a old lady not enjoy a little bit of gore.
And also think about all the other wii owners (me for example 23 years old and gaming 20 of those years)

I love my wii and play it more than the 360.

You play Wii more than the 360? wow thats a first hehe... I have all 3 consoles but my Wii is only for family reunions and stuff like that. And everyone I know uses it like that.

The Deadpool:

A bit short but... I mean, Halo 3 clocked it under 6 hours for me, so kinda used to that by now.

Indeed. And I wouldn't even say that it's neccesarily a bad thing. If it's a few hours of mindless entertainment you'll love and has a high replayability what does it matter? (though perhaps the price could be adjusted a little.)

Anyway, didn't like this review much. I don't mind wii-bashing, but it should be legit.

Yahtzee's tendancy to rant about things not related to the specific game itself (Bitching about the Wii's controls, the Sonic Unleashed review being a bitching at Sonic in general) is really starting to wear thin. Before he could find plenty of genuine annoying stuff for him to complain about in his style and that is what makes some of his more outrageous notes acceptable.

Since it's branched out into mostly bitching about stuff not specific to the game in hand it's less of an "overly critical for entertainment purpose" review show to "Yahtzee's bitch about everything" review show. Sure, you can point them out but they've got to be small footnotes, state that Madworld would've worked better on the other platforms because the Wii's controls are too clunky or whatever and move on. I personally don't want to hear more bitching about that freaking Wiimote because it's getting really bloody old.

Wiimote controls are a your millage may vary kinda thing. I for one have never had any trouble getting my wiimote to respond exactly how I want it to at exactly the right time. Also I think that, while it does do a good job of determining what YOU like, basing a consoles objective worth around your and your friends opinions is an inherently flawed system. I have yet to find more than one or two games on the xbox 360 that I really would consider buying. On the other hand I have bought and kept a number of wii games and play them on a regular basis. Does this mean the xbox 360 sucks, or that it doesn't deserve to have developers make games for it because I don't like the type of games they make for it? No. What it does mean is that I don't appreciate the system as much as other people do. The fact that other people appreciate it can not be disputed. And I wouldn't try to. This is where I have the biggest beef with this review. You don't like the game? That's fine. You don't like the console? I might dispute the necessity of putting that in the review of the game, but ok, whatever. You think that everyone should abandon the system because you don't like? Now we're getting stupid. Console wars (and what I'm beginning to see as the casual/hardcore divide) seem to me to be the worst and most detrimental aspect of the gaming culture of today.

I (as always) loved the video, and I rate the opening Charlton Heston bit as one of Yahtzee's funniest moments ever. I had actually never heard of the game, largely due to the fact that I've never really paid much heed to the Wii and fully support Yahtzee's crusade to get others to ignore it too.

It simply wont buffer for me though.. Even though i want to see it like crazy ):

kazork:

Melancholy_Ocelot:
Nicely done Yahtzee.

By chance, does anyone know who the target audience was for this game? You'd think that the Wii would want to distance itself from gore since most of the Wii owners are 9 year olds and pudgy old ladies.

Why would a 9 year old or a old lady not enjoy a little bit of gore.
And also think about all the other wii owners (me for example 23 years old and gaming 20 of those years)

I love my wii and play it more than the 360.

That may be true, but judging by the caliber and genera of games the Wii has to offer you and I (I'm 22) are not the target audience.

Though I do not own a Wii I have (as a moderate gamer) logged well over 100 hours in Fallout 3. I doubt any Wii game can do the same AND have a solid foundation of similar titles to offer.

Great review. I was wondering when Yahtzee would do this, thinking yahtzee might like the ultra-violence but hate it for... the fact its on the Wii.

But the phrases and the analogies in this one were great, thoroughly hilarious

Various (mostly) valid complains about the Wii effect on the biz aside... is it worth asking whether or not Madworld would even have gotten greenlit on the 360 or PS3? Can you really see Sony or MS saying "yeah, lets do that" to publishing something this offbeat even if just at the visual level?

If you're TRYING to innovate in this generation, you're pretty-much effed: You're choices are either two prohibitively-expensive giants wholly resistant to anything that really rocks the boat or an underpowered alternative where anything above a "T" is in an automatic niche.

I've been thinking of it alot, and I simply can't get my around the fact that he liked No More Heroes despite it's flaws but hated MadWorld despite the fact that it's basically No More Heroes but 10 times better.

I couldn't agree more about the Wii. I keep telling people what a piece of garbage it is but they all keep buying games for it... and being disappointed when said games suck due to the Wii's abundant shortcomings.

I hope the bloody thing dies soon so developers will make games for consoles that matter.

I only use my Wii for Brawl when a large group of friends are over. Otherwise it just kind of sits there....

My parents got themselves a Wii a while back. It also jsut sits there.. And I still want to get MadWorld for it.

Really Horrorshow Episode, The "Clockwork Orange" reference made me smeck

Melancholy_Ocelot:

kazork:

Melancholy_Ocelot:
Nicely done Yahtzee.

By chance, does anyone know who the target audience was for this game? You'd think that the Wii would want to distance itself from gore since most of the Wii owners are 9 year olds and pudgy old ladies.

Why would a 9 year old or a old lady not enjoy a little bit of gore.
And also think about all the other wii owners (me for example 23 years old and gaming 20 of those years)

I love my wii and play it more than the 360.

That may be true, but judging by the caliber and genera of games the Wii has to offer you and I (I'm 22) are not the target audience.

Though I do not own a Wii I have (as a moderate gamer) logged well over 100 hours in Fallout 3. I doubt any Wii game can do the same AND have a solid foundation of similar titles to offer.

I personally wouldn't be able to put in over 100 hours in Fallout. I wouldn't call that moderate gaming either though.

I bought my Wii only recently knowing full well I would never get many games on it. But I don't really play on my one that much anyway. The Wii is still the best console in my eyes out of the next generation to have some solid fun with friends. I think I will buy Madworld simply because it's a great game to have to just invite a friend or two over and compete.

ironically something called 'genre wars beta' recently went up

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