You Can't Be the Hero If You're the Rapist

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You Can't Be the Hero If You're the Rapist

Gamers don't bat an eye at violence in murder at games. Why is the crime of rape so different?

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THANK god. I haven't read this yet, but i'm glad somebody shares this viewpoint.

Just responding to the question in the OP: Because murder can be justified.
See also: Dexter.

Rape can never serve a good purpose.

And now to read.

EDIT: Well fuck. It looks like you pretty much agree completely.
That's actually a bit weird.
Or maybe it's just a more common viewpoint than I thought.

MaxTheReaper:
Just responding to the question in the OP: Because murder can be justified.
See also: Dexter.

Rape can never serve a good purpose.

And now to read.

I give you GTA4. Is cutting down civilians justified? Then maybe they should both be banned.

In answer to the OP (before Reading), I think it's called the protagonist then.
And I don't understand how or why they'd make rape games.

Now for the reading.

....... Ok IF this becomes another flame war i'll track you down and kill you

Murder can only be justifyed if you are:

On a battlefield - because the enemy came into the fight knowing they may die
In self defence
Or in other extreme curcumstances

WrongSprite:

I give you GTA4. Is cutting down civilians justified? Then maybe they should both be banned.

Depends. Are they pissing me off?

I didn't say either game should be banned. I am fully against censorship, no matter how bad something may be.
I pretty much agree with Maly and his article on this one.

Though I personally have no problem with murder at all. I'm just horrible that way, I suppose.

WrongSprite:

MaxTheReaper:
Just responding to the question in the OP: Because murder can be justified.
See also: Dexter.

Rape can never serve a good purpose.

And now to read.

I give you GTA4. Is cutting down civilians justified? Then maybe they should both be banned.

Technically you aren't forced to cut down civilians.

It needs a spell check, it says "Rape on the other hand, can ever be justified" as opposed to "never", either that or we have all completely misinterpreted the article...

Tenmar:

Malygris:
Rape, on the other hand, can ever be justified.

Just pointing out the typo.

Good article. Also a holocaust tycoon? Oh man I can't even imagine the amount of controvery.

You got Ninja'd =P

Cliff_m85:

WrongSprite:

MaxTheReaper:
Just responding to the question in the OP: Because murder can be justified.
See also: Dexter.

Rape can never serve a good purpose.

And now to read.

I give you GTA4. Is cutting down civilians justified? Then maybe they should both be banned.

Technically you aren't forced to cut down civilians.

Does it matter...? The possibility is there, and you know that a lot of people are going to do it.

Malygris:
Rape, on the other hand, can ever be justified.

Just pointing out the typo.

Good article. Also a holocaust tycoon? Oh man I can't even imagine the amount of controvery.

Cliff_m85:

WrongSprite:

MaxTheReaper:
Just responding to the question in the OP: Because murder can be justified.
See also: Dexter.

Rape can never serve a good purpose.

And now to read.

I give you GTA4. Is cutting down civilians justified? Then maybe they should both be banned.

Technically you aren't forced to cut down civilians.

Bullseye. It's your choice if you kill any civilians, like it would be in a real city, but there aren't really any consequences. Thus why it is just a game, and does not really merge with real-life.

I've said it in previous threads...

I'll never ever touch a 'rape' game, however, murder or rape, whats the difference.....both can take and ruin lifes, so why a one sided view point by many.

wolfy098:
....... Ok IF this becomes another flame war i'll track you down and kill you

Murder can only be justifyed if you are:

On a battlefield - because the enemy came into the fight knowing they may die
In self defence
Or in other extreme curcumstances

I think more to the point on a battlefield it wouldn't be murder because the enemy came to kill you also.

With self defence, surely that would be man slaughter at worst?

Anyways I dont think you can justify either murder or rape going on the lines of 'what gives one the right to do either'

Maybe rape is harder to accept because most of the time it is calculated and or planned against a weak victim which isn't always the case with murder.

Teachingaddict:
I've said it in previous threads...

I'll never ever touch a 'rape' game, however, murder or rape, whats the difference.....both can take and ruin lifes, so why a one sided view point by many.

Humans, especially men are aggressive creatures, that aggression used to needed in order to survive. Nowadays society doesn't require that aggression as humans are no longer hunter-gatherers or a prey species. This causes the species to remain instinctively aggressive but no longer having an outlet. Violent films/books/games provide an outlet for this aggression (as does martial arts and punch bags) and so people can gratify their need for violence without harming others.

Sexual desire on the other hand is completely different, it has never been necessary to commit rape, it serves no purpose and it is not in (most cases) our instincts to do it. It is also very unlikely that it will satisfy somebody who has the craving for it, at least not permanently and so creating a game has no benefit to anybody and is completely tasteless and offensive.

MaxTheReaper:
Just responding to the question in the OP: Because murder can be justified.
See also: Dexter.

Rape can never serve a good purpose.

Sometimes it can, as demonstrated by my dear friend Louis CK:

(I know, it's creeping me out too, I don't know how I can find all of this stuff that is pertinent to our discussion)

Flushfacker:

wolfy098:
....... Ok IF this becomes another flame war i'll track you down and kill you

Murder can only be justifyed if you are:

On a battlefield - because the enemy came into the fight knowing they may die
In self defence
Or in other extreme curcumstances

I think more to the point on a battlefield it wouldn't be murder because the enemy came to kill you also.

With self defence, surely that would be man slaughter at worst?

Anyways I dont think you can justify either murder or rape going on the lines of 'what gives one the right to do either'

Maybe rape is harder to accept because most of the time it is calculated and or planned against a weak victim which isn't always the case with murder.

hmm I always thought some would go for the strong ones for a challenge..

The infamous SCAMola:

Sometimes it can, as demonstrated by my dear friend Louis CK:

(I know, it's creeping me out too, I don't know how I can find all of this stuff that is pertinent to our discussion)

...Okay, fine, rape is acceptable if you're going back in time to rape Hitler.
But that's it.

wolfy098:

hmm I always thought some would go for the strong ones for a challenge..

Generally, no. Rape seems to happen to women and children, both "weaker" on average than the average man.
If you want a challenge, you challenge someone to a knife fight.

I think more to the point, a rape game *glorifies* rape and is designed for the player to *get off* on what happens in it.

Games that involve violence tend to either be completely fantastical (we are battling demons, not people) and encourages the idea of "fighting evil"; in most cases where you're perpetrating harm "for the fun of it," the game is clear about putting you in a role of a criminal or in a situation where you are constantly being told something along the lines of "You have lost karma/you are Chaotic Evil" etc.

I somehow have a feeling RapeLay and its ilk doesn't put you in the role of a monster; it in fact normalizes and rewards simulating a horrific act. The violence in video games I don't feel is normalized or shown in a way to make people feel titillated by the experience. I guess some players might feel aroused by engaging in the gameplay violence, who knows, but I doubt that is the developers' intent. I definitely can't say the same for the developers who would develop a rape game.

I think what really burns me is that someone's making a buck off the concept of allowing players to synthesize rape.

That said, I'm not sure that I'd want the game to be free (although, if you can't get it here in America, the only option is the freely illegal one).

You can't be the hero, but can you be the anti-hero?

No, you can't. Rape is inexusable, everyone knows that. banning any kind of media on the grounds that it normalises a crime condesends people, treating them as idiots who mimic evreything they see.

The common sense of the gaming world put ever so eloquently yet again. Now if we could just show this to Jack Thompson and his ilk maybe we could put a dent in their little quest for ban-hammer privileges

MaxTheReaper:
Just responding to the question in the OP: Because murder can be justified.
See also: Dexter.

Rape can never serve a good purpose.

And now to read.

EDIT: Well fuck. It looks like you pretty much agree completely.
That's actually a bit weird.
Or maybe it's just a more common viewpoint than I thought.

THis. Although I do think that games about rape aren't justifiable as 'entertainment' or 'freedom of speech'.

My opinion on this is that with all the time and effort we're putting into banning a game based around rape we probably could have prevented a few actual rapes ('evil prevails when good men fail to act' and such).

I understand what all the anti-game people are getting at but I personally think we could put our effort and resources somewhere that might actually yeild a more positive result than pissing off some sexually dissatisfied individuals somewhere (it's not like they can't find stuff like this elsewhere).

Why can't therapists be heroes?

Tenmar:

Malygris:
Rape, on the other hand, can ever be justified.

Just pointing out the typo.

Good article. Also a holocaust tycoon? Oh man I can't even imagine the amount of controvery.

actually a holocaust tycoon has been done back in the 70's or 80's it was called KZ manager i saw it in the book Supercade

The infamous SCAMola:

MaxTheReaper:

...Okay, fine, rape is acceptable if you're going back in time to rape Hitler.
But that's it.

Also, if you want to have sex with someone but they won't let you.

No!
No no! Very bad!
What if that person is a child, hmm?
Think of the children, Scammy.

cjbos81:
Maybe she was asking for it.

As always, this is an eloquent and very strong argumen--wait a minute.

Doug:

THis. Although I do think that games about rape aren't justifiable as 'entertainment' or 'freedom of speech'.

I don't see the entertainment value in molesting people who aren't your best friend (an in-joke that none of you will get, unfortunately, because you are not her,) but then I do find the idea of murdering people strangely attractive, so maybe I'm just weird.

I guess the only defense I can think for this kind of thing is a slippery slope argument: If we allow rape to be banned, we're setting a precedent.
Eventually it would work its way to violence, then "objectional" content, etc.

I dislike the premise of this argument, why should gaming be about being the hero? Really limiting the scope of games so much is a lot more harmful an idea than banning rape games. The villain, the anti hero and the many harder to classify protagonists are what we need. If games are limited to only being the hero then the potential you get is heavily limited.

Arrers:
You can't be the hero, but can you be the anti-hero?

No, you can't. Rape is inexusable, everyone knows that. banning any kind of media on the grounds that it normalises a crime condesends people, treating them as idiots who mimic evreything they see.

Are you answering your own question here? As I would contend you can be an anti-hero or even a tragic hero and have still raped some one. Thomas Covenant would be such a character, while from a book not a game he is still a hero is his own very flawed manner.

Doomhammer828:

Tenmar:

Malygris:
Rape, on the other hand, can ever be justified.

Just pointing out the typo.

Good article. Also a holocaust tycoon? Oh man I can't even imagine the amount of controvery.

actually a holocaust tycoon has been done back in the 70's or 80's it was called KZ manager i saw it in the book Supercade

How the hell did that not cause a controversy? Well, aside from gaming not being taken seriously as a form of media back then.

MaxTheReaper:

The infamous SCAMola:

MaxTheReaper:

...Okay, fine, rape is acceptable if you're going back in time to rape Hitler.
But that's it.

Also, if you want to have sex with someone but they won't let you.

No!
No no! Very bad!
What if that person is a child, hmm?
Think of the children, Scammy.

What if its child-version Hitler? Although that would explain alot about him...

Doug:

THis. Although I do think that games about rape aren't justifiable as 'entertainment' or 'freedom of speech'.

I don't see the entertainment value in molesting people who aren't your best friend (an in-joke that none of you will get, unfortunately, because you are not her,) but then I do find the idea of murdering people strangely attractive, so maybe I'm just weird.

I guess the only defense I can think for this kind of thing is a slippery slope argument: If we allow rape to be banned, we're setting a precedent.
Eventually it would work its way to violence, then "objectional" content, etc.

Hmm... ok, I see that as a valid defense. Although I personally think that a reasonable society knows where the draw the line and won't let it slip.... and one day, we'll have a reasonable society ;)

MaxTheReaper:

The infamous SCAMola:

MaxTheReaper:

...Okay, fine, rape is acceptable if you're going back in time to rape Hitler.
But that's it.

Also, if you want to have sex with someone but they won't let you.

No!
No no! Very bad!
What if that person is a child, hmm?
Think of the children, Scammy.

Well, children aren't really human beings... so it's a bit of a non-issue.

Doug:
What if its child-version Hitler? Although that would explain alot about him...

Doug:

THis. Although I do think that games about rape aren't justifiable as 'entertainment' or 'freedom of speech'.

I don't see the entertainment value in molesting people who aren't your best friend (an in-joke that none of you will get, unfortunately, because you are not her,) but then I do find the idea of murdering people strangely attractive, so maybe I'm just weird.

I guess the only defense I can think for this kind of thing is a slippery slope argument: If we allow rape to be banned, we're setting a precedent.
Eventually it would work its way to violence, then "objectional" content, etc.

Hmm... ok, I see that as a valid defense. Although I personally think that a reasonable society knows where the draw the line and won't let it slip.... and one day, we'll have a reasonable society ;)

That's murky water. A gray area, so to speak.
You beat me to it. I was going to say the exact same thing.

The infamous SCAMola:

Well, children aren't really human beings... so it's a bit of a non-issue.

...Well, can't argue with facts.

Good article Malygris. As Voltaire says: "I may not agree with you but I'll defend to the death your right to speak." Free speech trumps personal offense.

If you find rape games so offensive make a game where you hunt down and kill rapists.

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