Zero Punctuation: Saboteur

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Nice sausage usage.

Stoic Person Eater:
I am currently enjoying this game, but I can agree with everything Yahtzee said.

Same here.

Too much nazis in newer war games... Thats why I stick with good old fantasy war games, like WoW or War, etc.

I say old chap:
You could make a better game when the outcome isn't know quite so clearly. Oh sure the Nazis lose, but the question is, does the main character and the known NPCs survive the war? Also, welcome to the aftermath, it may not be quite as rosy as you hoped. Sequel?

The trick there is that the characters have to be really compelling to make up for the lack of suspense in the overall plot. And as much as I wish it weren't so, not everyone writes characters that are that good.

Chaotic Neutral makes some points I have to agree with. Shooters are getting bland and repetitive.

And the most annoying part is that they don't have to be, there are several routes they could take that haven't been done to death yet. But the cliche is safe, so developers will keep beating a dead horse until enough people are mocking them for it rather than buying the product. There'll always be some audience for it though, the yearly numbered sports games and Zelda's update every other year proves that much.

RealLifev2.0.09:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Days_in_Fallujah

Its not WWI and controversy surrounding it has lost Konami as a publisher but it sounds like it is/was supposed to be a psychological warfare game.

harhol:

Necrovision

Those both look fairly interesting, and I'll check them out further. Thanks for the recs.

...I'll still like a straightup WWI psychological horror shooter though. I guess I can dream.

xxhazyshadowsxx:

Megametalwolf :
what you said about the irish is very offensive man, you show your british colours with this you fucking english cunt

Funny how you mentioned "Offensive," yet proceed to call him a "fucking english cunt."

Just thought that was quite humorous.

OT: This was an improvement from last week's Demon's Souls review, and I thoroughly enjoyed this one quite a bit.

I think those who are getting a little offended by the Irish comments need to grow some thicker skin, and/or acknowledge who it's coming from.

Can't take a joke? Stay out of the comedy club. Simple as that.

Bother your Arse to try and read some of the Posts in reply to that AFTER the first page, and you'll see it isn't QUITE as simple as that.

chiefohara:

xxhazyshadowsxx:

Megametalwolf :
what you said about the irish is very offensive man, you show your british colours with this you fucking english cunt

Funny how you mentioned "Offensive," yet proceed to call him a "fucking english cunt."

Just thought that was quite humorous.

OT: This was an improvement from last week's Demon's Souls review, and I thoroughly enjoyed this one quite a bit.

I think those who are getting a little offended by the Irish comments need to grow some thicker skin, and/or acknowledge who it's coming from.

Can't take a joke? Stay out of the comedy club. Simple as that.

Bother your Arse to try and read some of the Posts in reply to that AFTER the first page, and you'll see it isn't QUITE as simple as that.

Yes, actually, it really is.

He gets offended because he felt he was being made fun of, being Irish.
He chooses to make fun of Yahtzee, and calls him an "English Cunt."

Hypocrisy ensues.

I don't care if his reasons for being offended were because the Irish were discriminated against by the English, or whatever other excuse there is.
You get offended? Don't go call somebody a name and potentially offend them.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Eh, I'm still gonna rent it.

Chaotic Neutral, a game designer friend of mine had the idea of a Napoleonic psychological horror. You have single shot weapons and are trying to defend a bridge in some awful haunted place in Russia. Put that idea on a game system and do it well and you will have a winner.

Perhaps loading becomes more difficult and takes longer depending on how cold you are and frightened. Increase the tension indeed. All sorts of terrors coming out of the snow, the river, the nearby woods. It would be excellent.

i have just recently discovered zero punctuation and let me say you are a single shiny star in a sea of shit. your reviews are honest and your humor is enjoyable. i will continue to be a loyal watcher and reader of yours.

I remember a question a while ago among the internets about "why do Americans love the Irish?", and one Irish person was going on about how she had a couple nice American friends, and found the American interest in Ireland cute, but then said:

"I don't want to anger anyone, but Americans don't have a culture, the only real Americans are the Indians"

And I had to ask myself.. why DO we like the Irish again?

xxhazyshadowsxx:

chiefohara:

xxhazyshadowsxx:

Megametalwolf :
what you said about the irish is very offensive man, you show your british colours with this you fucking english cunt

Funny how you mentioned "Offensive," yet proceed to call him a "fucking english cunt."

Just thought that was quite humorous.

OT: This was an improvement from last week's Demon's Souls review, and I thoroughly enjoyed this one quite a bit.

I think those who are getting a little offended by the Irish comments need to grow some thicker skin, and/or acknowledge who it's coming from.

Can't take a joke? Stay out of the comedy club. Simple as that.

Bother your Arse to try and read some of the Posts in reply to that AFTER the first page, and you'll see it isn't QUITE as simple as that.

Yes, actually, it really is.

He gets offended because he felt he was being made fun of, being Irish.
He chooses to make fun of Yahtzee, and calls him an "English Cunt."

Hypocrisy ensues.

I don't care if his reasons for being offended were because the Irish were discriminated against by the English, or whatever other excuse there is.
You get offended? Don't go call somebody a name and potentially offend them.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

You didn't even bother your arse to read THAT post properly. What part of 'AFTER the first page' didn't you understand? I couldn't care less about whether megametawolf is offended or not. My point to you was that there are several reasons posted why Yahtzee's cliche'd jokes are innappropriate and You not caring still doesn't make this form of humour less offensive or more acceptable.

Also you're condemning racism on one hand, and yet defending racist humour on the other... you might want to give yourself a belt with that Hypocrisy stick you are waving at everyone.

Is there a 2009 award ceremony coming up?

chiefohara:

xxhazyshadowsxx:

chiefohara:

xxhazyshadowsxx:

Megametalwolf :
what you said about the irish is very offensive man, you show your british colours with this you fucking english cunt

Funny how you mentioned "Offensive," yet proceed to call him a "fucking english cunt."

Just thought that was quite humorous.

OT: This was an improvement from last week's Demon's Souls review, and I thoroughly enjoyed this one quite a bit.

I think those who are getting a little offended by the Irish comments need to grow some thicker skin, and/or acknowledge who it's coming from.

Can't take a joke? Stay out of the comedy club. Simple as that.

Bother your Arse to try and read some of the Posts in reply to that AFTER the first page, and you'll see it isn't QUITE as simple as that.

Yes, actually, it really is.

He gets offended because he felt he was being made fun of, being Irish.
He chooses to make fun of Yahtzee, and calls him an "English Cunt."

Hypocrisy ensues.

I don't care if his reasons for being offended were because the Irish were discriminated against by the English, or whatever other excuse there is.
You get offended? Don't go call somebody a name and potentially offend them.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

You didn't even bother your arse to read THAT post properly. What part of 'AFTER the first page' didn't you understand? I couldn't care less about whether megametawolf is offended or not. My point to you was that there are several reasons posted why Yahtzee's cliche'd jokes are innappropriate and You not caring still doesn't make this form of humour less offensive or more acceptable.

Also you're condemning racism on one hand, and yet defending racist humour on the other... you might want to give yourself a belt with that Hypocrisy stick you are waving at everyone.

Just thought I'd join this debate in hazyshadows' defence by saying
A)It's not that he didn't agree it was offensive, he just thought it was hypocritic to respond with an equally offensive post
B) There is a big difference between kidding and being serious, so there is nothing hypocritic about condemning racism but not condemning race humour.

chiefohara:

xxhazyshadowsxx:

chiefohara:

xxhazyshadowsxx:

Megametalwolf :
what you said about the irish is very offensive man, you show your british colours with this you fucking english cunt

Funny how you mentioned "Offensive," yet proceed to call him a "fucking english cunt."

Just thought that was quite humorous.

OT: This was an improvement from last week's Demon's Souls review, and I thoroughly enjoyed this one quite a bit.

I think those who are getting a little offended by the Irish comments need to grow some thicker skin, and/or acknowledge who it's coming from.

Can't take a joke? Stay out of the comedy club. Simple as that.

Bother your Arse to try and read some of the Posts in reply to that AFTER the first page, and you'll see it isn't QUITE as simple as that.

Yes, actually, it really is.

He gets offended because he felt he was being made fun of, being Irish.
He chooses to make fun of Yahtzee, and calls him an "English Cunt."

Hypocrisy ensues.

I don't care if his reasons for being offended were because the Irish were discriminated against by the English, or whatever other excuse there is.
You get offended? Don't go call somebody a name and potentially offend them.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

You didn't even bother your arse to read THAT post properly. What part of 'AFTER the first page' didn't you understand? I couldn't care less about whether megametawolf is offended or not. My point to you was that there are several reasons posted why Yahtzee's cliche'd jokes are innappropriate and You not caring still doesn't make this form of humour less offensive or more acceptable.

Also you're condemning racism on one hand, and yet defending racist humour on the other... you might want to give yourself a belt with that Hypocrisy stick you are waving at everyone.

Defending racism?

Nope, actually, I can just take a joke. Since Yahtzee (obviously) intended it to be comedic, I really feel that there is no need to be in a panic. Last I recall, he pokes fun at Americans in his Silent Hill: Homecoming review, and I didn't give a shit then, either.

Y'know why? I can take a fucking joke.

And, just so you know, before you berate me for not reading the proper post, please take the time to specify WHICH post you would like me to read. It can be very helpful in me fully understanding your viewpoint. Seeing as there are, as of right now, 11 pages proceeding after the first.

This review confirmed something that I'd suspected about the Saboteur. Basically, it's the Dante's Inferno of 2009. Sorry, that's a bit of an odd statement, let me elaborate:
Dante's Inferno is a God of War clone (without shame) released in early 2010. What it doesn't seem to grasp is that if I want to play God of War in early 2010, I'll play God of War 3. The same concept applies to the Saboteur. It's a third person stealth based sandbox game released at the tail end of 2009. If I want a third person stealth et.c game in the tail end of 2009, I'll play Assassin's Creed 2.
I suppose points could be given for setting or story, but if you cock-up your gameplay, that'll only carry you so far, especially since Hell and World War II are far from unexplored concepts.

Way to represent Company of Heroes there Yahtzee!! Good man.

Supp:

Megametalwolf :
what you said about the irish is very offensive man, you show your british colours with this you fucking english cunt

Except, Yahtzee is Australian.

Except he isn't.

He's British, residing in Australia.

On topic:

Actually they also stole the "different tones/colours depending on who control that part of town" thing from Prototype... So the only real pretension for originality this game can claim is being absolutely unoriginal. Not a whole lot of games can claim they have no single concept of their own, not even a bad one.

And lastly I might check out if borderlands have nazis.

Lonan:

Well, I can understand a desire to have a free Irish State, wherever it may be. What do you mean by "I'm pretty sure threads like this are the reason my forebears left the old country in the first place" though?

It was meant to be a joke about the bickering and fighting between Angle-land and the Irish.

Nurb:
I remember a question a while ago among the internets about "why do Americans love the Irish?", and one Irish person was going on about how she had a couple nice American friends, and found the American interest in Ireland cute, but then said:

"I don't want to anger anyone, but Americans don't have a culture, the only real Americans are the Indians"

And I had to ask myself.. why DO we like the Irish again?

Because a butt-fuck-ton of us have roots there one way or another, no matter what the Irish from Ireland say.

Lonan:

Fronzel:

Lonan:
As for taking pride in the old country, my suspicion is that it's more then that. In the mid-19th-century the Fenians (Irish living in U.S.) tried to invade Canada. I simply wonder how much that has to do with it. Judging by many Americans on the internet, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a fair bit.

Well, they would have done that because Canada was British, wouldn't they?

C.H.A.L.E.T.:
I find it ironic everybody is ripping on WW2 games.

Give it a few years, and everybody will be whining we have too many modern (Setting) games.

Well, yeah, that's how gluts work. I don't think anyone complained too much when Call of Duty 1 came out.

Yes, Canada was. I have no problem with their attempts to liberate their homeland. I am merely suspecting that some Americans may be in love with the Irish because of their attacking Canada, which the savages of the U.S. have never liked ever since they weren't able to take it in the War of 1812. I'm just speculating. Everything has to have a reason, and in terms outright actions (actions I can find in a history book) before the U.S. was strongly allied with Britain in WWII, (when there probably would have been less support for the bombings of that time period) the Fenian Raids would definitely have qualified as something certain individuals would be very happy about. While this is also speculation, the fact that the American government said it would recognise any results of the Fenian attacks, and supplied the Fenians with weapons; (payed for by the U.S. taxpayer) makes wonder how many Americans were drinking to a successful invasion of those damn Canadians and their British friends by the good old Irish.

Actually the Fenian raids were stopped before they fully got off the ground by the combined efforts of the anglo-sympathetic power structure in America who fed information (names, dates, places) to the Canadian government (again not that the Fenians were exactly subtle about what they were going to do...), also because the U.S. government didn't want it to spark another retarded war with the limeys.

I see two main themes of responses to Croshaw's racism. First, some individuals lashed out somewhat pitifully. But the second tendency is more prevalent, namely reactionary claims that Croshaw's comments about the Irish were subtle and hilarious and that only the unenlightened would take offense, as Croshaw pillories all races.

There's nothing clever or enlightened about "the Irish are breathtakingly stupid." Nor is there any comparison between Croshaw's scurrilous attacks and fixation on the Irish (e.g. Irish Catholics killing Protestants in the Monkey Island review?) and a token insult to the British here and there. It should be no surprise that an Irish or French person would be unsympathetic to this review, being as it is defamatory and not funny.

Some would say that we're all adults so we can damn well say what we want. Well, in that case I'll say that my occasional admiration for the author's work is tempered by the glaring prospect that he's a drooling, photophobic eunuch marauding for nerds and other unemployed scabs like himself writhing across their mothers' basement floors snorting lines of feces while they wait for their testicles to drop so they won't sound like such fucking girls. Croshaw is an abomination of web 2.0 populism, where any quixotic aspergers brat can be the wizard of oz in his own breathtakingly desperate fantasy land.

Yahtzee affects to be the mouthpiece of counter culture, taking aim at the follies of the culture industry, when he is in fact the bloody rectum of the culture industry, weekly spraying shit on his bottom-feeder fans and not affecting much else. To me, it's perfectly in line with my expectations that this diminutive fucktard is also a racist.

matumba:

Lonan:

Fronzel:

Lonan:
As for taking pride in the old country, my suspicion is that it's more then that. In the mid-19th-century the Fenians (Irish living in U.S.) tried to invade Canada. I simply wonder how much that has to do with it. Judging by many Americans on the internet, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a fair bit.

Well, they would have done that because Canada was British, wouldn't they?

C.H.A.L.E.T.:
I find it ironic everybody is ripping on WW2 games.

Give it a few years, and everybody will be whining we have too many modern (Setting) games.

Well, yeah, that's how gluts work. I don't think anyone complained too much when Call of Duty 1 came out.

Yes, Canada was. I have no problem with their attempts to liberate their homeland. I am merely suspecting that some Americans may be in love with the Irish because of their attacking Canada, which the savages of the U.S. have never liked ever since they weren't able to take it in the War of 1812. I'm just speculating. Everything has to have a reason, and in terms outright actions (actions I can find in a history book) before the U.S. was strongly allied with Britain in WWII, (when there probably would have been less support for the bombings of that time period) the Fenian Raids would definitely have qualified as something certain individuals would be very happy about. While this is also speculation, the fact that the American government said it would recognise any results of the Fenian attacks, and supplied the Fenians with weapons; (payed for by the U.S. taxpayer) makes wonder how many Americans were drinking to a successful invasion of those damn Canadians and their British friends by the good old Irish.

Actually the Fenian raids were stopped before they fully got off the ground by the combined efforts of the anglo-sympathetic power structure in America who fed information (names, dates, places) to the Canadian government (again not that the Fenians were exactly subtle about what they were going to do...), also because the U.S. government didn't want it to spark another retarded war with the limeys.

The president at the time, Andrew Johnson, said he would "recognize the accomplished facts" of any Fenian assault.

http://www.doyle.com.au/fenian_raids.htm
http://www.bivouacbooks.com/bbv2i3s6.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenian_raids
http://infao5501.ag5.mpi-sb.mpg.de:8080/topx/archive09?link=/669/935669.xml
http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/19thcentury/articles/fenian.aspx
http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/page/content.detail/id/500055.html?nav=5052
http://www.wartimecollectables.com/zukgingras.htm
http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Fenian-raids
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Fenian-raids
http://www.irelandcalls.com/.599d02bb

He clearly did want another retarded war with the limey's, who happened to be us at the time. Canada had no intention of starting a retarded war with the American government. The American President at the time wanted a war, he just didn't want to have to fight that war. Eventually he ordered the attacks stopped when Great Britain payed the fees levied at it for damage to Union ships during the civil war, but to put him on a pedestal would hardly be fair. I'm not saying you did, but the efforts of the American government were hardly impressive. As for Americans themselves helping giving information on attacks, my understanding is that these people were Canadian and British spies, but I could be mistaken.

Generally, the American government and people were pissed off at the British and thought they would take it out on Canada.

I see the successful national-stereotype troll is, again, successful. Or maybe not completely successful, where's all the rage from French people?

Gift.

I'm going to make no pretence that I read any of the other 300+ comments. I only have one question.. are the nuns as depicted in this video?

Okay 2. Since given the irish and the inclusion of the word nuns several times, couldnt Yahtzee have employed a nice Father Jack impression?

Lonan:
KNOWLEDGE!

It was kinda like the bay of pigs, the president would have supported it had it occurred successfully, but afterwords he cracked down and started making arrests. But hey it was stopped and America had miscalculated Canadian loyalties once again.

Now, I am well aware that a massive number of the viewers of this episode were highly amused. Me myself being one of them but me being Irish I also want to inform you about the incorrect facts in this episode, like the fact about guiness. Not all Irish people like guiness, just the normal ones and there is one absolutely true fact about Irish towns and that is that they all have at least one town drunk and they all specialize in a different drink. My town drunk likes Magners, the one in the town up the road likes Jack Daniels. The point I've made in this comment is that......well, the Irish like drink and I've now relized that this was a complete waste of time and I should have kept it short like my friends comment, you can search for it at his profile Team Star Pug.

It's strange that I haven't killed any Nazis in games yet. Mostly I've killed Shadows, demons, and Russians.

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Canadian[/span]Elite" post="6.164344.4305966"]LOL. Some1 hates teh french. And teh British. And teh Asians. And teh Nazis. And teh Germans. And teh Jews. And possibly teh Australians?

And the Canadians. Yahtzee is not racist; he hates most everyone equally.

But we love you, Yahtzee! Of course, fanboys are what Yahtzee hates the most.

Just wanted to say that I've been a big fan of Zero Punctuation for a while now, but just today decided to make an account on Escapist!

While I agree with what Yahtzee said on a few parts, I liked it.

ehehehe
pretty good
definitely LOL'd at the "achievement" joke.
hope to see you around at some kinda con this year

Supp:

Megametalwolf :
what you said about the irish is very offensive man, you show your british colours with this you fucking english cunt

Except, Yahtzee is Australian.

No, he's a british guy living Down Under. That is not an Australian accent

im sure someone watched your review, and a "Nazi Hero" game is now in the works. Thanks you ass hole. more guitar games

As an Irish person currently living in England, I have to say this was one of the funniest reviews I have seen. I'm really surprised at this thread.

xxhazyshadowsxx:

Y'know why? I can take a fucking joke.

Amen.

Paul Mc:
Now, I am well aware that a massive number of the viewers of this episode were highly amused. Me myself being one of them but me being Irish I also want to inform you about the incorrect facts in this episode, like the fact about guiness. Not all Irish people like guiness, just the normal ones and there is one absolutely true fact about Irish towns and that is that they all have at least one town drunk and they all specialize in a different drink. My town drunk likes Magners, the one in the town up the road likes Jack Daniels. The point I've made in this comment is that......well, the Irish like drink and I've now relized that this was a complete waste of time and I should have kept it short like my friends comment, you can search for it at his profile Team Star Pug.

So you try to stop people thinking there is a stereotype about Irish people while confirming it in their minds by a ridiculous statement ok fair enough.

OT:Good video very funny I haven't played the game but from reviews and what other people think looks like I probably won't.

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