Death to E3!

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Death to E3!

If the industry did away with E3 entirely, everyone would be much better off.

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My main problem with E3 is that there are a lot of bad games that get overhyped that makes people like me go out and buy them.

Honestly I think it's all in good fun, and there are simply so many alternatives as far as advertising goes that I really don't think smaller developers miss out on much. It's more a geek fair than anything substantial, and an opportunity for developers to show off a bit and brag over what they've done.

Yeah makes sense, E3 means almost no good summer titles coming out and we have to wait about 5 or 6 months until the big names that were mentioned at E3 are released. Sure it's a fun time but it just causes delay and yeah some titles I'm waiting for have been announced but I probably would have heard about them here albeit later. Then again that means I am not anxiously waiting for it for about a year in some occasions.
And the article was pretty funny and the election metaphor was right on the money.

Barry93:
My main problem with E3 is that there are a lot of bad games that get overhyped that makes people like me go out and buy them.

"Bad" is subjective opinion... so games you might not like may be hyped up - that doesn't make them bad games it just means they arn't your style.

An intresting article, but I for one simply love the mass chaos of E3 - just suddenly hearing all this amazing infomation at once is fantastic.

Sure it's always been kind of a circle jerk but I too have always been torn between appreciating the spectacle and wondering what they could do if they spend that money on R&D.

The thing I don't like about E3 is I get bombarded with so many awesome games my brain over-loads and I get hyped up for them and can't get jack-shit done. Lucky me, this is also the time we have our 2nd semester exams.

Plus the console fanboys just start coming out of the wood-work, it's a flustering experience to say the least.

But the E3 where the finally release an EarthBound game, and this WILL happen, if Golden Sun (a game I personally abhor) which is an equal to EarthBound in terms of cult-classicness (though I'll always like EarthBound way, way better) can get a remake/prequel/sequel thingamabober so can EarthBound but better! That E3 will be epic, my reaction will be even more so than when I heard news of Pokemon Soul Silver and Heart Gold, I will probably need medical assistance.

Sadly no news about the Wii exclusive: Dragon Quest X, man that is going to be amazing.

D_987:

Barry93:
My main problem with E3 is that there are a lot of bad games that get overhyped that makes people like me go out and buy them.

"Bad" is subjective opinion... so games you might not like may be hyped up - that doesn't make them bad games it just means they arn't your style.

Ok, by "bad" I mean really buggy, unfinished games. Mercs 2 got a lot of hype last year but turned out to have hundreds of bugs. I don't beleive anyone actually liked this game in the slightest.

I think that E3 is something to keep. Sure, it can steal news that would be released in adjacent months, but it's just... magical somehow. Even to us poor losers who couldn't go, E3 is a shining beacon that screams fun AND news at the same time. Just watching the press conferences gave me a distinct buzz, as most frequenters of the Gaming Discussion section know already.

Barry93:

D_987:

Barry93:
My main problem with E3 is that there are a lot of bad games that get overhyped that makes people like me go out and buy them.

"Bad" is subjective opinion... so games you might not like may be hyped up - that doesn't make them bad games it just means they arn't your style.

Ok, by "bad" I mean really buggy, unfinished games. Mercs 2 got a lot of hype last year but turned out to have hundreds of bugs. I don't beleive anyone actually liked this game in the slightest.

I know people that liked the game; sure it had some bugs, but what do you expect in a large open-world game?

Aha, Shamus, you are repeating yourself! First "Death to Good Graphics!" and now "Death to E3!"? What's next, "Death to Butter Tea!"? O-ho-ho-ho!

Personally I always love watching E3 and finding out the breaking news and such. It's not just a big advertisement thing, it's a place where gamers from everywhere can come together and play the latest games that they're interested in. Someday I'll finally be able to go to E3 and I'd be playing the demos all day long.

D_987:

Barry93:

D_987:

Barry93:
My main problem with E3 is that there are a lot of bad games that get overhyped that makes people like me go out and buy them.

"Bad" is subjective opinion... so games you might not like may be hyped up - that doesn't make them bad games it just means they arn't your style.

Ok, by "bad" I mean really buggy, unfinished games. Mercs 2 got a lot of hype last year but turned out to have hundreds of bugs. I don't beleive anyone actually liked this game in the slightest.

I know people that liked the game; sure it had some bugs, but what do you expect in a large open-world game?

I expect HVT's not to kill themselves when you want to subdue and capture them. I also don't like it when my Apache Longbow gets sucked into a different dimmension (disapears before your eyes).

Barry93:
My main problem with E3 is that there are a lot of bad games that get overhyped that makes people like me go out and buy them.

There are these things called reviews and also these better things called player reviews you should check them out

UNKNOWNINCOGNITO:

Barry93:
My main problem with E3 is that there are a lot of bad games that get overhyped that makes people like me go out and buy them.

There are these things called reviews and also these better things called player reviews you should check them out

Wow, I didn't realize that all the games at E3 were already released and people had already written hundreds of reviews for them. No, I won't read them anyway because people give their opinions and often critique graphics, plot, and other things I don't care about in a game. After all, I'm part of the .01% of gamers that hated CoD4 regardless of how many 25 kill streaks i got. That game was given the GOTY title by millions of people. That's why I don't read or care for reviews anymore because I got the game based on everyone's opinion.

E3 is awesome, I have no idea what you're complaining about.

See, it's all about the hype; show one reporter one game at one show, and he'll examine it in detail, run through the checklist questions, and bring his opinons back to his website saying the game is good. Show ten reporters ten games at one show, when you're surrounded by dozens of other devlopers showing off their games at the same time, and you've got hype for one game building on top of hype for two, for three, for ten, then these oversimulated reporters go back and you can feel the excitment coming from them as they write about how awesome all these games are.

Informantion overload works wonders for creating hype; hype for one game rubs off onto another, and another, and so on.

The fact that there's beer and babes doesn't hurt, either.

i think e3 is good its nice to get positive press about gaming before i saw e3 on the news the last story was about a boy killing his friend and then blaming it on halo

it makes a change

How do you make a small fortune from E3? You start with a big one.

There is some success at E3; people will read about it and they're going to pay attention to at least one product that they didn't know about. You're right that there will be a lot of losers, but there are some winners as well. It all depends on if you can elbow everyone else out of the way to get the consumers to look your way.

Jumplion:
Personally I always love watching E3 and finding out the breaking news and such. It's not just a big advertisement thing, it's a place where gamers from everywhere can come together and play the latest games that they're interested in. Someday I'll finally be able to go to E3 and I'd be playing the demos all day long.

That's PAX you're thinking of. E3 is press and industry only. Most of us gamers just hear about it.

Barry93:

D_987:

Barry93:

D_987:

Barry93:
My main problem with E3 is that there are a lot of bad games that get overhyped that makes people like me go out and buy them.

"Bad" is subjective opinion... so games you might not like may be hyped up - that doesn't make them bad games it just means they arn't your style.

Ok, by "bad" I mean really buggy, unfinished games. Mercs 2 got a lot of hype last year but turned out to have hundreds of bugs. I don't beleive anyone actually liked this game in the slightest.

I know people that liked the game; sure it had some bugs, but what do you expect in a large open-world game?

I expect HVT's not to kill themselves when you want to subdue and capture them. I also don't like it when my Apache Longbow gets sucked into a different dimmension (disapears before your eyes).

Yeah--while "bad" CAN mean a subjective opinion, it can also mean an objective fact. There's a difference between a game being not your style that nevertheless succeeds in some other style, and a game that simply *fails* even in the style it was trying to achieve.

I agree. E3 is a big waste of everyone's time. What exact value comes from all the hype and imaginary non-products they show every year? Nothing, that's what. E3 demos are a joke in the industry; sort of a public fish story contest where they compete to see who can tell the biggest lies. Good riddance I say.

At least gaming actually gets paid some attention and treated as a legitimate hobby at E3, as opposed to the rest of the time, when it becomes a blame figure for poor parents. Even if E3 is nothing but pointless hype and self-congratulation, it's still worth having. Once gaming becomes even more popular and culturally accepted, then we can worry about replacing it with a better version of the same idea.

It's not like there's never any pre or post-E3 news. What about the post-E3 news of the new Zelda? Small game devs aren't hurt in any way by E3 that I can see. If they can't afford to go, they shouldn't. If they have a history of making fun games (even freeware), their rep will still insure that people will pay attention to the games they're making. The Behemoth has only made two commercially-released games, but there are still tons of people waiting to see what they'll make next. It doesn't matter whether they go to E3 or not-any game made by them will get some attention, and they can always release any news they want to the press.

Perhaps I'm not understanding what about E3 makes it bad. Even if it's a flawed system, it's far better than nothing. Games get overhyped all the time, with or without E3.

shMerker:

Jumplion:
Personally I always love watching E3 and finding out the breaking news and such. It's not just a big advertisement thing, it's a place where gamers from everywhere can come together and play the latest games that they're interested in. Someday I'll finally be able to go to E3 and I'd be playing the demos all day long.

That's PAX you're thinking of. E3 is press and industry only. Most of us gamers just hear about it.

E3 is open to the public, albeit still limited to some people. PAX is good to but that's more for the indie games.

D_987:

Barry93:
My main problem with E3 is that there are a lot of bad games that get overhyped that makes people like me go out and buy them.

"Bad" is subjective opinion... so games you might not like may be hyped up - that doesn't make them bad games it just means they arn't your style.

An intresting article, but I for one simply love the mass chaos of E3 - just suddenly hearing all this amazing infomation at once is fantastic.

No they are bad under deved games that should either have had an extra year of polish and bug testing or priced at 20$. Modern gaming has become so casual even the bugs get ignored...

This is one of your few articles that I disagree with. I see the angle you're taking, but E3 is less about news and more about creating a spectacle. I like to think of E3 as a place where all the major developers gather to say, "This is where our industry is, and this is where we want to push it." And then I like to think of the following year's GDC as a place where developers gather to say, "Okay, this is what we tried, and this is what worked and this is what didn't."

E3 is like a swingers' party. You are disgusted by the idea of it but want to go because you know some cool people may or may not show up but regardless you probably would hook up with someone.

I like your articles Shamus, they always give me a good chuckle when I need it the most. This one was no exception.

I stopped following what went on at E3 after my Nintendo Power subscription ran out a few years back...or was it after The Revolution became The Wii...I always forget when I lost my respect for Nintendo. If I want to find a good game I ask my friends, they tell me what games they've seen that they liked, or think I might like. Then as I hunt down said games I come across ads for games like The Penny Arcade Adventure series (still waiting on Ep.3) Now I have a steam account and buy exclusively from the indie section, mainly because if I want a game that's a wonderful breather from the gray serious smattering we call gaming today its going to be from indie developers who haven't lost their passion for the art yet under the success of their games.

Then again maybe I'm just the kind of person who enjoys games like World of Goo, Ceville, and The Wallace and Grommit Episodic adventures. I've always strived to remain a kid at heart as I grew and I suppose I've succeeded in that my taste in games is a wonderful mix of the new and grity and the new and silly. God help me I need another adventure and/or platformer like the Jak and Daxter series or Psychonauts...that or God of War 3.

Why hate? Just...why?

I think it holds the gaming industry at a higher standard. Game creators and hardware designers feel like they have to deliver something big, and the consumers ultimately benefit from this. However, it is typically used to promote additions to franchises that have been on life support for a good quarter of a century.

E3 would be better if it actually had more focus than "what's happening in the gaming industry." If E3 were the place for NEW things, not announcements of inevitable sequels, then it would be better. As it stands now, E3 is just a massive advertisement instead of a source of information.

Barry93:

UNKNOWNINCOGNITO:

Barry93:
My main problem with E3 is that there are a lot of bad games that get overhyped that makes people like me go out and buy them.

There are these things called reviews and also these better things called player reviews you should check them out

Wow, I didn't realize that all the games at E3 were already released and people had already written hundreds of reviews for them. No, I won't read them anyway because people give their opinions and often critique graphics, plot, and other things I don't care about in a game. After all, I'm part of the .01% of gamers that hated CoD4 regardless of how many 25 kill streaks i got. That game was given the GOTY title by millions of people. That's why I don't read or care for reviews anymore because I got the game based on everyone's opinion.

"Opinon's are like asshole's , everyone's got one !"

Remember the last 2 years when the E3 was this scaled back event that left everyone including the game press and the developers themselves unhappy? It was an interesting experiment but in the end most realized that it's a good thing to have a central event that every gamer pays attention to. I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned.

That last sentence saved your article. Because those 2 pages of serious business can be overruled by 4 words: yet. it. is. awesome.

I agree.

Is E3 a waste of time? Yes. Is it hurting anyone? Only those silly enough to let it.

I think I see E3 as simply a celebration of our hobby. Obviously, the money could be spent on R&D instead. We could also stop spending money on games altogether and become monks and nuns. But since we don't, why can't these hard-working programmers take a few days off to just get excited about games, theirs and everyone else's?

We did the no-E3 thing. Everyone hated it. And while you feel like the independent games get drowned in the mess, consider the alternative: no E3, no exposure whatsoever, and press gala events reserved only for the EAs and Activisions of the world. (This is what happened when E3 wasn't around).

The press likes to groan about E3 because, I think, they have to be super busy for a week and it all seems silly when you're up at 3am writing a preview for the latest Wii crap. As for why non-press hate a period of free celebration (for them), I can only imagine.

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