Zero Punctuation: Torchlight

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Mr Smile:
This one seemed a lot shorter than usual

This game is a lot shorter than usual.

The game sounds suspiciously like one I had played before called Fate, which lacked character class selection, town built over dungeon, Diablo interface... You just run around killing monsters that are extremely easy and you have a cute little pet that runs back to town to sell things. Occasionally I would find a statue with gems for eyes that were sufficiently valuable that I could retire from adventuring right then and there. However, being that I was an adventurer, retirement never happens. Just more grinding.

Why is it that Yahtzee is the only show without content badges?

You don't have to click for every attack...At least I never had to.

Actually one doesn't have to keep clicking to keep hitting, you could just have held the mousebutton down...

School for dolphin telegraph operators had me rolling on the floor. Fantastic.

signingupforgames:
Why is it that Yahtzee is the only show without content badges?

Because absolutely everybody who is somebody in the games industry (and everybody who is nobody) watches Yahtzee. If he had a content badge, we'd all have it.

Agree with Yahtzee on this one. The game's cool at first, and then you realised that that's all you're getting. Shmeh.

small game = small review :) I actually liked the game. And well yeah, it does get tedious after a while (still haven't finished it), but I think it's actually worth your time (especially for 3 bucks or even 10) if you enjoyed D2.

You can hold the mouse button instead of clicking it a lot to kill enemies.

So... right... gravely goodness for Croshaw? Confused.

For you people who somehow haven't heard of Torchlight, that laser attack he's referring to is called Ember Lance. I'm surprised he didn't like it, but I guess we've never heard him review Diablo 2 now have we? Spoiler alert: this game plays exactly like diablo 2, down to the same music guy and everything.

He raises a good point.
Why does every RPG village seem to be built next to some horrid evil?

Its like they want to be attacked by demons or something...

PxDn Ninja:
The graphics aren't ridiculous? They are a blatant rip from Warcraft (which is ridiculous as well). I'll yield that the game is pretty solid, if not boring after a few hours. Also, a game like this really should have, in my opinion, a decent story (though as this game is basically an updated Diablo, lacking a story is fitting to the design).

I should have clarified that I meant they're not your usual Swathes of "Ultra-Realistic" Brown like most modern games, with their life like graphics. Torchlight's graphics aren't ridiculous in the fact they're functional, they don't need to look life like nor overly cartoony.

And a blatant rip from Warcraft? Oh, God forbid any game ever using cartoony graphics. Torchlight uses exaggerated proportions and less realism than Warcraft, it doesn't make it a "blatant rip" in any way. Chances are it's inspired by Warcraft, don't forget the makers of Torchlight have worked on Diablo and other games.

There is a story to Torchlight, but it's not story heavy and that's something I enjoy about it.

gee another game to click away at but my mouse would need a clicker transplant

anybody see the mouse ball maintenance vid on youtube? because mouse maintenance is a pain

coldalarm:

PxDn Ninja:
The graphics aren't ridiculous? They are a blatant rip from Warcraft (which is ridiculous as well). I'll yield that the game is pretty solid, if not boring after a few hours. Also, a game like this really should have, in my opinion, a decent story (though as this game is basically an updated Diablo, lacking a story is fitting to the design).

I should have clarified that I meant they're not your usual Swathes of "Ultra-Realistic" Brown like most modern games, with their life like graphics. Torchlight's graphics aren't ridiculous in the fact they're functional, they don't need to look life like nor overly cartoony.

And a blatant rip from Warcraft? Oh, God forbid any game ever using cartoony graphics. Torchlight uses exaggerated proportions and less realism than Warcraft, it doesn't make it a "blatant rip" in any way. Chances are it's inspired by Warcraft, don't forget the makers of Torchlight have worked on Diablo and other games.

There is a story to Torchlight, but it's not story heavy and that's something I enjoy about it.

I will agree that they are functional graphics in that you clearly see what is going on, so we can see eye to eye on that. As for the Warcraft comparison, it isn't that it just uses a similar style, it uses the exact same style. One of the biggest complaints I have always had about Warcraft is the graphics are abhorrent. Same thing can be said about this game for me.

Don't assume this means I hate cartoon graphics, I actually really like them. Just some games don't pull it off quite right, and this is one of them. I will say, I don't know what I would change to make it better while keeping the cartoon graphics, but something really is needed to make the game look better (of course, graphics aren't everything, and with good gameplay I could overlook the graphics).

As for the story, when I said lacking I did mean that the story just wasn't much. True, just like Diablo, it does HAVE a story, but the story doesn't really matter. It doesn't have any sort of hook, and the only reason to go into the dungeon is to get more loot, not advance any plot or similar progression marker. I'm fine with games not having in depth stories, but a title like this needs a story. Without it, you simply are fighting mobile treasure chests and collecting gold. That is only fun for an hour or two (or to word it better, it is 4 dollars fun, not $20).

The game does exactly what it was intended to do: be a spiritual successor to Diablo and attract fans of that title. It pulls this off perfectly, as it is simply a watered down and reskined Diablo. If that is what someone is after, then this game truly is perfect for them, however if you want more depth to your game, and more purpose to events then this title isn't the one to get.

I enjoyed torchlight, not a massive amount, but i did. Although i can see why Yahtzee wouldn't like this game, he also doesn't really same like the Arpg type also but i'm not surprised.

I'm shaking my head in amazement at how many people here seem to be unable to grasp the concept behind Zero Punctuation. Every. Single. Video. there are at least a dozen people who have to argue "why didn't you like this game", like it's a direct personal affront to them if he suggests that anyone might not have had the same experience they did. Seriously, go right back to the start of the series on the Escapist, he says it right there in the Bioshock review: "[sic] people don't like me when I'm being nice." These videos would not be at all amusing if he focused on what was good about the subject, just like a tragedy would not be poignant if it had a happy ending. If you find this difficult to bear, then don't watch it, and certainly don't comment on it. Leave it to those of us who have the maturity to laugh at ourselves. Oblivion may have been one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences of my life, but I still laughed when he reviewed it; I wasn't mortally offended that he apparently thought less of it than I did.

Oh, and for those people who insist on pointing out the slight liberties he takes with the truth in the name of comedy, to quote Picasso: "Art is not the truth, it is a lie which enables us to see the truth more clearly."

So I'm only curious... with all the great games that have been coming out lately, why the shit would you review some PC exclusive and apparently piece of crap game that nobody has heard about? Stop being lame.

Shamanic Rhythm:
I'm shaking my head in amazement at how many people here seem to be unable to grasp the concept behind Zero Punctuation. Every. Single. Video. there are at least a dozen people who have to argue "why didn't you like this game", like it's a direct personal affront to them if he suggests that anyone might not have had the same experience they did. Seriously, go right back to the start of the series on the Escapist, he says it right there in the Bioshock review: "[sic] people don't like me when I'm being nice." These videos would not be at all amusing if he focused on what was good about the subject, just like a tragedy would not be poignant if it had a happy ending. If you find this difficult to bear, then don't watch it, and certainly don't comment on it. Leave it to those of us who have the maturity to laugh at ourselves. Oblivion may have been one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences of my life, but I still laughed when he reviewed it; I wasn't mortally offended that he apparently thought less of it than I did.

Oh, and for those people who insist on pointing out the slight liberties he takes with the truth in the name of comedy, to quote Picasso: "Art is not the truth, it is a lie which enables us to see the truth more clearly."

I wish we had a system to promote great posts because you would earn a promotion from me. I was the same about the Brutal Legend review. He ripped it, I loved the game, and I loved his review of it. It is a comedy video and he does it great.

When you love a game and he rips it, enjoy the comedy. When you hate a game and he rips it, enjoy great comedy. :D

I enjoyed Torchlight for the first 4 hours or so but now I've just kinda lost interest in it. It's left sitting on my hard-drive not doing much, and I've been busy playing other, better games. It just feels very samey after a while, there aren't any nice outdoor locations except one small town and the rest of the time is spent running around in dull, dark, grey caverns fighting hordes of monsters over and over again in fairly repetitive battles.

Shamanic Rhythm:
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Well said!

good good, very funny. when is he gonna get to silent hill : shattered memories?? that game SUCKED (by silent hill standards), i can't wait for him to tear it a new one.

Torchlight rocks. My only complaint is that as a ranged class, if you click ever so slightly to the side of a monster, you end up running to that spot. Especially when the monster is a quick one that scurries around, you'll need an AoE attack to nail it, or wait until it resumes a predictable movement path.

Funniest ZP in a goodly while. I completely disagree with nearly everything Yahtzee said, apart from the nonexistant difficulty curve on normal mode. This game + steam sale = merry christmas for spindleweed.

To dthvirus, hold shift while rangespamming

dthvirus:
Torchlight rocks. My only complaint is that as a ranged class, if you click ever so slightly to the side of a monster, you end up running to that spot. Especially when the monster is a quick one that scurries around, you'll need an AoE attack to nail it, or wait until it resumes a predictable movement path.

You can press control, or shift, or something, to stand still while firing.

The game is fun, definitely worth it if you can get it cheap on Steam, it's quite good for a Diablo clone, and also, yes, the game is rather easy, but I enjoyed it, played through it on hard as an alchemist (lol), and hard quite a bit of fun sending hordes of minions after bosses.

Plus, it has modding capabilities, so that just makes it better.

signingupforgames:
Why is it that Yahtzee is the only show without content badges?

It's not the only one, ENN doesn't have badges either (that I know of).

Whoops, I already bought it, and basically every other Diablo/rogue fan on the internet. Try to get here a bit sooner next time Yahtzee.

So... wait, did he like it? I don't think he did.

I tried the demo for Torchlight and loved it! All the mindless fun and mobs is wheat appealed to me though, so I guess its just differing opinions :p

AverageJoe:

dthvirus:
Torchlight rocks. My only complaint is that as a ranged class, if you click ever so slightly to the side of a monster, you end up running to that spot. Especially when the monster is a quick one that scurries around, you'll need an AoE attack to nail it, or wait until it resumes a predictable movement path.

You can press control, or shift, or something, to stand still while firing.

Really? Awesome. Thanks.

Shamanic Rhythm:

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Speaking as a card-carrying Yahtzee fanboy,I happen to think the whole "but saying bad things in what he does" defence is a load of tosh. ZP's entertainment value, in my eyes at least, lies in sharp assessments on foolish or ridiculous elements of a game supported by wonderful, colourful language. If the man is spending too long skewering a minor or irrelevant point* for the sake of negativity, it's like watching a master boxer fight a weeble doll - faintly amusing, but not as impressive or joyous. If his criticism is factually wrong, then what is the point in bringing it to light. And being positive is not necessarily dull, if it represents genuine enthusiasm. Look at the Prototype review for a good example, which single-handedly sold me a game I enjoyed very much.

I agree people should be a little less sensitive about a guy who is honest about a guy who is not even pretending to be anything but rampantly opinionated (thank god "objective judgement" of entertainment is a dodgy idea at best) but pretending Yahtzee never makes mistakes or should give up on conveying his impressions "cuz its funnier" is equally silly.

*Incidentally, I didn't really feel the TL review was unrepresentative. The AC2 was the best/worst example - dissecting superfluous and pointless amounts of cash, a flaw of every game ever made ever, in reviewing a game that was supposedly enjoyable was surely a mis-step.

The whole using a pet to sell stuff back at the village reminds me of the game FATE, also for the computer. Actually, so does the village.

lol@people commenting on the video before they could have possibly even seen it.

Aleate:
Why does every "rpg" nowadays need a dog?

Why is that? Why not an iguana? Iguanas are nice and they eat bugs, which many dungeons have.

El_Lazor:
I'm just surprised he reviewed it now considering it came out back in NOVEMBER.

Well there is also the fact he lives in Australia and has to wait for it to be released there, and/or wait til he gets through other games, and/or is able to take advantage of Steam sales and make his budget look shiny. Still feeling surprised?
I spent my $3 on a taco value meal instead, and after this review I feel better about my investment. I do prefer a bit of a challenge in my games, as well as less the feeling that it wants to give me some wrist or hand disorder.

It's been a while since I found one of these reviews so funny - the game sounds like a pretty good bargain for 3 dollars; anymore than that, however, just seems like a waste.

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