Zero Punctuation: Torchlight

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Surprised he didn't mention the fact that death is pretty much a non-event as you can respawn at the start of the stage for a small amount of gold, which you'll have a nearly infinite supply of since you get so much stuff from the enemies you'll never need to actually buy anything.

Torchlight is a decent game, but damn does it have some giant problems. Also the girl is pretty much useless, as are all bow-wielders without some support which you can't get since this is single player only. Hopefully the MMO version coming out will fix that problem.

El_Lazor:
I'm just surprised he reviewed it now considering it came out back in NOVEMBER.

Who gives a damn? Yahtzee reviews stuff his own way :P

OT, good showing again, but I have to admit... I'm finding ZP's jokes and style are becomming a bit stale to me after all this time...

Bit unfair, Dungeon Siege was almost exactly the same. And for 3 bucks, that ice-cream sandwich wouldn't have lasted half the time.

I totally agree on the NPCs though.

+19 Armour of Spiky Death? That's worth 2 Subway points.

This is why I never got a Tesco ClubCard. THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME SORT OF THING!

Seriously, next time you go into a supermarket, work out exactly how much each point is actually worth against how much extra you're having to pay to get them.

Jaranja:

Hiphophippo:
A pleasant surprise this video was.

Thumbs up.

What's really surprising is this is exactly the way I felt while playing the demo.

I get it ya know. He makes very valid points about the game (the genre really) but as someone who fondly remembers playing diablo 1 and 2 when they came out none of these problems concern me.

Oh item identifying, how I've missed it. Takes me back to the first time I played M&M6 and would yell, "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS? IT'S A FRICKIN' STICK! Now sell it for 2 gold."

To be honest, I haven't even heard of Torchlight. Probably because I game on my 360 and do work on my Mac (thus no steamy-Steam :\) Oh well, I still gotta beat DA:O. Some day...

Its a good game for what it is. But for me what it is, is really boring and monotonous after a 20 minutes.

linkages555:
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO REVIEW SILENT HILL SHATTERED MEMORIES !!!!!!!

It's not out until February in Austrailia and Europe, if you read the Extra Punctuation columns you'd know this.

"You try buying a brand new game every week." Then why did you even bring up this bit since it didn't add anything to your argument?

The game had alot of interesting mechanics like enchanting, heirlooming weapons, shared stash and the dog that goes to town and I would have love to see those things implemented in future dungeon crawlers like diablo 3. But like yahtzee said the overpowered spells, repetive enviroments and limited character classes made me quit just before the ending. And why the hell couldn't you redistribute your stats in this game? There is nothing worse than pumping alot of points in a spell that turns out to be bloody useless halfway through the game.

BlueInkAlchemist:
Being a fan of the original Diablo and especially Diablo II, I think I might enjoy this game if I were to pick it up. However, I can see where some of the bits might get tedious. I'm also an MMO player, though, so incredibly boring things that take hours to play are right up my alley.

Jokes, snark, visual humor and rapid pace - this is trademark, quality ZP.

If you liked Diablo you'll enjoy Torchlight. It doesn't have the same level of atmosphere, but the gameplay is nearly identical. Even some of the music is similar, and the identify and town portal scrolls are the same color. Apparently some of the original Diablo devs worked on Torchilight, and it shows.

I've only really like World of Warcraft as far as PC RPGs go...

So I guess I'll be avoiding this one.

Torchlight reminds me very much of the game Fate. I enjoyed watching this!

linkages555:
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO REVIEW SILENT HILL SHATTERED MEMORIES !!!!!!!

I don't think it's out in Australia yet

Spinwhiz:

WestMountain:
Why didnt those first guys get banned for commenting that early?

Patience Grasshopper.

Hee Hee. I know this is completley unrelated, but did anyone ever tell you how funny your avatar is? I dunno, it's the nose poking out, but it makes me giggle. Sorry for the interruption

OT: I loved the Dolphin analogy, though the deaths of many a Guinea Pig distressed me...I wuv my Piggies!

Also, this (plus the evils of Subscription Fees) sums up everything and EVERYTHING I hate about RPGs

geldonyetich:
[So, now having viewed the movie, I'm coming back to edit my message about the sound not working in manner imperceptibly different from some kind of scheming attention starved Internet lamprey sucking on the inside of your monitor.

I assure you, good ladies and gents, this is not the case, and I just wish to not induce a minuscule amount of additional bloat by leaving my old obsolete message here in its stead. In fact, if some admin wants to bump this message back to the end of the thread just to be on the safe side, I wouldn't hold it against them.]

Anywho, pretty good review where the measure of "good" is measured on the hilarity meter. Exploring the infeasibility of the fantasy female hero's protruding stalagmites with the use of bow and arrows is always fertile territory for the lols. Of course, the overriding joke of just how hilarious it is that these silly medieval peasant shopkeepers can't seem to stay away from the maw of hell long enough to avoid making copious amounts of dosh is a definite "funny because it's true" scenario as well.

The only thing that bothers me is that apparently Torchlight was a good game. The thing is, people have been trying to clone Diablo unsuccessfully so many times that when a game comes along and clones it well, they probably deserve a half-hearted pat on the back. Yes, this is basically just dragging Diablo 10 years into the future but, damn it, it's about time somebody did a good job of it.

So the perspective Yahtzee is adapting here is really more along the lines of a gamer encountering the same game for the nth time and wondering why he's being tasked to grind through it. Well, don't wonder to hard, your paycheck should be a pretty obvious answer.

I was going to sum up this review with the phrase "pointless nitpicking". But this poster seems to have done a much nicer job of illustrating that sentiment. Of course, you could describe about 75-80% of Zero Punctuation reviews with the phrase "pointless nitpicking".

RagingScottsman:
Brilliant review. I hate game-play where I'm prone to develop carpel tunnel by the second dungeon.

lol, Same.

Great Review Yahtzee, gave me a chuckle in my otherwise dull day =D

This is the first time a ZP has ever made me more inclined to check a game out and, fiddly controls aside, it looks like the sort of thing I might enjoy. Shame I had no money during the Steam sale though, it's 14.99 now and I'm not sure I can justify it when I've got to eat and such.

Still, I'll throw it on the list for later.

Good review? Naaaaejanah.. Yahtzee seems to have an undying hatred for games that I like.. and many other games. But he seems to hate the games I like more.. or I just notice it more when he (atleast seems like he) hates games I like.. oh well.. might just be my brain going fiddly again.

Funny review? As usual. (More or less, yes.)

This game is a complete rip-off of Diablo, just streamlining a few things and merging them together.
But oh does it work. I'm saddened that there's a a story line as simple as Go here and kill they ass, but the gameplay is solid and the click-click-click fell away to the sweet sounds of monsters being wiped out by my easy setting. Yes I play it on easy and i love the fuck out of it.
I'd like a story based expansion but i somehow doubt it.

Nice review man, very biting.

Aw the titlesong is back... no fun, but yeah I bought it because it was cheap and ppl say it is good, but meh. I wish I had spend my money on an ice cream instead,

It's official, Yahtzee does not like Torchlight, he has no soul.

While most of what he says is just his opinion and therefore neither here nor there (although the fact he didn't find the interface very intuitive amazes me), he actually got one important part of the review drastically, unforgivably wrong - you don't have to click for each attack, you can hold down the mouse button and your character will keep attacking the same enemy until it dies. Even if you're no longer hovering your mouse pointer over it. This is actually one of the most meaningful improvements the game has over Diablo - it's far less of a click-fest in so many ways - a lot of the shopping is also streamlined and uses shift-clicks and ctrl-clicks to automate a lot of the really boring stuff like dragging things over from one inventory to another etc. He's sure getting sloppy, gone are the days of stuff like the Bioshock review where he actually honed in very precisely on what was really wrong with the game. I guess a couple years' worth of deadlines must finally be getting to him. I think he needs a couple of months off.

I'm just wondering why that wasn't a review for Bayonetta. ;)

geldonyetich:
Oh look, I'm trying to be like Yahtzee with tl;dr blathering that could've been summed up in 3 sentences.

Fixed.

*sigh* I find it hard to laugh about something that I don't care for. Oh well, I'll just wait till next week.

Billkwando:
I'm just wondering why that wasn't a review for

geldonyetich:
Oh look, I'm trying to be like Yahtzee with tl;dr blathering that could've been summed up in 3 sentences.

Fixed.
Oh look, I'm trying to be clever by ignoring any relevance of what the previous poster was saying.

Fixed and added to ignore.

Billkwando:
I'm just wondering why that wasn't a review for Bayonetta. ;)

geldonyetich:
Oh look, I'm trying to be like Yahtzee with tl;dr blathering that could've been summed up in 3 sentences.

Fixed.

I don't think Bayonetta is out yet in Australia.

Good vid. I'm annoyed i didn't get this during the steam sale. i was overdrawn at the worst possible time; all the banks were closed and steam were practically giving games away.

Hiphophippo:

Jaranja:

Hiphophippo:
A pleasant surprise this video was.

Thumbs up.

What's really surprising is this is exactly the way I felt while playing the demo.

I get it ya know. He makes very valid points about the game (the genre really) but as someone who fondly remembers playing diablo 1 and 2 when they came out none of these problems concern me.

Well, one thing really ruined it for me. I was so bored, I didn't finish the demo.

Well...that was dissapointing...why the hell he played Torchlight ???

try holding down left click Yahtzee, its called auto attack. You DO NOT have to click every time you want to attack. This even works with alt attack....
Oh and try it on Very Hard with Hardcore enabled if you wanted the challenge.

Aside from that the puns and jokes were funny, but again you reviewed the game like it was bad which is the complete opposite of all the other reviews. Do you actually like the Diablo series?

Jaranja:

Hiphophippo:

Jaranja:

Hiphophippo:
A pleasant surprise this video was.

Thumbs up.

What's really surprising is this is exactly the way I felt while playing the demo.

I get it ya know. He makes very valid points about the game (the genre really) but as someone who fondly remembers playing diablo 1 and 2 when they came out none of these problems concern me.

Well, one thing really ruined it for me. I was so bored, I didn't finish the demo.

It's cool, it's not for everyone. I appreciate the near zen-like mode the game puts you in. Loot, kill, loot, kill, loot, kill, OOH UPGRADE, kill etc.

BonsaiK:
It's official, Yahtzee does not like Torchlight, he has no soul.

While most of what he says is just his opinion and therefore neither here nor there (although the fact he didn't find the interface very intuitive amazes me), he actually got one important part of the review drastically, unforgivably wrong - you don't have to click for each attack, you can hold down the mouse button and your character will keep attacking the same enemy until it dies. Even if you're no longer hovering your mouse pointer over it. This is actually one of the most meaningful improvements the game has over Diablo - it's far less of a click-fest in so many ways. He's sure getting sloppy, gone are the days of stuff like the Bioshock review where he actually honed in very precisely on what was really wrong with the game. I guess a couple years' worth of deadlines must finally be getting to him. I think he needs a couple of months off.

Agreed. I have to say I was left unimpressed by that review, and not just because I'm a Torchlight fan.

Compared to current RPGs (that is Dragon Age: Origins, Neverwinter Nights I suppose, Borderlands, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, Drakensang, Oblivion and the swathe of MMORPGs), Torchlight is a standout title. It's got a low selling price, it's got functional graphics that aren't ridiculous, it's easy enough to understand (although I'd say the itemisation is a bit messy), and it's fun.

I have paid more for games I've played for less than Torchlight. There are no Dungeon Running games that I can think of that are as recent or as successful as Torchlight, at least not since the days of Diablo 2. It's a back-to-basics game (as Yahtzee pointed out) that manages to not suck. It's proof that indie games can do extremely well and that you don't need to stay modern to do well.

I think what he said at the end is right. I also bought it for super cheap on the Steam sale, and for that price it's great. It's a fun, cartoony romp through a dungeon that gets boring after a few hours, but for a little bit it's pretty fun.

It was well worth the price.

Hiphophippo:

Jaranja:

Hiphophippo:

Jaranja:

Hiphophippo:
A pleasant surprise this video was.

Thumbs up.

What's really surprising is this is exactly the way I felt while playing the demo.

I get it ya know. He makes very valid points about the game (the genre really) but as someone who fondly remembers playing diablo 1 and 2 when they came out none of these problems concern me.

Well, one thing really ruined it for me. I was so bored, I didn't finish the demo.

It's cool, it's not for everyone. I appreciate the near zen-like mode the game puts you in. Loot, kill, loot, kill, loot, kill, OOH UPGRADE, kill etc.

That's why I was bored. Anyway, off to write for short stories for me to "hmmmm" at. Then, throw them away.

Great ending on this one!

stok3r:
its been like 3 minutes, how could you have watched it already?

They couldn't have. They're just assholes.

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