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The Tao of Leveling

Brett Staebell has played enough RPGs to indirectly gain thousands of levels. But when a Japanese monk inquired about his own character progression, he was forced to confront some shaky assumptions on what it means to level up in the Game of Life.

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Wow... That actually stopped and made me think...

Personally, i'd say I'm about level 18. Developed, but still no where near good enough to fight the final boss. I need to grind some more.

*EDIT*

Level ≠ Age. It's more then that.

Duuuuuuuuude... That was some totally epic shit right there.

Id say Im lvl 16-ish

Mortars:
Duuuuuuuuude... That was some totally epic shit right there.

Id say Im lvl 16-ish

What would you say you base that off?

I also have thought what would represent levels in RL. You can't judge people by age,however some would certainly put a lot meaning to how long is one doing one profession.

It all depends on how you measure your own self-worth, and that is subjective to the individual.

What level you are would all depend on what system you are using. In my gaming experience I think the GURPS system would be the best for this.

Also a friend had a zombie acopalypse game where he got his friends to make characters of themselves and the game setting was our home town. It was neat.

I'd say that i'm a level 7.

I can honestly say that not only do I not know my level, I don't want to know it.

That proabably stems from my belief that once you clearly define yourself you tend o limit yourself.

Damn that's a really thought provoking article right there. I am thoroughly intrigued and will probably spend the night thinking of what level I actually am. I could probably break down my minor skills/professions, since that's rather easy to do but overall level is a hard thing to do.

Anoctris:
It all depends on how you measure your own self-worth, and that is subjective to the individual.

Agreed. One mans level 45 may be another mans level 22. Its all subjective to the individual and think that makes it all the better.

It means only you can truly decide where you would fall into the categories, and where you could end up been on there.

Honestly, I dont know if I could ascertain my level, not so quickly anyway. Its poses a really deep question, and, perhaps once I have thought about it more I could offer some kind or rough estimate.

On an additional note...the Cactaur joke cracked me up!

I'm about level 24.

I'm still figuring things out in college, and my class is "Wants to go into radio for a living"-mancer.

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Moriarty70:
I can honestly say that not only do I not know my level, I don't want to know it.

That proabably stems from my belief that once you clearly define yourself you tend o limit yourself.

IMO, as ever changing beings any definition you apply to yourself only holds true for that moment. The second you take your next step, you are already a step stronger (or weaker, depending on the step!) than you previously were.

Wow, this is deep...
I think I am at level 9 probably because I'm going to college soon and it's certainly a serious level. I have to choose how I set my skill points and I don't now rather I should go warrior or mage... And it doesn't help when a level 85 tells you everything was better before the new patch.

"The alternative would involve you gradually mastering Fireball in tiny increments. Perhaps the first 10 times you cast the spell, you smoke up like a chimney without the fire. Maybe then you manage to conjure a few sparks or singe enemies with a candle-like flare, but a Great Chicago Fire-esque conflagration is still a long way away."

Now that would be an intersting RPG. Some skills in JRPGs work a little like this, but they are so lame compared to the fully learnt skills that no one really bothers with them (that I know of in the west anyway). I would like to see more of this dev bods.

I think I'm lvl 11-ish.. I guess.

Hehe, Economancer.. that makes me an umm... Physard?

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Batfred:
"The alternative would involve you gradually mastering Fireball in tiny increments. Perhaps the first 10 times you cast the spell, you smoke up like a chimney without the fire. Maybe then you manage to conjure a few sparks or singe enemies with a candle-like flare, but a Great Chicago Fire-esque conflagration is still a long way away."

Now that would be an intersting RPG. Some skills in JRPGs work a little like this, but they are so lame compared to the fully learnt skills that no one really bothers with them (that I know of in the west anyway). I would like to see more of this dev bods.

I believe Morrowind had something like this, but a little less sophisticated. Your spells had a chance to fail based on your skill level. The lower the skill, the higher the chance of failure.

Level hmm... 12 maybe

I wonder how many people know how to pronounce Tao?

I'm a level ?? Humanoid.

There can never be a single level system for life... In RPGs, levels are used to show your power, how much time you've spent with the game etc. In life, there is no set goal and therefore no level 99. Levels are also used for comparison under a specific system: a level 30 will always be more powerful than a level 20. Can this really be applied in real life?

is there a max level? that would help

if its up to say 100 illd estimate...

wait what are we basing this on? self opinion? wealth? vales?
because i believe there is no point to life so ive allready reached my max
soo 100/100

im joshgod and im a zen master

33?

I think I've gained the traits and attributes that will account for a third of my level 100.

Thats where I hope I am, anyway. I'd hate to be nearing my full potential.

Guess that makes a .. level 20 mathemagician.

I'm not too sure about my decision though. While technically the amount of intellectual progress I'll make in the years of my life yet to come will continously decrease (which would mean I should have picked a higher level for this early age), the only real way to gain "experience" is with age.

JoshGod:
is there a max level? that would help

if its up to say 100 illd estimate...

wait what are we basing this on? self opinion? wealth? vales?
because i believe there is no point to life so ive allready reached my max
soo 100/100

im joshgod and im a zen master

Sounds more like Nihilism than Zen.

A very thought provoking idea indeed and nicely written. It's certainly food for thought and while I'll scribble down here that I'm about a level 40 I've found those dings less readily available since I went dual spec and changed my professions. The skills I had before are stil useful but until I learn new ones I got a bit of catching up to do.

Those later levels look like they could be pretty damn hard to achieve, I honestly don't think I've met a level 99 yet - although I've had some good l90 advice it's inconsistent.

I have to say this is one of the few articles that will stick with me and keep me thinking. Also, you have found probably the coolest monk ever who has at least +6 in being awesome. I totally agree with him that most leveling up occurs when you confront your inner demons, but accomplishments in real life also can't be ignored. I'm probably around a level 18, as I am halfway done with my college education, managed to hold on to my workstudy job, and have been delving more into myself and dealing with my issues. And managed to socialize and keep friends. My class is currently "otaku liberal artist" (the result of being a literature major, history and art history minor, and involved heavily in anime society workings.) hoping to take the paragon of "otaku writer" (the otaku never dies).

SharedProphet:

JoshGod:
is there a max level? that would help

if its up to say 100 illd estimate...

wait what are we basing this on? self opinion? wealth? vales?
because i believe there is no point to life so ive allready reached my max
soo 100/100

im joshgod and im a zen master

Sounds more like Nihilism than Zen.

yesyes the zen part is due to my ability to clear my mind and think of nothing.
most men are zen masters =)

I always feel like i'm waiting for the boss to appear. i feel like during sophomore year in high school, i entered a cheat code.

so i'm building stats in many different things now.

I've thought about this before.

The conclusion I came to was that I am lvl 0 and lvl 100.

And everywhere between, there come realizations and constant awakenings.

I am also every level inbetween.

level 20 Tosser.
if you don't know, a Tosser is someone who doesn't excell at anything in special, and hasn't got the stones to change something about it.
and level 20 because i'm quite good at it

I'm like level 10, still grinding the tutorial area for XP and bonus skills.

I'd like to think myself of a different system. One of professions and skills than character defining levels. Sure, there are stats involved and you could put levels on my individual skill trees (each level opening up more and more side branches that intertwine with other skill trees)

But i'd venture a guess of around 23ish.

I rather enjoy reading about Zen practice every once in awhile myself. You would be surprised what monsters you may find. As for defeating them, well, that's often a matter of defeating a past self that may have been the you of 5 minutes ago. Lazy as I am, I fear my monsters, oft of the monkey-mind variety, are allowed to run amok too often.

I think that confronted with that question (what level are you) I would have to confess that I'm a bit of an alt-a-holic and I perpetually reroll. It seems I am not destined for truly high levels in any one proficiency, but I do rather enjoy learning about each individual proficiency I dabble in.

Perhaps that's not so bad. Perhaps, if you are learning how to better enjoy life, your master class level will progress much higher as a generalist than as a specialist. Many perspectives hold a potential for greater wisdom than just one.

(Granted, regarding your progress numerically is a mental trap of sorts, but I am playing along.)

My level is "awesome" because us programmers use cheatcodes and create the worlds, we're not bound by XP levels :-D

He said fighting personal monsters.

Well, I'd have to say I'm at level 20 then. Still got a couple personal beasts to slay, but I'm getting good at it.

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