Zero Punctuation: Left 4 Dead 2 & New Super Mario Bros Wii

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So what is left for Mario&Co?!? Retirement?! Because they are all out of ideas for new games // I agree with Yahtzee, even a bad game that tries new things is a step in the right direction because sooner or later someone will try what they did but get it right // An increase of graphics does Not a good game make (yes I know that sentence sounds weird, its an old quote) Make old games look prettier with a few extra things to play with has no place in todays market // Take Batman: Arkham Asylum, yes the game is pretty but that is not why I played/love it so much // It was new, entertaining // Remember when games where entertaining!? Cos I dont, I have to go all the back to when the 360 first came out to find one that have half way fun (Dead Rising) and even further back to find one that was fun, both in game play and story (Stubbs the Zombie)

And there is another thing, Story // Where is the story in Mario anymore? No way he still cares about looking for that princess // Its been 20years Im sure he is over her by now and moved on // And granted L4D2, the story is linked to the game play, ie: its the zombie Apy, run like mad there be Zombies! Which for FPS is not to bad, a big step up from almost every other FPS out there ie: its World War 'pick a number', shoot at everything that is comin towards you

Anyway. . . where was I goin with this. . . oh yes, so They are making a Batman: Arkham Asylum 2, which even if they dont change a single thing within the whole game will still be the best game of 2010(or when ever it comes out) and that my friends is the sign of a really good game when it comes to both Story, design and game play

-M

Take a poll. You will find that very few people believe Megaman 2 has a superior sequel; in fact you will find people who enjoy megaman games beyond the snes to be extremely scarce. While I disagree, you'll also find a huge number of people who don't think Super Metroid will ever be dethroned by a sequel (I love the prime games).

There is no need to compare older games to newer games. They're fun. Someone can hate on them all they want and it won't make them any less fun. The gamer doesn't have to convince himself he's enjoying the experience more than he actually is because, unlike modern games, the older ones generally don't cost $60-70.

midnightalone:
So what is left for Mario&Co?!? Retirement?! Because they are all out of ideas for new games // I agree with Yahtzee, even a bad game that tries new things is a step in the right direction because sooner or later someone will try what they did but get it right // An increase of graphics does Not a good game make (yes I know that sentence sounds weird, its an old quote) Make old games look prettier with a few extra things to play with has no place in todays market // Take Batman: Arkham Asylum, yes the game is pretty but that is not why I played/love it so much // It was new, entertaining // Remember when games where entertaining!? Cos I dont, I have to go all the back to when the 360 first came out to find one that have half way fun (Dead Rising) and even further back to find one that was fun, both in game play and story (Stubbs the Zombie)

And there is another thing, Story // Where is the story in Mario anymore? No way he still cares about looking for that princess // Its been 20years Im sure he is over her by now and moved on // And granted L4D2, the story is linked to the game play, ie: its the zombie Apy, run like mad there be Zombies! Which for FPS is not to bad, a big step up from almost every other FPS out there ie: its World War 'pick a number', shoot at everything that is comin towards you

Anyway. . . where was I goin with this. . . oh yes, so They are making a Batman: Arkham Asylum 2, which even if they dont change a single thing within the whole game will still be the best game of 2010(or when ever it comes out) and that my friends is the sign of a really good game when it comes to both Story, design and game play

-M

I dunno, I think Mario could theoretically blow us away after Galaxy 2. Human imagination is infinite after all. And are you suggesting that a game requires innovation to be good? Then you are a fool. While Mario hasn't flat-out redefined how his jumping and running around work, the games are still enjoyable to play due to the quality of these classic controls.

And story is pretty much unnecessary in a videogame. We don't need strong characters and plot to engage us in a game: all that's truly required is good gameplay and strong level design, which Mario games have in spades.

And you completely contradict yourself by explaining how if Arkham 2 is nothing more than a copy of the first then it will inevitably be a good game. What about that whole spiel about innovation?! You know, "An increase in graphics does not a good game make"?

UNCLE PHIL!
LOL

Good review. I feel much the same about both games. L4D2 is more of the same, but still good, and Mario is more of the same only majorly fucked up and stupid. Glad you tore it a new one. "New" SMB Wii has some of the WORST multiplayer I've EVER played. Unless of course the object of the game is to get absolutely nowhere and completely fuck over every other player. I also definitely feel like a gimp if I have to play as a Toad. I feel like there are some other, better members of the Mario universe they could have had as playable characters.

midnightalone:
Because they are all out of ideas for new games // I agree with Yahtzee, even a bad game that tries new things is a step in the right direction...Make old games look prettier with a few extra things to play with has no place in todays market

midnightalone:
They are making a Batman: Arkham Asylum 2, which even if they dont change a single thing within the whole game will still be the best game of 2010(or when ever it comes out) and that my friends is the sign of a really good game

You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

i found L4D to not be my cup of tea, while i LOVE blasting zombies mindlessly (and this game gives me PLENTY of that :D) i found some of the things like how how i slowed down whenever i got hit, to be very aggrivating, and when i found it was continued in L4D2 i wasn't happy about it, but i did like the addition of melee weapons (machete the most) and it was a lot more enjoyable visually with the addition of more gore, but overall, i got annoyed with the game (because of my HORRIBLE shooter skills) after getting through one of the parts. but overall, i think i'll still play it a bit here and there in the future and it will still be enjoyable. As for new super mario brothers wii? i liked the original mario games and mario 64 (some of my favorite childhood moments were the ones spent playing super mario world 2 for gameboy) but i think this is just meant for the children, not for people like me (the 2nd generation of mario lovers) or people like my parents (the 1st generation)

gutterpunk:

*snip*

funguy2121:

The improvements are not in any way minor. New Super Mario Brothers is an upgrade in the way that Super Mario World was an upgrade. If I were wrong and you were right, it wouldn't be the top selling game well into next year, which it will. People are hungry for more classic 2D Mario. If it's not your thing then guess what? You do not have to play it.

Actually, I haven't played a Mario game ever since the SNES.
Maybe it's the fact that Super Mario Galaxy 2 seems like a bland title for some grand sequel, considering what they made up in the past. Then again, how original was Super Mario Bros. 3 in it's titling?
Maybe it just seems so because they churn out Mario/Zelda/Metroid games a bit too often, and the repertoire gets a bit thin.
I'm not saying don't put out new-old games, I'm saying invent something new that has that ancient Nintendo spark .

Now, I'm going to go against most of the argument here for a sec...

I was a huge fan of the New Super Mario Bros games. I loved the one on DS, and I love the one on Wii.

It's a fresh perspective on the stale 2D gameplay, in my opinion. Sure, I could play Super Mario World, but it's dated.

The New SMB franchise has more to do, simply put. It takes the game from the DS (which most wii owners probably don't have) and brings a great experience to the Wii. I prefer the single player over the multiplayer (mainly because my friends suck at Mario and constantly get in the way...) and it brings in elements from all the past Mario games. Arcade Mario, Super Mario 3, World 1 and 2 and 64.

I like the addition of the Ice Flower and the Penguin suit, I would have liked the other suits in there from SMB3 but at least it's new.

If you're not a Mario fan, then of course this game won't be for you. But if you enjoyed the past titles, then this brings a fun and challenging game with plenty of nostalgia.

And it's nice in the sense that the Wii remote motion sensor doesn't feel tacked on. It's fluid gameplay, if you actually put the time into playing it.

laserwulf:

BGH122:
To be honest, playing the Australian version of Left4Dead2 is like having sex without the orgasm: Sure it's technically the same activity but the entire reason it was fun has been removed.

That quote, with your avatar, just made my week.

Thank you, I'm not usually witty so that glib jest came as a surprise to me. It may take me some time to recover from the excitement.

Retardinator:

gutterpunk:

*snip*

funguy2121:

The improvements are not in any way minor. New Super Mario Brothers is an upgrade in the way that Super Mario World was an upgrade. If I were wrong and you were right, it wouldn't be the top selling game well into next year, which it will. People are hungry for more classic 2D Mario. If it's not your thing then guess what? You do not have to play it.

Actually, I haven't played a Mario game ever since the SNES.
Maybe it's the fact that Super Mario Galaxy 2 seems like a bland title for some grand sequel, considering what they made up in the past. Then again, how original was Super Mario Bros. 3 in it's titling?
Maybe it just seems so because they churn out Mario/Zelda/Metroid games a bit too often, and the repertoire gets a bit thin.
I'm not saying don't put out new-old games, I'm saying invent something new that has that ancient Nintendo spark .

Welcome back to the fray. Considering your last statement, I'm in awe of the irony. You do know that it's been since the SNES release ('92? 'Cos that'd be 17 years) that we've had a 2D Mario platformer. I'd agree that Microsoft, Square, EA (oh god EA), Bungie and Nintendo do too much retreading. But, as I've already stated, this is a return to form the likes of which we haven't seen in 17 years. That's nearly old enough to legally have sex with. And it's not for everybody, but it's certainly a new experience. I don't expect Galaxy 2 to be the revelation Galaxy was, but it'll certainly be fun. Galaxy was wonderful. If you do some research, you'll find that the director of the new Zelda is very much occupied with the notion of subverting Zelda's form.

funguy2121:

Welcome back to the fray. Considering your last statement, I'm in awe of the irony. You do know that it's been since the SNES release ('92? 'Cos that'd be 17 years) that we've had a 2D Mario platformer. I'd agree that Microsoft, Square, EA (oh god EA), Bungie and Nintendo do too much retreading. But, as I've already stated, this is a return to form the likes of which we haven't seen in 17 years. That's nearly old enough to legally have sex with. And it's not for everybody, but it's certainly a new experience. I don't expect Galaxy 2 to be the revelation Galaxy was, but it'll certainly be fun. Galaxy was wonderful. If you do some research, you'll find that the director of the new Zelda is very much occupied with the notion of subverting Zelda's form.

Ever since then, I pretty much stuck with the PS. Gamecube was out of my price range (Yo-ho-ho and a burnt disc!) and now that the Wii is out, I'm not into consoles anymore. Tinkering with Microsoft's feces(=Operating Systems) feels more challenging and comes across as a more lasting solution for next-gen titles, rather than buying a new console every thursday.
That put aside, I did play a bit of Mario 64 on an emulator.
It's been nearly 30 years since Mario was invented. 23 for Zelda and Metroid.
Makes you think how long they'll keep going...
There's still gotta be some innovation when they successfully pull it off for that long. It's just that there's constant effort being put into the same 3 franchises.
Imagine this in some other industry - there'd be some new and great movies out there, something constantly fresh, but it would still be black and white and have piano music in the background. Or if Charlie Chaplin was alive today, wouldn't you get sick of watching him all the time?

Retardinator:

funguy2121:

Welcome back to the fray. Considering your last statement, I'm in awe of the irony. You do know that it's been since the SNES release ('92? 'Cos that'd be 17 years) that we've had a 2D Mario platformer. I'd agree that Microsoft, Square, EA (oh god EA), Bungie and Nintendo do too much retreading. But, as I've already stated, this is a return to form the likes of which we haven't seen in 17 years. That's nearly old enough to legally have sex with. And it's not for everybody, but it's certainly a new experience. I don't expect Galaxy 2 to be the revelation Galaxy was, but it'll certainly be fun. Galaxy was wonderful. If you do some research, you'll find that the director of the new Zelda is very much occupied with the notion of subverting Zelda's form.

Ever since then, I pretty much stuck with the PS. Gamecube was out of my price range (Yo-ho-ho and a burnt disc!) and now that the Wii is out, I'm not into consoles anymore. Tinkering with Microsoft's feces(=Operating Systems) feels more challenging and comes across as a more lasting solution for next-gen titles, rather than buying a new console every thursday.
That put aside, I did play a bit of Mario 64 on an emulator.
It's been nearly 30 years since Mario was invented. 23 for Zelda and Metroid.
Makes you think how long they'll keep going...
There's still gotta be some innovation when they successfully pull it off for that long. It's just that there's constant effort being put into the same 3 franchises.
Imagine this in some other industry - there'd be some new and great movies out there, something constantly fresh, but it would still be black and white and have piano music in the background. Or if Charlie Chaplin was alive today, wouldn't you get sick of watching him all the time?

People keep making this argument. Of course if Charlie Chaplin were still making movies they still wouldn't be black and white. That's why Mario 64 gave birth to 3D, why Galaxies has gameplay based upon gravitational fields. The retread thing IS done in every sector of art and entertainment (remake or reboot, anyone?). In some cases, I'm in favor of it (if the sheen has come off the franchise and the proper person is at the Helm, as in The Dark Knight and the upcoming Sherlock Holmes) but overwhelmingly, I'm against it (A Very Brady ANYTHING, The Beverly Capitalists).

There are other franchises that they've continued to support, although in some cases less so in recent years, to the response of many a raised eyebrow. . . Mario Kart, Star Fox, F-Zero, Pikmin. The two major problems I have with Nintendo this generation are 1) an overall lack of fresh ideas coming from their own court and 2) the worst 3rd party support I've seen since Virtual Boy. I can't think of a good 3rd party game outside of No More Heroes, Battalion Wars 2 and a small handful of FPS's (none of which has local support, fuck you very much). I'm not saying it's perfect, but it actually suits me just fine as I have a rather busy schedule. They do need to bring back local support though, the bastards.

DrDeath3191:
And story is pretty much unnecessary in a videogame. We don't need strong characters and plot to engage us in a game: all that's truly required is good gameplay and strong level design, which Mario games have in spades.

Well good level design and gameplay might be good enough for you but for me I dont watch, read or play anything that does have a good story to it otherwise I, personally, wont enjoy it as much // But even saying that I have still have watched films that where nothing but pure CGI

jalee:

midnightalone:
Because they are all out of ideas for new games // I agree with Yahtzee, even a bad game that tries new things is a step in the right direction...Make old games look prettier with a few extra things to play with has no place in todays market

midnightalone:
They are making a Batman: Arkham Asylum 2, which even if they dont change a single thing within the whole game will still be the best game of 2010(or when ever it comes out) and that my friends is the sign of a really good game

You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

Im contradicting myself when it comes to Arkham 2 purely because I feel that the first game had no flaws when it came to game play, story or design (apart from the easy ass end boss fight)

-M

midnightalone:

Im contradicting myself when it comes to Arkham 2 purely because I feel that the first game had no flaws when it came to game play, story or design (apart from the easy ass end boss fight)

-M

I'm just not sure that admitting to contradicting yourself excuses what you said. You said they have no place in todays market, but suddenly a game you happen to like has a sequel and then it DOES have a place in todays market. Is it a coincidence that it's a game you like AND it'll do well in todays market? Probably not. You're probably just valuing your own opinion a tad too much.

Anyway, it's a moot point. New Mario Wii sold like fucking hotcakes, so obviously it does in fact have a place in "todays market".

I really enjoyed the passion in this one.

If Australia gets an R rated the world of gaming will be peacefull once again then we wont have to ban, unban, ban then change then realese it into a world of people who were looking forward to it then got dissapointed by it and returned a could of been a great game.....when can those old men chnage there minds and some people are trying to fight this and make a R rated classification....oh well but still a really great review.....

To fight against this old men people go to: www.gamers4croydon.com

It's true though, Modern Bawfare 2 is pretty much the same as the original Modern Warfare besides better graphics, new weapons, slight gameplay alterations, which is the exact same as L4D compared to L4D2 yet nobody has even mentioned that. I think Valve are seen as industry leaders; everything they touch turns to gold, probably why people have such a problem with the step they've taken into becoming just another generic gaming company, should be expecting L4D3 - Hunters' revenge on Easter.

ForgottenPr0digy:
I wouldn't buy either games but if someone would be nice of send me a free copy of l4d2 that would be nice. Because the first game was fun but that enjoyment only lasted about a week and a half.

SAAAAAAMMME for me it got so boring and i loved it for a night then it got tiresome as the week went on.... I traded in the first game within a week and brought back my Cod 4
I have played the new game but i think it is soo boring once you have had a go with all the new weapons.

May i suggest that if you are looking for a great zombie game try 'Killing Floor' its simple and fun, although its only on Pc at the moment. I would love it to be released on console! :D

Mason X:

ForgottenPr0digy:
I wouldn't buy either games but if someone would be nice of send me a free copy of l4d2 that would be nice. Because the first game was fun but that enjoyment only lasted about a week and a half.

SAAAAAAMMME for me it got so boring and i loved it for a night then it got tiresome as the week went on.... I traded in the first game within a week and brought back my Cod 4
I have played the new game but i think it is soo boring once you have had a go with all the new weapons.

May i suggest that if you are looking for a great zombie game try 'Killing Floor' its simple and fun, although its only on Pc at the moment. I would love it to be released on console! :D

I haven't played the second left 4 dead game. This seems a lot better with the new modes and weapons.

I hope you guys enjoy beating up Mazty. As for me, I'm out. This has gotten way too stupid for my tastes.

called everything to a T once again. Very clever and very good

i yawned... the whole L4D2 was as obvious as a Harry Hill joke played in slow motion and with a diagram of exactly how it's going to be played out.

Amusingly he mocked a mario game, i mean i don't know about you, but i always thought of the wii console as geared and marketed towards the hard core adult gamers who live with their mum. Hang on..... yeah...

i mean sure it's nostalgia for some of us, but mostly because we can now share it within the current medium with OUR KIDS.

again poor yat.. a shadow of his former comedy self, he just mocks without thinking.... it's like watching Margaret Thatcher trying to hit on a 22 year old in a club.

It doesn't work, get out of that basement and get a proper job... get married and have some kids where you can share the actual wonderful basic gamesplay which made us adults all such good players. If you buy a wii, you know what you're getting... and if it's new gameplay and ideas, well not only did you pick the wrong console. You picked the wrong decade, yet to see anything but inde games (braid/world of goo) try anything new... saying Mario doesn't break new ground then praising L4D2 is just amusing.

Actually praising most of the games released this year as breaking new ground is amusing.. Dragons Age? that was just Mass Effect in a fantasy skin with gay male sex thrown instead of lesbian alien sex :P Or did yatzee think it was a cool thing to say without actually engaging that brain ;)

Lets face it games were actually a lot harder in the old days (the ever spawning enemies in a 2D plane). Now games are what 5-6 hours turning brain off and hoping the end movie is actually good. Which in the case of Unchartered 2 it was...

MW2 it was not, thank the lords that had multiplayer... you base the game on it's single player by itself and it'd score worse than yatzee with his pants down trying to be british even though he's australian, much the same way Mel Gibson pretends he's australian when he was born and raised in NY until he was 8.

My vote's on Bowser, with that spiked shell and fire breathing-ness. What was it? 40 seconds for a burning tank to go down?

I basically wish that L4D would go crawl into a hole...the only reason people play it is cause its the only decent multi players zombie game on console. As a game if you break it down its bad...The HUD is not good, the whole supposed random spawning of the zombies becomes predictable after a few times on that level and i have lost all my friends who were getting xbox for christmas to the black pit of despair that is that game!!! :D

But Valve is God. He can't say such "not so bad" things to Valve.

I am seriously close to being as pissed off about Mario's game repeats as Yahtzee is. But here's my question stimulated by this review. If and when Mario joins Sonic as a plastic toy that you find out of the dumpsters behind McDonalds, then who will the new video game characters be for us to look up to? I mean, it's not like Sony or Microsoft has released that many new or original characters for a new mainstream gaming series, have they?

bjj hero:

Darkflamex:

Because New Super Mario Smash Bro's is FUN and a joy to play.

It's not just game developers getting greedy these days, it's gamers too. What people don't get is that games have pretty much peaked in terms of innovation as EVERYTHING half decent has been covered in the last 20 years.

The only thing that can be original these days is the storyline and that's becoming a rarity as well.

As long as the games graphics don't hurt my eyes, the controls work the way i want them, game play features have some sort of challenge, then i consider that a good buy.

If the game has a well thought out storyline, i consider that a great buy.

It's even a plus when games throw in co-op (which should be becoming the norm in current generation games as far as i'm concerned) another plus is when the game play lasts more than 5 hours which thankfully NSMSB does with 8 worlds to cover.

Yes innovation is great but most innovation these days break games because game developers try too hard, i'm actually glad NSMSB's plays exactly like SMB3 because at least back then games were actually challenging and well thought out.

Then get an emulator and play mario 3. This is a redundant title. Multi-player is not an inovation. Weve been doing multi player platforming since before contra.

Saying all innovations have been made is a cop out. Recently we've had an explosion in fps (horde mode), motion controls (wii, Natal), touch screen (DS), music games (guitar hero, rock band) to name the first few from the top of my head. None of these were around 10 years ago.

I also seriously doubt there is much challenge in Mario Wii as there will be auto save/save points. Any borderline moron with two thumbs and a working inner ear could muscle through it to the end. You have to accept that mainstream titles will never be as hard as they used to be. I've never put that amount of effort in since beating bionic commando on the NES.

Gamers who don't expect improvements and innovation in titles are bad for gaming. If everyone was like that we would still be playing pong.

Game software innovation dumb ass, not hardware.

Music games have been around for years, software wise it's nothing new, one of the earliest incarnations was in 1996 on the PS1, PaRappa the Rapper, i suggest you google it.

The game is not redundant because Mario 3 is no longer pleasing to the eye, Mario Wii is.

I paid 20 for the game and got 2 days of pure gaming gold out of it, along with extra nostalgia of when i was a kid, a bargain.

I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your comments because you are clearly mentally handicapped and wouldn't be able to comprehend my replys.

Darkflamex:

Game software innovation dumb ass, not hardware.

Music games have been around for years, software wise it's nothing new, one of the earliest incarnations was in 1996 on the PS1, PaRappa the Rapper, i suggest you google it.

The game is not redundant because Mario 3 is no longer pleasing to the eye, Mario Wii is.

I paid 20 for the game and got 2 days of pure gaming gold out of it, along with extra nostalgia of when i was a kid, a bargain.

I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your comments because you are clearly mentally handicapped and wouldn't be able to comprehend my replys.

I owned parappa the rapper with the onion karate teacher still being a gaming highlight for me. I might skip googling it, if it is al the same with you. It may be a music game but that does not make it the same as guitar hero. You could not rock out with your friends on your toy instruments at home until GH (there was Samba de Domingo but only 4 people played that).

Horde mode that is all the rage now is hardly a hardware innovation, Demon soul is taking a different slant on online multiplayer, the newest Silent Hill gives you a mini psych test and tailors the game around it, there have been some daring innovations on Wii like the wii fit.

I'm sure there are more, I'm not going to research it, I have better things to do. Point is that innovation is far from dead.

I'm glad you enjoyed Mario, all power to you. It still could have been a cheap XBLA style title, not a full release. I'd also argue that mario 3 is still a good game, even without HD graphics. I'd stick with the emulator and spend my cash else where.

You may note that I got through my post without childish insults, you should try it. Trolling is not big and it is not cleaver.

similar.squirrel:
OT: Surely the new Mario could not have been so abysmal. It's an old formula, yes, but it's still a good one. Anybody here play it?

I have been enjoying it a lot. While it is indeed SMB3 with multiplayer and updated graphics that was enough to hook me in good. The multiplayer blends better than one would expect and it is fun, despite obviously a lack of ingenuity on Nintendo's part.

I would recommend it for anyone who can have good spirited fun with others, even when, yes, you are having a blast but are not making much progress.

But then again, you are talking to probably the one person in this universe who is still happy he chose Wii over PS3/360 and is still playing it everyday (with a surprising lack of Nintendo titles). Perhaps I am not to be trusted.

oh shoot, have I been saying I started gaming with Super Mario Bros?
god no, it was Super Mario World hahaha whoops big difference
(tho to be fair I never owned the NES it was my cousins' console)

Yes please give valve more shit about HL3. Get them to give some feedback on the progress.

I agree with the whole "please give Valve some more shit about HL3" thing lol...I think I will have to replay Episode 1 and 2 just to remember the general plot advancements again, its been that long hehe.

The whole line about "as the disbelieving friend said to the inventor of the feces-powered helicopter, 'This shit won't fly" '...that was fucking hilarious.

Sometimes I wonder if Yahtzee bashes these games just to get a rise out of people.

I'm not sure I understand his logic here, though. New Super Mario Bros. does nothing new... except for four-player co-op (a series first, and correct me if I'm mistaken, but a side-scrolling first), new power-ups and the implementation of a program that plays through a level for n00bs?

He seems to have gripes with the fact that they all have exactly the same abilities, but that's bizarre as well.

All in all, I get the impression that Yahtzee decided he wouldn't like the game from the trailers, played it for five minutes, and called it a day.

"Why play New Super Mario Bros. Wii when you can play Super Mario Bros. 3?"

Yeah, great logic! Similarly, why play Duke Nukem 3D when you have Wolfenstein and Doom? Why play Planescape Torment when you have the Fallout, Baldur's Gate, and Icewind Dale titles to wade through? Why play any game somewhat similar to any other older game, when those very older games still exist in some form or another? Everything should be 100% innovation, all the time, otherwise, what reason do you have to exist?

Sorry to inform you Yahtzee fanboys, but no, New Super Mario Bros. Wii is NOT the exact same game as Super Mario Bros. 3. It is similar in that it is a side-scrolling Mario-based platformer, but is essentially a completely new game. Why does it exist? Because the Mario games have a tendency to be, well, fun to play, and another game in this vein is more than welcome so as long as it's designed well and not just a straight port-over from other titles (like the GBA Mario games were, which I really have nothing against anyway), and from what I've heard, this one is one of the better titles in the series in quite a while. If you want to complain about this being billed as a full-priced "killer app" title instead of a budget release or WiiWare title, well, those complaints have a bit more merit I think. But, it appears none of you are even Mario fans in the first place, so why does it matter to you anyway? Actually, the one thing I legitimately WAS concerned about was that it was just a port of the DS title but with four-player co-op and some motion controls tacked on (wasn't that four-player Zelda game for the GBA and the GC the same deal?), but apparently all the levels and worlds are brand new, and is actually supposed to be far more challenging than the (relatively) easy DS title was.

I think I would respect Yahtzee more if he had no pretenses for being a "game critic" and that this series was intended solely for exaggerated comedic purposes, but from what I gather in interviews, that is unfortunately not the case. I suppose this is due in no small part to the sorry state of game journalism today, most of which is in major company pockets, but I don't think this is exactly the soundest alternative. I do wish him the best of luck in a career of game design though, not necessarily so I can say "oh yeah let's see you do better lol" but because, based on my experiences with the Chzo titles and 1213, he's a far more interesting and talented game designer than a critic, plus I get a sense of love and dedication to his game creations that I don't here, which seems most of the time cynically forced and abrasive designed just to shut up his constantly demanding fanbase and to get his next paycheck.

Excellent use of a Granfors Bruks Hunter's Ax at 2:27. +1, Sir.

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