Zero Punctuation: MadWorld

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Finally decided to register to compliment Yahtzee's reviews. So, great review.

I'm still debating buying this game since I've barely got anything to play on my Wii.

C3RV3ZA:
I agree with Yahtzee 99% of the time but where is the KILLZONE 2 REVIEW? I wanna see what he makes up with it...

It's jammed in with the HOUSE OF THE DEAD: OVERKILL review, because he says he couldn't think of much to say about it on its own.

The Deadpool:
The story was actually GOOD (which surprised the hell out of me), and the point system wasn't that bad (very minor tweaks needed), and the game did get interestingly challenging towards the end.

Btw, I fail to see any improvement in having this game in the 360/PS3... Hell, it'd make some of the QTE a lot more boring (like the Masters battle).

Exactly. I don't know how push-button quick-time events should make a game any more enjoyable. It's pretty much in the same boat as No More Heroes when it comes to the waggle complaints.

Evan Waters:

SandroTheMaster:

So... first off. The Wii really sucks really hard. After all the praise I got from my friend and from the industry about it's motion sensor technology: It just doesn't work. Precisely as Yahtzee said. Not only it captions your movement very poorly, it does so about a second after you prompt your command, so basically it's just like you're the one doing the movements, if you needed precognition to know what is about to happen because you're 1 sec out of sync with everything.

Maybe this is a regional thing, or a setup problem. I've not had this happen.

People say the Wii appeal to non-gamers to introduce them to gaming. I say this is bullocks, bullshit, and whatever more you want to call it. The vast majority of Wii owners only have one game: Wii Sports, the one that came with it.

Marketing data indicates that the Wii has an attach rate of 6.94 games per console sold. I think the XBox360 still leads this particular race, but when you consider the volume of hardware sales for the Wii it still translates to good numbers.

Bottom down, as much as the Wii is helping the gaming industry, it is harming much more the gaming COMMUNITY, giving argument to the mentality that games are only for children (and retarded children at that).

Right, that's why nobody over the age of 30... oh, right.

Face it, the most successful console right now is not aimed at the "hardcore" audience, and THANK GOD. When everyone is chasing after the same audience, you get stagnation. When there are multiple targets on the board, things are mixed up. Nintendo makes mad bank going after the casual market, providing quirky gameplay experiences in unusual contexts, while Sony and Microsoft can still release the latest sci-fi war epic and make a handsome profit from that.

Regional? It is just the most common complaint about the Wii world wide. If you don't feel anything wrong with it's controllers, either you acclimated very well or you're just protecting the Wii. I'm not doing a Nintendo bash, although I think it was only good until the Nintendo 64, but at least I'm not making shit up. That's because your 6.94 was just made up. I admit what I said was based on old data (about 3.4 by console, but it looks to be a year-old census). A quick search shows several different sources pointing to 4.9 - 5.5. Better than the PS3, alright, but the PS3 doesn't fare any better than the Wii on exclusivity games, both being one disappointment after the next.

And I couldn't care less about "casual" or "hardcore". I loathe Guitar Hero but I like Peggle, so bug off. I have no problem with the thousands of flash games at Kongregate and it is all well and good that more people out there are playing. All that doesn't change the fact that a game can be "casual" and serious. And some of the "casual" labeled games are actually harder and more addictive than any "hardcore" out there.

My problem is that they don't make casual games for the Wii. They make retarded games for it. For the ones who care to label they're not casual, but something further. They're relatively fun for 5 minutes (depending on your tolerance on the controls) then you feel like doing something else. Also ultimately they are depth-less and lacking, even the good ones. And the Miis just scream as hard as possible "little kid's stuff". Most normal adults can play the Wii and find it fun. But at the same time they find it very, very silly. And that will be all the idea of what a game is for most of them, so they'll look down on whoever calls themselves "Gamer".

Before the Wii, I could say I'm a gamer and the worst I could hear was something like "Oh, so you like Mario and stuff?". Now, invariably, when I say I'm a gamer or show concern for a game in any way I hear "Stop being a kid, it is just a game. Children stuff." Because invariably a game with a serious storyline like Mass Effect is completely overshadowed to the major populace by the massive fame of the Wii and their loath-inducing Miis (seriously, these little fuckers are like a bad caricature a bitter cartoonist made of gamers to ask everybody to point and laugh).

Anyone else stuck at that stupid "Genre Wars" ad? It gets halfway through and freezes.

I had semi-high hopes for this game but I played it for two hours and found it pretty.... well boring. Really really boring. The tutorial was brutal, and the first few seconds were fun, then it was just "blah blah chainsaw blah blah road sign blah blah spikes". And maybe I was scoring points way too fast or something but the game interrupted me every minute or so with a cutscene showing a new weapon, or a new challenge thing, or a bull guy. And if I saw the challenge cutscene and walked over there I'd immediately get another, even longer cutscene with some guy in blackface or something explaining how it works. It wouldn't have been alright if I wasn't interrupted ALL THE TIME. I may have been bored, but constant breaks in flow were still irritating.

The commentators I didn't find that funny. It was like they were trying waaaaay too hard. All I heard out of them was "dick dick dick we're so edgey".

Only one complaint about the review. Come off it Yatzhee, that shit looks more like a Frank Miller comic than most Japanese comics. Psssh.

Yahtzee needs to quit reviewing consoles/platforms and just review the goddamn game. I don't even think of him as a game critic, just a console-basher.

bawkbawkboo1:
Yahtzee needs to quit reviewing consoles/platforms and just review the goddamn game. I don't even think of him as a game critic, just a console-basher.

This x1000

To be honest i enjoyed the game some what but all his points other then the targeting system where lies.

Difficulty - play hard more, enemies dodge and counter all the time.
Combat - Twas fine
Repetition - The game is what you make it, there was enough environmental kills to mix up so that it never got old but you COULD do the same on over and over and thus get bored.
Wii remote - It registered fine for me and i never had a problem.

some times i think Yahtzee tries too hard to hate the game.

Melancholy_Ocelot:
Though I do not own a Wii I have (as a moderate gamer) logged well over 100 hours in Fallout 3. I doubt any Wii game can do the same AND have a solid foundation of similar titles to offer.

I've probably had more than 100 hours of Brawl. It was 77 hours when I last checked, and that was well over two months ago...

Evan Waters:

j_meister:
My Dad now has a Wii. He's the kind of person who wouldn't touch a serious games console unless it held the key to immortality, so this goes to show what a pile of crap the Wii must be.
Five minutes with the motion control bollocks and I'm ready to throw it out the window.
Death to nintendo.
Oh, good "review" Yahtzee. Let's see more anti-nintendo rants! Just pick any random Wii game and use it as an excuse to piss all over the big N.

I can't tell what your point is. Surely if it's a console that appeals to people who haven't bought consoles before, that's a GOOD thing for the gaming industry, right? But then you say that you hate it and want more rants.

So mcdonalds is a good thing for the food industry right? I believe the mans point is that when something is so dumbed down and mass produced so grandma and play too it oftin looses the creativity and certainly any semblance of challenge or difficulty for those of us that are actual gamers...atleast I think thats the point.

Kage Me:

Melancholy_Ocelot:
Though I do not own a Wii I have (as a moderate gamer) logged well over 100 hours in Fallout 3. I doubt any Wii game can do the same AND have a solid foundation of similar titles to offer.

I've probably had more than 100 hours of Brawl. It was 77 hours when I last checked, and that was well over two months ago...

Funny that the one Wii game you claim to have played alot (only one I can make that claim on too) is also one that any responsible player only plays using a gamecube controller.

chase211:

Evan Waters:

j_meister:
My Dad now has a Wii. He's the kind of person who wouldn't touch a serious games console unless it held the key to immortality, so this goes to show what a pile of crap the Wii must be.
Five minutes with the motion control bollocks and I'm ready to throw it out the window.
Death to nintendo.
Oh, good "review" Yahtzee. Let's see more anti-nintendo rants! Just pick any random Wii game and use it as an excuse to piss all over the big N.

I can't tell what your point is. Surely if it's a console that appeals to people who haven't bought consoles before, that's a GOOD thing for the gaming industry, right? But then you say that you hate it and want more rants.

So mcdonalds is a good thing for the food industry right? I believe the mans point is that when something is so dumbed down and mass produced so grandma and play too it oftin looses the creativity and certainly any semblance of challenge or difficulty for those of us that are actual gamers...atleast I think thats the point.

Kage Me:

Melancholy_Ocelot:
Though I do not own a Wii I have (as a moderate gamer) logged well over 100 hours in Fallout 3. I doubt any Wii game can do the same AND have a solid foundation of similar titles to offer.

I've probably had more than 100 hours of Brawl. It was 77 hours when I last checked, and that was well over two months ago...

Funny that the one Wii game you claim to have played alot (only one I can make that claim on too) is also one that any responsible player only plays using a gamecube controller.

I play it was a classic controllers, but if you want an example of wii remote done right take your pick from Pikmin 1 - 2, Metroid Prime 1 or 3 any and all lightgun games like house of the dead or ghost squad.

I haven't tried the game yet. It still looks like fun at least.

Its a shame the Wii is too much of a confusing platform for Devs.

no no its not. its always funny and nintendo bring it on themselfves game that comes to mind is red steel

Once again, a very funny video.

But this has to be said. If you lot are actually taking these videos seriously then there is something extremely wrong with your mental faculties. Seriously, a 230-odd post, fan-boy driven debate about the Wii based on Yahtzee's comments?

Some of you need to lighten up and take the video for what it is. ;-)

garyj:
Once again, a very funny video.

But this has to be said. If you lot are actually taking these videos seriously then there is something extremely wrong with your mental faculties. Seriously, a 230-odd post, fan-boy driven debate about the Wii based on Yahtzee's comments?

Some of you need to lighten up and take the video for what it is. ;-)

It's quite clear that Yahtzee means every thing he said about the wii very seriously. Now, how the fanboys take that is another story.

I have a wii, but hardenly ever go on it for reasons Yahtzee has explained. It sits next to the playstation gathering dust. I absolutely love Killzone2, but I can "kind of" see why Yahtzee can't make a full review of it. Good graphics, cool story, good gameply and combat.
But worse of all, there's nothing to hate, so that must be crap for Yahtzee.

It's truly funny because it's like a little kid drinking beer trying to act all grown-up but then just puking all over himself after the first two gulps.

Judithia:

I play it was a classic controllers, but if you want an example of wii remote done right take your pick from Pikmin 1 - 2, Metroid Prime 1 or 3 any and all lightgun games like house of the dead or ghost squad.

Indeed. There are also a few games where the wii-mote doesn't have that much of a benefit but it's not like it has a detrimental effect. Mario Galaxy plays fine with the Wii-mote and with a second player a wii-mote does work for the added fun.

And Brawl is played with a classic controller because there is no point in using the wii-mote.

Judithia:

Funny that the one Wii game you claim to have played alot (only one I can make that claim on too) is also one that any responsible player only plays using a gamecube controller.

I play it with the Wiimote and nunchuck and my friends (who played melee way more than I did) use the Gamecube controllers and I destroy them.

I need script of this. I can't keep up with it.

Blah blah blah. Developers of all types SHOULD continue to develop for the Wii, and not just shovel ware, and youngster games. The Wii is the best selling video game console month after month. It has sold the most and thus has more potential in sales than any other system. It is not made up mostly of casual gamers, but rather an extremely diverse set of users. The problem is NOT that the users are mostly these so called causal gamers. It is that there IS NO ONE MAJORITY on the Wii. Unlike the xbox360, which you may as well call the FPS Depot. It's easy to know what will sell on the 360, and face it the games being offered on there are really just clones of each other. Yahtzee rips those games apart FAR more than anything Nintendo.

PS3? It's inconsequential. If it is a model for what a good video game system should be then vacuum is a model for the best atmosphere needed to support life on earth. It's been out for a few years now, and it's still struggling to not slit it's own wrists. Why? Because the fucking 'hardcore' 'mature' gamers it's almost exclusively catering to will barely touch the damn thing!

Nintendo going out like sega? Um, huh? They should stop making video game consoles...because they are making more money then any other video game system? Because they are expanding the market by leaps and bounds? I'm sorry that it is so hard accept that Nintendo, that 'once great company that screwed up with the N64, and almost crashed and burned with the NGC' is the leader in hardware, software, and peripheral sales.

'Hardcore gamers', which I would consider myself one, our time as the main focus of the video game market is OVER. Deal with it. The market doesn't need us anymore. Oh it wants us, it wants our money, but it doesn't NEED us anymore. The video game industry is changing, in fact it never stopped. Remember when it was only okay for young kids to play video games? Well those kids grew up, then it was okay for older ones so they made more complex games. Then the kids became Teens and those games evolved in complexity and maturity. Those teens became young adults. Then middle aged people. Remember its been nearly 30 years since NES!

Those kids are now well into their thirty's, some are hitting their forties. They want to play video games still, it's what they did as a kid. They want complexity, they want something that is truly mature. Not, it has guns so it's mature. Or it has blood so it's mature. Or it's brown so it's mature. Because that isn't mature at all, it's juvenile. They want something complex so it's mature. They want something that requires their brain over their reflexes so it's mature. They also don't have time to sit down for 4-6 hours to play video games. They need simple games, games they can pick up on their lunch break, and put down before the meeting. Because they have jobs now! They are running corporations, and small business, and the government. Nintendo wanted those kids that grew up Nintendo back, most brilliant business move they EVER made. You don't like Wii? Thats fine, you don't have to. But your opinion does not change what is happening. The 'hardcore' market is shrinking. You think it's bad now, wait until the next batch of consoles come out. Sony and MS would be lunatics if they didn't start catering to the massive market that Nintendo has created. Fully expect at least Sony to do a full turn around of and copy, almost to the letter, exactly Nintendo's current business model.

With all that said, I don't like this game. I DO want a rather violent brawler game. But I'd like a few less gallons of blood and not quite so many constant screams of agony. I personally think that, perhaps, Sega went just a little too over the top.

Yahtzee. I love ya man, but back off Nintendo a little bit, eh? You are a VIDEO GAME REVIEWER. You have reviewed the Wii's -hardware- enough times already. Is it still necessary to start Wii reviews with instant Wii hardware hate rants? Is that really what people are tuning in for? Surely the game itself has enough flaws for you to rant about? It really is trite now. I'm a huge fan of your shows to you know. Wii hardware hate isn't funny anymore. It just wastes time to tell everyone the same thing. I wanted to hear about Mad World, Yahtzee, not the goddamn Wii your playing it on. It's just a little bit silly now. Heck, its even somewhat disturbing. It's like you sit in a dark closet blabbering to yourself about how it killed everyone in your family, what with it's waggles and all, and now you want revenge on it the only way you know how.

chase211:

Kage Me:

Melancholy_Ocelot:
Though I do not own a Wii I have (as a moderate gamer) logged well over 100 hours in Fallout 3. I doubt any Wii game can do the same AND have a solid foundation of similar titles to offer.

I've probably had more than 100 hours of Brawl. It was 77 hours when I last checked, and that was well over two months ago...

Funny that the one Wii game you claim to have played alot (only one I can make that claim on too) is also one that any responsible player only plays using a gamecube controller.

Actually, I use the Wiichuck... And it works just as well.

I've probably played Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 for a good amount of hours, too. Probably not 100, but still. And in those games, the Wii controls are actually used well.

yourbeliefs:

DMPhantom:
You have to admit he's right, having a ultra-violent game on the WII is like trying to show Ultimate Fighting on Nick for Kids, it's just not going to fly.

It seemed to work for No More Heroes and Resident Evil 4...Maybe not as violent as MW but still major earners of their M ratings.

As well as "House of the Dead: Overkill" and "Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles" (which Yahtzee actually LIKED might I remind you?)

Seriously, the Wii simply has a range of games. Admittedly a large proportion of those games don't even get reviewed on mainstream websites for the simple reason that they are clearly franchise cash-ins with no merit, but the idea that the Wii only targets children is just nonsense. (Heck, far from leaving their hardcore following who have been with them since the early 90s for a younger generation, Nintendo seem to be instead targeting middle-aged businessmen who can't find the time to get to the gym... And what businessman doesn't secretly hold the desire to rip people to pieces with their bare hands, eh?)

As for the criticism of the Wii controls, that is a very personal judgement. There were huge worries about the effectiveness of the controls when the Wii was first released and they haven't proven to be much of a concern. If the controls were as bad as Yahtzee makes out, I can't begin to imagine how he reached the end of the game. Maybe it's a problem with the way his Wii is set up?

...I kinda wonder if Yahtzee would enjoy the "casual" Wii games. I'd love to see a review of World of Goo myself, if only to prove the potential of Wiiware.

Sunborn:
Blah blah blah. Developers of all types SHOULD continue to develop for the Wii, and not just shovel ware, and youngster games. The Wii is the best selling video game console month after month. It has sold the most and thus has more potential in sales than any other system. It is not made up mostly of casual gamers, but rather an extremely diverse set of users. The problem is NOT that the users are mostly these so called causal gamers. It is that there IS NO ONE MAJORITY on the Wii. Unlike the xbox360, which you may as well call the FPS Depot. It's easy to know what will sell on the 360, and face it the games being offered on there are really just clones of each other. Yahtzee rips those games apart FAR more than anything Nintendo.

While we don't have a demographic graphic chart at hand, it's safe to say that the majority of the users of the wii are people that have never played videogames, not in a regular basis at least. The sales speak for themselves, see the numbers for something like No More Heroes, which haven't sold bad either, but put it along with something like "Carnival Games" and well, if that doesn't tell you something about the Wii's market nothing will.

PS3? It's inconsequential. If it is a model for what a good video game system should be then vacuum is a model for the best atmosphere needed to support life on earth. It's been out for a few years now, and it's still struggling to not slit it's own wrists. Why? Because the fucking 'hardcore' 'mature' gamers it's almost exclusively catering to will barely touch the damn thing!

The PS3 has been a dissapointment in several ways, but it's still selling, it still has a good share of the market, and it actually surpassed the wii some weeks ago in Japan. So, it's hardly dead already.

Nintendo going out like sega? Um, huh? They should stop making video game consoles...because they are making more money then any other video game system? Because they are expanding the market by leaps and bounds? I'm sorry that it is so hard accept that Nintendo, that 'once great company that screwed up with the N64, and almost crashed and burned with the NGC' is the leader in hardware, software, and peripheral sales.

Good sales and popularity doesn't equal good quality.

'Hardcore gamers', which I would consider myself one, our time as the main focus of the video game market is OVER. Deal with it. The market doesn't need us anymore. Oh it wants us, it wants our money, but it doesn't NEED us anymore. The video game industry is changing, in fact it never stopped. Remember when it was only okay for young kids to play video games? Well those kids grew up, then it was okay for older ones so they made more complex games. Then the kids became Teens and those games evolved in complexity and maturity. Those teens became young adults. Then middle aged people. Remember its been nearly 30 years since NES!

The days of games about slashing enemies or shooting at them are obviously not over, otherwise we wouldn't have a God of War 3, Bayonetta and other titles coming up. You might want to change "the market doesn't need us" to "Nintendo doesn't need us" because they clearly got a new audience for them. Bottom line: both factions can co-exist, people who are new to the medium and people who have been playing for a while. There is no need to replace one with another, Nintendo did prefer to choose one over another with the Wii, that's good for them, but that doesn't mean others have to follow the same path.

Those kids are now well into their thirty's, some are hitting their forties. They want to play video games still, it's what they did as a kid. They want complexity, they want something that is truly mature. Not, it has guns so it's mature. Or it has blood so it's mature. Or it's brown so it's mature. Because that isn't mature at all, it's juvenile. They want something complex so it's mature. They want something that requires their brain over their reflexes so it's mature. They also don't have time to sit down for 4-6 hours to play video games. They need simple games, games they can pick up on their lunch break, and put down before the meeting. Because they have jobs now! They are running corporations, and small business, and the government. Nintendo wanted those kids that grew up Nintendo back, most brilliant business move they EVER made. You don't like Wii? Thats fine, you don't have to. But your opinion does not change what is happening. The 'hardcore' market is shrinking. You think it's bad now, wait until the next batch of consoles come out. Sony and MS would be lunatics if they didn't start catering to the massive market that Nintendo has created. Fully expect at least Sony to do a full turn around of and copy, almost to the letter, exactly Nintendo's current business model.

Exactly what is complex about games like Wii fit, wii sports or wii play? I frankly fail to see the complexity of said titles.

With all that said, I don't like this game. I DO want a rather violent brawler game. But I'd like a few less gallons of blood and not quite so many constant screams of agony. I personally think that, perhaps, Sega went just a little too over the top.

That's the idea of this game, being over the top in a very absurd way. It's violence taked with a dose of black humour. Not in a crudea realistic way.

Yahtzee. I love ya man, but back off Nintendo a little bit, eh? You are a VIDEO GAME REVIEWER. You have reviewed the Wii's -hardware- enough times already. Is it still necessary to start Wii reviews with instant Wii hardware hate rants? Is that really what people are tuning in for? Surely the game itself has enough flaws for you to rant about? It really is trite now. I'm a huge fan of your shows to you know. Wii hardware hate isn't funny anymore. It just wastes time to tell everyone the same thing. I wanted to hear about Mad World, Yahtzee, not the goddamn Wii your playing it on. It's just a little bit silly now. Heck, its even somewhat disturbing. It's like you sit in a dark closet blabbering to yourself about how it killed everyone in your family, what with it's waggles and all, and now you want revenge on it the only way you know how.

It's Yahtzee's show, he can review and rant about whatever he wants. If he still has something to say about the Wii i don't see why he should contain himfself. He's not reviewing a wii game every week.

Good game, better review

And here I thought I was the only one not hyped about this game. The art concept seemed cool, but I can't say I'm surprised the game started getting dull after a while.

If Yahtzee hates the Wii so much, why can't he stay the fuck away?!

My guess is that the Wii keeps getting big-name and highly marketed titles, so he's slightly obligated to review them, either by The Escapist or something else. Or, as was the case with Brawl, he kept getting floods of emails asking him to review a game that he felt the need to, even if it was just to stop the constant stream of emails.

crazyhaircut94:

sethzard:
another brutal ripping of the wii, well done, it deserves all the shit it gets

Heard that. I wish they would make all games available for Gamecube controllers also, or at least something else than the Wii Remote. I'd even go with a N64 controller, despite it's unpractical, uncool, stupid shape (although I guess they needed a way to fit all the buttons there)

I half-agree and half-disagree with both of your comments. While I don't believe all of the ripping up for the Wii just for the sake of it is a good thing (because fanboys get off on it), I do feel that just enough of it should be done to get a certain Mario Factory's attention. There's room for mature titles on the system, it's just none of the ones on the slate are striking that magical note with the system controls.

House of the Dead did just right enough being a rail shooter; not having to fumble with any of the motion control is a good thing in that case. The game likes a lot of replay value, however. Madworld sounded fantastic on paper and does execute reasonably well; it just falls victim to the repetitiveness plague and it's limbs are falling off. If a sequel is in the pipeline, it would probably be best to wait until the Motion Plus adapter is out then the controls will be fixed and a thousand times more responsive.

I also agree with the need for compatibility with the GCN controller or Classic Controller, not just with this game, but many of them. From Nintendo's point of view, it would defeat the purpose of their Wii Remote gimmick, but the Wii itself is really just a slightly more powerful Gamecube anyway. In that fact, controller compatibility isn't hard to do on their part, it's just hard to decide to do.

I'd almost want to use an N64 controller too if I was still wasn't convinced that it's 3-handled design wasn't for the purpose of accommodating mankind's eventual evolution involving the growth of a third hand. I always figured it was Nintendo's way of saying "this is the last console you will ever need." ;)

Sunborn:
Blah blah blah.

That's a pretty hefty first post, friend, and I did enjoy reading it. Just quoted the "blah" part because it seemed funny on it's own, plus your post was very long and mine is about to be as long too. Let me verify now that I'm not trying to insult you at all if anything I say comes off as such. I'm just trying to be objective and contribute.

While I agree with some things you say, other things need to be put in a little more perspective. ElTigreNegro already made some good points on your rant so I'll try not to repeat anything he said.

Firstly, I want to introduce the notion that terms like "casual" and "hardcore" are actually quite irrelevant. At one time, I would have considered myself a "hardcore" gamer, having been on the scene since the Atari 2600 and Colecovision, but we didn't even have that kind of terminology back then. They really didn't even mean anything until this console generation. Simply put, we as a whole, are gamers and consumers. What someone chooses to play, be it a simple little puzzle game or an epic RPG, is simply their preference. Given time, almost every gamer will sooner or later experiment with much more complex and deeper games of other genres. Because of this, there is no reason to corner them into a single niche of the audience.

Secondly, what most gamers tend to forget is that Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo... are companies. They are in it to make money. They don't seek your loyalty or your ability to defend and die for their cause, just your money. Clever/asinine marketing is what ends up getting fanboys' feathers ruffled.

Yes, it's true Nintendo did lose momentum with the N64 and were very close to going under at one time during the run of the Gamecube; When they drained the coffers they had so gleefully filled to the brim with NES and SNES sales over all those years, the Gamecube was about to put the final nail in their coffin. And when you're on the ropes, you tend to make uncommon business decisions. Essentially, they asked themselves, "how can we maximize profits?" The untapped non-gamer market was the answer.

Through careful wording, they were able to separate themselves from Microsoft and Sony by saying they're marketing to their own audience with a "new-gen" console and not a "next-gen" one; the Wii being a slightly more powerful Gamecube at it's core and all. My thought was always that the still wanted to get some mileage out of the hardware coupled with the fact that they couldn't afford to make an equal-in-power console to the other Big Two. They had created such a functional and appealing gimmick in the Wii motion sensor technology that it would appeal to anyone at all with the proper marketing. And that is what we got; A slightly more powerful "new-gen" system with controls so intuitive that anyone in the family can join in. From there, the rest is history.

On the PS3, I don't own one and probably won't for a while, but based on everything that was sunk into it, you can bet it will be around a lot longer than expected. When the next Xbox and Nintendo consoles come out, look for the PS3 to still be there. It's hardware capabilities are still largely untapped and could keep it afloat well into the next generation. (NOTE: I don't want one yet because the only game I want on it is MGS4. There's not enough exclusives for it yet for me to warrant all that money up front.)

As for Yahtzee's Wii hatred, it's just his way. When he criticized Smash Bros. Brawl, I laughed hard. It was funny. I love that game but I'm not going to defend it because a "professional troll" rips it a new asshole. (I love that term!) When he goes off about the Wii, I do sense the undertone that he may wish that something may one day make the Wii sing and dance like a master. Perhaps when the Motion Plus adapter ships he may change his tune about a future game that supports it. Take it for what it's worth. If anything he may even do it just to get reactions like yours from his viewers.

Also, keep in mind that he is a Game CRITIC, not a reviewer. He doesn't have to be informative or give a numerical score (not that he ever has), his intent is to just be funny and possibly blow off some steam about how frustrating a particular part of a game is. Plus, he's getting paid to do it.

Sir_Muffonious:

Judithia:

Funny that the one Wii game you claim to have played alot (only one I can make that claim on too) is also one that any responsible player only plays using a gamecube controller.

I play it with the Wiimote and nunchuck and my friends (who played melee way more than I did) use the Gamecube controllers and I destroy them.

Not going to lie, I need to use a Gamecube controller too in Brawl too. I actually didn't even bother to learn it with the Wii Remote, as I wanted to get directly into the action with little to no hassle. When my friends and I have a Brawl night, the Wii Remote usually falls to the last player if he forgot his GC controller and no one brought extras.

robinkom:
If a sequel is in the pipeline, it would probably be best to wait until the Motion Plus adapter is out then the controls will be fixed and a thousand times more responsive.

While it's a good oppurtunity to improve on the gameplay and add more ways to kill enemies, I don't really want MadWorld to have a sequel, because the second a game has a sequel it loses all of its originality and what makes it unique. Plus, everything is wrapped up very nicely at the end of MadWorld, and if there's one thing I hate, it's needless sequels.

Sir_Muffonious:

robinkom:
If a sequel is in the pipeline, it would probably be best to wait until the Motion Plus adapter is out then the controls will be fixed and a thousand times more responsive.

While it's a good oppurtunity to improve on the gameplay and add more ways to kill enemies, I don't really want MadWorld to have a sequel, because the second a game has a sequel it loses all of its originality and what makes it unique. Plus, everything is wrapped up very nicely at the end of MadWorld, and if there's one thing I hate, it's needless sequels.

I hear you loud and clear. Needless sequels do tend to ruin the credibility of the original installment. As far as games go, I can't really think of any in this respect, just movies. And I'm thinking of Robocop 2 & 3 and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II & III in that respect. Prime examples of bleeding a cash cow dry. They also seem to be the result of taking 2 really great dark movies and making them more family friendly for the sake of maximizing profits.

Anyways, I wouldn't entirely denounce a new Madworld installment as long as it has no ties to the first one. Kind of like Final Fantasy style where there's no direct sequels (except X and X-2). Madworld is definitely reminiscent of the old Midway game, Smash TV in concept. Doing one in that vain of a game show might be interesting.

Abedeus:
Why isn't this showing up for me? Tried on Firefox, tried on Chrome, doesn't work at all.

Chrome's been temperamental with me as well.

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