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Apple's Forbidden Fruit

The iPhone might just be the perfect platform for adult videogames - if Apple didn't feel the need to throw cold water on the endeavor. Robert Stoneback examines the handheld's unrealized potential for sex games.

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I'm all for adult videogames, and i think it's a shame that they're stifled by publishers and console developers. What I find much more troubling is that Apple thinks it has legal power over the software its customers install. Imagine if Apple sold a Mac that would only run Apple-approved software. Didn't Microsoft face an anti-trust suit over this?

We're already at the point where a manufacturer is producing an entirely new console just so they can release adult games on it. How far are publishers and hardware manufacturers going to take this? they're throwing away a potentially lucrative revenue stream while stifling the freedom of expression gaming so desperately needs.

cobra_ky:
I'm all for adult videogames, and i think it's a shame that they're stifled by publishers and console developers. What I find much more troubling is that Apple thinks it has legal power over the software its customers install. Imagine if Apple sold a Mac that would only run Apple-approved software. Didn't Microsoft face an anti-trust suit over this?

We're already at the point where a manufacturer is producing an entirely new console just so they can release adult games on it. How far are publishers and hardware manufacturers going to take this? they're throwing away a potentially lucrative revenue stream while stifling the freedom of expression gaming so desperately needs.

I think the main problem is that firms are too worried about allowing people to sell adult material on their systems (Nintendo before and Apple now, of course) and then facing bad publicity when people like Jack Thompson or groups like Fox News cotton on. Remember the furore over the Hot Coffee mod and over Mass Effect, even though there was literally no porn in either? Imagine what Fox and the like will do if they find out Apple are letting people buy full sex games and adult material through the iPhone. Apple would lose a hell of a lot of trade, especially among families. The way I see it, Apple are simply cutting their losses and avoiding the entire scandal rather than facing the possibility of a negative backlash from the general public.

That said, there's also the chance that parents will end up allowing their kids to buy this sort of stuff or buying it for them then blaming Apple when they find their kids watching porn and playing adult games on their phones. It's happened plenty of times before with other things, for instance, parents buying M rated games (18 rated here in the UK) for their kids because the kids have been bugging them, then blaming the developers and retailers when they've seen the game themselves. Who's to say this won't happen with the iPhone and adult material? Apple are simply trying to avoid any problems completely rather than facing them if and when they occur. However, I do agree totally with your point of view. We really are seeing Apple losing out on a massive money-spinner, all for the sake of protecting their reputation.

hey
there is softserve poop machine, why not iRub nipples, the nipple rubbing simulator?

8-Bit_Jack:
hey
there is softserve poop machine, why not iRub nipples, the nipple rubbing simulator?

IrubNips seems more approprite.

I lol'd because my freind has iGirl for his Touch

I find it infinitely amusing that people are cracking their iPhones to buy apps from a black market.

cobra_ky:
I'm all for adult videogames, and i think it's a shame that they're stifled by publishers and console developers. What I find much more troubling is that Apple thinks it has legal power over the software its customers install. Imagine if Apple sold a Mac that would only run Apple-approved software. Didn't Microsoft face an anti-trust suit over this?

We're already at the point where a manufacturer is producing an entirely new console just so they can release adult games on it. How far are publishers and hardware manufacturers going to take this? they're throwing away a potentially lucrative revenue stream while stifling the freedom of expression gaming so desperately needs.

It's not entirely the publisher's fault that the adult game market is so stifled, there's also the perceptions of the public to consider. People still talk shit and stigmatize those that play adult games, retailers are only following the close-minded ethos that 'we' give them. If enough of us told them to stock adult games, they would, but we're not the majority.

I don't really understand the adult game market. The only reason anyone would play an adult game is for the porn, so why not cut the middleman and just make it a picture gallery or video?

Why a game?

They've got porn on the Iphone already. There's also apps that show a new hot girl in her underwear everyweek.
It'd be fun to have a dating sim where you take someone to you apartment and do the dirty.

Main problem is apple have to think of what FOX news are gonna say.
remember mass effects "graphic sex scenes" as FOX reported it?

I remember that. I also remember how Bioware shut down and lost all those millions of dollars. Sad times. I knew some of the layoffs who said "If only it wasn't for those meddling parents who didn't want their kids watching girl on blue girl action.
/sarcasm

If an innovative sex game ever became a breakout hit, it could lead to a sea change in the industry's perception of the genre.

More likely it would give rise to yet another outcry of self-righteous indignation the likes of which would've made the Puritans smile. Soccer moms picketing outside Apple headquarters chanting "Get this smut off our iPhones", so that they don't have to go to the trouble of keeping an eye on what little Johnny is doing with his doohickey (the iPhone, you sicko). And don't forget the holier-than-thou moral pundits who cannot stand the thought of anyone having any sort of fun they don't approve of participating in fornication anywhere in the world.

I have to wonder, since I saw it... Who would use their iphone as a vibrator?

I guess I dont understand where you would use the sex games on your iPhone?

At home you have a computer? On the bus.... there are people?

This must've been a fun article to research.

There are two reasons at the root of the "No Porn Games" phenomenon in America.

1. Christianity.
For some reason, the church seems to have drawn the (mistaken) conclusion that God never intended us to reproduce (referring to the Garden of Eden fiasco). Therefore, sex, of any kind, is an affront against God, and two people are only allowed to have sex if they have been joined together (at least symbolically) "in one body" by a priest or other religious leader performing the sacred rite of marriage (in which case damnable sex is reduced to somewhat less damnable masturbation... I guess). And even then, if you're a Catholic, you have to let the priest wash your love juices off your newborn's body before they qualify for salvation; guess the angels are all such prissy fucks that they won't even touch you if you had pussy juice on you at one point, let alone "carry you home."

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty off good reasons why premarital sex is a bad idea, most of them having to do with unwanted children and the spread of STDs. I can imagine that in the days when the bible was written, before nice things like healthcare and child support and before we knew what viruses and condoms were, the wise people were acutely aware of these problems and saw a religious text as a good opportunity to beat some wisdom into people's thick, pre-science heads.

But back to games, since God is omnipotent, and can see your thoughts, and because all his angels tend to faint like old women when they see your fantasies about beating off on a pair of double-d breasts on the DeityVision (TM), and because somehow the people who run Christianity are 100% absolutely, positively, cross-my-heart-and-hope-to-die CERTAIN of all this, the church leaders of the world have taken it upon themselves to keep you from thinking about sex EVER for your entire life; ideally, even during the one (two or three at the max, depending on desired family size) time(s) you're actually having sex (with your wife/husband and for purposes of procreation only, of course).

2.
Um... crap. It took me so long to write that last wall of text that I actually forgot what the second one was supposed to be. So let's just say it's slippery-slope media sensationalism. To give due credit to previous arguments, let's call this the "Mass Erect Phenomenon".

You know what I'm talking about. It was mentioned in the article, for Chri... (whoops, almost forgot about the DeityVision (TM)) goodness' sake. I think Yahtzee described their feelings best when he said they thought Mass Effect was a "child-corrupting boob extravaganza".

Basically, some (mostly Christian, I'd imagine) parents are worried that their (male) children are all going to turn into slavering rapists if a game shows them so much as a pubic hair. Obviously (in the vast majority of cases, anyway) this isn't true. Even the worst examples of sex in games, Japanese rape sims, are far worse than the porn games most people would want to play. Via the Mass Erect Phenomenon, Japan must therefore be the rape capital of the world, right? NO! Japan's per-capita rape rate was 1.85 in 2002, vs. 32.99 for the United States (according to a UN survey). Good job keeping people out of HELL, Christianity!

Anyway, since Christianity will always be the dominant religious group in the U.S., and because Fox News will always be staffed by panicky nut job Mass Erectors, we can expect adult games to never exist outside of sketchy websites and Japan (and maybe not even there, if current trends continue).

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go play RapeLay for an hour... to make the angels have to change their trousers.

I for one, am AGAINST the adult games..
First off.. Where would you play these games? MOST likely in a place you have access to a computer, (AKA: being alone) so why use the iPhone as a platform that supports adult gaming?

I'unno, maybe I just don't care for the genre, but I'm still open for a debate.

And, in the words of Dane Cook: PHONES ARE FOR PHONE CALLS, SO KEEP YOUR CLOTHES ON.

Anyone else think that the iPhone should have a larger screen length wise, after seeing the picture of it in the article. Seems cruel that Apple didn't extend its market into plus size version(s).

The Rogue Wolf:

If an innovative sex game ever became a breakout hit, it could lead to a sea change in the industry's perception of the genre.

More likely it would give rise to yet another outcry of self-righteous indignation the likes of which would've made the Puritans smile. Soccer moms picketing outside Apple headquarters chanting "Get this smut off our iPhones", so that they don't have to go to the trouble of keeping an eye on what little Johnny is doing with his doohickey (the iPhone, you sicko). And don't forget the holier-than-thou moral pundits who cannot stand the thought of anyone having any sort of fun they don't approve of participating in fornication anywhere in the world.

I am unfortunately inclined to agree with this statement, as sad as this might be.

What's with this secret, hush-hush business when it comes to sex and only for sex? Christianity might be an explanation, but I'm finding it to be a stretch to say that it's the sole reason behind it all.

We're talking about a society that is okay with its preteen girls dressing like prostitutes, but freaks out at public non-sexualized nudity. Until that's overcome, it's always going to be an uphill struggle to discuss sex in a mature, adult manner.

The Safari argument is a bit of sidestep--I'm pretty sure we're at the point that most people realize the web is unregulated and anyone can set up shop there. You don't hear people blame Microsoft if their kid finds a porn site using IE, and if someone did, they'd be ridiculed without mercy. But by requiring all apps to be approved by the App Store, Apple gives tacit endorsement to what's available. They should treat the iPhone and iTouch like a VCR: if your kid watches a dirty movie on your Sony VCR, do you blame Sony? Of course not.

Apple should wash their hands of any responsibility for third-party content available for their devices, then they could a) get out of the wasteful business of bureaucratic regulation, b) save PR and legal costs by having to defend everything available on their devices, and c) stop alienating grown-up customers who don't like big corporations micromanaging their entertainment. But I'm sure they find the revenue stream from licensing third-party apps hard to give up.

Midnight0000:
I have to wonder, since I saw it... Who would use their iphone as a vibrator?

Indeed, the word bucket comes to mind.

OT: I don't see why apple can't allow this sort of thing, most other media platforms have them.

Apple probably doesn't want bad publicity, which is understandable

I just watched a video review of iGirl and I was definitely disappointed. I was expecting something that's on the fence as to porn or not-porn, but it was definitely on the side of not-porn. The 3D graphics of it are primitive and blocky; considering that curves are a part of the attractiveness of women, that's definitely a serious setback for the girl's sexual appeal. The options that were shown for what the girl can wear and what she can do are very limited, making it seem like the "re-playability" of the program can be counted based on how much time you have divided by how many options there are multiplied by how many friends you haven't shown it to. And that's what I really see the appeal of the game: show it off to your friends. Even though it will not satisfy any man's lust for women, it will allow the man to show off his "girl" to his friends and get a quick "Woooo, nice!" from them.

All in all, it's a gimmick for the iPhone that will give you another reason to show off the phone to your friends. Sex appeal? No. High-fives-from-friends appeal? Yes.

It raises an interesting point though, Nintendo is happy to give a seal of approval to incredibly violent games. What if developers used similar ratings here?

Midnight0000:
I have to wonder, since I saw it... Who would use their iphone as a vibrator?

Me.

BTW does anyone know where I can get a copy of this RapeLay? :D

one thing about an adult game on a cell phone is that it would probably be easy to play one handed (insert rimshot here).

RebellionXXI:

Anyway, since Christianity will always be the dominant religious group in the U.S., and because Fox News will always be staffed by panicky nut job Mass Erectors, we can expect adult games to never exist outside of sketchy websites and Japan (and maybe not even there, if current trends continue).

As for censorship, don't worry about it. Time has proven again and again that porn flows throughout higher civilizations. No need to worry about losing yours just cause a bunch of people in suburbia yell at their non-existent senators not to pass that one UN treaty (United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child)that loosens free speech to be available to all, including porn.

/END FOX HYPE

just replace all of the gay game develepors with lesbians and straight men

Wow Jack Thompson's going to have some fun with this.

Also theres a web browser just sayin.

KhakiHat:

RebellionXXI:

Anyway, since Christianity will always be the dominant religious group in the U.S., and because Fox News will always be staffed by panicky nut job Mass Erectors, we can expect adult games to never exist outside of sketchy websites and Japan (and maybe not even there, if current trends continue).

As for censorship, don't worry about it. Time has proven again and again that porn flows throughout higher civilizations. No need to worry about losing yours just cause a bunch of people in suburbia yell at their non-existent senators not to pass that one UN treaty (United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child)that loosens free speech to be available to all, including porn.

/END FOX HYPE

I'm far more concerned that a government official can examine your mail, and if they see anything they don't like you can be charged under our horribly vague and overbroad obscenity laws.

Honestly, I don't see why people should bother getting so upset. There are options for putting porn on your phone. You can either jailbreak your iPhone or buy an Android phone. However, keep in mind that pornographic applications are an easy vector for various malware because people so readily install such apps without thinking. So, proceed at your own risk.

(Is there a legitimate developer of porn application that doesn't hide some kind of spyware or other malware to either steal your personal information or turn your computer/device into a botnet zombie?)

As I just wrote that, I think I understand why some people may be upset. They may be thinking "wouldn't it be nice, for once, to have a source of porn apps and not have to be so worried about spyware and malware in it".

For those that think churches are against sex to the point of ending the human race(if your Mother and Father didn't do it, chance are you won't either), let me provide a different possibility on the issue. What they are against is not sex itself. Rather, what they are against is sex being cheapened to the point that it is no different from just going out and grabbing a six-pack of beer from the grocery store on the weekend. This is because the church generally sees sex and sexuality as something special and intimate that is only to be shared between two people that have been united in mind, body, and spirit(i.e. married).

Also, there are significant consequences surrounding sex. Not only is there the unplanned pregnancy issue, there are a lot of emotional and relational issues surrounding sex(why do you think people get upset when their significant other is found to be cheating on them?), which can cause a lot of trauma and conflict. Some people have had their lives ruined over sex. Even today, we just don't deal well with these issues because of a certain immaturity with regards to sex and sexuality.

It is our lack of maturity, even today, when dealing with sex and sexuality that allows the church to validly maintain a more archaic stance of preaching abstinence with little explanation or insight given(try reasoning with a 2-year-old without eventually ending up saying "cause I said so"; can be rather difficult to do). Of course, one could argue that a good reason for this immaturity is because of our constant repression of sexuality and unwillingness to really discuss it in a mature forum.

What I'm getting at is that we need to set aside the "let me do whatever I want" attitude and consider that there may be some merit and reasoning to the exhortations of the church, even if they may be taken to extremes, to find the middle ground between abstinence and promiscuity.

EDIT: Apologies for duplicate post. The first attempt seemed, at least from my end, to have floated straight into the aether.

Damien_B:
I for one, am AGAINST the adult games..
First off.. Where would you play these games? MOST likely in a place you have access to a computer, (AKA: being alone) so why use the iPhone as a platform that supports adult gaming?

I'unno, maybe I just don't care for the genre, but I'm still open for a debate.

And, in the words of Dane Cook: PHONES ARE FOR PHONE CALLS, SO KEEP YOUR CLOTHES ON.

while in theory you have a point if its harming nobody then let em have their games. Its a market, theres money to be made, money being made is good for the economy last i checked.

New enterprise should be encouraged not stifled. Even in slightly less palatable industries such as this.

geizr:
For those that think churches are against sex to the point of ending the human race(if your Mother and Father didn't do it, chance are you won't either), let me provide a different possibility on the issue. What they are against is not sex itself. Rather, what they are against is sex being cheapened to the point that it is no different from just going out and grabbing a six-pack of beer from the grocery store on the weekend. This is because the church generally sees sex and sexuality as something special and intimate that is only to be shared between two people that have been united in mind, body, and spirit(i.e. married).

Also, there are significant consequences surrounding sex. Not only is there the unplanned pregnancy issue, there are a lot of emotional and relational issues surrounding sex(why do you think people get upset when their significant other is found to be cheating on them?), which can cause a lot of trauma and conflict. Some people have had their lives ruined over sex. Even today, we just don't deal well with these issues because of a certain immaturity with regards to sex and sexuality.

It is our lack of maturity, even today, when dealing with sex and sexuality that allows the church to validly maintain a more archaic stance of preaching abstinence with little explanation or insight given(try reasoning with a 2-year-old without eventually ending up saying "cause I said so"; can be rather difficult to do). Of course, one could argue that a good reason for this immaturity is because of our constant repression of sexuality and unwillingness to really discuss it in a mature forum.

What I'm getting at is that we need to set aside the "let me do whatever I want" attitude and consider that there may be some merit and reasoning to the exhortations of the church, even if they may be taken to extremes, to find the middle ground between abstinence and promiscuity.

While you raise some valid points i think the issue with immaturity and people being unable to handle sexual relationships properly stems from the hush hush lets keep it a secret culture that is the norm in the west. No such thing exists in most of Scandinavia and they are better for it. Open-ness honesty and demystifying sexuality are in my opinion at least better goals for society to be striving for.

Or in laymans terms, the harder it is for kids to be safe having sex, the less likely it is they will.

Simplistic argument sure, but its really where i stand on the issue.

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