Zero Punctuation: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

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sneakypenguin:
I'm not sure if you remember this but COD1 for the PC had a huge MP following and COD2 was #1 on XBL for a while when it first came out. Come to think of it it seems to be primarily a duel purpose game. Single play to prep you for MP then MP for replay value.

Not really, no. The trailers, box blurbs and so on always emphasised the singleplayer aspect; CoD1's only mention of multiplayer on the box is essentially 'or I guess you could do this' before going back to talking about 'intense battlefield moments' and so on. 2's image captions don't even mention the game has multiplayer, let alone show what it looks like.

Also, how on earth does singleplayer prep you for multiplayer aside from giving you a chance to learn the PPsH is ridiculous? They're nothing alike in gameplay terms.

The campaign of the first Modern Warfare was fairly short. Short doesn't have to be bad.

hey, i loved it... yeah even the SP... short, but the plot was still better than most anything that twists out of the anus of the video game industry... Plus, the patriotism kinda went away when america was the bad guy... just saying.

Evil Tim:

sneakypenguin:
I'm not sure if you remember this but COD1 for the PC had a huge MP following and COD2 was #1 on XBL for a while when it first came out. Come to think of it it seems to be primarily a duel purpose game. Single play to prep you for MP then MP for replay value.

Not really, no. The trailers, box blurbs and so on always emphasised the singleplayer aspect; CoD1's only mention of multiplayer on the box is essentially 'or I guess you could do this' before going back to talking about 'intense battlefield moments' and so on. 2's image captions don't even mention the game has multiplayer, let alone show what it looks like.

Also, how on earth does singleplayer prep you for multiplayer aside from giving you a chance to learn the PPsH is ridiculous? They're nothing alike in gameplay terms.

He's right, that's kinda how CoD works. They are MP games. Get familiar with the guns and the feel of the game, and then move onto the multiplayer. Fair enough if you don't dig on multiplayer, but I'd say people probably shouldn't hang so much shit on call of duty's single player. It's not really made for that.

MilkyFresh:
He's right, that's kinda how CoD works. They are MP games. Get familiar with the guns and the feel of the game, and then move onto the multiplayer. Fair enough if you don't dig on multiplayer, but I'd say people probably shouldn't hang so much shit on call of duty's single player. It's not really made for that.

I own every CoD game aside from the Wii ones. Singleplayer was not an afterthought in the early ones and has been obviously scaled back in terms of effort as the series went on. Most likely this was to free up budget for the inevitable balance patches that multiplayer requires, and licensing a billion million weapons for the 4 / 6 unlock systems.

The Big Eye:
The campaign of the first Modern Warfare was fairly short. Short doesn't have to be bad.

I'm left wondering why they didn't kill the other two and had Roach and Ghost going after Shepherd? Soap and Price we all liked and got to know in CoD4 first. That would have been a huge Tear Jerker and had much more of an impact.

Finally someone agrees with me!

sneakypenguin:

TheRealCJ:

miracleofsound:
Huh.

Reviewing Call of Duty without the multiplayer is like reviewing a Big Mac without mentioning what the meat tastes like.

That may be the dumbest thing I've read today.

Call of Duty has ALWAYS been story first, multiplayer second. The problem is that the HALO fantards discovered that COD4's multiplayer was pretty good, and suddenly it's the latter first.

I'm not sure if you remember this but COD1 for the PC had a huge MP following and COD2 was #1 on XBL for a while when it first came out. Come to think of it it seems to be primarily a duel purpose game. Single play to prep you for MP then MP for replay value.

I'll give you that.

But I also remember when COD 1/2 came out, I didn't play the multiplayer for MONTHS. I still haven't played COD4 Multiplayer, and I've had the game for a good 20 months at this point. I've played through the story mode maybe a dozen times, because it's just that good.

When you need multiplayer, not only to hold up the game, but to justify it's existance, why not just make it a multiplayer game, like Team Fortress or Unreal Tournament?

Revelo:
I'm left wondering why they didn't kill the other two and had Roach and Ghost going after Shepherd? Soap and Price we all liked and got to know in CoD4 first. That would have been a huge Tear Jerker and had much more of an impact.

But Ghost is rather obviously someone else, so that only really leaves Roach.

I, like others, was worried that maybe Yahtzee was losing his edge. However, this video happily dispels these worries.

I agree with him on everything he brought up in his video (particularly the blood jelly and the unnecessary PC deaths on the Russian house level). That and the deaths of the TF141 Characters were particularly annoying, especially as I'd gotten to like Ghost.

One thing that he failed to bring up, which surprised me, was the last level (the whole 'kill the bad guy after you've fallen off the side of a waterfall' level). Was it just me, or did this feel like an extended Quick Time Event? I got so bored of it that whenever it told me to press E (I have it on PC), I just continuously tapped the button whilst reading a magazine article on the upcoming Splinter Cell: Conviction.

And at least Soap was a character I could enjoy playing as this time, even if he didn't use the line "short controlled bursts" (a reference to Dog Soldiers for those that remember him in that). Loved the 'Solid Soap' thing as well! :-)

I don't play the multiplayer either, for the very simple fact that I dislike the lack of overall objective (which is something I look to the Battlefield series for, particularly BF2142 - whose Titan mode is everything I look for in multiplayer), and IW managed to screw the pooch on MP for the PC gamers anyway.

So, I can well understand why he'd avoid it. Though the Spec Ops missions are a nice add-on, and it did surprise me that IW didn't decide to have a Co-op main campaign (like every other game out there these days).

Just my thoughts...

I must have died 60 times on one level as the enemy completely surrounded me from where it kept the checkpoint. Annoying to say the least. I managed to overcome this by swift hiding...

Evil Tim:

MilkyFresh:
He's right, that's kinda how CoD works. They are MP games. Get familiar with the guns and the feel of the game, and then move onto the multiplayer. Fair enough if you don't dig on multiplayer, but I'd say people probably shouldn't hang so much shit on call of duty's single player. It's not really made for that.

I own every CoD game aside from the Wii ones. Singleplayer was not an afterthought in the early ones and has been obviously scaled back in terms of effort as the series went on. Most likely this was to free up budget for the inevitable balance patches that multiplayer requires, and licensing a billion million weapons for the 4 / 6 unlock systems.

Yeah maybe... But i do think that it was not entirely a budget thing (activision and infinity ward are zillionaires for fuck's sake)... Just a focus change. Also what does 4/6 mean?

MilkyFresh:
Yeah maybe... But i do think that it was not entirely a budget thing (activision and infinity ward are zillionaires for fuck's sake)... Just a focus change. Also what does 4/6 mean?

4 and 6 [Modern Warfare 1 and 2] are the only games in the series that have to care about licensing weapon names, since WW2 weapons seem to be regarded as public domain.

Hm, kind of strange to review (or 'review') MW2 and not play the online multiplayer mode... sure, MW2 has an impressive campaign mode, but that's not the reason most people buy the game, and that's not the reason most people will still play it two months from now...

He's right of course about people online generally being fucktards, but that affects all online games and unfortunately there's not much to be done about it...

I found the shock factor to quite make up for the short single player. And damn, how much of that review did other non-native speakers understand? I watched some parts of it three times and still haven't perceived everything Yahtzee said..

b4betty:
At least the german pornstar grew a full beard this time around...

Which was a bit like the American president holding his acceptance speech in Russian. Not Right.

I think the ZP this week is the most honest review of this game so far.

I can understand why he wouldent play the multiplayer regardless as to how much of the game it takes up. And I guess the tragicness of the deaths werent even that shocking beond the last one with roach and ghost but that was only because betrayal was involved as well.

yahtzee's review is pointless to me because hes only interested in the SP and i'm only interested in the MP. got a couple of laughs at least but mostly ZP jokes were only funny for the first 50 or so episodes.

I laughed my ass off during this episode. Must be the funniest in a while, at least for me.

Hahahaha! Classic Yahtzee. What a fantastic review. I noticed how he was speaking so much faster in this one.

There were parts of the story I liked, and some missions were really cool. But the majority of it was ridiculous. Whoever I was playing as seemed to be constantly near death during a weird shaky cutscene. And the narrative was stupid too. Why the hell would *SPOILER ALERT* the *** betray the B***s when there's an evil Russian terroist to catch...

Thank you for pointing out that the civialian massacre thing has already been done in most sandbox games.

Lord Frunkamunch:
So wait, does ANYONE who posts within the first five minutes get banned, or is it only the ones who claim to have watched the video/yell "first"? This has been bugging me for a while.

you can comment, but if its before the video could be done, and you are commenting on quality, you get banned.
that and first shouts

The civilain massacre thing never happens in a believale setting.
FO3-'Go and kill the entire town of greenhavlen and ill give you a potato' just dosent seem plausible

TheRealCJ:

miracleofsound:
Huh.

Reviewing Call of Duty without the multiplayer is like reviewing a Big Mac without mentioning what the meat tastes like.

That may be the dumbest thing I've read today.

Call of Duty has ALWAYS been story first, multiplayer second. The problem is that the HALO fantards discovered that COD4's multiplayer was pretty good, and suddenly it's the latter first.

That was rather rude, but anyway... no accounting for manners...

The main focus for most people who bought MW2 was multiplayer.

Infinity Ward themselves even said in interviews that they were surprised how many people never even played the campaign in the first game, despite logging weeks worth of playtime into the multi.

http://www.theconsolebattle.com/2009/04/30-of-cod4-players-ignored-single.html

Now who's dumb?

Call of Duty used to be single player first, multiplayer second, but that is no longer the case.

Also, you may not like Halo but that doesn't mean people who do are 'tards'.

Your entire tone is rather annoying, actually.

miracleofsound:

TheRealCJ:

miracleofsound:
Huh.

Reviewing Call of Duty without the multiplayer is like reviewing a Big Mac without mentioning what the meat tastes like.

That may be the dumbest thing I've read today.

Call of Duty has ALWAYS been story first, multiplayer second. The problem is that the HALO fantards discovered that COD4's multiplayer was pretty good, and suddenly it's the latter first.

That was rather rude, but anyway... no accounting for manners...

The main focus for most people who bought MW2 was multiplayer.

Infinity Ward themselves even said in interviews that they were surprised how many people never even played the campaign in the first game, despite logging weeks worth of playtime into the multi.

Call of Duty used to be single player first, multiplayer second, but that is no longer the case.

Also, you may not like Halo but that doesn't mean people who do are 'tards'.

Your entire tone is rather annoying, actually.

Agreed, I myself have never finished the single player of COD4, and I dont plan on playing the single player of MW2.

I have been a fan of COD since the first game, and never finished the story. I don't buy war FPS's for single player, it has always been about the multiplayer aspect of the game. When COD4 came out, I was amazed at the online leveling system and was hooked. I played an absolute ton of that game.

When I heard MW2 was going to come out, I was skeptical of how different it could actually be, I had not planned on purchasing the game, at least not right away. I watched a video review the day the game came out, saw how the game had changed, and decided to give it a shot.

If you played a lot of COD4's multiplayer and then played MW2, then you would know that there are a lot of changes, improvements, and balances that make it feel vastly different while maintaining the same basic experience.

This is what I wanted out of MW2, I am completely satisfied in playing it, and I will never play the single player.

JakobLogan:

miracleofsound:

TheRealCJ:

miracleofsound:
Huh.

Reviewing Call of Duty without the multiplayer is like reviewing a Big Mac without mentioning what the meat tastes like.

That may be the dumbest thing I've read today.

Call of Duty has ALWAYS been story first, multiplayer second. The problem is that the HALO fantards discovered that COD4's multiplayer was pretty good, and suddenly it's the latter first.

That was rather rude, but anyway... no accounting for manners...

The main focus for most people who bought MW2 was multiplayer.

Infinity Ward themselves even said in interviews that they were surprised how many people never even played the campaign in the first game, despite logging weeks worth of playtime into the multi.

Call of Duty used to be single player first, multiplayer second, but that is no longer the case.

Also, you may not like Halo but that doesn't mean people who do are 'tards'.

Your entire tone is rather annoying, actually.

Agreed, I myself have never finished the single player of COD4, and I dont plan on playing the single player of MW2.

I have been a fan of COD since the first game, and never finished the story. I don't buy war FPS's for single player, it has always been about the multiplayer aspect of the game. When COD4 came out, I was amazed at the online leveling system and was hooked. I played an absolute ton of that game.

When I heard MW2 was going to come out, I was skeptical of how different it could actually be, I had not planned on purchasing the game, at least not right away. I watched a video review the day the game came out, saw how the game had changed, and decided to give it a shot.

If you played a lot of COD4's multiplayer and then played MW2, then you would know that there are a lot of changes, improvements, and balances that make it feel vastly different while maintaining the same basic experience.

This is what I wanted out of MW2, I am completely satisfied in playing it, and I will never play the single player.

I loved the single player, it's well worth a try anyway.

There's no denying though that it's the multi that has kept the game alive, and gotten people so obsessed with it.

I got real caught up in K:D and all that stuff for a while but have recently gone back to playing single player games more, so as to avoid giving myself a nervous breakdown from rage lol.

Yahtzee, did the lack of lean controls not bother you at all? That's the very thing that forces you to stand out in the open like a suicidal totem pole and get your screen splattered red every nanosecond. It's only the very core of Call of Duty's gameplay, ever since the original, except for the games Treyarch made, since they've always thought that leaning from cover is for pussies anyway. It's like CoD4 proved to be an unstoppable heavy weight boxing champ so Infinity Ward thought "well in that case he won't mind having an arm chopped off, he'll still be just as good".

Congrats Infinity Ward, you've proven yourselves even bigger dickheads than Treyarch.

Supernova2000:
Yahtzee, did the lack of lean controls not bother you at all? That's the very thing that forces you to stand out in the open like a suicidal totem pole and get your screen splattered red every nanosecond. It's only the very core of Call of Duty's gameplay, ever since the original. It's like CoD4 proved to be an unstoppable heavy weight boxing champ so Infinity Ward thought "well in that case he won't mind having an arm chopped off, he'll still be just as good".

Congrats Infinity Ward, you've proven yourselves even bigger dickheads than Treyarch.

I think that Yahtzee does most of his FPS reviews using the console version, so the lack of lean controls wouldn't really be an outstanding issue. Though you are right, Infinity Ward and Activision seem to be intent on trolling the CoD Fanbase as much as possible.

Best Thanksgiving present I could have hoped for! About time SOMEBODY tore this game a proper asshole. So sick of the overhyped BS for a game that, when all is said and done, is pretty mediocre and is just capitalizing off of remaining good vibes from a previous release and a massive $$$ marketing machine. Thankyou Yahtzee.

PointyDoom:

Supernova2000:
Yahtzee, did the lack of lean controls not bother you at all? That's the very thing that forces you to stand out in the open like a suicidal totem pole and get your screen splattered red every nanosecond. It's only the very core of Call of Duty's gameplay, ever since the original. It's like CoD4 proved to be an unstoppable heavy weight boxing champ so Infinity Ward thought "well in that case he won't mind having an arm chopped off, he'll still be just as good".

Congrats Infinity Ward, you've proven yourselves even bigger dickheads than Treyarch.

I think that Yahtzee does most of his FPS reviews using the console version, so the lack of lean controls wouldn't really be an outstanding issue. Though you are right, Infinity Ward and Activision seem to be intent on trolling the CoD Fanbase as much as possible.

True but a friend of mine has the ps3 version of CoD4 and according to him, you can use the sixaxis to lean in that one. That must mean Yahtzee went for the cheaper 360 version as usual and that never had it anyway.

Protagonist deaths didn't affect me at all, if they want us to care about our player characters, they need to give them at least an ounce of personality.

Yahtzee needs to try multiplayer.

strange...i found his review this week kinda...tame. I'm trying to become a critic who uses my sarcasm and wit and charm to give reviews of things but this week it feels as yatzee was not as into it as he usually is. his hate filled intellectual rant had no enthusiasm like it usually does.

Good review. While I enjoy MW2, it's clearly over-rated, with it's glaring flaws overlooked by the majority of reviewers.
Did anyone else find the levels that took place on US soil to be long, arduous, repetitive? At the same time, I constantly felt like all the good and enjoyable levels of the campaign were far too short. Not "that was so good I wish it was longer", but "that was really good, but why the hell did it end so damn soon?!", only to be followed by another monotonous US level, grinding through enemy AI. Or is that, enemy AI grinding through your will to live?
I take it you'll be reviewing assassins creed 2 soon, Yahtzee? I'll be looking forward to the watching it.

Finally, a review that actually talks sense about MW2.

And no, you really arent missing out on the multiplayer.

j_meister:
Good review. While I enjoy MW2, it's clearly over-rated, with it's glaring flaws overlooked by the majority of reviewers.
Did anyone else find the levels that took place on US soil to be long, arduous, repetitive? At the same time, I constantly felt like all the good and enjoyable levels of the campaign were far too short. Not "that was so good I wish it was longer", but "that was really good, but why the hell did it end so damn soon?!", only to be followed by another monotonous US level, grinding through enemy AI. Or is that, enemy AI grinding through your will to live?
I take it you'll be reviewing assassins creed 2 soon, Yahtzee? I'll be looking forward to the watching it.

I agree, the american levels were just building to building while the task force got to have the james bond levels that actually left me wanting more.

My favorite part of the spec-ops levels were the stealth because you and your friend could act like you knew what you were saying when you would say "Tango down" and "Four charlies, 12 o'clock"

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