Zero Punctuation: Scribblenauts

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chalkin:
You're saying that you absolutely disagree with the review, but you really haven't stated why that's the case. After watching most of Yahtzee's videos, I can safely say that his resume consists mostly of "tearing games apart by picking out their flaws". In the viewer's case, the best way to enjoy his videos is to expect him to pick every game apart, and to not be optimistic of him praising the positive parts of a game. This aspect isn't consistent, though. I do agree that Scribblenauts is a new game with unique aspects to it (I've never played Drawn to Life), but one shouldn't expect him to give a bone to every game that he absolutely demolishes. In fact, when Yahtzee reviewed Portal, I half expected him to criticise the short length of the game and the fact that the game is about as challenging and innovative on the players' part as Super Mario.

I believe that Yahtzee is trying to say that the game doesn't really have challenges because there doesn't really seem to be any difficulty curve when you're allowed to just rumble through the game. Sure, a creative person could conjure up all sorts of stuff to complete a level, but it still doesn't change the fact that any variable between the beginning of the level to the end of the level can be replaced by a generic jet, or Cthulu. An analogy would be trying to "catch 'em all" in Pokemon Red as the motto of the game suggests, but no one's going to actually do that because you can just steamroll through the entire game with a Charizard that pretty much kills everything with Dragon Claw.

You're right about the fact that few have their own opinions here, though. Most people simply post with a "wow ur so right im not going to buy this game because u talk rly fast and i am convinced because talking rly fast makes you intelligent and therefore correct".

Well, I suppose "absolutely disagree" was perhaps the wrong way to phrase it. I mean, it's still a Zero Punctuation review, and I enjoyed the colorful turns of phrase contained within even if I disagreed with many of the actual opinions. I don't think I expected him to actually praise the game -- it certainly doesn't compare to Portal, Braid, or Psychonauts -- but I guess the one running thread of positivity throughout his reviews has been an appreciation for uniqueness, the flip-side of his absolute hatred of the samey "me too!" bullshit that permeates the industry, and I thought that might show up somewhere. Also, I did say that I was only a little surprised that he didn't throw it a bone. Such commentary is, after all, counter to his MO.

It is true that I said his arguments weren't especially compelling for me, personally, but I didn't actually say why I enjoy the game. I understand his criticism of Scribblenauts as a "non game" due to the lack of a concrete sense of progression and purpose, but I thought I addressed that by saying I treat the game more like a toy than a game in the traditional sense. It's like a bucket full of Lego, and every now and then I crack it open to see what my imagination feels like coming up with today. I solved a level where I had to get past some big scary thing by summoning Medusa, having her look at her reflection and turn herself to stone, and then using her disembodied head to turn my foe to stone. I could have just had Medusa do it for me, but that wouldn't have been as much fun. Once, on the playground, I was testing out how many different mythological creatures I could summon. I summoned a harpy, and then a Siren, and when the siren kicked the harpy's ass, it left behind a roast chicken, which Cerberus, who I forgot I had summoned, quickly came over to devour. I find that kind of thing incredibly entertaining, and well worth dealing with the game's inconsistencies.

I like your Pokémon analogy, though. Personally, I only ever played Emerald, and I never stuck with any one particular Pokéthing, and I didn't try to "catch 'em all," either. I made the Pokémon I liked most work for me, because the game allowed me to do so. But I suppose the series had evolved significantly since Red and Green. I guess for some games, how much you enjoy it depends on how you approach it in the first place.

Wait... Running around with no legs?

WhyCthulhu thou? What made them add Cthulhu to the list of items you could spawn // It just seems random, so very random

-M

Loved how it was the definition of "Fin" instead of "Fun" at the end =P

Ah yes, when in doubt, spawn Cthulu.
Unless you like the Baby, Glue, Manticore formula.

I love it when a new review comes out, especially when it's a game i've kept an eye on.

GeEom:
Theres a void here just before creed and modern warfare two,
... I guess just because the companies want to release closer to christmas?
more awesome stuff here yahtz

What is it with you people? I've been here for almost a year now, and every single time Yahtzee Croshaw makes a thread, people like you just HAVE to be first in line to post. You cannot possibly have watched the video that fast! It's impossible! You posted 60 seconds after he did, so how the hell can you say, 'awesome stuff as usual'? You didn't watch it!

I mean no disrespect, but honestly, just what do you get out of it? Do you have an orgasm every time you're the first to post in a thread? Do you realize that even if you did, and that's a big IF, you'll still be suspended or probated?

I just don't understand why.

The only reason I would buy a DS and this game is because you get to summon Cthulhu.
Every game needs that.

Also, 'Phn'glui mglaw'nafh Yahtzee R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn' made laugh so hard I died a few times. Somehow.

3:27 Lol NEDM

Lordofthesuplex:

Captain Pancake:
It seems a moot point saying a DS game is bad, seeing as most of the people who have DS's are little brothers and geriartrics who can't remember what 2+2 equals.

See this is why Yahtzee should not review games on Nintendo systems if he's going to be negative about it: Because then I have to put up with dipshit comments like this plaguing the discussion thread.

In Closing: When are you going to review Dissidia, afraid you'll enjoy it?

Bad idea. Yahtzee's hatred of Final Fantasy + his hatred of fighting games = possibly enough hatred and flame wars to pretty much turn the forums into a raging inferno.

I've been over this about ten times already on this thread, would you people stop jumping down my throat and taking jabs at my self esteem?

Flying-Emu:

Captain Pancake:
It seems a moot point saying a DS game is bad, seeing as most of the people who have DS's are little brothers and geriartrics who can't remember what 2+2 equals.

The sum of 2+2 is four and geriatrics can remember that. As well as "little brothers."

Where the fuck are you getting this statistic, because most of the people I see with DS's are college students and people who don't have the money to plonk on a 360 or PSP.

Think for yourself and stop being Yahtzee's sheep.

Would you mind not trying to demean me? if I say i'm sorry, will you people stop trying to execute me over such a trivial thing? you know, it may be the internet, but words still hurt regardless.

Flying-Emu:

VanityGirl:
To think I actually wanted to buy this game. If it's that broken and boring, no thank you.

It's not. Yahtzee is just incapable of actually enjoying a game in these reviews because that's not what his fans want; they want him to take the most minute of errors in a game (Maxwell's control, for example, which I got a hang of about five levels in) and turn them into a dealbreaker.

@Yahtzee

The point of the game, you sorry excuse for a reviewer, is to give the gamer a sense of freedom, that feeling that he can do whatever he wants whenever he wants. Saying that the game boils down to "helicopter and rope" is idiocy, because you're missing the point of the entire game; Finding the wackiest solution to the puzzles. It's like playing through World of Warcraft and doing nothing but the collection quests; you're practically trying to miss out on the bits of the game that are actually fun.

You buy a game that is touted as promoting creativity and is advertised as "Do whatever you want!" and complain that you can just do the same thing over and over again? Your argument is flawed and idiotic, and I sincerely hope you regain the gland, artery, organ, cell, whatever it is that lets you enjoy something besides pandering to your cult-like following.

First of all, it's funny that you explain the point of the game to a professional reviewer and think you're 100% right. If a game should encourage different approaches and creativity, it at least shouldn't be broken. By the way, it's fucking irritating to hear the words "your argument is flawed and idiotic". I mean, I disagree with Yahtzee on a lot of games but I don't just outright say that he is wrong and I am right.
Yahtzee is a critic, it is his job to point out the flaws of the game he is reviewing. Still, he does enjoy games (Batman: Arkham Asylum, Cod 4, Portal, Burnout Paradise etc.) that suit him much better than an improperly functioning sandbox.

I remember hearing Yahtzee and the gang conversing about this when it was first announced on the podcast, and I'm afraid to say I was genuinely intrigued.

Yet another example of exciting inventive ideas badly executed.

"In his house at R'lyeh dead Yahtzee waits dreaming"

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Yahtzee R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

Captain Pancake:

Flying-Emu:

Captain Pancake:
It seems a moot point saying a DS game is bad, seeing as most of the people who have DS's are little brothers and geriartrics who can't remember what 2+2 equals.

The sum of 2+2 is four and geriatrics can remember that. As well as "little brothers."

Where the fuck are you getting this statistic, because most of the people I see with DS's are college students and people who don't have the money to plonk on a 360 or PSP.

Think for yourself and stop being Yahtzee's sheep.

Would you mind not trying to demean me? if I say i'm sorry, will you people stop trying to execute me over such a trivial thing? you know, it may be the internet, but words still hurt regardless.

If you're going to insult both a system and the people who play it, you shouldn't be surprised nor should you complain if you get insulted in return.

Having read a comment from someone at E3 that made me sit up and take notice* I was giving serious thought to buying a second hand DS and getting a copy of this, but after Yahtzee's review I'm starting to think it does sound more like an unrefined Beta or just the same gimmick again and again (and again... and again... and...)

Its true that there is such a thing as too much choice and it sucks the fun out of games. Part of the reason Portal was so damn good was (1) you only had the same kit every level but you had to think harder and harder to get it to do what you needed to and (2) it was kept short so that it didn't overstretch itself to the point of tedium.

I supposed for a relatively inexperienced developer trying to put EVERYTHING IN THE DAMN DICTIONARY into your inventory was just too damn ambitious a concept to be executed smoothly.

Still, I might get that second hand DS anyways. It might not be a perfect game, but if it does try something completely original it has to be worth playing.

(Its hard not to sit up and notice when I'm being promised dinosaurs, time travel and killing zombies in the same game)

I actually liked the premise of the game. Now I am confused. Quite a bit.

My dictionary says:
FUN. [fuhn]: A band formed by The Format's Nate Reuss, whose debut album, "Aim and Ignite", was released August 25, 2009.

Regardless, once again, a hilarious and telling review.

Lord_Seth:

Captain Pancake:

Flying-Emu:

Captain Pancake:
It seems a moot point saying a DS game is bad, seeing as most of the people who have DS's are little brothers and geriartrics who can't remember what 2+2 equals.

The sum of 2+2 is four and geriatrics can remember that. As well as "little brothers."

Where the fuck are you getting this statistic, because most of the people I see with DS's are college students and people who don't have the money to plonk on a 360 or PSP.

Think for yourself and stop being Yahtzee's sheep.

Would you mind not trying to demean me? if I say i'm sorry, will you people stop trying to execute me over such a trivial thing? you know, it may be the internet, but words still hurt regardless.

If you're going to insult both a system and the people who play it, you shouldn't be surprised nor should you complain if you get insulted in return.

Well, I'm sorry. I have been well and truly humbled. I won't voice my opinions again on a ZP review, that's for sure.

I totally agree with what he said about, when you have the ability to do/have anything from a large seemingly endless group of objects, you never know what to pick.

It's like having 4000 songs on your Ipod and having to only choose one to listen to before you have to shut it off and get to class, by the time you've decide the bell has rang and you're late.

Captain Pancake:

Lord_Seth:

Captain Pancake:

Flying-Emu:

Captain Pancake:
It seems a moot point saying a DS game is bad, seeing as most of the people who have DS's are little brothers and geriartrics who can't remember what 2+2 equals.

The sum of 2+2 is four and geriatrics can remember that. As well as "little brothers."

Where the fuck are you getting this statistic, because most of the people I see with DS's are college students and people who don't have the money to plonk on a 360 or PSP.

Think for yourself and stop being Yahtzee's sheep.

Would you mind not trying to demean me? if I say i'm sorry, will you people stop trying to execute me over such a trivial thing? you know, it may be the internet, but words still hurt regardless.

If you're going to insult both a system and the people who play it, you shouldn't be surprised nor should you complain if you get insulted in return.

Well, I'm sorry. I have been well and truly humbled. I won't voice my opinions again on a ZP review, that's for sure.

I'm not saying "don't voice your opinions." I'm saying "don't voice your opinions in an insulting manner, and then whine when people do the same to you."

On the E3 front, I think one of the reasons it got such an enthusiastic reception was that I doubt people played it for a lengthy period of time. I've never been to E3 myself but I assume you only get a certain amount of time per game. Most of the complaints Yahtzee brought up seem to be things that would start to bother players after playing for a while, hence the noticeable difference between the super-enthusiastic reception at E3 and the more lukewarm (79.46% on Game Rankings) reception when it was released.

Truer words have never been spoken. Why, just why does the game have to have 'big' maps you want to scroll around, but then zap back to your character the minute you stop to look at something? Why, when trying to pick up something you just created does the game assume you actually intend your character to jump into lava?

And indeed, practically every puzzle quest can be solved with a helicopter/pegasus and a rope - if you can get the rope to behave.

Man, I thought I'd hit rock bottom with Mini Ninjas last week in terms of fist-through-the-screen gameplay, but no, Scribblenauts is giving it a run for its money...

Screw this review, I'm still buying this game. Funny as always, though.

On another note, who or what is Chutulu?

I havn't laughed this much since the GoW2 review. I almost fell over when he talked about the star in the icecube on the back of the car.

Lord_Seth:

Captain Pancake:

Lord_Seth:

Captain Pancake:

Flying-Emu:

Captain Pancake:
It seems a moot point saying a DS game is bad, seeing as most of the people who have DS's are little brothers and geriartrics who can't remember what 2+2 equals.

The sum of 2+2 is four and geriatrics can remember that. As well as "little brothers."

Where the fuck are you getting this statistic, because most of the people I see with DS's are college students and people who don't have the money to plonk on a 360 or PSP.

Think for yourself and stop being Yahtzee's sheep.

Would you mind not trying to demean me? if I say i'm sorry, will you people stop trying to execute me over such a trivial thing? you know, it may be the internet, but words still hurt regardless.

If you're going to insult both a system and the people who play it, you shouldn't be surprised nor should you complain if you get insulted in return.

Well, I'm sorry. I have been well and truly humbled. I won't voice my opinions again on a ZP review, that's for sure.

I'm not saying "don't voice your opinions." I'm saying "don't voice your opinions in an insulting manner, and then whine when people do the same to you."

Well, I really don't know what to say. I can only ask myself why I would spend so much time on an internet forum arguing with people I don't know or care to know, when there are much more important things to do in life. I have friends that would be willing to spend time with me, yet instead I use it here. And there's the crunch. I really don't even know why I come here anymore, and this argument is testament to the ultimate triviality of the matter. Will this mean goodbye? who knows. Does anybody here care? not for me.

Showing your age with a comment about Bob Monkhouse :) Just as long as you're not mentioning Russ Abbot we'll be ok.

Kage Me:

On another note, who or what is Chutulu?

Look up HP Lovecraft (oh and is Cthulhu ;) ) .. actually don't its quite disturbing. Essentially big demon thing.

I actually love this game, but I do agree that there are some annoying flaws. Also, I should look up Cthulu some time. When I summoned him, he looked freakin' cool.

My favourite summons as I call them are God, the Devil and Death, all fighting in a death match cage with of course our all star champion Cthulu.

Than again I got Scribblenauts for free so I don't have the 45 dollar drag down tugging at the fun of being creative by summoning an axe, a top hat, a saddle and a polar bear and go Conan the Barbarian on the NPC's ass.

I just want to know where I can find that shirt.

ZZoMBiE13:
I had high hopes for Scribblenauts. But I'm glad I didn't buy it on day one. Thanks Yahtzee!

Wow you people are just plain stupid -.- following 1 single persons review like they're god. I LOVED scribblenauts. X play gave darkest of days 1 out of 5. BUT it was just really good and i enjoyed it. Yatzee has good points but my point is you twats decide for yourself. so please go back to your dark rooms and play Halo ( ya fan boys). Nintendo is a perfectly good company. Oh btw dont you just love this long rant. FLAME ON!!!!!!!

Captain Pancake:

Would you mind not trying to demean me? if I say i'm sorry, will you people stop trying to execute me over such a trivial thing? you know, it may be the internet, but words still hurt regardless.

I apologize. Just don't make wide, sweeping statements like that without source.

Journeythroughhell:

First of all, it's funny that you explain the point of the game to a professional reviewer and think you're 100% right. If a game should encourage different approaches and creativity, it at least shouldn't be broken. By the way, it's fucking irritating to hear the words "your argument is flawed and idiotic". I mean, I disagree with Yahtzee on a lot of games but I don't just outright say that he is wrong and I am right.
Yahtzee is a critic, it is his job to point out the flaws of the game he is reviewing. Still, he does enjoy games (Batman: Arkham Asylum, Cod 4, Portal, Burnout Paradise etc.) that suit him much better than an improperly functioning sandbox.

It's funny that you assume that, because he's a critic, he's correct. The game is not broken in any way; as I said before, the only people who complain of this sort of thing lack the creativity necessary to pull the full level of enjoyment from the game. Have you played Scribblenauts? I'm assuming not. Remember that Yahtzee is paid to do these things; if his ratings start to fall, he loses his job. Therefore, he's almost certain to care more about entertainment than actual journalistic quality.

You want a really unbiased review? Visit the User Reviews section of the forums. That's where you'll find reviews that are at least mildly reliable. Or you could, you know, form your own opinion.

chalkin:

I don't see where all the "idiotic" parts are coming from. Yahtzee never made any flawed "arguments", he simply said that the game isn't fun because if someone has every means to achieve something, it just doesn't hit them as fun because certain people probably need limits to a game in order to generate fun. Even in the Sims, the omnipotent player has limits to what they can do, measured in simoleons. He never personally assailed anyone who likes the game and I certainly don't see a reason why anyone who likes the game would rage over criticism of a game by a game critic.

Unless the designers of Scribblenauts are paying you a large sum of money to put a shield over their game on escapistmagazine.com, none of that was necessary. Moreover, none of his arguments were flawed. Most people, even those who enjoy the game, agree that the controls are screwed up and him not finding the game fun is just his opinion. Needless to say, when he told the designers of the game to look up the definition of "fun" at the end of the video, he was being facetious while accrediting to his dislike of the game.

By the way, what's this sense of freedom that you speak of when the one and only goal in the game is to get the starites? That just sounds a lot like Super Mario (hey I'm alluding to Super Mario again) with extra props. Or, if you didn't like my analogy with Super Mario, we can use your own: that just sounds a lot like playing World of Warcraft and raiding all the end game instances with 24 priests and a rogue; it's wacky.

I'm assuming you haven't played the game, since you don't understand the "sense of freedom". It's simply awe-inspiring how much you are able to do; if you can think of a solution to a puzzle, 99% of the time, you can try it. Yahtzee completely glossed over that in his review in favour of trashing on the control scheme (which, as I've stated earlier, takes roughly five puzzles to get control of) and the ability to solve every puzzle the same way. Which is hilarious, considering that the point of the game is not to "win", which is something that we as Westerners seem to have difficulty grasping.

That's my gripe. That he avoids talking about the positive aspects of a game in favour of trashing the most minute criticisms. That is idiocy. Or, some as some might put it, entertainment.

The problem is that most people don't realize that his reviews aren't meant to be unbiased; Yahtzee goes into a review looking for nothing but flaws. He doesn't care about the positive aspects, only destroying it to satiate his sheep.

Ramthundar:

Scribblenauts is one of those few games that gives you almost as much choice as Life does. If you just chose the easy way out, that's your own fault, not the games.

So great it had to be said twice. Excellent way to put it, Ramthundar.

Flying-Emu:

I'm assuming you haven't played the game, since you don't understand the "sense of freedom". It's simply awe-inspiring how much you are able to do; if you can think of a solution to a puzzle, 99% of the time, you can try it. Yahtzee completely glossed over that in his review in favour of trashing on the control scheme (which, as I've stated earlier, takes roughly five puzzles to get control of) and the ability to solve every puzzle the same way. Which is hilarious, considering that the point of the game is not to "win", which is something that we as Westerners seem to have difficulty grasping.

That's my gripe. That he avoids talking about the positive aspects of a game in favour of trashing the most minute criticisms. That is idiocy. Or, some as some might put it, entertainment.

The problem is that most people don't realize that his reviews aren't meant to be unbiased; Yahtzee goes into a review looking for nothing but flaws. He doesn't care about the positive aspects, only destroying it to satiate his sheep.

I think the issue you're having with Yahtzee is that you're having a hard time to grasp the fact that he criticises games. It's his job, he gets paid for it; it's not idiocy. Yes, it is entertaining to watch him pick apart various mainstream games; why else would you, along with presumably hundreds of thousands of other dedicated viewers, watch his videos? If you watch his videos to complain about how he doesn't mention some of the positive aspects of the game, that would be idiocy.

No, I haven't played the game. I don't doubt that the amount of freedom you have in the game isn't what the game is advertised to be; but neither does Yahtzee. He complained about the controls stating that it would have been better to just move the guy with the analog (left; right; up; down) buttons. I agree with that. I've never been a fan of point and click games (with the exception of Diablo 2) either.

Again, I just wanted to stress that it's probably true that Yahtzee criticises games for a living. If you wanted to read a reviewer talk about all the positive aspects of the game (although I can't really imagine why unless you have your own doubts about the game), then go read one of the reviews which praise the games; they're all over the internet.

chalkin:
I think the issue you're having with Yahtzee is that you're having a hard time to grasp the fact that he criticises games. It's his job, he gets paid for it; it's not idiocy. Yes, it is entertaining to watch him pick apart various mainstream games; why else would you, along with presumably hundreds of thousands of other dedicated viewers, watch his videos? If you watch his videos to complain about how he doesn't mention some of the positive aspects of the game, that would be idiocy.

hey, don't discourage discussion like that. do you really believe that there wouldn't be plenty of people that complain. I love complaining, and the complainers have plenty to say because they're not agreeing with the base topic

I mean, you don't want only the "sheepy" people to post do you? because in the end, without the complainers there's no discussion right? just nods of approval, bleh, people can be much more interesting than that

also, just to be on topic

I still don't like the physics at some points, completely random things can happen which leads to the repeated restarting of levels

Flying-Emu:

Journeythroughhell:

First of all, it's funny that you explain the point of the game to a professional reviewer and think you're 100% right. If a game should encourage different approaches and creativity, it at least shouldn't be broken. By the way, it's fucking irritating to hear the words "your argument is flawed and idiotic". I mean, I disagree with Yahtzee on a lot of games but I don't just outright say that he is wrong and I am right.
Yahtzee is a critic, it is his job to point out the flaws of the game he is reviewing. Still, he does enjoy games (Batman: Arkham Asylum, Cod 4, Portal, Burnout Paradise etc.) that suit him much better than an improperly functioning sandbox.

It's funny that you assume that, because he's a critic, he's correct. The game is not broken in any way; as I said before, the only people who complain of this sort of thing lack the creativity necessary to pull the full level of enjoyment from the game. Have you played Scribblenauts? I'm assuming not. Remember that Yahtzee is paid to do these things; if his ratings start to fall, he loses his job. Therefore, he's almost certain to care more about entertainment than actual journalistic quality.

You want a really unbiased review? Visit the User Reviews section of the forums. That's where you'll find reviews that are at least mildly reliable. Or you could, you know, form your own opinion.

Oh' that's kind of unfair, I've told you that my opinion is that Yahtzee is right. And I didn't assume that he is always correct, I just said that he is, in fact, a professional at that which means that you could at least respect his opinion. To answer your question, I've never played Scribblenauts due to me not having a DS but I did watch gameplay videos and they looked pretty average. I know I can't form and educated opinion like that but it's not your opinion I dislike but your rather unfair accusations of Yahtzee because he dared to review something you've happened to like.

hey, every action has an equal and opposite reaction, yeah?

Yatzee reviews and the people analyse his opinions and it leads to a back and forth. I usually like debate but it tends to grate when people debate about the purpose of debating

such as what I'm probably doing right now maybe

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