Stolen Pixels #109: Let me Tell You About "Evil"

Stolen Pixels #109: Let me Tell You About "Evil"

This week the definition of evil is settled once and for all.

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HA, very true - the Overlord needs to be a 'troll for lols'. And to be fair, you can just enslave them all instead of killing them.

How is it that game developers keep confusing "evil" and "reckless stupidity?"

That was a good; that minion got righteously screwed.

You do it for the lulz! Besides, I'm quite sure the army and the empire is trying to get rid of YOU aswell. Still hilarious though, good one.

True, enslaving people is painfully difficult.

Plus, you'll probably end up doing it all over again for the sequel.

I think the last panel would have been much funnier had it just been the "see?"

I never got the whole bit where the villen kills or enslaves everyone and everything and is thus dubbed "Evil". i think Yahtzee said it best, a truely evil person would build up a shroud of benevelance, slowly gaining everyones trust, when all of a sudden, BAM! off world mining..

when will there be a game where you get to be a ruler of some sort who has to appear rightgious and good to the masses, while maintaing exsplicitly evil activities on the side, like torture for giggles, or henous genetic research? Something along the lines of the Persona Franchise, but without the whole world saving and alternate universe bit?

I don't see what that guy is complaining about, magma smoothies are the best.

"See?" xD. Brilliant.
And I totally agree with the small motivation point.
But the especially annoying factor is the fact that you are not the real leader. In fact. The short smart minion is. All the way to... hmmm... say 1/5 of game he's nice and calm towards you. But after this he just becomes starts saying "do this! Kill this! Save this!" and you... do it.

No that really doesn't make you feel like an evil overlord.
That's one of the main reasons I didn't finish overlord II.

randommaster:
I don't see what that guy is complaining about, magma smoothies are the best.

not everyone is a fire type pokemon!

cainx10a:

randommaster:
I don't see what that guy is complaining about, magma smoothies are the best.

not everyone is a fire type pokemon!

Are you sure? Every time I try to talk to someone, they're like, Char char charmander mander char.

I agree with Mr Overlord. Fun is lapdances, money and murder.....

randommaster:

cainx10a:

randommaster:
I don't see what that guy is complaining about, magma smoothies are the best.

not everyone is a fire type pokemon!

Are you sure? Every time I try to talk to someone, they're like, Char char charmander mander char.

I take it you have your translator set to pokeball?
And with games, doing it just because it is there is a weak motivator. At the least you can work to a point where you can off the short guy, or give him a severance package and implement your own agenda with a viable goal. Maybe at the least an achievement system?

Okay, I need to comment here. Because if anyone in this whacked out world has worked on the subject of evil and harnessing its bountiful pleasures...it's me.

Part of evil is in its perception, for starters. I could do alot of good and someone still hates me for it. "Look, you stupid bastard, I just saved the world. It's not MY fault it required the sacrifice of 1,00o kittens to blow up Satan's head!". Though, actually, your good is my evil right now, because each and every one of you is doing my bidding and you don't even know it. How's that work, well take a look at this.

I am one single person, no army of minions that you can see. I have apparently no power and not even a criminal record. So, what I am in reality is in the most perfect position to do...anything. The rest of the world is a long long gathering of sheep, not all from the same herd. You're baying and yelling at each other, every one of you missing that big picture: The world at large. Oh, but I can see it. I'm one ordinary person with his head in the game. I don't care about the War On {Insert Subject Here} or there's a new brand of something-or-other. Life's too much a game in itself to take it all seriously.

What is going to happen, pretty much, is this... The world is grinding itself along and it will reach a certain point where it needs people like me to act. Most people are cogs in a wheel, as though your spinning makes the world go 'round and not gravitational pull around a sun. In a situation, there are those who panic and those who do what must be done. If the act of a hero is for an ordinary person to set the world straight, despite all odds, then the one waiting to through you into chaos - for a laugh, if nothing else - is his antithesis.

The human race needs to be shown the worst psychological problem even known: Itself. The world is entirely petty and needs to be shown perspective. A hero's not going to help. You need a right bastard to throw some light on the subject here. And ironically, by that act of evil, there would be some good. Hah!

Like Yahtzee, you've missed the point Seamus.

You built up your hopes in finally playing an evil character and by the end you were so piqued in wanting to display a final burst of evilness on the world, the likes of which you would have never seen, or live to see again.

And then it let you down.

The only way it could have been more evil was to BSOD just at the final battle and wipe your save file. :)

Too true, I would prefer killing the jester bastard first but that's a good start.

Bwahahahaaa!

"You can't do that! That's..."
"...."
"See"?

Now THAT'S funny!

haha thats a good one

Great joke. It's so true -- true evil isn't mindlessly slaughtering things because you are told to -- that's called a day at the office. True evil is doing it in your spare time, for fun, just because you felt like it.

Here's waiting for a game that allows you to be some sort of... benevolent tyrant. You do whatever the hell you please to the people you rule. Get them to fight each other, even. Make the city function while still being a rather poor place to live in. The most important bit is that you come out on top of everything when the dust settles.

Hah, now that I think about it, that game would be Ankh-Morpork Tycoon.

Overlord 2 is an ironic game, as though you are allegedly an "evil overlord"(whatever that is), you become the "good guy" by stopping the evil Empire from enslaving the world.

FalloutJack:
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http://xkcd.com/610/

Hilarious!:D
Especially the last three pictures.

Hahaha!

Lemmibl:
You do it for the lulz! Besides, I'm quite sure the army and the empire is trying to get rid of YOU aswell. Still hilarious though, good one.

Ah, but there-in lies the conundrum. You're just chilling in your tower getting a lap dance from the mistress, minding your own business, when suddenly a legion of the kingdom's armies arrive at your doorstep to invade and boot you out. At this point, you're no longer playing the villain, they are the villains now, and you're the anti-hero. Thus, the only way you can be "playing the villain" is if you attack them first... but that's where the problem lies. Just why are you attacking them? On a gameplay front, the game works just fine. But on a story front, the game has nothing to offer to the player who wanted to be the villain.

samsonguy920:
Charmander char char mander charmander mander?

Mander char mander mander charmander. Char charmander char char, mander char charmander. Charmander char char mander charmander

No, my translator is working fine, I just have no idea what's going on.

Yeah, I have to agree with Yahtzee's comparison of Overlord 2 to pikmin. The thing is, though, that Pikmin gave you a reason to care, both because there was a strict 30-day limit, and because the pikmin were cute and you felt bad when they died.

If I had a magical dark tower over pools of lava, I would make a magical Magma Cannon and shoot it around at random places.

So I guess the minion is dead now? That was hilarious.

Last panels were amusingly funny and sad at the same time. Poor bastard.

WhiteTigerShiro:

Lemmibl:
You do it for the lulz! Besides, I'm quite sure the army and the empire is trying to get rid of YOU aswell. Still hilarious though, good one.

Ah, but there-in lies the conundrum. You're just chilling in your tower getting a lap dance from the mistress, minding your own business, when suddenly a legion of the kingdom's armies arrive at your doorstep to invade and boot you out. At this point, you're no longer playing the villain, they are the villains now, and you're the anti-hero. Thus, the only way you can be "playing the villain" is if you attack them first... but that's where the problem lies. Just why are you attacking them? On a gameplay front, the game works just fine. But on a story front, the game has nothing to offer to the player who wanted to be the villain.

There is the possibility you have been doing various slight evil things are the empire decides you are a public menace. Therefore they attack you first but you are still the evil one.

Markness:

WhiteTigerShiro:

Lemmibl:
You do it for the lulz! Besides, I'm quite sure the army and the empire is trying to get rid of YOU aswell. Still hilarious though, good one.

Ah, but there-in lies the conundrum. You're just chilling in your tower getting a lap dance from the mistress, minding your own business, when suddenly a legion of the kingdom's armies arrive at your doorstep to invade and boot you out. At this point, you're no longer playing the villain, they are the villains now, and you're the anti-hero. Thus, the only way you can be "playing the villain" is if you attack them first... but that's where the problem lies. Just why are you attacking them? On a gameplay front, the game works just fine. But on a story front, the game has nothing to offer to the player who wanted to be the villain.

There is the possibility you have been doing various slight evil things are the empire decides you are a public menace. Therefore they attack you first but you are still the evil one.

The problem is that we haven't told us this. All you said that is "maybe they're going to attack you" as the reason for why you're attacking this kingdom. Well, unless you've done other evil things, then they have no reason to attack you unless they are actually the villains. And if you did do evil things to provoke them, then we've come full circle back to the original question: Why did you do it? It also brings the question of "Why hasn't the story told us of these past deeds so we understand the motive of a preemptive strike against the kingdom?"

So basically, your proposed motive brings more questions than answers to the problem of "Why are you evil in Overlord besides for the sake of being evil?"

WhiteTigerShiro:

So basically, your proposed motive brings more questions than answers to the problem of "Why are you evil in Overlord besides for the sake of being evil?"

I'm not saying you are wrong about Overlord failing to provide sufficient motivation for the player to be evil, but rather I am saying that the lack of motivation for evil is not a fundamental one. An easy solution for Overlord would have one line from that old goblin that your recent raids etc on nearby villages etc have forced the empire to declare you as a public menace.

"What other flavors does that smoothie come in?"

I actually found myself motivated by the beggining of the game. You have a history with your first mistress, who is in my opinion the most interesting, and you want to take over Nordberg for revenge. But that's about it.

 

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