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Mazty:

I'm sorry, but your immature way of misspelling Mazty is pathetic, and just shows the kind of mentality I'm having to deal with.
You specifically said another 2D Mario "is a great idea". I asked why, to which you then have not stopped screaming "TROLL".
Seriously, grow up as you seem to have the inability to discuss the topic at hand in any mature sense.

But I already said I'm not going to repeat mysel...dammit, troll, ya got me!

One more time, oh sage-like one: scroll up and read. It's in there. Your long list of questions such as "why is a 2D mario a good idea," "why is a 2D mario a good idea," and "why is a 2D mario a good idea?" have already been answered. Or you can read a review of the game if you really want the answer.

But you don't want an answer, you just want everyone on this thread to know how much smarter than them you are. Hey, congratulations on being allowed entry into bars!

Mazty:

...So, how am I killing the industry as you claimed before?

Hmm, maybe I was too hard on you before, but no. The way you look on the gaming industry, that old games are bad no matter what etc etc that's bad.

What would you then define as a gamer?

Read through spoonybardol post carefully.

So have a lot of my friends.

I don't give a rat's ass about them. They don't represent the whole gaming world (Looks like you think they are)

SMB Wii is just showing how a company can remake a game from over a decade ago, with next to no improvements and it'll still sell buy the truck load.

No improvements have been made? Well, pure bullshit, and you know it. Not going to write more here.

...how are old games fun when they generally look like sh*t, handle like sh*t, and if the could, they would smell of sh*t? Please find me an old game which is really good IN COMPARISON to modern games.

*sigh* Well you mean in comparison graphicwise? I'd say it depends on, from a critic view then yes, from a personal view WELL that depends on what types of graphics you like. Some like 3D gfx more than 2D others like 2D more. I like 'em both.

Like I've mentioned several times, good games are still good games no matter what.
Find you an old game? That's a piece of cake of course, there are tons of old games that are good. I can give you Super Mario Land, there you go. I'd play Super Mario Land over most new games that are released at this date, not Uncharted 2 perhaps, but definitely over Halo 3. If games would smell then Super Mario Land would smell like a plate of strawberries.

And again, there are tons of good games.

And with your logic you are saying that games have not evolved/improved since their first creation

I never said that.

if old good games are still good...You sir are full of sh*t. Take something like Driver. Was a great game, now it looks like crap, sounds like it, and handles like it. Why? Because the industry has improved since the days of the PS1.

Same with movies. Old movies are still good movies, even without special effects.

I've never played Driver, so I can't say anything about that game. Doubt you're right about that though.

spoonybardol:

Mazty:
What would you then define as a gamer? I define it as someone who has played a vast majority of games and can objectively

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Amen bro. Amen.

funguy2121:

Mazty:

I'm sorry, but your immature way of misspelling Mazty is pathetic, and just shows the kind of mentality I'm having to deal with.
You specifically said another 2D Mario "is a great idea". I asked why, to which you then have not stopped screaming "TROLL".
Seriously, grow up as you seem to have the inability to discuss the topic at hand in any mature sense.

But I already said I'm not going to repeat mysel...dammit, troll, ya got me!

One more time, oh sage-like one: scroll up and read. It's in there. Your long list of questions such as "why is a 2D mario a good idea," "why is a 2D mario a good idea," and "why is a 2D mario a good idea?" have already been answered. Or you can read a review of the game if you really want the answer.

But you don't want an answer, you just want everyone on this thread to know how much smarter than them you are. Hey, congratulations on being allowed entry into bars!

See you still refuse to answer my questions. Just go away, your an embarrassment you yourself.

Ienjoygames:

Mazty:

...So, how am I killing the industry as you claimed before?

Hmm, maybe I was too hard on you before, but no. The way you look on the gaming industry, that old games are bad no matter what etc etc that's bad.

What would you then define as a gamer?

Read through spoonybardol post carefully.

So have a lot of my friends.

I don't give a rat's ass about them. They don't represent the whole gaming world (Looks like you think they are)

SMB Wii is just showing how a company can remake a game from over a decade ago, with next to no improvements and it'll still sell buy the truck load.

No improvements have been made? Well, pure bullshit, and you know it. Not going to write more here.

...how are old games fun when they generally look like sh*t, handle like sh*t, and if the could, they would smell of sh*t? Please find me an old game which is really good IN COMPARISON to modern games.

*sigh* Well you mean in comparison graphicwise? I'd say it depends on, from a critic view then yes, from a personal view WELL that depends on what types of graphics you like. Some like 3D gfx more than 2D others like 2D more. I like 'em both.

Like I've mentioned several times, good games are still good games no matter what.
Find you an old game? That's a piece of cake of course, there are tons of old games that are good. I can give you Super Mario Land, there you go. I'd play Super Mario Land over most new games that are released at this date, not Uncharted 2 perhaps, but definitely over Halo 3. If games would smell then Super Mario Land would smell like a plate of strawberries.

And again, there are tons of good games.

And with your logic you are saying that games have not evolved/improved since their first creation

I never said that.

if old good games are still good...You sir are full of sh*t. Take something like Driver. Was a great game, now it looks like crap, sounds like it, and handles like it. Why? Because the industry has improved since the days of the PS1.

Same with movies. Old movies are still good movies, even without special effects.

I've never played Driver, so I can't say anything about that game. Doubt you're right about that though.

spoonybardol:

Mazty:
What would you then define as a gamer? I define it as someone who has played a vast majority of games and can objectively

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Amen bro. Amen.

Spoony doesn't actually say what a gamer is. Yes games should be fun, but I remain by the idea that a reason why people enjoy games like SMB Wii etc is because they haven't played many other games. If you gave a 1980's metro to someone who has no idea about cars, and has never driven one before, they would think it's great. To someone who has driven many cars, they'd say it's dire. I think this is the case for many "gamers" out there.
The improvements are tiny. Slightly changed physics? Wow, mindblast. Basically, is there 15 years worth of changes on screen? I don't think there is.
Good games from the past are not good games anymore. Sorry, that thought is nothing but absurd. They were good for the time, but as I said, look at games like Driver, GT1 etc. They now look abysmal and handle like crap. If good games from the past are still good, then why did consoles become more powerful etc if they could just churn out the same games if the standard of what constitutes good has never risen?
Old movies are still good movies? Oh yeah because the standard of acting in Ben Hur is stunning....Again that's nonsense. From about the 80's onwards, the standards of films has been improving. Not to say all the old ones are bad, but games and films are very different, as one is based on people (Script, acting etc) and another is based on technology.
And go, play Driver. Go play MGS1, go play any old game and try and tell me they handle & look just fine compared to modern day games.
I don't get your worship for Spoony. His reply is ambiguous at best. A "bridging" game? What the hell? "Countless reports"? It reads like War-time propaganda. Yes the point of gaming for fun is right, but again, I remain in the idea that games like this are killing the industry and people are worship it because they haven't played many modern games whatsoever and that seems to be the case.

Yahtzee (Most likely spelled wrong. But what the hell?) I considered buying L4D2 and I heard about the new zombies, but never really bother to go on Youtube to see what new ones had comes. So I think this review couldīve been better if you explained what new zombies that had been added.
Just a suggestion: Make a small one minute movie where you talk about the new zombies.

Bowser would because he breathes fire.

Mazty:

Spoony doesn't actually say what a gamer is.

Read his post again then.

Yes games should be fun, but I remain by the idea that a reason why people enjoy games like SMB Wii etc is because they haven't played many other games.

I see, keep that idea and people will laugh at you.
I've played tons of games and love NSMB Wii, and still enjoy other titles like Megaman I, Megaman II or Megaman III, Super Mario Land, Final Fantasy, Tetris, Legend of Zelda: A link to the past, Diablo, Starcraft (I can continue with that list but I won't, point proven). Or modern titles like Uncharted 2, Little Big Planet, God of War, Fallout 3, Gears of War, Halo and so on and so on. What do these games have in common? Simple, they're good games.

If you gave a 1980's metro to someone who has no idea about cars, and has never driven one before, they would think it's great. To someone who has driven many cars, they'd say it's dire.

Please don't put cars into this discussion.
Some ppl like older cars, others don't.

The improvements are tiny. Slightly changed physics? Wow, mindblast. Basically, is there 15 years worth of changes on screen? I don't think there is.

I think there is.

Good games from the past are not good games anymore. Sorry, that thought is nothing but absurd. They were good for the time, but as I said, look at games like Driver, GT1 etc. They now look abysmal and handle like crap.

Oh my god, what is it you don't understand?
Good games are still good. They don't, mysteriously, turn into bad games just because the time goes on.

If good games from the past are still good, then why did consoles become more powerful etc if they could just churn out the same games if the standard of what constitutes good has never risen?

Because of greater technology. But that doesn't change the fact that good old games are still good (I don't know how many times I have to mention that). If games are fun, they're good. That's why many people still play old games and, at the same time, play new modern titles.

Old movies are still good movies? Oh yeah because the standard of acting in Ben Hur is stunning....Again that's nonsense. From about the 80's onwards, the standards of films has been improving. Not to say all the old ones are bad, but games and films are very different, as one is based on people (Script, acting etc) and another is based on technology.

But still, movies are entertaining, the same as games are made for entertaining.
A good movie is enjoyable to watch, and a good/fun game is enjoyable to play.
All though it differ from person to person, an old movie is still good but clearly made for a different audience.

And go, play Driver. Go play MGS1, go play any old game and try and tell me they handle & look just fine compared to modern day games.

No, I will not go and play Driver. I even had Tetris on my calculator, still fun. No HDTV there.
I'm playing The Legend of Zelda: Ocrina of Time at the moment, and enjoy every second of it.
Why the heck should I compare them? You still don't get it do you? Why should I compare them? I already told you that I'd play Super Mario World a hundred times over, for example, Halo 3. Why? Because I enjoy Super Mario World more than Halo 3. Jesus Christ. And yes, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time looks god awful in comparison to Uncharted 2, but it's still a fun game. I enjoy both Uncharted 2 and Zelda OOT.

I don't get your worship for Spoony.

"Worship" might be a little bit overkill, but he made a good, worth of reading post.

His reply is ambiguous at best. A "bridging" game? What the hell? "Countless reports"? It reads like War-time propaganda.

Why? Take that with him, not me.

I remain in the idea that games like this are killing the industry and people are worship it because they haven't played many modern games whatsoever and that seems to be the case.

Oh please...
Seems to be the case? How can you know that? No one can.
Don't overuse the word "worship" please. Just because people find a game fun and enjoyable to play doesn't mean they worship it.

Ienjoygames:

Mazty:

Spoony doesn't actually say what a gamer is.

Read his post again then.

Yes games should be fun, but I remain by the idea that a reason why people enjoy games like SMB Wii etc is because they haven't played many other games.

I see, keep that idea and people will laugh at you.
I've played tons of games and love NSMB Wii, and still enjoy other titles like Megaman I, Megaman II or Megaman III, Super Mario Land, Final Fantasy, Tetris, Legend of Zelda: A link to the past, Diablo, Starcraft (I can continue with that list but I won't, point proven). Or modern titles like Uncharted 2, Little Big Planet, God of War, Fallout 3, Gears of War, Halo and so on and so on. What do these games have in common? Simple, they're good games.

If you gave a 1980's metro to someone who has no idea about cars, and has never driven one before, they would think it's great. To someone who has driven many cars, they'd say it's dire.

Please don't put cars into this discussion.
Some ppl like older cars, others don't.

The improvements are tiny. Slightly changed physics? Wow, mindblast. Basically, is there 15 years worth of changes on screen? I don't think there is.

I think there is.

Good games from the past are not good games anymore. Sorry, that thought is nothing but absurd. They were good for the time, but as I said, look at games like Driver, GT1 etc. They now look abysmal and handle like crap.

Oh my god, what is it you don't understand?
Good games are still good. They don't, mysteriously, turn into bad games just because the time goes on.

If good games from the past are still good, then why did consoles become more powerful etc if they could just churn out the same games if the standard of what constitutes good has never risen?

Because of greater technology. But that doesn't change the fact that good old games are still good (I don't know how many times I have to mention that). If games are fun, they're good. That's why many people still play old games and, at the same time, play new modern titles.

Old movies are still good movies? Oh yeah because the standard of acting in Ben Hur is stunning....Again that's nonsense. From about the 80's onwards, the standards of films has been improving. Not to say all the old ones are bad, but games and films are very different, as one is based on people (Script, acting etc) and another is based on technology.

But still, movies are entertaining, the same as games are made for entertaining.
A good movie is enjoyable to watch, and a good/fun game is enjoyable to play.
All though it differ from person to person, an old movie is still good but clearly made for a different audience.

And go, play Driver. Go play MGS1, go play any old game and try and tell me they handle & look just fine compared to modern day games.

No, I will not go and play Driver. I even had Tetris on my calculator, still fun. No HDTV there.
I'm playing The Legend of Zelda: Ocrina of Time at the moment, and enjoy every second of it.
Why the heck should I compare them? You still don't get it do you? Why should I compare them? I already told you that I'd play Super Mario World a hundred times over, for example, Halo 3. Why? Because I enjoy Super Mario World more than Halo 3. Jesus Christ. And yes, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time looks god awful in comparison to Uncharted 2, but it's still a fun game. I enjoy both Uncharted 2 and Zelda OOT.

I don't get your worship for Spoony.

"Worship" might be a little bit overkill, but he made a good, worth of reading post.

His reply is ambiguous at best. A "bridging" game? What the hell? "Countless reports"? It reads like War-time propaganda.

Why? Take that with him, not me.

I remain in the idea that games like this are killing the industry and people are worship it because they haven't played many modern games whatsoever and that seems to be the case.

Oh please...
Seems to be the case? How can you know that? No one can.
Don't overuse the word "worship" please. Just because people find a game fun and enjoyable to play doesn't mean they worship it.

Right, look at it like this: If old games are still good, why did Sony, Nintendo etc make better consoles, when the money is made on the software not hardware?
Why do companies make improvements when it'd be cheaper not to if games from the 1980's are still good?
Diablo is inferior to Diablo 2 as the graphics are better in D2, the levels are more original, more classes, more balanced, better online etc (Technically speaking)
And no, watch Top Gear. THose guys have all realised good cars were good then, nowadays they aren't good. Clearly you don't understand the concept that what makes something good develops over time. You blatantly aren't comparing old games to modern games, which is ridiculous.
And no, Spoony doesn't say what a gamer is.
And how are there 15 years worth of changes? Going to elaborate?
And yes good games do turn into bad games, because if say Starcraft had never been released and was a week from now, people would say it looks like shit, it's unoriginal, the AI is appalling etc Same with GT2, a popular game back in the day, but now people would say it looks awful, handles even worse, and is utterly forgettable. If you refuse to see this then you are nothing more than arrogant as your logic simply doesn't work.
Can you please state how a game which was made in the 90's which looks bad, has limited gameplay and technically is dire, is still good? Saying "They just are" isn't an argument, and is no better than "Because I say so". Don't mix nostalgia with what constitutes a good game.

To all of those ignorant people that disagree with this man's genius at critizing and reviewing games to give everybody a better perception on what they are like before you waste all your hard earned money, then frankly you can fuck off (excuse my french) because almost everything he has ever stated in these videos is nothing short of the complete truth. Left 4 Dead 2 should have been an expansion to the first game because both games are so mind blowingly short that it would only make sense and the second game only changed well...very little so there is not big deal about it being a stand alone title because NOTHING CHANGED get over yourself you crazed Valve fanboys, and Nintendo is an evil, greedy corporation which should burn in the deepest bowels of hell for bleeding out every single title they have ever released...we do not need 400 games about an Italian plumber with a knack for jumping on things and so on...listen to his words, I trust Yahtzee to tell me if a game is worth the money, and the rest of you are insane and need to whack yourself's across the head with a blunt object several times until blood rushes from your ears.

Mazty:

Right, look at it like this: If old games are still good, why did Sony, Nintendo etc make better consoles, when the money is made on the software not hardware?
Why do companies make improvements when it'd be cheaper not to if games from the 1980's are still good?

You are horribly massacring a very simple concept. Technology progresses, so what? Of course to make money you have to change with the times. It doesn't matter if your product is good or bad. This is just business sense.

You are acting like there is a magical switch in your head that makes you enjoy games less.

Diablo is inferior to Diablo 2 as the graphics are better in D2, the levels are more original, more classes, more balanced, better online etc (Technically speaking)

That makes Diablo 2 better on a technical scale.

And no, watch Top Gear. THose guys have all realised good cars were good then, nowadays they aren't good. Clearly you don't understand the concept that what makes something good develops over time.

1) You are comparing video games to cars. Last time I checked, video games were not killing machines that needed constant updating due to safety regulations.

2) Explain to me why people work on restoring muscle cars, or drive cars from the 1800s.

And yes good games do turn into bad games, because if say Starcraft had never been released and was a week from now, people would say it looks like shit, it's unoriginal, the AI is appalling etc Same with GT2, a popular game back in the day, but now people would say it looks awful, handles even worse, and is utterly forgettable.

Completely forgettable? Must be why they have so many sequels.

And once again, you're basing quality on the technical aspects.

Can you please state how a game which was made in the 90's which looks bad, has limited gameplay and technically is dire

Nobody is saying that graphics of old games aren't outdated. So you can stop acting like people are. Also, if you accuse people of saying things like "because it is", then you need to stop using explanations like "technically is dire".

Wait, why can't Yahtzee import L4D2 like he does other games banned in Australia?

And was that a spider he showed in food or something? I can't get myself to watch to video again to check what I saw.

Low Key:
I like Left 4 Dead 2, although I have admittingly never played the original. Are they really that much alike?

Remove the melee weapons and a small handful of other weapons(the variations in the shotgun, rifle, pistol, and automatic) and you have the same game, just not in broad daylight like L4D2.

EN1GM4:
To all of those ignorant people that disagree with this man's genius at critizing and reviewing games to give everybody a better perception on what they are like before you waste all your hard earned money, then frankly you can fuck off (excuse my french) because almost everything he has ever stated in these videos is nothing short of the complete truth. Left 4 Dead 2 should have been an expansion to the first game because both games are so mind blowingly short that it would only make sense and the second game only changed well...very little so there is not big deal about it being a stand alone title because NOTHING CHANGED get over yourself you crazed Valve fanboys, and Nintendo is an evil, greedy corporation which should burn in the deepest bowels of hell for bleeding out every single title they have ever released...we do not need 400 games about an Italian plumber with a knack for jumping on things and so on...listen to his words, I trust Yahtzee to tell me if a game is worth the money, and the rest of you are insane and need to whack yourself's across the head with a blunt object several times until blood rushes from your ears.

He's a satirical critic, he doesn't mean most of what he says and his personality isn't really as it appears to be in his reviews, which you'd know if you watched any interviews he's appeared in. But I guess it's just hard for you to see a Yahtzee's true colours, you're too busy conentrating on sucking his dick. I suggest you spit it out and learn a bit about what you're talking about before you make a fool of yourself here.
P.S. There can never be too many games about Italian Plumbers who have a knack for jumping on things.

Was a pretty awesome review as is to be expected :D, not surprised that l4d 2 is similar to the original really, but yeah getting it in like a week :D and getting the english version not the australian one thankfully XD

Bryy:

snip.

I think it can simply be summed up by if a PS1 game was never released, say GT2, Driver, MGS1, and were a week from now, no one would buy them, or the sales would be significantly lower than they were from being released back during the peak of the PS1. Why is that?
As for old cars, its for nostalgia, or the looks of the car. It won't be for performance or how the car handles.

Whatever Mazty, if you don't like old games, well fine. That's you. I don't have time to argue around here anymore.
Super Mario Land is 2D eyecandy for me, same as for other people. You might think it looks like crap, I don't.

Megaman 9 was a huge success, and Megman 10 will be released in a few month. It seems like people still enjoy good "old" games after all.

EN1GM4:
To all of those ignorant people that disagree with this man's genius at critizing and reviewing games to give everybody a better perception on what they are like before you waste all your hard earned money, then frankly you can fuck off (excuse my french) because almost everything he has ever stated in these videos is nothing short of the complete truth. Left 4 Dead 2 should have been an expansion to the first game because both games are so mind blowingly short that it would only make sense and the second game only changed well...very little so there is not big deal about it being a stand alone title because NOTHING CHANGED get over yourself you crazed Valve fanboys, and Nintendo is an evil, greedy corporation which should burn in the deepest bowels of hell for bleeding out every single title they have ever released...we do not need 400 games about an Italian plumber with a knack for jumping on things and so on...listen to his words, I trust Yahtzee to tell me if a game is worth the money, and the rest of you are insane and need to whack yourself's across the head with a blunt object several times until blood rushes from your ears.

I think Yatzee has himself commented on people who agree with every single thing he says being as dim as the people who DISagree with everything he says. Such people who, as you have described above, look to another to do all their thinking for them, certainly have no business telling other people to "fuck off," or that they are insane or moronic because they disagree.

Yatzee's style is certainly refreshing in a field overflowing with fanboy critics mindlessly loyal to certain companies and viciously opposed, needlessly, to others. He is, however, an entertainer. I look at him in a way similar to how I look at Stephen Colbert. Mr. Croshaw doesn't believe everything that Yatzee says, but there's certainly some of his personality in the character.

Anyone who holds up every single statement a celebrity utters as pure gospel is himself a lunatic and an idiot.

Mazty:
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Mazzteiieye, purely because every single person in the world can disagree with a person and that person can still be right, I humbly suggest that you may be right about the new Mario. And of course, as you have stated and is still on the last couple of pages even though you will deny it, if you are correct then every one of us who disagrees is mentally retarded. Except that to be right or wrong on the subject, Mario would have to be objectively good or bad. Your tastes, which from your words hinge more on how many fans or critics agree with you depending on the convenience, are certainly not refined enough to consider yourself a renaissance man.

Super Mario Galaxy was objectively awesome. Grand Theft Auto 4 was objectively mediocre and derivative. New Super Mario Oh Forget It is a nostalgic trip back in time; it's not trying to forge any spankin' new territory. See the difference? If I like RPGs, and you like beating Kevin Smith off, then of course I'll prefer a Square Enix title to pleasuring a shark-jumping filmmaker, whereas you'll be offering him fellatio and now it will be legal since you're finally an adult.

funguy2121:

Mazzteiieye

Why do you insist on spelling Mazty wrong everytime?

The first time it was an honest mistake; then you tried to call me out for it whilst simultaneously trying to pull a prepubescent ploy to make me repeat myself. Call it lampooning your poor English (...and people are worship it because...) and mis/over-use of words you imagine are bigger than they actually are(dire, abysmal). Again, this does not look good on a person who's telling everyone they're dumb and their beliefs are absurd.

Why don't you tell us which Michael Bay film is superior in every way to 2001? On what basis is the shot-for-shot remake of Psycho by the guy who directed the Hanson videos superior to the original, or the new, nearly identical Omen superior to the classic? Is Liev Shrieber really that much better an actor than Gregory Peck? Would you then suggest that Haze and Too Human were better games than Goldeneye and Street Fighter II? ON WHAT MERITS? I'd love to hear it.

Placing a divider somewhere in the 80's, I'd say your argument that old = shit, new = your wife is taking lapdance lessons actually has some legs, but only in the realm of TV. I'd certainly rather watch Community than MASH any day.

Oh, and does that also mean that 3 Day's Grace beats the shit out of Jimi Hendrix, and Adam Lambert kicks Jello Biafra's ass?

Your arguments are not based upon merit but rather on shiny newness. New packaging, new box art, and a name change. Halo's not very bloody original, but I don't recall hearing you rant about how it's Doom/Goldeneye/Etc. all over again. Because Bungie snookered you.

The very movies you threw at me when I took you to task for claiming to be the champion of original and fresh ideas were Clerks and Chasing Amy. I don't know if you're aware, but those movies are over a decade old. There seems to be some disparity in your arguments.

Mazty:
whoopse, double post. Apologies.

Mazty:

Bryy:

snip.

I think it can simply be summed up by if a PS1 game was never released, say GT2, Driver, MGS1, and were a week from now, no one would buy them, or the sales would be significantly lower than they were from being released back during the peak of the PS1. Why is that?
As for old cars, its for nostalgia, or the looks of the car. It won't be for performance or how the car handles.

That's because of the vast inferiority of the PSOne compared to its competition. I still wince when I see video of Resident Evil 1 or Metal Gear Solid or the early Tomb Raider games. Jaggies everywhere, and not even in the distance. Make Laura Croft take 3 steps and she looks like she's being electrocuted or the molecules in her legs are coming apart. It's my humble opinion that the overwhelming majority of PSOne games were overhyped or shovelwear and the flood of brand new gamers purchasing this as their first system didn't know that there were better games out there. So why doesn't this work when applied to Nintendo titles like New Super Mario Brothers, you ask? Because their hasn't been a 15 year hunger for a new Panzer Dragoon. Playstation 1 games aren't crap because they're old, they're crap because they're crap (there are exceptions, of course). It's clearly your opinion that Mario is crap but the folks who disagree with you outnumber you. They don't see some fancy bump-mapping technique and ignore gameplay because of it.

funguy2121:

Mazty:

Bryy:

snip.

I think it can simply be summed up by if a PS1 game was never released, say GT2, Driver, MGS1, and were a week from now, no one would buy them, or the sales would be significantly lower than they were from being released back during the peak of the PS1. Why is that?
As for old cars, its for nostalgia, or the looks of the car. It won't be for performance or how the car handles.

That's because of the vast inferiority of the PSOne compared to its competition. I still wince when I see video of Resident Evil 1 or Metal Gear Solid or the early Tomb Raider games. Jaggies everywhere, and not even in the distance. Make Laura Croft take 3 steps and she looks like she's being electrocuted or the molecules in her legs are coming apart. It's my humble opinion that the overwhelming majority of PSOne games were overhyped or shovelwear and the flood of brand new gamers purchasing this as their first system didn't know that there were better games out there. So why doesn't this work when applied to Nintendo titles like New Super Mario Brothers, you ask? Because their hasn't been a 15 year hunger for a new Panzer Dragoon. Playstation 1 games aren't crap because they're old, they're crap because they're crap (there are exceptions, of course). It's clearly your opinion that Mario is crap but the folks who disagree with you outnumber you. They don't see some fancy bump-mapping technique and ignore gameplay because of it.

So PS1 games are mostly crap because....? I think you are overlooking the fact that many of them were original ideas, making them "good" because they hadn't been done before, meaning there weren't better games out there.
Though when something is repeated again & again, whilst not keeping up with technical innovations, surely that should make it "bad" I'd have thought, as peoples expectations should have moved with the times. Then again, I find games fun because I like to be challenged. Maybe some people are just entertained by bright colours and childish sounds, I'm just not one of them.

Ienjoygames:
Whatever Mazty, if you don't like old games, well fine. That's you. I don't have time to argue around here anymore.
Super Mario Land is 2D eyecandy for me, same as for other people. You might think it looks like crap, I don't.

Megaman 9 was a huge success, and Megman 10 will be released in a few month. It seems like people still enjoy good "old" games after all.

I enjoy a good challenge without being hindered by archaic controls and shoddy graphics. Plus, great response....."Whatevar, I still likez them", not that you totally avoided answering my question...

You want to take all the power ups and one in front to get all the deaths :P

As usual, a great and amusing performance Ben.

And so Yahtzee craps all over Nintendo all over again. I had to see this coming as much as I didn't want to.

Mazty:

So PS1 games are mostly crap because....? I think you are overlooking the fact that many of them were original ideas, making them "good" because they hadn't been done before, meaning there weren't better games out there.
Though when something is repeated again & again, whilst not keeping up with technical innovations, surely that should make it "bad" I'd have thought, as peoples expectations should have moved with the times. Then again, I find games fun because I like to be challenged. Maybe some people are just entertained by bright colours and childish sounds, I'm just not one of them.

Masty, I've figured it out. Ya know that old Norm McDonald bit about the three robbers who...oh, right, you were barely speaking English then. Okay, well the punchline of the joke was "They really like irony!" And I think that's what we're seeing here with you. Once again, not only did you not address anything I said, but you accused me of the same thing that I, and others on this thread, have already pointed out about you: you're all about the technical, the flashy, the gaudy. Even though that don't mean shit when the gameplay isn't worth a damn. But what do I know, I'm just a --oo! Lookie!

image
Psstew! Pssshtew! Zing-zam, whooooooo!

Edit: And you still haven't backed up your argument that Transformers 2 was a superior film to Full Metal Jacket and Adam Lambert beats the crap out of Pink Floyd any day...

Mazty:

Ienjoygames:
Whatever Mazty, if you don't like old games, well fine. That's you. I don't have time to argue around here anymore.
Super Mario Land is 2D eyecandy for me, same as for other people. You might think it looks like crap, I don't.

Megaman 9 was a huge success, and Megman 10 will be released in a few month. It seems like people still enjoy good "old" games after all.

I enjoy a good challenge without being hindered by archaic controls and shoddy graphics. Plus, great response....."Whatevar, I still likez them", not that you totally avoided answering my question...

I've already answered your questions a several times, and it seems like you still don't get it. And I still don't get why you got such a hard time on old games. What's your problem? If you're having problem with "archaic" controls, well then you're just playing the wrong games. Your loss. Oh, and if you want great controls then you should really try out the Megaman series, with great control and lovely 8-bit graphics. As I said before, people still want more of those games, I'm sure Megaman 10 will be a huge success.

Oh and yes, I "likez" them very much. After all, they're good games, even if they're old.

Mazty:

Bryy:

snip.

I think it can simply be summed up by if a PS1 game was never released, say GT2, Driver, MGS1, and were a week from now, no one would buy them, or the sales would be significantly lower than they were from being released back during the peak of the PS1. Why is that?
As for old cars, its for nostalgia, or the looks of the car. It won't be for performance or how the car handles.

I figured I'd throw in a little spiel here too. They did in fact release games in such a manner, such as Ocarina of Time: Master Quest for the Gamecube. Even though the controls and graphics remained the same, the dungeons were remastered to present new and difficult challenges, which compelled myself, and many others I'm sure, to give this new challenge a try. Were they to release Majora's Mask: Master Quest tomorrow, it'd be on my christmas list in a heartbeat.

funguy2121:

Masty, I've figured it out. Ya know that old Norm McDonald bit about the three robbers who...oh, right, you were barely speaking English then. Okay, well the punchline of the joke was "They really like irony!" And I think that's what we're seeing here with you. Once again, not only did you not address anything I said, but you accused me of the same thing that I, and others on this thread, have already pointed out about you: you're all about the technical, the flashy, the gaudy. Even though that don't mean shit when the gameplay isn't worth a damn. But what do I know, I'm just a --oo! Lookie!

image
Psstew! Pssshtew! Zing-zam, whooooooo!

Edit: And you still haven't backed up your argument that Transformers 2 was a superior film to Full Metal Jacket and Adam Lambert beats the crap out of Pink Floyd any day...

1)Films are different as it is a completely different medium to games.
2)Images and BS? Go troll somewhere else please, or grow up, and present an argument which doesn't consist of personal attacks and avoiding what I've asked you - Why are PS1 games mostly crap when they established a lot of genres? Why is a 2D Mario such a great idea when I'd say the game does nothing new, and does not represent a next gen game, nor 15 years worth of development, but instead just nostalgia and people loving it because they want to, rather than on its merits.

Ienjoygames:

Mazty:

Ienjoygames:
Whatever Mazty, if you don't like old games, well fine. That's you. I don't have time to argue around here anymore.
Super Mario Land is 2D eyecandy for me, same as for other people. You might think it looks like crap, I don't.

Megaman 9 was a huge success, and Megman 10 will be released in a few month. It seems like people still enjoy good "old" games after all.

I enjoy a good challenge without being hindered by archaic controls and shoddy graphics. Plus, great response....."Whatevar, I still likez them", not that you totally avoided answering my question...

I've already answered your questions a several times, and it seems like you still don't get it. And I still don't get why you got such a hard time on old games. What's your problem? If you're having problem with "archaic" controls, well then you're just playing the wrong games. Your loss. Oh, and if you want great controls then you should really try out the Megaman series, with great control and lovely 8-bit graphics. As I said before, people still want more of those games, I'm sure Megaman 10 will be a huge success.

Oh and yes, I "likez" them very much. After all, they're good games, even if they're old.

See, you are ignoring the idea that as games and the industry develops, so should people's expectation. If this wasn't true, then every game should be getting 10/10, as MW2 is better than Doom etc.

funguy2121:
If I like RPGs, and you like beating Kevin Smith off, then of course I'll prefer a Square Enix title to pleasuring a shark-jumping filmmaker, whereas you'll be offering him fellatio and now it will be legal since you're finally an adult.

I really cannot stop laughing at this.

I slightly disagree about the whole ps1 argument...I think its less of a graphical thing and more the fact that nazty is making an argument that involves a logical fallacy.
You cant assume that a game released NOW for a console from FIFTEEN years ago, for the very simple reason that 1. The bloody console isnt for sale any more, and 2. No-one held on to the thing anyways!

That would be like arguing that half life two was the worst game ever made because it didn't sell any copies if it was released in 2004 for apple II!

That being said, I do think that if final fantasy had never been released, or any of the subsequent sequels, it would still do pretty well in todays market, IF people bought games for the gameplay, rather than OOH PRETTY PRETTY, which they don't.

Bilbo536:

Mazty:

Bryy:

snip.

I think it can simply be summed up by if a PS1 game was never released, say GT2, Driver, MGS1, and were a week from now, no one would buy them, or the sales would be significantly lower than they were from being released back during the peak of the PS1. Why is that?
As for old cars, its for nostalgia, or the looks of the car. It won't be for performance or how the car handles.

I figured I'd throw in a little spiel here too. They did in fact release games in such a manner, such as Ocarina of Time: Master Quest for the Gamecube. Even though the controls and graphics remained the same, the dungeons were remastered to present new and difficult challenges, which compelled myself, and many others I'm sure, to give this new challenge a try. Were they to release Majora's Mask: Master Quest tomorrow, it'd be on my christmas list in a heartbeat.

Ah though as you say, it'd be a new challenge which is very true. SMB wii with similar levels to the SNES version I don't find challenging, hence why I think its a pointless game, and why I find it hard to understand how people can enjoy a game with no challenge.

Mazty:

1)Films are different as it is a completely different medium to games.
2)Images and BS? Go troll somewhere else please, or grow up, and present an argument which doesn't consist of personal attacks and avoiding what I've asked you - Why are PS1 games mostly crap when they established a lot of genres? Why is a 2D Mario such a great idea when I'd say the game does nothing new, and does not represent a next gen game, nor 15 years worth of development, but instead just nostalgia and people loving it because they want to, rather than on its merits.

WOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSHHHHHHH!

...Did you hear that? You've probably been hearing that alot these last couple pages.

Go back and reread everything that has been said, slowly, not taking immediate offense to every little thing that seems to disagree with you before rushing to the bottom of the page and angrily typing "Personal attacks and blah blah troll, ignore what people are saying while blathering on with contradictory arguments", think about whats been said, figure out what your REALLY trying to argue, and come back.

Maybe then we can have a *big kid* discussion.

Mazty:

Ienjoygames:

Mazty:

Ienjoygames:
Whatever Mazty, if you don't like old games, well fine. That's you. I don't have time to argue around here anymore.
Super Mario Land is 2D eyecandy for me, same as for other people. You might think it looks like crap, I don't.

Megaman 9 was a huge success, and Megman 10 will be released in a few month. It seems like people still enjoy good "old" games after all.

I enjoy a good challenge without being hindered by archaic controls and shoddy graphics. Plus, great response....."Whatevar, I still likez them", not that you totally avoided answering my question...

I've already answered your questions a several times, and it seems like you still don't get it. And I still don't get why you got such a hard time on old games. What's your problem? If you're having problem with "archaic" controls, well then you're just playing the wrong games. Your loss. Oh, and if you want great controls then you should really try out the Megaman series, with great control and lovely 8-bit graphics. As I said before, people still want more of those games, I'm sure Megaman 10 will be a huge success.

Oh and yes, I "likez" them very much. After all, they're good games, even if they're old.

See, you are ignoring the idea that as games and the industry develops, so should people's expectation. If this wasn't true, then every game should be getting 10/10, as MW2 is better than Doom etc.

No I don't ignore it, I enjoy it as much as everyone else does. But still, that doesn't mean you give the middlefinger to old games.

Mazty:

Ah though as you say, it'd be a new challenge which is very true. SMB wii with similar levels to the SNES version I don't find challenging, hence why I think its a pointless game, and why I find it hard to understand how people can enjoy a game with no challenge.

Its not challenging because the point of the game, oddly enough, is NOT to fling yourself off the edges and come floating back down out of the sky in a bubble, no matter how counter-intuitive that may seem.

But really, the real reason its not challenging, is because you're not challenging yourself. Up the difficulty, play with some friends (if you dont find that challanging and wish you had a real nunchuk to hit your friends over the head with, refer to my previous paragraph.)

That being said...I cant take games that take themselves seriously on the wii seriously. The only game i'll play on the wii is MCR or SBB, and even then only while intoxicated in a social setting.

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