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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3017 Joined: 10 Aug 2008     | THANK god. I haven't read this yet, but i'm glad somebody shares this viewpoint. |
Nobel Laureate  Posts: 16001 Joined: 26 Dec 2008     | Just responding to the question in the OP: Because murder can be justified. Rape can never serve a good purpose. And now to read. EDIT: Well fuck. It looks like you pretty much agree completely. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3017 Joined: 10 Aug 2008 |
I give you GTA4. Is cutting down civilians justified? Then maybe they should both be banned. |
On the Record  Posts: 5753 Joined: 7 Jan 2009   | In answer to the OP (before Reading), I think it's called the protagonist then. Now for the reading. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1516 Joined: 1 May 2009   | ....... Ok IF this becomes another flame war i'll track you down and kill you Murder can only be justifyed if you are: On a battlefield - because the enemy came into the fight knowing they may die |
Nobel Laureate Posts: 16001 Joined: 26 Dec 2008 |
Depends. Are they pissing me off? I didn't say either game should be banned. I am fully against censorship, no matter how bad something may be. Though I personally have no problem with murder at all. I'm just horrible that way, I suppose. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2096 Joined: 6 Feb 2009   |
Technically you aren't forced to cut down civilians. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2668 Joined: 2 Oct 2008 | It needs a spell check, it says "Rape on the other hand, can ever be justified" as opposed to "never", either that or we have all completely misinterpreted the article...
You got Ninja'd =P |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3017 Joined: 10 Aug 2008 |
Does it matter...? The possibility is there, and you know that a lot of people are going to do it. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2302 Joined: 20 Feb 2008    |
Just pointing out the typo. Good article. Also a holocaust tycoon? Oh man I can't even imagine the amount of controvery. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2582 Joined: 19 Mar 2008    |
Bullseye. It's your choice if you kill any civilians, like it would be in a real city, but there aren't really any consequences. Thus why it is just a game, and does not really merge with real-life. |
Muckraker Posts: 294 Joined: 8 Nov 2008     | I've said it in previous threads... I'll never ever touch a 'rape' game, however, murder or rape, whats the difference.....both can take and ruin lifes, so why a one sided view point by many. |
Muckraker  Posts: 267 Joined: 17 Mar 2009    |
I think more to the point on a battlefield it wouldn't be murder because the enemy came to kill you also. With self defence, surely that would be man slaughter at worst? Anyways I dont think you can justify either murder or rape going on the lines of 'what gives one the right to do either' Maybe rape is harder to accept because most of the time it is calculated and or planned against a weak victim which isn't always the case with murder. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2668 Joined: 2 Oct 2008 |
Humans, especially men are aggressive creatures, we used to need that aggression in order to survive. Nowadays society doesn't require that aggression as we are no longer hunter-gatherers or a prey species. This causes us to remain instinctively aggressive but we no longer have an outlet. Violent films/books/games provide an outlet for this aggression (as does martial arts and punch bags) and so we can gratify our need for violence without harming people. Sexual desire on the other hand is completely different, it has never been necessary to commit rape, it serves no purpose and it is not in (most cases) our instincts to do it. It is also very unlikely that it will satisfy somebody who has the craving for it, at least not permanently and so creating a game has no benefit to anybody and is completely tasteless and offensive. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4768 Joined: 17 Mar 2009 |
Sometimes it can, as demonstrated by my dear friend Louis CK: (I know, it's creeping me out too, I don't know how I can find all of this stuff that is pertinent to our discussion) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1516 Joined: 1 May 2009 |
hmm I always thought some would go for the strong ones for a challenge.. |
Nobel Laureate Posts: 16001 Joined: 26 Dec 2008 |
...Okay, fine, rape is acceptable if you're going back in time to rape Hitler.
Generally, no. Rape seems to happen to women and children, both "weaker" on average than the average man. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 95 Joined: 29 Oct 2008   | I think more to the point, a rape game *glorifies* rape and is designed for the player to *get off* on what happens in it. Games that involve violence tend to either be completely fantastical (we are battling demons, not people) and encourages the idea of "fighting evil"; in most cases where you're perpetrating harm "for the fun of it," the game is clear about putting you in a role of a criminal or in a situation where you are constantly being told something along the lines of "You have lost karma/you are Chaotic Evil" etc. I somehow have a feeling RapeLay and its ilk doesn't put you in the role of a monster; it in fact normalizes and rewards simulating a horrific act. The violence in video games I don't feel is normalized or shown in a way to make people feel titillated by the experience. I guess some players might feel aroused by engaging in the gameplay violence, who knows, but I doubt that is the developers' intent. I definitely can't say the same for the developers who would develop a rape game. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 780 Joined: 7 Jun 2008    | I think what really burns me is that someone's making a buck off the concept of allowing players to synthesize rape. That said, I'm not sure that I'd want the game to be free (although, if you can't get it here in America, the only option is the freely illegal one). |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 873 Joined: 4 Mar 2009    | You can't be the hero, but can you be the anti-hero? No, you can't. Rape is inexusable, everyone knows that. banning any kind of media on the grounds that it normalises a crime condesends people, treating them as idiots who mimic evreything they see. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 703 Joined: 16 Jun 2008 | The common sense of the gaming world put ever so eloquently yet again. Now if we could just show this to Jack Thompson and his ilk maybe we could put a dent in their little quest for ban-hammer privileges |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4109 Joined: 23 Apr 2008    |
THis. Although I do think that games about rape aren't justifiable as 'entertainment' or 'freedom of speech'. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2169 Joined: 4 Jun 2008    | My opinion on this is that with all the time and effort we're putting into banning a game based around rape we probably could have prevented a few actual rapes ('evil prevails when good men fail to act' and such). I understand what all the anti-game people are getting at but I personally think we could put our effort and resources somewhere that might actually yeild a more positive result than pissing off some sexually dissatisfied individuals somewhere (it's not like they can't find stuff like this elsewhere). |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 80 Joined: 8 Jan 2009   | Why can't therapists be heroes? |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 125 Joined: 24 Oct 2008   |
actually a holocaust tycoon has been done back in the 70's or 80's it was called KZ manager i saw it in the book Supercade |
Nobel Laureate Posts: 16001 Joined: 26 Dec 2008 |
No!
As always, this is an eloquent and very strong argumen--wait a minute.
I don't see the entertainment value in molesting people who aren't your best friend (an in-joke that none of you will get, unfortunately, because you are not her,) but then I do find the idea of murdering people strangely attractive, so maybe I'm just weird. I guess the only defense I can think for this kind of thing is a slippery slope argument: If we allow rape to be banned, we're setting a precedent. |
Muckraker  Posts: 261 Joined: 4 Jul 2008   | I dislike the premise of this argument, why should gaming be about being the hero? Really limiting the scope of games so much is a lot more harmful an idea than banning rape games. The villain, the anti hero and the many harder to classify protagonists are what we need. If games are limited to only being the hero then the potential you get is heavily limited.
Are you answering your own question here? As I would contend you can be an anti-hero or even a tragic hero and have still raped some one. Thomas Covenant would be such a character, while from a book not a game he is still a hero is his own very flawed manner. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4109 Joined: 23 Apr 2008 |
How the hell did that not cause a controversy? Well, aside from gaming not being taken seriously as a form of media back then. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4109 Joined: 23 Apr 2008 |
What if its child-version Hitler? Although that would explain alot about him...
Hmm... ok, I see that as a valid defense. Although I personally think that a reasonable society knows where the draw the line and won't let it slip.... and one day, we'll have a reasonable society ;) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4768 Joined: 17 Mar 2009 |
Well, children aren't really human beings... so it's a bit of a non-issue. |
Nobel Laureate Posts: 16001 Joined: 26 Dec 2008 |
That's murky water. A gray area, so to speak.
...Well, can't argue with facts. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1036 Joined: 17 Jul 2008  | Good article Malygris. As Voltaire says: "I may not agree with you but I'll defend to the death your right to speak." Free speech trumps personal offense. If you find rape games so offensive make a game where you hunt down and kill rapists. |
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You Can't Be the Hero If You're the Rapist
Gamers don't bat an eye at violence in murder at games. Why is the crime of rape so different?
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