Silent Hill 2

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I like the work within your limitations commandment.

I know the intention of this one but it gets me thinking that developers would be cautious of showing they can do more with less time and again for the simple reason that the pen-pushing accountant types that seem to silently rule the world,will insist that they do more with less every time in order to cut costs,save money for the big-bosses etc.

Money rules just about every decision made under the sun.If a developer gets the nod for a big budget its just a shame that these games more than often turn out somewhat muddled and mediocre.Like the creative spark gets dilluted by an army sized development team.

Oh, you're on, Yahtzee. I'm be working on my game with ten rooms and three characters, set in 1930's Morocco.

Desert Tiger:

Gunner_Guardian:
Yahtzee is there something your not telling us about Silent Hill 2 that reminds you of your personal life? Something that gave the game the extra mile with you?

Yes. Yahtzee killed his wife and got an invitation to a creepy town in the middle of nowhere - the only difference being that he drove home and picked up a couple of hookers in his version, and so he finds himself mildly interested to find out what would have happened to him if he'd stayed.

But yeah. SH2 was an amazing game with a terrific atmosphere. Bioshock had an atmosphere... but I wouldn't necessarily call it terrific. It was kinda hollow, forced, steam punk/horror that left me with a funny taste in my mouth. It also felt like I was playing part of the Fallout universe, due to the similarities in dark humour and stuff.

SH2 never forced me to like the characters either, which in combination with its multipled endings, gave birth to the "whoever you don't give a shit about dies" multiple endings.

You forgot the part where Yahtzee discovered that we are all manipulated by the canine puppetmaster. I still thank him for this revelation to this day.

RaiZ-R:
Ok, maybe I'm missing the point here. I mean, it's not like Yahtzee can't write. In fact, quite the opposite, his way with words leaves me in awe of him at times... But wasn't the whole point behind Zero Punctuation that the review was entirely contained within a video, for my ease and convenience. I love to read, but why the hell should I watch a ZP video, knowing that Yahtzee has had to hold back so he can also write another review, an extension if you will, just because (and here I'll admit I'm assuming... And we all know what that can do at times) The Escapist told him to. It just seems a little pointless to me.

Well it seems like it ought to be, at most, harmless to you. You're free not to read it. It's a column by Yahtzee, and so far it's on the same subject as the review of the week; it's not a homework assignment. Skip it if you don't like it. I also don't see any reason to believe that he's holding back pearls of wisdom for the column to the detriment of the video. Those are two completely different formats, I don't think there's going to be much crossover between them. (And even if there were, it's not like there's a shortage of words. I'm pretty sure Mr. Yahtzee can come up with enough to fill both a video and a text column, without having to scrimp.)

I'm guessing that Yathzee must like "1408" movie, because it's basicly silent hill movie. Except the city is now a room, and monsters turned into bloodlusty wallpapers and hallucinations.

From what I remember from Psychonauts review the number of characters doesn't really matter as long as they're well characterised and likeable.
Linearity killed Siren Blood Curse, but wasn't bad for Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood because of good story. :) I learn between ass jokes.

That 3 character 10 rooms idea seems interesting, i bet it would work much better than any overly done games nowadays.

Yes, I will add to the chorus regarding mocap/dialogue/simultaneous performance of

Mocap is very expensive when outsourced (Up to 30 quid per second in UK sterling). Considering the amount of dialogue used in games like Oblivion and Fallout it just wouldn't be possible to create bespoke mocap for EVERY single line of dialogue. Plus you'd either need an army of actors or one, extremely exhausted actor with a very dry mouth and achy limbs.

There is no formula for success.

I think this is a point worth remembering, and one that I've come to see the truth in. There is no specific set of instructions that tell how to make a "good game", and the gaming medium in itself is varied enough that any pretense of such formula would only subtract from it.

I think any "commandments" should be taken with a grain of salt, or an ocean's worth of salt for that matter. Doing something in a particular way won't ensure a game will be successful in what it does. However, the general vibe I get from these "commandments", such as they are, is not "do things this one way" (with the possible exception of the voice/mocap), but simply "do things right". What's right is pretty much open to interpretation, and while no one can say with absolute certainty what "right" is, taking example and inspiration from past examples that have done it "right" may lead to one doing the same. It's important for me to note that "example" and "inspiration" don't mean "copying" (if Pyramid Head was done right, that should mean he needs to be thrown into every game and film out there).

On the question of mocap/voices: there are a lot of references here to Oblivion and Fallout 3. I feel the examples here are completely irrelevant here, as Oblivion and Fallout 3 have no cutscenes, if one interprets cutscenes as scripted events that take over the player's control and perspective. Comparing commonplace dialogue, especially in games that are littered with it like these two examples, to cutscenes like mentioned in Silent Hill feels to me like trying to compare between apples and a slice of pizza. I can see more merit in this idea had it referred to scripted events, especially the traditional cutscene which in many cases wants to offer a more visual compelling perspective of an event (and in many cases fail for this and various other reasons)

Overall, I think there are many factors that play into the games' atmosphere and level of immersion offered. I feel Silent Hill has definitely done things "right", and that developers could learn a few things from Silent Hill in that regard: so long as it doesn't mean we get the pleasure of seeing a Hexadecagon Head in the next survival horror game to grace our presence.

(Also, Huzzah! First post on the Escapist. Completely meaningless, but whatever. Was it too long?)

I never really had a major problem with the Fallout/Oblivion uncanny valley thing, because the only time I looked at the character's faces was when I was carefully aiming my crosshairs between their eyes.

All the dialouge was skippable, and I read a damn-sight lot faster than I can listen, so I just sped through the bloody dialough without missing a single thing.

There is one question I have to ask O'Yahtzee, since he hates QTE so much.

What does he think about Heavy Rain so far? It's basically a nightmare of QTE after QTE for you, right? But I think it's done pretty well...

Uncharted followed all those rules and he hated the story in that game. :/

I must applaud that. Yahtzee, you managed to beckpedal without losing any, possibly even gaining more of, that smug attitude, I'm not sure how I would have managed that.

WickedArtist:
-snip-

I basically agree with what you said, and think that his intention was more along the lines of "get it right!" than anything else, despite how specific some of the suggestions were.

And welcome to the Escapist. Long posts are appreciated here xP

Disaster Button:
I feel like I must play Silent Hill 2 now

Ditto.
I have been enjoying Extra Punctuation, as its not so much an addendum to the ZP episode it's more or less attached to, as it is a unrequired extra. It is not needed to explain the episode, people can pass it by without missing out on anything left out. I find it a pleasure to read Yahtzee's thoughts, as they present a logic that doesn't necessarily translate into the videos. If you don't get Extra Punctuation, you dont have to. You can enjoy ZP without missing out on anything.
Afterthought: And yes, Bert is holding eye contact with you. He knows where you hid the cookies and will not relent until you come clean, Adrian!

I think one of the biggest problems with cut scenes is that they have such graphical quality differences with the rest of the game that it can seriously disrupt a players immersion. I always liked that Half-Life 2 delivered plot points and the like with something more akin to in game and somewhat interactive cut scenes. (on a side note Gordon never speaking though really does drive me crazy at some points)

DaveMc:
Well it seems like it ought to be, at most, harmless to you. You're free not to read it. It's a column by Yahtzee, and so far it's on the same subject as the review of the week; it's not a homework assignment. Skip it if you don't like it. I also don't see any reason to believe that he's holding back pearls of wisdom for the column to the detriment of the video. Those are two completely different formats, I don't think there's going to be much crossover between them. (And even if there were, it's not like there's a shortage of words. I'm pretty sure Mr. Yahtzee can come up with enough to fill both a video and a text column, without having to scrimp.)

Again, that really wasn't my point. I understand that I don't have to read it if I don't want to, and that's fine. I read part of the first one and then all of this one, and I will likely only read Extra Punctuation when it's something that really interests me, or follows a video I particularly enjoy. My point is, or more specifically, my question is, why? Why does Extra Puntuation exist? ZP became popular because of the format it was, lightening speed speech over colourful videos with plenty of valid points and dick jokes. It's what made all of us posting here a fan of Yahtzee, and the reason he stood out from the crowd. I'm personally not a heavy gamer, casual would be too generous a word for the type of gamer I am, but I find Yahtzee's way with words to be fantastic and his reviews both informative and hilarious. I've watched all of the videos he has on The Escapist at least twice, and I searched out his pre-Escapist work as well when I first discovered him. While it's obvious that he puts work into reviewing games, the videos make it all feel spur of the moment and off the cuff, and that adds to the scathing insults, sardonic wit, and hilarious arse jokes power. The idea that he then sits down and writes down more of his thoughts a bit later feels like he's second guessing himself.

I guess I'm being a picky, anti-authoritarian ass, but I just don't understand why a) Extra Punctuation is needed, or b) What purpose it serves. Sure, he's not repeating himself, but he never disagrees with himself either, and he writes in the same way that he talks, so why take the microphone away and replace it with a pen. It's just extra work for Yahtzee that simply isn't needed. So, again, what's the point?

samsonguy920:
I have been enjoying Extra Punctuation, as its not so much an addendum to the ZP episode it's more or less attached to, as it is a unrequired extra. It is not needed to explain the episode, people can pass it by without missing out on anything left out. I find it a pleasure to read Yahtzee's thoughts, as they present a logic that doesn't necessarily translate into the videos. If you don't get Extra Punctuation, you dont have to. You can enjoy ZP without missing out on anything.

Don't get me wrong. I love reading/listening to Yahtzee. He's hilarious and has a similar approach to journalism as I myself do. He's honest and unmerciful and always makes it fun for the audience, and as I've said, I'll likely only read Extra Puntuation when it suits me, I just don't see why it's needed. Anything said in EP can realistically be said in ZP, and EP isn't likely to garner Yahtzee any new fans (let's face it, the majority these days don't like reading... I love reading by the way, before anyone feels the need to flame me) so... Why?

I hate to keep repeating myself, but it's existence benefits nobody in the long run, so again, what's the point?

I agree with pretty much everything said apart from the fallout/oblivion critisism yes it is a little weird and unnerving but it adds to the charm the games are both a little bit off and out there it adds to there charm neither game needs to aim for realism they are at there best when freaky things are happening

Raithnor:
Reording Mocap and dialouge at the same time.

This isn't going to be possible with a lot of games. Just due to the way trying to schedule voice actors to come in and record lines. Any game that requires a localization, such as when they bring a JRPG to North America, requires dialouge replacement without changing the visuals.

Or we could out with the whole dubbing (i.e: content rape) and just add subtitles. Allows you to both lip synch from origin AND not murder the game for foreign audiences... Amazing!

But yeah, even if you don't "lip synch" it, at least include some body movement. Mo-cap the actor's actual movement and such, but for the love of all that is holy don't just leave your chars there, standing stiff like a robot...

RaiZ-R:

samsonguy920:
I have been enjoying Extra Punctuation, as its not so much an addendum to the ZP episode it's more or less attached to, as it is a unrequired extra. It is not needed to explain the episode, people can pass it by without missing out on anything left out. I find it a pleasure to read Yahtzee's thoughts, as they present a logic that doesn't necessarily translate into the videos. If you don't get Extra Punctuation, you dont have to. You can enjoy ZP without missing out on anything.

Don't get me wrong. I love reading/listening to Yahtzee. He's hilarious and has a similar approach to journalism as I myself do. He's honest and unmerciful and always makes it fun for the audience, and as I've said, I'll likely only read Extra Puntuation when it suits me, I just don't see why it's needed. Anything said in EP can realistically be said in ZP, and EP isn't likely to garner Yahtzee any new fans (let's face it, the majority these days don't like reading... I love reading by the way, before anyone feels the need to flame me) so... Why?

I hate to keep repeating myself, but it's existence benefits nobody in the long run, so again, what's the point?

You are assuming everyone else thinks like you. You don't represent everyone else, you are just putting forth your own opinion. If you don't like Extra Punctuation, then dont read it. Nobody is forcing you to. I, like many others, do enjoy reading, and will continue reading EP and many other articles in the Escapist.

Yahtzee Croshaw:
Extra Punctuation: Silent Hill 2

Yahtzee delivers unto us the four Commandments of cutscenes.

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I'm still playing RE4 on the game years on, i love it! just wish the rest of the games were as good *sigh*

Hey I was just wondering was the screenshot on the second page actually already a future reference to the 4th game??

I've seen things likewise in other silent hill games

(like the quiz)

RaiZ-R:
Ok, maybe I'm missing the point here. I mean, it's not like Yahtzee can't write. In fact, quite the opposite, his way with words leaves me in awe of him at times... But wasn't the whole point behind Zero Punctuation that the review was entirely contained within a video, for my ease and convenience. I love to read, but why the hell should I watch a ZP video, knowing that Yahtzee has had to hold back so he can also write another review, an extension if you will, just because (and here I'll admit I'm assuming... And we all know what that can do at times) The Escapist told him to. It just seems a little pointless to me.

The way I see it is that Zero Punctuation is used to make his point. You can watch an episode of Zero Punctuation and it will make sense without having to read anything else. Extra Punctuation, however is used to expand on the points made in the corresponding Zero Punctuation. It allows Yahtzee to explain his position, without having absolutely everyone try to second guess him. As far as I can tell, nothing major has changed in the Zero Punctuation videos since Extra Punctuation has started. They are still self contained and complete videos, so what is the big hassle?

I'd always wondered if he was going to do a review of Silent Hill 2 (also one of my favorites) and I agree with everything he says :P

RaiZ-R:

Again, that really wasn't my point. I understand that I don't have to read it if I don't want to, and that's fine. I read part of the first one and then all of this one, and I will likely only read Extra Punctuation when it's something that really interests me, or follows a video I particularly enjoy. My point is, or more specifically, my question is, why? Why does Extra Puntuation exist? ZP became popular because of the format it was, lightening speed speech over colourful videos with plenty of valid points and dick jokes. It's what made all of us posting here a fan of Yahtzee, and the reason he stood out from the crowd. I'm personally not a heavy gamer, casual would be too generous a word for the type of gamer I am, but I find Yahtzee's way with words to be fantastic and his reviews both informative and hilarious. I've watched all of the videos he has on The Escapist at least twice, and I searched out his pre-Escapist work as well when I first discovered him. While it's obvious that he puts work into reviewing games, the videos make it all feel spur of the moment and off the cuff, and that adds to the scathing insults, sardonic wit, and hilarious arse jokes power. The idea that he then sits down and writes down more of his thoughts a bit later feels like he's second guessing himself.

Don't get me wrong. I love reading/listening to Yahtzee. He's hilarious and has a similar approach to journalism as I myself do. He's honest and unmerciful and always makes it fun for the audience, and as I've said, I'll likely only read Extra Puntuation when it suits me, I just don't see why it's needed. Anything said in EP can realistically be said in ZP, and EP isn't likely to garner Yahtzee any new fans (let's face it, the majority these days don't like reading... I love reading by the way, before anyone feels the need to flame me) so... Why?

I hate to keep repeating myself, but it's existence benefits nobody in the long run, so again, what's the point?

The point is that the majority of people at the escapist like Yahtzee, he who increased site traffic here by a billion percent (hyperbole). The escapist has decided that more yahtzee = more happy readers, and, for the most part, they are right. I do also like the extra punctuation, I'm sure you'll be sorry to hear, even if you're right in that it may be unnecessary (depending on one's definition of "necessary"). Yahtzee, I'm sure, doesn't mind the salary he gets. And I like extra punctuation because it goes into more depth - a lot of what he says in it might be better hen it ISN'T accompanied by a cartoon.

Also...

RaiZ-R:

He's hilarious and has a similar approach to journalism as I myself do.

...

huh.

samsonguy920:

RaiZ-R:

samsonguy920:
I have been enjoying Extra Punctuation, as its not so much an addendum to the ZP episode it's more or less attached to, as it is a unrequired extra. It is not needed to explain the episode, people can pass it by without missing out on anything left out. I find it a pleasure to read Yahtzee's thoughts, as they present a logic that doesn't necessarily translate into the videos. If you don't get Extra Punctuation, you dont have to. You can enjoy ZP without missing out on anything.

Don't get me wrong. I love reading/listening to Yahtzee. He's hilarious and has a similar approach to journalism as I myself do. He's honest and unmerciful and always makes it fun for the audience, and as I've said, I'll likely only read Extra Puntuation when it suits me, I just don't see why it's needed. Anything said in EP can realistically be said in ZP, and EP isn't likely to garner Yahtzee any new fans (let's face it, the majority these days don't like reading... I love reading by the way, before anyone feels the need to flame me) so... Why?

I hate to keep repeating myself, but it's existence benefits nobody in the long run, so again, what's the point?

You are assuming everyone else thinks like you. You don't represent everyone else, you are just putting forth your own opinion. If you don't like Extra Punctuation, then dont read it. Nobody is forcing you to. I, like many others, do enjoy reading, and will continue reading EP and many other articles in the Escapist.

He's not saying that. Yes, that's his opinion, he never said we didn't either. Saying "if you don't like it, you don't have to read it" has nothing to do with the point he was making. It's a shallow and poorly perceived defensive maneuver in response to the feeling that something you liked was attacked.

A better thing may have been to argue why one DOES get something out of extra punctuation, instead of attacking his wording.

For instance, he said that everything in EP can be said in ZP, when in fact, it kind of couldn't if the episode is to be capped beneath five or six minutes, a good length for a funny delivery that doesn't drag on too long about any particular thing (a niche that EP fills perfectly).

yahtzee dont you find that hat a bit excessive in the heat and i suppose the ps1 gfx trumps the n64s and its better than gameboys

144:

samsonguy920:

RaiZ-R:

samsonguy920:
I have been enjoying Extra Punctuation, as its not so much an addendum to the ZP episode it's more or less attached to, as it is a unrequired extra. It is not needed to explain the episode, people can pass it by without missing out on anything left out. I find it a pleasure to read Yahtzee's thoughts, as they present a logic that doesn't necessarily translate into the videos. If you don't get Extra Punctuation, you dont have to. You can enjoy ZP without missing out on anything.

Don't get me wrong. I love reading/listening to Yahtzee. He's hilarious and has a similar approach to journalism as I myself do. He's honest and unmerciful and always makes it fun for the audience, and as I've said, I'll likely only read Extra Puntuation when it suits me, I just don't see why it's needed. Anything said in EP can realistically be said in ZP, and EP isn't likely to garner Yahtzee any new fans (let's face it, the majority these days don't like reading... I love reading by the way, before anyone feels the need to flame me) so... Why?

I hate to keep repeating myself, but it's existence benefits nobody in the long run, so again, what's the point?

You are assuming everyone else thinks like you. You don't represent everyone else, you are just putting forth your own opinion. If you don't like Extra Punctuation, then dont read it. Nobody is forcing you to. I, like many others, do enjoy reading, and will continue reading EP and many other articles in the Escapist.

He's not saying that. Yes, that's his opinion, he never said we didn't either. Saying "if you don't like it, you don't have to read it" has nothing to do with the point he was making. It's a shallow and poorly perceived defensive maneuver in response to the feeling that something you liked was attacked.

A better thing may have been to argue why one DOES get something out of extra punctuation, instead of attacking his wording.

For instance, he said that everything in EP can be said in ZP, when in fact, it kind of couldn't if the episode is to be capped beneath five or six minutes, a good length for a funny delivery that doesn't drag on too long about any particular thing (a niche that EP fills perfectly).

I am assuming the main drive behind Extra Punctuation is soley to expand on points made in ZP.Pretty simple really.
Not alot of reason to pontificate over it.
I'm finding EP just as entertaining as ZP.

Ditto on all the SH2 design points. Love that game.

Side note on the Conduit comments, and in fact, related to other games: you know those annoying "in game" tutorials that are designed to demonstrate the controls? Like, to show off that you can press "C" to make everyone run to a corner that you stare at? .... Why isn't there ever a "calibration demo". You know, like "look over here, then look over there!" to make sure your mouse-speed or your Wiimote or your analog joysticks or whatever are calibrated to compensate for how some players turn like a limping cow? I'm looking at you, Left 4 Dead.

Tailscoolio:
That 3 character 10 rooms idea seems interesting, i bet it would work much better than any overly done games nowadays.

I think that Yahtzee is referring to the film Casablanca here, which is one of the greatest movies ever made :D

Man, you bitch about stuff u like a lot. Lol

SH2 is such an awesome game. It's in my top 3. I think if they'd made the movie based on SH2, and not SH1, and had Sean Bean play James Sunderland that movie would've sucked a lot less. Good article Yahtzee!

I agree...Games nowadays Need to take a page off their predecessors
Example: Blazing Angels 1: Straightforward plot, incredibly simple controls (explained in the tutorial), very fun, arcad-ey feel
Result: Very hard to find, very much appreciated
Blazing Angels 2: Stupidly mixed-up plot (as well as many technological impossibilities/retardation in the setting), convoluted controls (one of the missions requires you to land your plane WITHOUT telling you how to do it first), most missions feel like a chore
Result: 20$ bin, complete letdown compared to its predecessor, everyone I know hates it (me included)

I'm not trolling, just commenting on the subject. If disagreeing with you = trolling, then I'm afraid you have a long road ahead in this life.

Per your request, blow by blow:

Ok, maybe I'm missing the point here.

-Agreed as I previously mentioned. See below for details.

I mean, it's not like Yahtzee can't write. In fact, quite the opposite, his way with words leaves me in awe of him at times...

-He's generally pretty good, I agree.

But wasn't the whole point behind Zero Punctuation that the review was entirely contained within a video, for my ease and convenience.

-Since when was this all created for your convenience? Why does it have to be any of things you mention above? I can't pretend to know exactly what the point is, but my guess is that he's paid to express his opinion on a variety of subjects regarding games. Usually it's interesting, and drives page views, which is why they pay him for it. I'm pretty sure that your convenience is not a motivating factor.

I love to read, but why the hell should I watch a ZP video, knowing that Yahtzee has had to hold back so he can also write another review, an extension if you will, just because (and here I'll admit I'm assuming... And we all know what that can do at times) The Escapist told him to. It just seems a little pointless to me.

-I'm glad you like to read. It's a wonderful pastime that's going out of style. You should watch a ZP video because it's interesting and entertaining to you. If not, why bother?

People need to remember that the Final Fantasy series wasn't ALWAYS about looking 'pretty'.

From the beginning to IX - looking pretty wasn't all that possible on the PS1 - but they tried their best with what they had. You start to notice story and gameplay diminishes after the PS2's arrival to the scene.

Whilst I look forward to FFXIII, I'm still very apprehensive about whether or not the story will be good enough to keep me interested, and that the gameplay will be challenging enough, but will help the story flow well too. It has a lot of expectations to live up to for me.

Just wanted to chime that in - FF in the early days, for me, was never really about looking pretty. Enix just came in and bollocks'd it all up :P

As for Silent Hill 2 - great game, and I agree with ALL of Yahtzee's commandments. Great article, Yahtzee, definitely looking forward to reading the next.

samsonguy920:
You are assuming everyone else thinks like you. You don't represent everyone else, you are just putting forth your own opinion. If you don't like Extra Punctuation, then dont read it. Nobody is forcing you to. I, like many others, do enjoy reading, and will continue reading EP and many other articles in the Escapist.

Again, you've missed my point, however 144 already cleared that up in his post quoting you, so please refer to that. Maybe it's just the way I'm wording myself, and if so I'm sorry for that. I spend most of my forum posting time on music and wrestling related sites, but it's seems the way I post on those sites does not come across well on games related sites. I'm not sure why.

The Eupho Guy:
The way I see it is that Zero Punctuation is used to make his point. You can watch an episode of Zero Punctuation and it will make sense without having to read anything else. Extra Punctuation, however is used to expand on the points made in the corresponding Zero Punctuation. It allows Yahtzee to explain his position, without having absolutely everyone try to second guess him. As far as I can tell, nothing major has changed in the Zero Punctuation videos since Extra Punctuation has started. They are still self contained and complete videos, so what is the big hassle?

Thank you. You are the first person to actually answer my question with any kind of sensible answer, rather than the knee-jerk "don't read it if you don't like it" rubbish. Thank you very much. You have answered me and answered me well, I shall now shut up about this subject.

144:
The point is that the majority of people at the escapist like Yahtzee, he who increased site traffic here by a billion percent (hyperbole). The escapist has decided that more yahtzee = more happy readers, and, for the most part, they are right. I do also like the extra punctuation, I'm sure you'll be sorry to hear, even if you're right in that it may be unnecessary (depending on one's definition of "necessary"). Yahtzee, I'm sure, doesn't mind the salary he gets. And I like extra punctuation because it goes into more depth - a lot of what he says in it might be better hen it ISN'T accompanied by a cartoon.

Also...

RaiZ-R:

He's hilarious and has a similar approach to journalism as I myself do.

...

huh.

I understood that Yahtzee was a big reason that The Escapist is getting the traffic it does. Hell, he's the reason I'm here. :D

I'm just not one to subscribe to more of something, making it any better. So Extra Punctuation kind of feels like The Escapist trying to cash in on Yahtzee's success without really understanding the reason he became popular in the first place. When I decided to actually sign up (I've been visiting the site for well over a year simply to watch Yahtzee's videos) I caught a glimpse of a video review by someone else for a Turtles game and while it wasn't the same cartoony styling the way the review was presented by the narrator was as if he'd just gone all out to be Yahtzee and it failed miserabley. It wasn't funny and I simply couldn't respect a guy for ripping off someone else's schtick, but it made me think that maybe The Escapist were making all the writers do videos and making Yahtzee do a column, just to standardise the site... Which immediately took away Yahtzee's uniqueness. Not that it mattered though, as whether it's a video or a column, he's still a better critic than the rest of them (in my opinion)

And my journalism reference was simply my noting that I have experiance in the area myself as a music critic, and that Yahtzee seems to have the same approach to it as I do, which is one of the reason why I like the way he writes I guess.

144:

samsonguy920:
You are assuming everyone else thinks like you. You don't represent everyone else, you are just putting forth your own opinion. If you don't like Extra Punctuation, then dont read it. Nobody is forcing you to. I, like many others, do enjoy reading, and will continue reading EP and many other articles in the Escapist.

He's not saying that. Yes, that's his opinion, he never said we didn't either. Saying "if you don't like it, you don't have to read it" has nothing to do with the point he was making. It's a shallow and poorly perceived defensive maneuver in response to the feeling that something you liked was attacked.

A better thing may have been to argue why one DOES get something out of extra punctuation, instead of attacking his wording.

For instance, he said that everything in EP can be said in ZP, when in fact, it kind of couldn't if the episode is to be capped beneath five or six minutes, a good length for a funny delivery that doesn't drag on too long about any particular thing (a niche that EP fills perfectly).

Thank you. You explained me, better than I explained me. :D

blacklab:
I'm not trolling, just commenting on the subject. If disagreeing with you = trolling, then I'm afraid you have a long road ahead in this life.

Per your request, blow by blow:

Ok, maybe I'm missing the point here.

-Agreed as I previously mentioned. See below for details.

I mean, it's not like Yahtzee can't write. In fact, quite the opposite, his way with words leaves me in awe of him at times...

-He's generally pretty good, I agree.

But wasn't the whole point behind Zero Punctuation that the review was entirely contained within a video, for my ease and convenience.

-Since when was this all created for your convenience? Why does it have to be any of things you mention above? I can't pretend to know exactly what the point is, but my guess is that he's paid to express his opinion on a variety of subjects regarding games. Usually it's interesting, and drives page views, which is why they pay him for it. I'm pretty sure that your convenience is not a motivating factor.

I love to read, but why the hell should I watch a ZP video, knowing that Yahtzee has had to hold back so he can also write another review, an extension if you will, just because (and here I'll admit I'm assuming... And we all know what that can do at times) The Escapist told him to. It just seems a little pointless to me.

-I'm glad you like to read. It's a wonderful pastime that's going out of style. You should watch a ZP video because it's interesting and entertaining to you. If not, why bother?

Disagreeing with me isn't trolling. Of course it isn't. Trolling is disagreeing without explaining why, which is exactly what you did. I asked a simple question, and you gave a sarcastic and pointless response. That's trolling. And it seems to be your M O. Thankfully, Eupho and 144 have more than made up for you being "smart". It's quite obvious that when I was saying "my convinience" I was refering to all the viewers/readers, not just myself. It would take a very special kind of self-involved moron to truely believe everything was made specifically for them.

"Mans gotta know his limitations" Clint Eastwood.

And now Yahtzee too :)

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