Might as Well Get to the Polanski Thing

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Might as Well Get to the Polanski Thing

MovieBob gives his two cents on the Roman Polanski affair.

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Seriously, I believe he should be let go. There should be a law that if the "victim" forgives their "attacker" then they should be let go. He didn't ruin her life, the courts are now, however. She wants it forgotten. Forget it.

A very well written article and this article can apply to a lot more things that have permeated the American culture. Everything has become too personal where even the simple comment can invoke a rally of trolls to stop discussing about the issue and start attacking the people.

I think the United States news and their outlets are major victims to this. From straight news anchors to commentators, news and the people in the industry are no longer focusing on the issue but instead focus on the individual. This degeneration of news has created people like Glenn Beck to exist and since ratings have become more important than facts or real journalism the news industry has dragged itself down. It is sad that commentators are actually pushing their own agenda while it is the comedians like the Daily Show and Colbert Report are the few that can actually point out the flaws with our current generation of the news industry.

We(Americans) need to stop bringing our own personal views into matters that do not concern us because more and more people are taking people's blogs and vlogs as facts when they are nothing more than opinion focused for attention and ratings.

The outpouring around Michael Jackson and O.J. reached similar levels of hysteria on both sides, but my main point of puzzlement in this case is around the Polish.

On the day he was arrested the headlines in Reuters read:

1) Anger in France and Poland over Polanski arrest
2) Poland okays forcible castration for paedophiles.

One wonders why Poland is so angry, and whether Roman got off lightly?

Great article. Thank you.

The_root_of_all_evil:
The outpouring around Michael Jackson and O.J. reached similar levels of hysteria on both sides, but my main point of puzzlement in this case is around the Polish.

On the day he was arrested the headlines in Reuters read:

1) Anger in France and Poland over Polanski arrest
2) Poland okays forcible castration for paedophiles.

One wonders why Poland is so angry, and whether Roman got off lightly?

Polanski gave Polish people something to brag about. "We got a dude that won an oscar!". Hence he gets off easy. OR! It could be that they were angry cause they wanted to make Polanski the first for castration.

oliveira8:

Polanski gave Polish people something to brag about. "We got a dude that won an oscar!". Hence he gets off easy. OR! It could be that they were angry cause they wanted to make Polanski the first for castration.

Either way, it's a very interesting reaction.

Not prosecuting him could turn to be a very slippery slope. Pedophiles could easily reach out to this specific case and attempt to go free.

Regardless of the good he's done and the movies he's made, he did something illegal and no amount of time will make it any less illegal. I say sentence him, pedophiles should be hanged.

Good article. Especially that last bit: Nobody will ever forget what he did in '77, not even his friends and loved ones.

I myself can't hate the guy. I only know him through movies and his movies were fantastic.

I'm going to be controversial, so hold onto your hats.

If you stick your penis into a little kid, you deserve jail time.

Windexglow:
Not prosecuting him could turn to be a very slippery slope. Pedophiles could easily reach out to this specific case and attempt to go free.

Yeah, but he could be given mitigating circumstances and a proven 32 years without reoffending - he could be tried and convicted, but the sentence doesn't necessarily have to be as harsh as it could be without giving precedent for other peadophiles to point to and say "HE GOT AWAY WITH IT!".

I would just like to say that no one in Britain gives a fuck when we have stories like this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/8310776.stm

HG131:
Seriously, I believe he should be let go. There should be a law that if the "victim" forgives their "attacker" then they should be let go. He didn't ruin her life, the courts are now, however. She wants it forgotten. Forget it.

Why didn't you put "forgive" in quotations as well?

OT: Half agree with the article, but just because he fights the stereotype doesn't excuse what he has done.

He had sex with a 13 year old girl when he was in his 40's, and has escaped punishment for it for 30 years. That's the bare balls of it, his job is irrelevant. He's not mentally impaired in any way; plenty of people suffer horrific things but don't then sleep with kids and whatever.

Great article. Probably the best comment I've read. Thanks

Here's a thought experiment: Would the outcry have been so intense if the whole Garrido/Jaycee story hadn't become known shortly before?

Just reading comments around the internet, it seems like the majority have no sympathy at all and I wonder if they are reacting to the contempt, arrogance and lack of remorse they perceive,(his infamous Vanity Fair comment, the fact that he never came back to take care of this, etc) as by his actual sexual misdeeds.

What's curious to me is how someone with his intelligence, wealth, advantages and presumably good legal advice, could have been so tone deaf and and placed himself in such jeopardy.

Windexglow:
Not prosecuting him could turn to be a very slippery slope. Pedophiles could easily reach out to this specific case and attempt to go free.

Regardless of the good he's done and the movies he's made, he did something illegal and no amount of time will make it any less illegal. I say sentence him, pedophiles should be hanged.

If his prosecution is thrown out on the basis of a mis-trial due to the shenanigans surrounding the plea bargain, then it is in no way a slippery slope, and no one else, barring a mistrial, could use it as precedent.

I particularly enjoy the relatively reasonable tone you take with the whole thing, followed by "people should die for having sex with other people that are across the arbitrary age limit". Unless you're only talking about pedophiles that are clinically diagnosed. In which case you would appear to be advocating the death penalty for people with mental problems. Real classy. /sarcasm

Here's my take: if the plea bargain shens are true, and the judge was going to renege on the deal, then his "guilty" plea shouldn't stand. Without a guilty plea, and without a victim bringing charges, if the courts still have a case, let them start it over from scratch.

If the shens are not true, then no matter the mitigating factors, the trial should still happen, and let the legal system do its thang. If he's convicted, and the law allows for adjustments to a guilty sentence (by judge or jury), then let that judge or jury mitigate the punishment as they see fit.

I like to believe that justice means that no matter who you are, you will be held accountable for your actions. If I drug and rape a child, but produce a beautiful film, that should not mean a damn thing. I still belong in jail.

I'll separate the artist from his work when he's dead.

I don't believe in justice, or morality or anything, but I believe in social contract. If you live in a country, you have made a promise to obey its laws and if you brake them, you get punished. Same laws for everyone, same rights for everyone, same punishments for everyone.

Regarding the phrase: "For those keeping track, that takes care of the only people whose opinions actually matter in this circumstance."

The crime was committed also against the people of the state of California. The victim involved, tries their case at the civil level of the court systems. The violation of the law, and the punitive level is handled as a crime against the state; thus the cases being stated as The People of California vs. Roman Polanski.

To say the opinions of the people of California are of no concern, is to ignore the crime committed against them. The state of California has the right to enact laws, prosecute their offenders and pursue the escaped convicted fugitives of such prosecutions.

Alright, I'll say the following yet again (from various posts on various subjects):

#1: Ever heard of a writer called Spider Robinson? He wrote things like "Callahan's Crosstime Saloon", and "Callhan's Lady". As a victim of sexual assault as a child (which fortunatly I do not remember, but which actually happened) I sort of agree with him that the only real way to truely "punish" a rapist is for them to be raped themselves.

In the majority of cases everyone is going to have some kind of sexual/erotic contact they find repugnant. As brutal and "cruel and unusual" as it is, I feel that the only way of evening thigns out in most cases is a variation on "Eye For An Eye" let Bubba, or evilly created rape devices/machines mete justice where the regular system cannot.

#2: When I talk about rape, I talk about actually forcing yourself on someone else. Statuatory Rape and so on is definatly WRONG but not quite as evil as the above, thus I feel it deserves far lesser punishment, when it comes down to it it's not the same as an actual ATTACK. It's wrong for societal reasons, having to do with children unable to mentally and emotionally deal with things that they are physically capable of handling.

In the case of Mr. Polanski it seems like he's definatly in catagory #2. Over the years a lot of things have been said about his case. Right now a dominant version of the story says that he drugged her, and so on. On the other hand there has also been money involved in this in the past, and the forgiveness of the victim is generally coming after she realized she wasn't going to get any cash out of him.

When dealing with a case that happened when I was 2 years old, it's a tricky subject, but looking at things retroactively *I* am not entirely convinced that she wasn't a lolita trying to get her hooks into him. Oh sure she was drugged... and all would be forgiven for dumptrucks full of cash delivered to her doorstep.

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Roman deserves jail time in my opinion, probably to spend the rest of his life behind bars. The amount of time/punishment I would have originally suggested giving him (which would be dependant on details we're unlikely to ever truely sort out) being irrelevent compared to the fact that the guy fled to avoid persecution, and sat there for decades tweaking our noses from behind a non-extradition treaty while producing arthouse cinema.

Despite what others think, we'll never be able to prove the extent of his molestation, but we DO know what he did to avoid capture, and that right there is enough to throw the book at him. He sort of became a poster child for "rich/famous guys laughing at US Law", I can't help but wonder how many crimes he personally has encouraged among the arthouse elite due to his apparent success.

There are of course other issues involved here, like again *FRANCE* and the role it had been playing in this whole thing.


So basically I say toss him in jail with a 20-50 year sentence, and then do what is needed to sieze his finances despite the protests of other nations shielding him. Indeed I think he should be being used as more of an example as to why the US should be playing a lot more hardball with our alleged "allies" like France.... not that I really expect someone like Obama to do anything here where other Presidents have either failed, or effectively engaged in the ritual castration of American power. :P

I mean frankly, people wonder why France did things like "The Oil For Food" scandal, and then reacted to it the way they did with their domestic media, when we couldn't even get them to hand over a fugitive who was thumbing his nose at us (irregardless of what he did). Truthfully, Polanski doesn't matter much in the overall scheme of things, but if France ever wonders why we hate them, and start kicking the crud out of them one way or another (hopefully) it's one big thing we can point at and go "that's basically why we're making a nation sized pile of frog legs".

It is nice to see there are people who still have some sanity in this world, great article.

I strongly believe in the concepts of Mercy, Forgiveness, and Redemption. Then again, I also firmly believe in justice, so make of that what you will.

either way he buggered a 13 year old girl and got away with it, this being said, ive seen the documentary with her accounts and she was more than willing, not that that makes it ok, cause it isnt, but if her mom was dragging her around know perverts (polanski was big into women) she was accepting that risk, the woman says not to blamer her mother but its hard not to when the woman basically dragged her daughter into this place like a toy with a vagina.and what girl wouldnt be willing to be with a famous person at that age. how many girls would give it up pr pete wense from fall out boy, or that douche from twilight? anyway.. is he guilty, yes, should he be paying for a crime that no one cares about? no. the judge shouldnt have let him leave, his lawyers said he was in the middle of shooting a movie, so he let him, go, bad call on the judge.

As much as the victim wants to let Polanski off, that's not how justice truly works. In our current Western social contract, we recognize that we must control ourselves to some extent, and therefore surrender part of our freedom in order to be part of society. Polanski violated this contract, and therefore must suffer the penality that the law dictates. Let's stick him in the Panopticon, just like Bentham would have wanted.

I would just like to put it out there so people can understand this in plain, and easy to read english.

Roman Polanski got drunk, gave a 13 year old girl alchohol and drugs and then proceeded to rape and sodomize her. When he was afraid of actually getting a real punishment for his actions(not a hollywood slap on the wrist) he fled the country instead of owning up to his crimes and working with his lawyer and the system to weed out the corruption he felt was in the system.

Agian, He ran away instead of owning up to what he did. He ran. He knew what he did was wrong, and even after all the crap he witnessed throughout his life and seeing what the nazis did to his own people he ran like a coward instead of staying and facing his actions.

To me the man is a cowardly rapist, and yes he is a rapist.

So in my opinion, yes he should come back and own up to his actions and stand in front of the white house or LA city hall or other public building and give a written apology to the poeple of the united states for being a rapist and a coward and living under the protection of another country. His friends may say he has been punished enough over the years for what he did because he couldnt travel where he wanted to for his film career but last time I checked there werent to many fugitive rapists out there living in multimillion dollar homes with their families living the good life and being adulated by their peers.

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imburke:
either way he buggered a 13 year old girl and got away with it, this being said, ive seen the documentary with her accounts and she was more than willing, not that that makes it ok, cause it isnt, but if her mom was dragging her around know perverts (polanski was big into women) she was accepting that risk, the woman says not to blamer her mother but its hard not to when the woman basically dragged her daughter into this place like a toy with a vagina.and what girl wouldnt be willing to be with a famous person at that age. how many girls would give it up pr pete wense from fall out boy, or that douche from twilight? anyway.. is he guilty, yes, should he be paying for a crime that no one cares about? no. the judge shouldnt have let him leave, his lawyers said he was in the middle of shooting a movie, so he let him, go, bad call on the judge.

This guy is a pedophile waiting to happen. If he had any smarts at all(or inhabitions about buggering 13 year olds himself/herself) he would recognize how horribly skewed that documentary was. Its hard enough for victims of sexual assault and rape to come forward but when things like that polanski documentary(if it could be called that) come along and paint the perpetrator as the victim and the victim as someone who "wants it" then justice will never truly be known. Please sir, admit yourself to a psyche ward and stay away from the childrens.

Everybody would have sex with 13 year old girls if they could.

Also Chinatown sucked.

Fredrick2003:
Everybody would have sex with 13 year old girls if they could.

Also Chinatown sucked.

I disagree strongly on both those points.

I see no reason why the law should be lenient on him. The wheels of justice may grind slowly but the grind fine. He's one of my top five favorite directors but that doesn't excuse what he did.

Cliff_m85:
I'm going to be controversial, so hold onto your hats.

If you stick your penis into a little kid, you deserve jail time.

Well said. I'm sure many of the priests found to/convicted of molesting children did tons of good things for their communities/parishes when they weren't molesting their victims. Guess what? THEY STILL MOLESTED SOMEONE so it really doesn't matter how many good deeds they did nor should it. You can't make up for sexually assaulting a child with spiritually counseling numerous communities and running countless bake sales, festivals, fish dinners, soup kitchens etc and you sure as hell cant make up for it by making 10 movies since 1997 of questionable quality.

There is no innocence, only varying degrees of guilt. I say hang everyone, for any reason.

Anyone who is still calling for lenience or justice in the comments should probably re-read the article.

odubya23:
There is no innocence, only varying degrees of guilt. I say hang everyone, for any reason.

Except for you. This would solve a lot of the world's problems in any case.

I see this kind of thing every day where people think they need to get personally involved in something that, when you get down to it, is just another bit of gossip that doesn't concern them in any way. But, we're all human. Sometimes it helps to get a bit of perspective from someone else.

I don't really care one way or another.

And now, for something completely different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty#Physical_changes_in_females

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATsOA-EKrQc

SAVEpointGL1TCH:

Cliff_m85:
I'm going to be controversial, so hold onto your hats.

If you stick your penis into a little kid, you deserve jail time.

Well said. I'm sure many of the priests found to/convicted of molesting children did tons of good things for their communities/parishes when they weren't molesting their victims. Guess what? THEY STILL MOLESTED SOMEONE so it really doesn't matter how many good deeds they did nor should it. You can't make up for sexually assaulting a child with spiritually counseling numerous communities and running countless bake sales, festivals, fish dinners, soup kitchens etc and you sure as hell cant make up for it by making 10 movies since 1997 of questionable quality.

Hmmm....maybe if he wasn't a Roman Polanski and rather a Roman Catholic Priest?

Cliff_m85:
I'm going to be controversial, so hold onto your hats.

If you stick your penis into a little kid, you deserve jail time.

Dude, no.
Didn't you read?

He's made movies.
This totally excuses him.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go fuck some kids and write some books.
That just about balances the scales, right?
Maybe help some little old ladies across the street to make sure my karma matches up perfectly with my anti-karma.

MaxTheReaper:

Cliff_m85:
I'm going to be controversial, so hold onto your hats.

If you stick your penis into a little kid, you deserve jail time.

Dude, no.
Didn't you read?

He's made movies.
This totally excuses him.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go fuck some kids and write some books.
That just about balances the scales, right?
Maybe help some little old ladies across the street to make sure my karma matches up perfectly with my anti-karma.

I know man *rolls eyes*. It's even closer to me because assholes are saying "The girl forgave him". Fuck no, she just doesn't want to relive it all over again. She doesn't want reporters trying to get her to recall what happened or see her face on tv or be known as "the rape victim". It's common sense and people are just fucking insane.

I'd suggest joining the clergy first, just to be safe.

Cliff_m85:

I'd suggest joining the clergy first, just to be safe.

I can't.
Every time I go near a church, one of us catches fire.

And it's usually me.
I don't know about where you live, but most of the stores around here don't accept returns on clothes that have been "burned by spontaneous heavenly fire."

Also, it makes sense that a trauma victim wouldn't want to try to recall intimate details.
People tend to put that shit behind them, for good reason.

Right he breaks the law (not a paedophile thought since she was older than 12 but still illegal)
then flees the country to escape justice (also a crime)
I don't think jail is appropriate since he clearly isn't a present danger but to do what he has done with no repercusions legally isn't right I would just make him give the victim a ton of money of which he must have tons anyway.

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