Escape to the Movies: Transformers Revenge

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Well there's a spoiler.

For Science:
So he didn't like it?

I don't know why, but I think I got that vibe from it too...

This review was awful.

Hmmm... this seems to have put me off from seeing it more than I already had been. Oh, and Kudos to Moviebob for referencing Home Movies.

/agree

Thyunda:

MovieBob:

Thyunda:
The robot designs are ugly? Oh, here's an argument for you: IT'S NOT G1!

I could care less about a little design-revision, but these creatures are simply BAD looking. So much attention has been paid to rendering all the little gears and bits moving around to the detriment of the broader design - they're too visually busy and the eye has no "line" to follow, so they all wind up looking like indistinguishable wads of crumpled tinfoil on those rare occasions when Bay opts to use a medium-shot.

Yeah, they made Devastator do nothing but dig a hole. What were you wanting him to do? Go on a destructive rampage? IN A DESERT?

Well, for one thing, this thing is named Devastator, not Hole-Digger or whatever. It wouldn't be noticeable but for all the badly-disjointed filmmaking and complete lack of storytelling ability involved: Devastator gets this MASSIVE introduction with all the big trucks rolling up and snapping together and "holy crap, look at the size of THIS one"... and he's there to be a SHOVEL? Megatron has a minion who is (judging his scale against The Great Pyramid) somewhere in the realm of 300-350 feet tall... and he's on hole-duty?

Oh yeah. I noticed the little dig at the flames. "Optimus Prime has flames! What are we going to do?!"

I know, I know. Old gripe. But there's still no better visual metaphor for all of Bay's douchebag tendencies than the use of automotive flame-decals on a robot. If I could've gotten away with just looping Clint Eastwood's rant about car decorations from the end of Gran Torino, I would've ;)

And finally - The human characters. How do you relate to a plot about giant robots?

When the giant robots are humanoid, have faces, speak-english and emote? Easily. Hell, people (myself included) related to Wall-E just fine and Wall-E looked less human than ANY of the Transformers, didn't have a mouth and couldn't speak more than four or five words.

It's like trying to empathise with the bloody penguins from Happy Feet.

Happy Feet was awesome. Nobody gives that crazy-ass movie the credit it deserves.

Cutting about with quotes kills my brain. So I'm gonna have to simplify my responses.

First, the broader design looks good. In fact, that's the only bit that looks good. And why wouldn't a giant alien robot be made up of moving parts? What's wrong with that?

Giant robots don't have human problems. Imagine a film about Optimus Prime trying to fit in at high school.

I have to write that.

Sorry, but let me get back to my point. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is aimed at teenage guys, in the same way that Twilight is aimed at teenage girls. Guys would like the idea that even a nerd can get giant robotic friends. Sorry, ONLY a nerd can get giant robotic friends. It helps an audience get closer to a film. WALL-E pulled it off by making whiney noises and simple words, and generally being adorable. Man I loved that film. I just wanted to give the little tyke a hug. :)

I sitll don't understand your point about the flames. I will never understand that point about the flames. Optimus scans a truck. The truck has flames on it. Therefore, Optimus has flames. Why make such a big deal out of some decals? Especially since said decals work effectively on him. They let the audience know that Prime is hot stuff. :P

Did you watch Happy Feet while high...?

ITS A MOVIE ABOUT GIANT ROBOTS!

It is not supposed to have human problems!

The problem is laid out. ANCIENT GALACTIC FUCKING CIVIL WAR!

Why...why would it need shia le douchebag putting his dorky face in?

Oddly, the only points i agree with were that the twins were a waste of space and shouldn't have been there and that the military elements didn't make sense. The designs of the decepticons didn't make much sense and they weren't deceiving anyone, given that about half of them had no alternate form.

Having actually watched the original series recently, these movies just seem like the human heavy episodes of the early first and all of the Japanese seasons. As such, I really enjoyed the film, though its attempts at heart wrenching or angst were as laughable as such things always are from Hollywood.

For reference, i'm not one of the 'douchebags' bob accused the fanbase of being; i made the mistake of watching some of the other attempts to reboot the franchise over the years, including the phenomenally bad Headmasters [reasons why you don't outsource anime to Japan...]

The replicant fight was interesting as far as i'm concerned [the tongue a minor glitch], as was Prime's stand. I think the point being missed is that the Transformers are supposed to be LIFEFORMS; their design isn't that of mecha but metal organisms. Terminator over Gundam.

I think it's rather sad that Moviebob and so many others went into this movie determined not to like it and are now spreading their venom.

ChromeAlchemist:

Simalacrum:
Transformers = avoid. gotcha.

also, is it just me or is Moviebob becomming more and more like Yahtzee with a red background? oh wells, it isn't a bad thing :P

Not particularly. I expected someone to say something. The difference is Yahtzee is being paid to be angry. This man actually is sincerely pissed off with this film. I also don't really see the similarities between them.

I agree, does everyone think that no one has ever talked fast before Yahtzee? When you have 5 minutes to review a two and half hour you aren't gonna take your damn time to articulate. Also, OMG HE USES TEXT LIKE YAHTZEE! What do you want form him instead? Pictographs? Shove off people, Yahtzee hasn't copyrighted life itself so don't go around accusing people of posing him. If you do, I accuse you of copying me because your on the internet.

Keane Ng:
Kung Pow is an AMAZING movie, and I'm proud to own it as well.

Keane, I think I'm in love with you.

Also: "THATS A LOT OF NUTS!"

Aries_Split:
ITS A MOVIE ABOUT GIANT ROBOTS!

It is not supposed to have human problems!

The problem is laid out. ANCIENT GALACTIC FUCKING CIVIL WAR!

Why...why would it need shia le douchebag putting his dorky face in?

Because, try as I might, I find it hard to care about an intergalactic civil war, unless I can some way have a part in it, at least in my own imagination. Every Transformers series, bar the Japanese ones, had human involvement. Why should that change now?

Thyunda:

Aries_Split:
ITS A MOVIE ABOUT GIANT ROBOTS!

It is not supposed to have human problems!

The problem is laid out. ANCIENT GALACTIC FUCKING CIVIL WAR!

Why...why would it need shia le douchebag putting his dorky face in?

Because, try as I might, I find it hard to care about an intergalactic civil war, unless I can some way have a part in it, at least in my own imagination.

Well I'm sorry the world doesn't revolve around you.

Aries_Split:

Thyunda:

Aries_Split:
ITS A MOVIE ABOUT GIANT ROBOTS!

It is not supposed to have human problems!

The problem is laid out. ANCIENT GALACTIC FUCKING CIVIL WAR!

Why...why would it need shia le douchebag putting his dorky face in?

Because, try as I might, I find it hard to care about an intergalactic civil war, unless I can some way have a part in it, at least in my own imagination.

Well I'm sorry the world doesn't revolve around you.

But if I think like this, I can pretty much guarantee a number of people are going to have a similar view.

A film which you can't relate to is a failure as a film. Always have to have a human story. Otherwise there's no story. What did you want the film to be? Two hours worth of Optimus and Megatron spouting one liners, then punching each other?
The reason why films like 'Saving Private Ryan' were such a success had nothing to do with the battle scenes, it was all the underlying emotional subplots.

I never expected that the reviewer is getting more pissed off. I guess Michael Bay and Uwe Boll should both stay away from making movies. Ever.

Thyunda:

Aries_Split:
ITS A MOVIE ABOUT GIANT ROBOTS!

It is not supposed to have human problems!

The problem is laid out. ANCIENT GALACTIC FUCKING CIVIL WAR!

Why...why would it need shia le douchebag putting his dorky face in?

Because, try as I might, I find it hard to care about an intergalactic civil war, unless I can some way have a part in it, at least in my own imagination. Every Transformers series, bar the Japanese ones, had human involvement. Why should that change now?

Your part of it because if they [Transformers] fail.. then I believe you are what is called "fucked".

ChromeAlchemist:

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Hah, beat me to it.

Fantastic as always MovieBob!

I haven't seen the film, nor was I ever going to. Glad I'm not missing out on anything.

This isn't a movie review, this is just an opportunity to push your vendetta against its director on impressionable others, regardless of whether the movie at hand was good or not.

Well, I would remind everyone that there are almost never as many FX in any movie as the fans would like, they wind up doing as much with just people acting because all those robots, and even just firing a hand weapon in a science fiction show/movie costs a pretty penny at the end of the day. Thus the less you have to show, the better.

Besides, had they used the robots too much, people would just as vehemently criticising it from the other direction for being a glorified cartoon. Though to be honest it might have been a better idea to do this as a current generation series of animated movies by a company like Pixar (but that is another entire discussion).

I'll be seeing it in the next couple of days, but the criticisms are pretty repetitive, so I guess they are true.

As far as Megan Fox being sexy and little else, well she is doing her job in that regard. She's not the best actress out there, but I have actually seen worse acting. Still she's there for the eye candy. You know "drape yourself over that motorcycle and look hawt... oh yeah awesome we'll put that picture of you standing up in all of our preview trailers... great job Megan!".

[shrugs]

Truthfully the biggest danger I see with Megan Fox is her convincing herself that she's a serious actress and trying to move on to bigger and better dramatic roles, where if she simply improves her acting a bit and keeps going as sci-fi/fantasy/horror eye candy I'd imagine she could make some decent money by the time she's long in the tooth and never have to work again as long as she doesn't do something stupid like party it all away.

>>>----Therumancer--->

Thyunda:

Aries_Split:

Thyunda:

Aries_Split:
ITS A MOVIE ABOUT GIANT ROBOTS!

It is not supposed to have human problems!

The problem is laid out. ANCIENT GALACTIC FUCKING CIVIL WAR!

Why...why would it need shia le douchebag putting his dorky face in?

Because, try as I might, I find it hard to care about an intergalactic civil war, unless I can some way have a part in it, at least in my own imagination.

Well I'm sorry the world doesn't revolve around you.

But if I think like this, I can pretty much guarantee a number of people are going to have a similar view.

A film which you can't relate to is a failure as a film. Always have to have a human story. Otherwise there's no story. What did you want the film to be? Two hours worth of Optimus and Megatron spouting one liners, then punching each other?
The reason why films like 'Saving Private Ryan' were such a success had nothing to do with the battle scenes, it was all the underlying emotional subplots.

Alright I wanna mingle in the headbutting and dickwaving comeptition here.

uhumm. Let me just clear my throat and here we are. The Transformers have been going on for nearly 3 decades, that is almost 30 years, as of 2014 it will be 30 years since they were established as a media f(r)anchise.

Throughout these 30 years all animation and or comic books have featured either a small human cast or no humans at all. I can relate to Prime shaking hands with Ronald Reagan can't I? Well as ridiculous as it sounds there has been a comic book edition with Prime meeting the a that point US president.

It was a comic book about robots being awesome along sides the humans who very easily got crushed in their millions. Even later on as Earth is completelly taken over by the Autobots (humans never had a huge say in it really) there is just 1 human who just serves as a energy detector and who serves also as the link that binds us to their civil war.

Now why does Bay have to get a whiny as Hero and his girl friend, plus hackers and a slur of army personnel to make us feel connected when a TV show with a budget of roughly a 100th of what Bay had could do it with just an animated 15 year old.

Private Ryan is NOT a good movie because of the human element it is because of the EXAMPLE these actors give us, it could have been about furry rats and it would have still been awesome if the actors were good.

If you really need to see a human on screen before you care I really fail to understand you because let me recall the Lion King featuring NO HUMANS AT FUCKING ALL but still being one of my top movies and also still in the list of top 100 movies of ALL FUCKING TIMES, yet with no humans in em. Call me childish if you want but it is pure gold.

We don't need humans if the main characters can parley the correct emotions to us, I would have rather much seen THE FALLEN as he was depicted as a burning hulk rather than this skinny thing and having as much character as his waste is wide.

The fact is that this is a serie about ROBOTS FIGHTING FOR DOMINATION IN AN ENDLESS FUTILE BATTLE due to weak leadership on both side, values, stubbornness and all of the 443 human emotions. How can I not relate to a Robot showing all of this in his fight of futility.

The fact is I don't need Humans, vaporize em all aslong as the REAL CHARACTERS (not Sam who should have been a fucking smudge on the highway or something) the Robots get to do the talking. I did not pay to see Humans in an involuntary war against both sides.

Because that is what this REALLY is it is Independence day but worse. Humans fighting an alien force for better or worse even though one side is actually trying to help. It is not Robot Civil war for a long forgotten reason but Humans.

Now the film is Called Transformers so either change the title to Human CUNTS or fire and hang Michael Bay.

KishwaJones:
This isn't a movie review, this is just an opportunity to push your vendetta against its director on impressionable others, regardless of whether the movie at hand was good or not.

No it WAS HORRIBLE. Having grown up as a latchkey kid spending my days with Zelda, Mario, He-man (I have.. the power!!!! AWESOME) and other icons of times gone by I can say this is a slaughtering of all that is good, about an hour inwards there is a horrible scene which will just make you want to rip your eyes out of your sockets and crush em just not to have to see it. Which is a plus because after that it only gets worse.

You will get to see a character who effectively "killed" (they never really die without getting resurrected) Optimus Prime once do nothing throughout the entire movie. You see Prime kill The Fallen who was something as an Evil God in the comics and series and had to be killed by Primus (Cybertron, the planet, and the first of the Autobots) himself. Devastator who is 6 not 7 smaller robots who got brainwashed and forced to join the Decepticons does not get any action and neither is his counter part Omega Supreme introduced who are in fact Yin and Yang each others polar opposites with bitter rivalry which is also never introduced in the film.

Butt I am getting of point here the fact is just that so much has been cut, reedited, ignored, mashed up for the fratboys that we have come round to Batman of the 90's where it was treated in exactly the same way and sucked. However as we have seen with the latest Batman, taking a franchise seriously yields awesome (however in consequent with the comics) movies.

A good movie can be forgiven for not following the plot, I laughed when the Joker started some tale about how his dad cut his face up which we can interpret as him lying and making up stories because we all know the real story and acting like he saw Batman for the first time but it was all good because the movie was good, here we see the Raping of Transformers 2 which is unforgivable.

To say transformers is the WORST FILM EVER is a pretty big call.

Watch Frankenstein Reborn or Good vs Evil.

I had fun watching Transformers 2; sure it is soiled by Bay but it is still a decent film.

But I guess trashing things is popular and easy.

1337mokro:
*snip*

You know, the main criticism I found on from so-called professional critics was that ROTF lacked a human touch.
Shocking.

All I have to say is, serves you right for being attached to your soul-less overmarketed nostalgia bullshit. This crap wasn't good when it was new, it's not gonna be good now. It's just there to sell product.

So much anger from moviebob. The movie wasn't terrible, it had its flaws, but they aren't all Bay's fault.

The script was so-so and that is the writers fault, not Bay's. He may have some say in it, but it's not all his fault (tho that doesn't make him good).

I felt the balance of human to robots was better than the first movie, but Devastator could have devastated something other than sand.

And it had its funny moments.

murphy7801:

Krakyn:
But...but...Michael Bay blows mad shit up.

*weeps into his Transformer's sheets that he's owned since 1991*

must resist temptation to comment

I don't use the sheets anymore, I just still have them. Same with my Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles sheets.

mudshovel:
To say transformers is the WORST FILM EVER is a pretty big call.

Watch Frankenstein Reborn or Good vs Evil.

I had fun watching Transformers 2; sure it is soiled by Bay but it is still a decent film.

But I guess trashing things is popular and easy.

Yes it is sadly I have to do it to vent some anger after watching this movie, because for me an OK movie out of a Good Franchise is a failure unless it is Good or better.

Thyunda:

1337mokro:
*snip*

You know, the main criticism I found on from so-called professional critics was that ROTF lacked a human touch.
Shocking.

You know the main critics are not worth their shit, they are not humans, just computers spouting nonsense, much like myself. Yes I believe all that I have said to be gibberish said in agony and hatred for Bay and his latest Rape victim. But in everything there is a hearth of truth and I just ask myself how much truth was there in what i just said.

If your not going to quote me just write @ enter name here it saves you time and me being edited to snip.

But this was my main problem with the film, like it or not the human contact element was already fucked because we can never relate to a whiny nerd with medium-hot girlfriend unless it is a comedy. That is why I desperately wished the robots to step in and build that last brisge to the audience but no they just starred as extra's.

Any way I chalked down my opinion like it or not that is how I saw and experienced Transformers 2. You might love it but most people with brains (10% of the world) will not give it to long a glance.

1337mokro:

KishwaJones:
This isn't a movie review, this is just an opportunity to push your vendetta against its director on impressionable others, regardless of whether the movie at hand was good or not.

No it WAS HORRIBLE. Having grown up as a latchkey kid spending my days with Zelda, Mario, He-man (I have.. the power!!!! AWESOME) and other icons of times gone by I can say this is a slaughtering of all that is good, about an hour inwards there is a horrible scene which will just make you want to rip your eyes out of your sockets and crush em just not to have to see it. Which is a plus because after that it only gets worse.

You will get to see a character who effectively "killed" (they never really die without getting resurrected) Optimus Prime once do nothing throughout the entire movie. You see Prime kill The Fallen who was something as an Evil God in the comics and series and had to be killed by Primus (Cybertron, the planet, and the first of the Autobots) himself. Devastator who is 6 not 7 smaller robots who got brainwashed and forced to join the Decepticons does not get any action and neither is his counter part Omega Supreme introduced who are in fact Yin and Yang each others polar opposites with bitter rivalry which is also never introduced in the film.

Butt I am getting of point here the fact is just that so much has been cut, reedited, ignored, mashed up for the fratboys that we have come round to Batman of the 90's where it was treated in exactly the same way and sucked. However as we have seen with the latest Batman, taking a franchise seriously yields awesome (however in consequent with the comics) movies.

A good movie can be forgiven for not following the plot, I laughed when the Joker started some tale about how his dad cut his face up which we can interpret as him lying and making up stories because we all know the real story and acting like he saw Batman for the first time but it was all good because the movie was good, here we see the Raping of Transformers 2 which is unforgivable.

Don't act elitist, like you're the only one that is entitled to "suffer". I grew up with Transformers as a child too and that is the reason I have taken the time to go see both the first and second films by Bay. As far as I'm concerned, they weren't flawless, but I went to see them to embrace that part of my childhood again. Bay has changed the robots, I can accept that though, it adds a more emersive aspect to the film when you can relate it to things in everyday life. I don't see why people have got to leave the cinema with faces like smacked arses feeling like they've had their money ripped from them and have been personally insulted by Michael Bay, if you don't like it, fine, I don't give a shit and I'll quite gladly bet that Bay couldn't care either. Personally it WAS Transformers for me, in another guise like the many Television adaptations and Magazine off-shoots there have been before it, but that's probably because I didn't enter the cinema with my arse clenched tight and a notepad ready to note every last insignificant problem I could comprehend like an absolute pissant...

I totally agree with everything Movie Bob says about this movie, and i FUCKING hate Michael Bay as a director..... but i still really enjoyed Transformers 2, and i really enjoyed the first one as well. TBH its Michael FUCKING Bay, dont tell me you actually expected he would listen to the fans (the actual fans, not fans of the first film that is) and not make all the mistakes that have been his hallmark for so many years? not a chance. Personally i had no expectations atall for either of these movies, and as such no dissapointment.

Seems like a lot of people hate this sort of stuff; the CGI and type of action. I can't see why? Movies go through a lot of transactions in the course of their history. At the current point, we're really utilzing CGI to the best of its value which we are really making some great worlds and creatures we could never dream of before.

The movie is not good in any stretch of the yard through any technical workings (aside the CGI team, and camera work was quite good) but it's all just visual sex. Nothing more. Jokes, hot girls, snazzy cars, explosions, robots. It's all there just to throw you back on your seat for a second and let you enjoy yourself. I see nothing wrong with that. Sometimes I don't want to see a film for its own artistic merit and whatnot, I just want to watch one to escape.

I personally hate this critism and how everyone is riding on the Michael Bay hate train. He's not bad. No he is not! He's suited however to these films. John Woo type movies with jerky cameras and big budgets. If he was to direct a drama, or another sort of genre, he would suck. He's not suited for that.

Michael Bay is suited to make Transformers and is doing a damn good job at it!

I enjoyed the first and the second seems quite impressive.

Worst movie of the century? I object to that!
You forgot about eragon and starwars episode 1.
Other then that yeah I agree with everything else you have said.

Krakyn:

murphy7801:

Krakyn:
But...but...Michael Bay blows mad shit up.

*weeps into his Transformer's sheets that he's owned since 1991*

must resist temptation to comment

I don't use the sheets anymore, I just still have them. Same with my Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles sheets.

childhood slowly being destroyed

ZeroMachine:

EDIT 2:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Now...unless the meatbags can turn into something else, get the FUCK out of the film!

*gasp*

When did HK-47 get here? Can I have your autograph! Just... er... don't shoot me... :D

Clearly that was Bender Bending Rodriguez and I still hold to the opinion that those two are related somehow. Hmm...

The_root_of_all_evil:

Eldritch Warlord:

Same, I don't know why these people can't be entertained by visually impressive and awesome sounding robots and explosions.

I used to be, but then I learned to walk.

^This. I can easily "turn off" my brain and enjoy a good summer action movie but this was just sad. Even as a non-Transformers fan for me this movie was completely bland and uninspired. I could not in good conscience recommend it to anyone.

The original transformers (G1 series 1-3 and the movie) were filled with bad puns and one dimensional characters. In fact, the killed off much loved characters just because they wanted to make a new toy line. They pushed the plot ahead 20 years and the movie was mainly about characters you had NEVER met before.

That was franchise murder.

Circus Ascendant:
Bit of a critique of a critique here...

Suddenly he's a fixture on the Escapist and he's TALKING MUCH FASTER. Now I like MovieBob a LOT, and I was just waiting for him to get a proper regular position, but still. He flashes up text while he's talking like Yahtzee does, except (very similar to Yahtzee's quicktime event rant here) when Yahtzee does it it's at least reasonable to read them as you're going. With the ones in this, I had to go back and pause it to actually read all of it. Yes it's funny stuff, but all that it served to do because it was on screen for such a painfully short time was serve to break up his review and make it more disjointed.

This whole thing has given me an idea... to the microphone!

But still. I quite enjoyed both the new Transformers movies, and I am a HUGE fan of the original source material. Considering who Michael Bay IS, I think we have got off exceptionally lightly.

Yay, I'm gonna critique the critiquers critique. You can't say that he's being like Yahtzee just because he's using pictures and words to demonstrate his opinion, that kind of stuff has been on since the internet, was the interweb. But yeah his stuff goes by too fast.

Thyunda:
The robot designs are ugly? Oh, here's an argument for you: IT'S NOT G1!
Yeah, G1 was great and all, but if I wanted to watch it, I'd buy the DVDs. The moment somebody tries to make the robots look less human, and more alien, every damn fan stands up and starts to cry.
Seriously. That's just immature. I liked this movie's Wheelie. He didn't rhyme like a douchebag. And as for Skids and Mudflap, I thought I'd hate them. I didn't. I liked them.

And what's this about it all being the humans? I can't think of one scene that wasn't interrupted by an obnoxious robot.

I'm sorry, did you even see this movie or just read a Transfan forum and look at some pictures? Yeah, they made Devastator do nothing but dig a hole. What were you wanting him to do? Go on a destructive rampage? IN A DESERT?

Sunset..? Where'd you get that idea from? Ok, so the entire first film was set in the sunset. The opening scene to this is at night. The college scenes and the desert are in broad daylight. Though, oddly Shanghai was in daylight before NEST got there.

And I thought the fight scenes were pretty damn clear. The one featuring Optimus Prime and the three Decepticons? That was clear. I saw everything. Bumblebee versus Rampage and Ravage - That was also clear.

And as for Soundwave, what did you expect a communications specialist to do? He did what his G1 job was. Even had the same voice actor. But nope, because he didn't stomp around all blue and cassette player-like, he's bad.

Oh yeah. I noticed the little dig at the flames. "Optimus Prime has flames! What are we going to do?!"
Grow up. Seriously. Somebody paints flames onto a big truck, and you get all upset. G1 was great and all, but once again, if I wanted to watch it, I WOULD.

And finally - The human characters. How do you relate to a plot about giant robots? It's like trying to empathise with the bloody penguins from Happy Feet. They emoted and spoke, but they were just penguins, and I don't think anybody here gave a damn whether Mumble could sing or not, or whether his dancing was a talent or a stylish seizure.

As has been mentioned, this sounds like a review hating for the sake of hating. Go ahead, hug your G1 DVDs and figures, tell them it'll be alright. That they'll come back one day.

They're not going to. Otherwise they wouldn't be worth so much, would they, Afterburner? He's my only G1 figure. :(

He not just mad because it's a bad Transformaers movie, he's mad because it's a bad movie that people like for some reason and Michal Bay is making tons of money off of it.

Devestator could have had someone else do the digging while he went and kicked ass, Soundwave could have been cut out of the movie altogether instead of having an almost menial part, There could have been less of the horrible acting from the people, and Michal Bay could try and learn why people became interested in the franchise to begin with.

Also, as far as the sunset comment goes, it's just to make a pooint. I'm sure that they didn't make all the actors and animators drink fifty cans of Red Bull before they started working each day.

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