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man I wish the ps3 could still play ps2/ps1 games

if this price cut does come(maybe this Christmas) it could help them and soon they make some money

Yeah, not many good games out for the thing.

I still don't think people understand. The PS3 is like a gossip machine. It is like Brangelina. Everyone is talking about it because it is a bitch. It's gonna have a long shelf life because people just can't stop talking about it. 360 is lukewarm in terms of gossip. There isn't anything else coming out for it that is exclusive or that I would really want to play. I have pretty much forgotten all about it.

I can see Microsoft going for a cartridge system using flash memory SSD sort of thing.
Also nice to see someone talking sense about ps3 dev costs so the fan boys can be quite and except the truth.

I'd like to point out, that the PS3 is alot cheaper for them to make now than it was. It costs them $400 per unit.

wiki:
Since the system's launch, production costs have been reduced significantly as a result of phasing out the Emotion Engine chip and falling hardware costs.[80][81] The cost of manufacturing Cell microprocessors has fallen dramatically as a result of moving to the 65 nm production process,[81][82] and Blu-ray diodes have become cheaper to manufacture.[80][83] As of January 2008, each unit costs around $400 to manufacture.[84][85]

I'm not a developer, and yes, this is an overheard rumor... But what's the Internet for, if not repeating rumors? ;)

I used to work out with a playtest manager for a large gaming company. Way back when the original Xbox first came out, he told me that the developers were instructed to leave (I believe) 20% unutilized overhead in memory, processor, and video processing. This 20% would be utilized by later games, to show that there games were improving after the initial splash.

With their "intentionally hard to develop for" theory, Sony may have been expecting this effect as well.

fix-the-spade:
Interesting, but I think you're wrong on Blu Ray, I thinks it's going to turn into something of a loss for Sony.

It's only going to last until movie downloads become widespread, at which point it could find itself as the uncomfortable half way between cheap and easy to find DVD's and cheap and easy to find HD downloads.
The (legal) choices for downloads aren't massive at the moment but they're no worse than Blu Ray. I think a lot of technophiles are just going skip Blu Ray and go straight to downloaded movies they can watch on any screen in the house.

Very interesting points with that actually, but then it's a storage issue, not to mention that solid copies won't be killed off so easily and so quickly. This will have enough time to flourish before such things happen.

I have always been in the belief that Blu-Ray would help a great deal in the long run. When virtual movie buys are mainstream, it still won't stop Blu-Rays from being pretty much a household name whenever that time comes, because it's getting market penetration by being shoehorned in the PS3.

I also think that the Blu-Ray drive will be the reason the PS3 comes second all in all. It would have been the ultimate disaster for Sony if HD-DVD won the conflict, but it was not to be. This definitely has no need to exist for gaming this generation, but next generation it will be important.

Also concerning the storage issue for Microsoft, what stops them from creating their own storage medium? Nintendo did it with the GameCube.

murphy7801:
I can see Microsoft going for a cartridge system using flash memory SSD sort of thing.
Also nice to see someone talking sense about ps3 dev costs so the fan boys can be quite and except the truth.

I would be genuinely shocked if anyone thought that the development cost of the PS3 and 360 were identical, I really would be. 360 games need around 500k to break even in the devs eyes, and the PS3 needs more than that.

Gerazzi:
Yeah, not many good games out for the thing.

There are plenty, there just aren't enough to justify the price tag.

R.O.:
I still don't think people understand. The PS3 is like a gossip machine. It is like Brangelina. Everyone is talking about it because it is a bitch. It's gonna have a long shelf life because people just can't stop talking about it. 360 is lukewarm in terms of gossip. There isn't anything else coming out for it that is exclusive or that I would really want to play. I have pretty much forgotten all about it.

The 360 doesn't actually need gossip in order to help it's sales, the sales of 360s are as steady as they always have been. That is pretty much going to go on until it's saturation period (which won't come for a while because of Natal), but when the saturation period comes, it will fall fairly hard.

Jumplion:
Activision threatens to cut support from the PS3. Does anyone else see how stupid that really is? As much as the PS3 is lagging behind a bit, cutting support for a respectable 23 million people isn't very good.

Depends on how many of those 23 million you think have an Xbox as well, and exactly how hard it is to make a decent port from your Xbox/PC to the PS3. At a certain point, especially in this economy, you have to cut the lowest performing unit.

Not to mention the crux of the matter; Sony could easily cut support back. The Guitar Hero franchise pulls in big moolah for Activision, and many of the songs they get are from Sony. If Activision cut support from Sony, Sony could easily cut support back by refusing to let them use any songs, thus effectively ruining the franchise. They have more power then you think.

I think you need to learn what a contract is. You seem to be assuming that Activision is dumb enough to sign a contract for their franchise that allows Sony to revoke the liscences they've already provided Activision at any time. Sorry, but given the Brutal Legend thing, I'd be willing to bet that Activision's legal team is a fairly nasty and cunning group. The worst that Sony could do would be to refuse to grant them any songs for future Guitar Hero games, but Sony certainly isn't the only label out there.

Kwil:
I think you need to learn what a contract is. You seem to be assuming that Activision is dumb enough to sign a contract for their franchise that allows Sony to revoke the liscences they've already provided Activision at any time. Sorry, but given the Brutal Legend thing, I'd be willing to bet that Activision's legal team is a fairly nasty and cunning group. The worst that Sony could do would be to refuse to grant them any songs for future Guitar Hero games, but Sony certainly isn't the only label out there.

List of Sony music labels.

Take a look at the list of Guitar Hero songs in it. Every band that is included in the game, but is owned by Sony, that band is out. Ozzy Ozbourne and Blue Oyster Cult comes to mind (I have no idea who's popular or not when it comes to music), not to mention that Sony is part of the RIAA and as pointed out by cleverlymadeup before, Sony could easily convince the other 3 people in the organization (Warner Bross, Universal, and another one) to cut support from the franchise to.

Sony has more power than Kotick thinks, and all he's done with his statement is boil bad blood with the company and others. Sony also has movie rights that Activision uses like James Bond movies and one or two others, so there goes the next game. Pulling support would hurt Activision more than it thinks.

wrecker77:
PEOPLE! quit your bitching about the price of the ps3. its only 100 dollers above a 360. the price keeps going down and down! they are expected to make a price drop in december or something. i am sick of hearing people complain its to expensive when its really not as expensive as they make it seem. how come the users, the people in the forums, the comunity are the only ones that support the ps3. gametrailers is too biased to even go into. one that really got to me was whrn G4 reviewed kz2 and they started off with this sentance.

"good news, ps3 fans now have something to buy other than heavenly sword figures and anti depressents".

fricken a. why are the big journalists and companys so hateful? why? if you have 1 good reason, please ime aaalll ears! The ps3 has become a force to be reckond with over the years with AAA titles like killzone 2 and inFAMOUS. just stop bitching and accept that its just as good as 360.

It's hard to develop for, the code is harder to work with. Of course those titles are AAA, but they're also all exclusives, Activision usually make multi-platform games. Guess who's always holding release dates back? PS3

New Troll:
And I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft went with HD-DVD instead of BluRay.

No. That would just be stupid.

thing is, even if the PS3 was cheaper than th 360, i still wouldnt buy one, because there are no games on that i have any interest in. nothing they're brought out so far has even slightly piqued my interest. aside from Killzone 2 (which i hear is actually pretty mediocre), can someone name a REALLY good exclusive? something that blows the pants off anything the 360 or the Wii have put forward?

Before this sparks more flame-wars, can I say this to the fanboys of any console: Fuck off. Go back to playing your games. We don't care about what you say. Leave this thread to the intelligent people.

What I like about Sony and why I'm sticking with them is that despite all these threat and comments about not supporting the PS3, they're continually fighting back, and are even experimenting with stuff. They're very tenacious, and I respect that.

Gerazzi:
Yeah, not many good games out for the thing.

Of course there fucking are, otherwise 23 million people wouldn't have bought one.

Archaon6044:
thing is, even if the PS3 was cheaper than th 360, i still wouldnt buy one, because there are no games on that i have any interest in. nothing they're brought out so far has even slightly piqued my interest. aside from Killzone 2 (which i hear is actually pretty mediocre), can someone name a REALLY good exclusive? something that blows the pants off anything the 360 or the Wii have put forward?

The Ratchet and Clank series

Megacherv:

Gerazzi:
Yeah, not many good games out for the thing.

Of course there fucking are, otherwise 23 million people wouldn't have bought one.

Archaon6044:
thing is, even if the PS3 was cheaper than th 360, i still wouldnt buy one, because there are no games on that i have any interest in. nothing they're brought out so far has even slightly piqued my interest. aside from Killzone 2 (which i hear is actually pretty mediocre), can someone name a REALLY good exclusive? something that blows the pants off anything the 360 or the Wii have put forward?

The Ratchet and Clank series

Perhaps you should play the games yourself and not listen to others opinions so you can develop your own?

(<3 Killzone 2)

Megacherv:

Gerazzi:
Yeah, not many good games out for the thing.

Of course there fucking are, otherwise 23 million people wouldn't have bought one.

Archaon6044:
thing is, even if the PS3 was cheaper than th 360, i still wouldnt buy one, because there are no games on that i have any interest in. nothing they're brought out so far has even slightly piqued my interest. aside from Killzone 2 (which i hear is actually pretty mediocre), can someone name a REALLY good exclusive? something that blows the pants off anything the 360 or the Wii have put forward?

The Ratchet and Clank series

ehhhhhhhh....
No.
Have you played the new Ratchet and Clank games?
They both sucked eggs. That was putting it mildly.
And by no good games I meant exclusives.

Goldbling:

wrecker77:
PEOPLE! quit your bitching about the price of the ps3. its only 100 dollers above a 360. the price keeps going down and down! they are expected to make a price drop in december or something. i am sick of hearing people complain its to expensive when its really not as expensive as they make it seem. how come the users, the people in the forums, the comunity are the only ones that support the ps3. gametrailers is too biased to even go into. one that really got to me was whrn G4 reviewed kz2 and they started off with this sentance.

"good news, ps3 fans now have something to buy other than heavenly sword figures and anti depressents".

fricken a. why are the big journalists and companys so hateful? why? if you have 1 good reason, please ime aaalll ears! The ps3 has become a force to be reckond with over the years with AAA titles like killzone 2 and inFAMOUS. just stop bitching and accept that its just as good as 360.

It's hard to develop for, the code is harder to work with. Of course those titles are AAA, but they're also all exclusives, Activision usually make multi-platform games. Guess who's always holding release dates back? PS3

see but its really not that hard to develop the code for. during e3 o8, during sony's press conference, they played a clip of them talking to a bunch of devs including activision and ubisoft. all they whould talk about how they can get out their huge ideas because of the ps3's excelent procesor and the seemingly endless space to work with. and remember how many time killzone 2 and inFAMOUS were pushed back? alot. but now look at those games and you can tell the extra wait was worth it. i almost dont wana say this next thing because my rep will automaticly be set and dont take this the wrong way but this means that devs are realizing the ps3 is getting more and more AAA exclusives and are getting wary. they should be supporting it more. microsauft isnt being treated like this. bt it almost makes me feel good knowing the ps3 is pumping out more great exclusives than microsauft. timed exclusives and dlc will only get them so far.

The way I see it, Sony's gaming franchise is losing money regardless. And a price cut would probably speed up the process. And lets not forget we've been seeing some of the Playstation's exclusives go out onto the other consoles. Given they are third-party, but you get the point.

I really don't believe Sony will fret over Activision not making games for them. I for one do believe this will back-fire into Activision's face. And, hopefully, the Spider-Man franchise will be taken up by a publisher that isn't full of itself.

fix-the-spade:
Interesting, but I think you're wrong on Blu Ray, I thinks it's going to turn into something of a loss for Sony.

It's only going to last until movie downloads become widespread, at which point it could find itself as the uncomfortable half way between cheap and easy to find DVD's and cheap and easy to find HD downloads.
The (legal) choices for downloads aren't massive at the moment but they're no worse than Blu Ray. I think a lot of technophiles are just going skip Blu Ray and go straight to downloaded movies they can watch on any screen in the house.

I agree its not a win for Sony, but for other reasons was well - I think the Blu-ray isn't enough of an improvement over DVD as DVD was over tapes, and so it doesn't really make the price point for me. Add to that, these downloadable movies and the fact that other companies will be making Blu ray players too for half the price means that I don't see Sony profiting enough from Blu ray to justify the loses they are taking on the PS3

It's like watching a giant colossal being fall.

wrecker77:

Goldbling:

wrecker77:
PEOPLE! quit your bitching about the price of the ps3. its only 100 dollers above a 360. the price keeps going down and down! they are expected to make a price drop in december or something. i am sick of hearing people complain its to expensive when its really not as expensive as they make it seem. how come the users, the people in the forums, the comunity are the only ones that support the ps3. gametrailers is too biased to even go into. one that really got to me was whrn G4 reviewed kz2 and they started off with this sentance.

"good news, ps3 fans now have something to buy other than heavenly sword figures and anti depressents".

fricken a. why are the big journalists and companys so hateful? why? if you have 1 good reason, please ime aaalll ears! The ps3 has become a force to be reckond with over the years with AAA titles like killzone 2 and inFAMOUS. just stop bitching and accept that its just as good as 360.

It's hard to develop for, the code is harder to work with. Of course those titles are AAA, but they're also all exclusives, Activision usually make multi-platform games. Guess who's always holding release dates back? PS3

see but its really not that hard to develop the code for. during e3 o8, during sony's press conference, they played a clip of them talking to a bunch of devs including activision and ubisoft. all they whould talk about how they can get out their huge ideas because of the ps3's excelent procesor and the seemingly endless space to work with. and remember how many time killzone 2 and inFAMOUS were pushed back? alot. but now look at those games and you can tell the extra wait was worth it. i almost dont wana say this next thing because my rep will automaticly be set and dont take this the wrong way but this means that devs are realizing the ps3 is getting more and more AAA exclusives and are getting wary. they should be supporting it more. microsauft isnt being treated like this. bt it almost makes me feel good knowing the ps3 is pumping out more great exclusives than microsauft. timed exclusives and dlc will only get them so far.

Exclusives are exclusives, and you keep using KZ2 and InFamous like their the 1337ist games for the console. And have you seen the DLC for 360 versus PS3? PS3 has almost none, the XBLA also has many more games and a lot are actually good, unlike your flowers game witch tries to show off the PS3 hardware and fails at. Also developers arent limited on the 360 or PS3.

Goldbling:

wrecker77:

Goldbling:

wrecker77:
PEOPLE! quit your bitching about the price of the ps3. its only 100 dollers above a 360. the price keeps going down and down! they are expected to make a price drop in december or something. i am sick of hearing people complain its to expensive when its really not as expensive as they make it seem. how come the users, the people in the forums, the comunity are the only ones that support the ps3. gametrailers is too biased to even go into. one that really got to me was whrn G4 reviewed kz2 and they started off with this sentance.

"good news, ps3 fans now have something to buy other than heavenly sword figures and anti depressents".

fricken a. why are the big journalists and companys so hateful? why? if you have 1 good reason, please ime aaalll ears! The ps3 has become a force to be reckond with over the years with AAA titles like killzone 2 and inFAMOUS. just stop bitching and accept that its just as good as 360.

It's hard to develop for, the code is harder to work with. Of course those titles are AAA, but they're also all exclusives, Activision usually make multi-platform games. Guess who's always holding release dates back? PS3

see but its really not that hard to develop the code for. during e3 o8, during sony's press conference, they played a clip of them talking to a bunch of devs including activision and ubisoft. all they whould talk about how they can get out their huge ideas because of the ps3's excelent procesor and the seemingly endless space to work with. and remember how many time killzone 2 and inFAMOUS were pushed back? alot. but now look at those games and you can tell the extra wait was worth it. i almost dont wana say this next thing because my rep will automaticly be set and dont take this the wrong way but this means that devs are realizing the ps3 is getting more and more AAA exclusives and are getting wary. they should be supporting it more. microsauft isnt being treated like this. bt it almost makes me feel good knowing the ps3 is pumping out more great exclusives than microsauft. timed exclusives and dlc will only get them so far.

Exclusives are exclusives, and you keep using KZ2 and InFamous like their the 1337ist games for the console. And have you seen the DLC for 360 versus PS3? PS3 has almost none, the XBLA also has many more games and a lot are actually good, unlike your flowers game witch tries to show off the PS3 hardware and fails at. Also developers arent limited on the 360 or PS3.

killzone 2 and inFamous are verry good games. their system sellers. but if you need more proof just ask. resistance 2 and littlebigplanet whould like a word with you. ps3 gets dlc, it just doesnt really get exclusives. like i said, microsauft cant base their compony on timed exclusives and dlc. OBVIOUSLY the xbla has more games than ps3 because their you can create your own. ps3 cant do that. i diddnt say ps3 has a better online. i play with my freinds 360 (i have a 360 but dont have live yet.) and use his live. i know 360 has better community features. sonys just playing catchup. by 20 10 sony will be just as good, if not better than xbla. oh, and flower is awesome. explain how it failed? did it say it wanted to be ambitious and have lovable charecters and huge shootouts? no, it wanted to be a fun relaxing simulation game. i absolutly did what it tried to acomplish. it can render millions of blades of grass and keep looking beautiful at 80 miles an hour.

devs find the 360 easy to develop for? nope

http://www.doublefine.com/news.php/site/comments/bruetal_legend_takes_another_life/

Goldbling:

wrecker77:

Goldbling:

wrecker77:
PEOPLE! quit your bitching about the price of the ps3. its only 100 dollers above a 360. the price keeps going down and down! they are expected to make a price drop in december or something. i am sick of hearing people complain its to expensive when its really not as expensive as they make it seem. how come the users, the people in the forums, the comunity are the only ones that support the ps3. gametrailers is too biased to even go into. one that really got to me was whrn G4 reviewed kz2 and they started off with this sentance.

"good news, ps3 fans now have something to buy other than heavenly sword figures and anti depressents".

fricken a. why are the big journalists and companys so hateful? why? if you have 1 good reason, please ime aaalll ears! The ps3 has become a force to be reckond with over the years with AAA titles like killzone 2 and inFAMOUS. just stop bitching and accept that its just as good as 360.

It's hard to develop for, the code is harder to work with. Of course those titles are AAA, but they're also all exclusives, Activision usually make multi-platform games. Guess who's always holding release dates back? PS3

see but its really not that hard to develop the code for. during e3 o8, during sony's press conference, they played a clip of them talking to a bunch of devs including activision and ubisoft. all they whould talk about how they can get out their huge ideas because of the ps3's excelent procesor and the seemingly endless space to work with. and remember how many time killzone 2 and inFAMOUS were pushed back? alot. but now look at those games and you can tell the extra wait was worth it. i almost dont wana say this next thing because my rep will automaticly be set and dont take this the wrong way but this means that devs are realizing the ps3 is getting more and more AAA exclusives and are getting wary. they should be supporting it more. microsauft isnt being treated like this. bt it almost makes me feel good knowing the ps3 is pumping out more great exclusives than microsauft. timed exclusives and dlc will only get them so far.

Exclusives are exclusives, and you keep using KZ2 and InFamous like their the 1337ist games for the console. And have you seen the DLC for 360 versus PS3? PS3 has almost none, the XBLA also has many more games and a lot are actually good, unlike your flowers game witch tries to show off the PS3 hardware and fails at. Also developers arent limited on the 360 or PS3.

wrecker77:

Goldbling:

wrecker77:

Goldbling:

wrecker77:
PEOPLE! quit your bitching about the price of the ps3. its only 100 dollers above a 360. the price keeps going down and down! they are expected to make a price drop in december or something. i am sick of hearing people complain its to expensive when its really not as expensive as they make it seem. how come the users, the people in the forums, the comunity are the only ones that support the ps3. gametrailers is too biased to even go into. one that really got to me was whrn G4 reviewed kz2 and they started off with this sentance.

"good news, ps3 fans now have something to buy other than heavenly sword figures and anti depressents".

fricken a. why are the big journalists and companys so hateful? why? if you have 1 good reason, please ime aaalll ears! The ps3 has become a force to be reckond with over the years with AAA titles like killzone 2 and inFAMOUS. just stop bitching and accept that its just as good as 360.

It's hard to develop for, the code is harder to work with. Of course those titles are AAA, but they're also all exclusives, Activision usually make multi-platform games. Guess who's always holding release dates back? PS3

see but its really not that hard to develop the code for. during e3 o8, during sony's press conference, they played a clip of them talking to a bunch of devs including activision and ubisoft. all they whould talk about how they can get out their huge ideas because of the ps3's excelent procesor and the seemingly endless space to work with. and remember how many time killzone 2 and inFAMOUS were pushed back? alot. but now look at those games and you can tell the extra wait was worth it. i almost dont wana say this next thing because my rep will automaticly be set and dont take this the wrong way but this means that devs are realizing the ps3 is getting more and more AAA exclusives and are getting wary. they should be supporting it more. microsauft isnt being treated like this. bt it almost makes me feel good knowing the ps3 is pumping out more great exclusives than microsauft. timed exclusives and dlc will only get them so far.

Exclusives are exclusives, and you keep using KZ2 and InFamous like their the 1337ist games for the console. And have you seen the DLC for 360 versus PS3? PS3 has almost none, the XBLA also has many more games and a lot are actually good, unlike your flowers game witch tries to show off the PS3 hardware and fails at. Also developers arent limited on the 360 or PS3.

killzone 2 and inFamous are verry good games. their system sellers. but if you need more proof just ask. resistance 2 and littlebigplanet whould like a word with you. ps3 gets dlc, it just doesnt really get exclusives. like i said, microsauft cant base their compony on timed exclusives and dlc. OBVIOUSLY the xbla has more games than ps3 because their you can create your own. ps3 cant do that. i diddnt say ps3 has a better online. i play with my freinds 360 (i have a 360 but dont have live yet.) and use his live. i know 360 has better community features. sonys just playing catchup. by 20 10 sony will be just as good, if not better than xbla. oh, and flower is awesome. explain how it failed? did it say it wanted to be ambitious and have lovable charecters and huge shootouts? no, it wanted to be a fun relaxing simulation game. i absolutly did what it tried to acomplish. it can render millions of blades of grass and keep looking beautiful at 80 miles an hour.

devs find the 360 easy to develop for? nope

http://www.doublefine.com/news.php/site/comments/bruetal_legend_takes_another_life/

Please explain what RROD has to do with development? oh right you can't.

The 360 can render nearly the same number of objects on one screen as a PS3, plus gaming isn't about graphics it's about fun, flowers does not look very fun, and I'm not buying it just to find out. I own LBP and it's pretty good but that don't excuse the time it takes to develop.

Goldbling:

Goldbling:

wrecker77:

Goldbling:

wrecker77:
PEOPLE! quit your bitching about the price of the ps3. its only 100 dollers above a 360. the price keeps going down and down! they are expected to make a price drop in december or something. i am sick of hearing people complain its to expensive when its really not as expensive as they make it seem. how come the users, the people in the forums, the comunity are the only ones that support the ps3. gametrailers is too biased to even go into. one that really got to me was whrn G4 reviewed kz2 and they started off with this sentance.

"good news, ps3 fans now have something to buy other than heavenly sword figures and anti depressents".

fricken a. why are the big journalists and companys so hateful? why? if you have 1 good reason, please ime aaalll ears! The ps3 has become a force to be reckond with over the years with AAA titles like killzone 2 and inFAMOUS. just stop bitching and accept that its just as good as 360.

It's hard to develop for, the code is harder to work with. Of course those titles are AAA, but they're also all exclusives, Activision usually make multi-platform games. Guess who's always holding release dates back? PS3

see but its really not that hard to develop the code for. during e3 o8, during sony's press conference, they played a clip of them talking to a bunch of devs including activision and ubisoft. all they whould talk about how they can get out their huge ideas because of the ps3's excelent procesor and the seemingly endless space to work with. and remember how many time killzone 2 and inFAMOUS were pushed back? alot. but now look at those games and you can tell the extra wait was worth it. i almost dont wana say this next thing because my rep will automaticly be set and dont take this the wrong way but this means that devs are realizing the ps3 is getting more and more AAA exclusives and are getting wary. they should be supporting it more. microsauft isnt being treated like this. bt it almost makes me feel good knowing the ps3 is pumping out more great exclusives than microsauft. timed exclusives and dlc will only get them so far.

Exclusives are exclusives, and you keep using KZ2 and InFamous like their the 1337ist games for the console. And have you seen the DLC for 360 versus PS3? PS3 has almost none, the XBLA also has many more games and a lot are actually good, unlike your flowers game witch tries to show off the PS3 hardware and fails at. Also developers arent limited on the 360 or PS3.

wrecker77:

Goldbling:

wrecker77:

Goldbling:

wrecker77:
PEOPLE! quit your bitching about the price of the ps3. its only 100 dollers above a 360. the price keeps going down and down! they are expected to make a price drop in december or something. i am sick of hearing people complain its to expensive when its really not as expensive as they make it seem. how come the users, the people in the forums, the comunity are the only ones that support the ps3. gametrailers is too biased to even go into. one that really got to me was whrn G4 reviewed kz2 and they started off with this sentance.

"good news, ps3 fans now have something to buy other than heavenly sword figures and anti depressents".

fricken a. why are the big journalists and companys so hateful? why? if you have 1 good reason, please ime aaalll ears! The ps3 has become a force to be reckond with over the years with AAA titles like killzone 2 and inFAMOUS. just stop bitching and accept that its just as good as 360.

It's hard to develop for, the code is harder to work with. Of course those titles are AAA, but they're also all exclusives, Activision usually make multi-platform games. Guess who's always holding release dates back? PS3

see but its really not that hard to develop the code for. during e3 o8, during sony's press conference, they played a clip of them talking to a bunch of devs including activision and ubisoft. all they whould talk about how they can get out their huge ideas because of the ps3's excelent procesor and the seemingly endless space to work with. and remember how many time killzone 2 and inFAMOUS were pushed back? alot. but now look at those games and you can tell the extra wait was worth it. i almost dont wana say this next thing because my rep will automaticly be set and dont take this the wrong way but this means that devs are realizing the ps3 is getting more and more AAA exclusives and are getting wary. they should be supporting it more. microsauft isnt being treated like this. bt it almost makes me feel good knowing the ps3 is pumping out more great exclusives than microsauft. timed exclusives and dlc will only get them so far.

Exclusives are exclusives, and you keep using KZ2 and InFamous like their the 1337ist games for the console. And have you seen the DLC for 360 versus PS3? PS3 has almost none, the XBLA also has many more games and a lot are actually good, unlike your flowers game witch tries to show off the PS3 hardware and fails at. Also developers arent limited on the 360 or PS3.

killzone 2 and inFamous are verry good games. their system sellers. but if you need more proof just ask. resistance 2 and littlebigplanet whould like a word with you. ps3 gets dlc, it just doesnt really get exclusives. like i said, microsauft cant base their compony on timed exclusives and dlc. OBVIOUSLY the xbla has more games than ps3 because their you can create your own. ps3 cant do that. i diddnt say ps3 has a better online. i play with my freinds 360 (i have a 360 but dont have live yet.) and use his live. i know 360 has better community features. sonys just playing catchup. by 20 10 sony will be just as good, if not better than xbla. oh, and flower is awesome. explain how it failed? did it say it wanted to be ambitious and have lovable charecters and huge shootouts? no, it wanted to be a fun relaxing simulation game. i absolutly did what it tried to acomplish. it can render millions of blades of grass and keep looking beautiful at 80 miles an hour.

devs find the 360 easy to develop for? nope

http://www.doublefine.com/news.php/site/comments/bruetal_legend_takes_another_life/

Please explain what RROD has to do with development? oh right you can't.

The 360 can render nearly the same number of objects on one screen as a PS3, plus gaming isn't about graphics it's about fun, flowers does not look very fun, and I'm not buying it just to find out. I own LBP and it's pretty good but that don't excuse the time it takes to develop.

in a way flower isnt really desigend to be fun. it can be called that if you try to turn it into a racing game or something (people really try to. i dont get it but still). lets say you dont own prototype or your not the kind of sicko who enjoys unwiding by slaughtering 100 inocent people in the most brutal of ways. its not like cod where you can get really frustrated at a level. flower is just like "sup man. you can just do whatever. arent these flowers prettey? TURBO!" okay mabye that wasnt really good for explaining stuff. lbp's wait was defenitly worth it. you can tell from the first level with the credits that they put time and effort into it. the possibliblitys are endless especially because they keep supllying us with what? or right DLC.

Right now Sony is just making one last desperate attempt to keep the ps3 alive before calling it a complete failure. Whilst the graphics have potential and the Blu-ray is doing it wonders it's still way too expensive for most people which is what has been doing it in from the start and a price cut probably wont help that much...but then again one never knows

Doug:

fix-the-spade:
Interesting, but I think you're wrong on Blu Ray, I thinks it's going to turn into something of a loss for Sony.

It's only going to last until movie downloads become widespread, at which point it could find itself as the uncomfortable half way between cheap and easy to find DVD's and cheap and easy to find HD downloads.
The (legal) choices for downloads aren't massive at the moment but they're no worse than Blu Ray. I think a lot of technophiles are just going skip Blu Ray and go straight to downloaded movies they can watch on any screen in the house.

I agree its not a win for Sony, but for other reasons was well - I think the Blu-ray isn't enough of an improvement over DVD as DVD was over tapes, and so it doesn't really make the price point for me. Add to that, these downloadable movies and the fact that other companies will be making Blu ray players too for half the price means that I don't see Sony profiting enough from Blu ray to justify the loses they are taking on the PS3

No, Blu-Ray probably won't be a bright spot on the PS3's resume, but I am one of those people who wants a physical, hard copy of most things. Also, I don't trust anything online, so why would I buy a download version of anything that could be hacked or hacked into.

In other words, I'll take my chances with Blu-Ray and UMDs.

Jumplion:
List of Sony music labels.

Take a look at the list of Guitar Hero songs in it. Every band that is included in the game, but is owned by Sony, that band is out. Ozzy Ozbourne and Blue Oyster Cult comes to mind (I have no idea who's popular or not when it comes to music), not to mention that Sony is part of the RIAA and as pointed out by cleverlymadeup before, Sony could easily convince the other 3 people in the organization (Warner Bross, Universal, and another one) to cut support from the franchise to.

Sony has more power than Kotick thinks, and all he's done with his statement is boil bad blood with the company and others. Sony also has movie rights that Activision uses like James Bond movies and one or two others, so there goes the next game. Pulling support would hurt Activision more than it thinks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Warner_labels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_EMI_labels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels
Activision would do just fine.

And even that's assuming that the music drives sales of the game, and not the reverse. Guess what.. it ain't so. If you track album sales you find that those bands on Guitar Hero get a significant kick when a new Guitar Hero is released. This doesn't suggest that people who buy guitar hero are doing it because they already know and like the music that's on it, but rather because they like the game, and perhaps a song or two on the box catches their attention. Then when they hear what else is on it, they go and buy. Well, given the major labels listed above, I'm willing to bet not much would change with or without Sony.

Then assuming all of that, we need to somehow believe that the head of the PS3 division would be able to convince shareholders and the division head of Sony Music to take the hit for the console that is the worst performing in sales this generation, in a time when Sony is suffering significant losses on almost all fronts. I can imagine that meeting. "You want us to what? You realize what kind of sales these games generate for us? Why don't you just drop the price? Okay, but you're asking ME to take a loss to my side because you don't want to on yours."

Yeah, ain't gonna fly.

And then you're thinking Sony is going to convince its competitor companies in the RIAA to take a further hit to their sales right now to support Sony's gaming platform? Seriously? You actually beleive that?

racing fan:

Doug:

fix-the-spade:
Interesting, but I think you're wrong on Blu Ray, I thinks it's going to turn into something of a loss for Sony.

It's only going to last until movie downloads become widespread, at which point it could find itself as the uncomfortable half way between cheap and easy to find DVD's and cheap and easy to find HD downloads.
The (legal) choices for downloads aren't massive at the moment but they're no worse than Blu Ray. I think a lot of technophiles are just going skip Blu Ray and go straight to downloaded movies they can watch on any screen in the house.

I agree its not a win for Sony, but for other reasons was well - I think the Blu-ray isn't enough of an improvement over DVD as DVD was over tapes, and so it doesn't really make the price point for me. Add to that, these downloadable movies and the fact that other companies will be making Blu ray players too for half the price means that I don't see Sony profiting enough from Blu ray to justify the loses they are taking on the PS3

No, Blu-Ray probably won't be a bright spot on the PS3's resume, but I am one of those people who wants a physical, hard copy of most things. Also, I don't trust anything online, so why would I buy a download version of anything that could be hacked or hacked into.

In other words, I'll take my chances with Blu-Ray and UMDs.

Fair enough, but to be honest, it seems likely to me that by the time Blu-ray begins to be widespread, the next thing will turn up - be it holographic discs, whatever, etc, heh. Mainly because of the current economic climate.

Kwil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Warner_labels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_EMI_labels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels
Activision would do just fine.

Regardless, Sony still takes with them many big name bands, Activision wouldn't want to lose any potential songs in their franchise. Not to mention they would lose many songs to the Rock Band license, and I don't think Activision wants to give their rival any more advantages. Besides, Warner Bros. doesn't have Hungry like the Wolf ;)

And even that's assuming that the music drives sales of the game, and not the reverse. Guess what.. it ain't so.

Wait, a music game isn't drived by the music? What a world we live in! *coughDJHerocough*

If you track album sales you find that those bands on Guitar Hero get a significant kick when a new Guitar Hero is released. This doesn't suggest that people who buy guitar hero are doing it because they already know and like the music that's on it, but rather because they like the game, and perhaps a song or two on the box catches their attention. Then when they hear what else is on it, they go and buy. Well, given the major labels listed above, I'm willing to bet not much would change with or without Sony.

Same can be said with the Rock Band songs, which would not lose Sony support in this hypothetical situation.

Then assuming all of that, we need to somehow believe that the head of the PS3 division would be able to convince shareholders and the division head of Sony Music to take the hit for the console that is the worst performing in sales this generation,

Gross exaggeration, as I has been stated multiple times, in the first two years the PS3 has sold better than the 360 in it's first two years. Of course something would sell well if it has a year head start.

in a time when Sony is suffering significant losses on almost all fronts.

Can't argue with that.

I can imagine that meeting. "You want us to what? You realize what kind of sales these games generate for us? Why don't you just drop the price? Okay, but you're asking ME to take a loss to my side because you don't want to on yours."

Yeah, ain't gonna fly.

OR, Activision gives back support or Sony supports their rival of Rock Band and refuses to give any of their songs, and everyone is happy and moves on with their lives. I would imagine that the PS3 would still put profits for Activision regardless, and as you previously said, they'd still get money from each song downloaded (royalties and such being paid to the band/brand), so cutting support on a console that still easily makes them money is stupid for Activision, not Sony.

And then you're thinking Sony is going to convince its competitor companies in the RIAA to take a further hit to their sales right now to support Sony's gaming platform? Seriously? You actually beleive that?

Why not? Something about "not being in your best interest" or something.

DigitalJedl:

Megacherv:

Gerazzi:
Yeah, not many good games out for the thing.

Of course there fucking are, otherwise 23 million people wouldn't have bought one.

Archaon6044:
thing is, even if the PS3 was cheaper than th 360, i still wouldnt buy one, because there are no games on that i have any interest in. nothing they're brought out so far has even slightly piqued my interest. aside from Killzone 2 (which i hear is actually pretty mediocre), can someone name a REALLY good exclusive? something that blows the pants off anything the 360 or the Wii have put forward?

The Ratchet and Clank series

Perhaps you should play the games yourself and not listen to others opinions so you can develop your own?

(<3 Killzone 2)

Why you...rrr...you...RRR...yo...ARGH!

Gerazzi:

Megacherv:

Gerazzi:
Yeah, not many good games out for the thing.

Of course there fucking are, otherwise 23 million people wouldn't have bought one.

Archaon6044:
thing is, even if the PS3 was cheaper than th 360, i still wouldnt buy one, because there are no games on that i have any interest in. nothing they're brought out so far has even slightly piqued my interest. aside from Killzone 2 (which i hear is actually pretty mediocre), can someone name a REALLY good exclusive? something that blows the pants off anything the 360 or the Wii have put forward?

The Ratchet and Clank series

ehhhhhhhh....
No.
Have you played the new Ratchet and Clank games?
They both sucked eggs. That was putting it mildly.
And by no good games I meant exclusives.

Well, it's a bit extreme saying that there aren't any good games for it. All the games that I now have for the PS3 I've enjoyed loads.

$149 dollars for the deluxe Modern Warfare 2? Woo hoo, comes with some silly green glasses. As one of the highest earning video games studios in the world, I hereby decree that Activision must forthwith STFU.

And as someone who still uses a CRT television in standard definition, I couldn't care about BLUE Ray and wouldn't be bothered paying hundreds just to have a player in my console. DVD's are just fine for me. It's not as though I'm going to repurchase all the 400-odd films just to see nipple hairs on anyone not wearing a shirt.

Megacherv:

DigitalJedl:

Megacherv:

Of course there fucking are, otherwise 23 million people wouldn't have bought one.

The Ratchet and Clank series

Perhaps you should play the games yourself and not listen to others opinions so you can develop your own?

(<3 Killzone 2)

Why you...rrr...you...RRR...yo...ARGH!

Ain't I a stinker? :D

PLEASE no more SONY-autopsy articles.

obisean:

New Troll:
All this generation is really is a learning period for everyone. Sony to learn to be more humble. And Microsoft to be more patient. Hopefully they'll both learn from thier mistakes so thier next systems will be all the better.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft went with HD-DVD instead of BluRay. Sure it would keep thier system from playing movies (unless they ported them over themself), but it really doesn't matter what format thier games are on. Still would be giving Sony the upper hand, but they've done that thier whole (console) life and still are in really good shape.

Going HD-DVD would really fuck with the pirates too.

I dont see how blu-ray is a good idea for sony, infact, its one of the Ps3's problems. Very expensive, games hard to make, and overall fucking things up, meaning alot of developers struggle to put in every gameplay aspect, as, even though blu-ray isnt that much of a jump, its still hard to work with. I agree with this article quite alot.

I think BluRay will disappear once flash drives become the norm. A 256go flash drive (yup, such a thing exists already) is much better than a 50go dual layer BluRay Disc... And it will be common faster than we'd imagine, I'm sure. It just has to be cheaper to make. Also, data is transfered much faster on those than on discs, and it breaks less. Can't wait, the loading time will finally go down :)

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