I Have Seen The Future, And it is Annoying

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TheMirai:
This was why Final Fantasy XI Online was such a piece of crap - signing up for two completely different services and installing from like six discs was pure torture.

CD-R:
This is the exact reason why I won't get Dawn of War II. It requires both Steam and Games for Windows Live.

Actually, DoWII was surprisingly laid-back. GFWL isn't that big of a hassle and is used to track Achievements and friends lists, and Steam is incredibly nice. Shamus' problem with GTA4 is that it didn't use any of the GFWL features, which rendered even having it utterly pointless.

Of services, GFWL and Steam are about the only ones worth stomaching.

Agreed. Steam is nice, and GFWL... well, it could definitely be better, but it's not too annoying when you don't want it around.

I bought Sins of a Solar Empire and ended up with Impulse running as well.

I only played Sins of a Solar Empire on the day I got it. Steam got to my PC first, so any other run on start-up store would have to hand out free (good) games every week for me to even consider it.

AC10:
You know, I've only read a few of Shamus Young's articles on the escapist but the immense amount of common sense he commands makes me think I should read the rest.

IMO if we HAVE to go with a digital system, for the love of fuck, please let it be steam. Impulse doesn't have the pull, EA's store sucks ass in that you can only download your purchases for a fixed amount of time, and it's short too, like 6 months or something. You can of course PAY THEM to extend this, fuck that.

Steam remembers my shit, has great deals, has a very impressive uptime, a good UI and built in community features: Store saves, config options, chatrooms, groups, profiles, friends, achievements and they also host servers now.

And stop putting securom and install limits on games, no one likes that shit. Steam IS DRM and I don't know why upper management doesn't understand that.

Anyways, I'm a gamer. I've been gaming on PC and consoles since I've been 4, but the PC seems to have grown up with me, always there, always providing me with new stuff. As such it is by and far my favorite gaming platform. It really makes me sad to see what it's all come down to.

They understand it they just don't want to surrender to Valve. This is of course why I favor the content providers getting together and coming up with a single OS not under the control of one company and building games for that. Not having to concern myself with a Windows upgrade every three or four years just to make sure I will be able to play the latest games when all I use windows for on my home machine is gaming would be nice.

shadow skill:

AC10:
You know, I've only read a few of Shamus Young's articles on the escapist but the immense amount of common sense he commands makes me think I should read the rest.

IMO if we HAVE to go with a digital system, for the love of fuck, please let it be steam. Impulse doesn't have the pull, EA's store sucks ass in that you can only download your purchases for a fixed amount of time, and it's short too, like 6 months or something. You can of course PAY THEM to extend this, fuck that.

Steam remembers my shit, has great deals, has a very impressive uptime, a good UI and built in community features: Store saves, config options, chatrooms, groups, profiles, friends, achievements and they also host servers now.

And stop putting securom and install limits on games, no one likes that shit. Steam IS DRM and I don't know why upper management doesn't understand that.

Anyways, I'm a gamer. I've been gaming on PC and consoles since I've been 4, but the PC seems to have grown up with me, always there, always providing me with new stuff. As such it is by and far my favorite gaming platform. It really makes me sad to see what it's all come down to.

They understand it they just don't want to surrender to Valve. This is of course why I favor the content providers getting together and coming up with a single OS not under the control of one company and building games for that. Not having to concern myself with a Windows upgrade every three or four years just to make sure I will be able to play the latest games when all I use windows for on my home machine is gaming would be nice.

I'd be down for that, but we both know it's VERY unlikely to happen ;)

the orange box also runs on steam even though i have a physical copy

The article makes references that you have to have a client running into order to play a given game. While this is true for some, in regards to Impulse it is not required to be open or in the background to play a game. You can simply purchase a game, install it via Impulse and play without having it running.

Impulse does have Impulse Now, a tray client, which can be run in the background for access to community features, checking for updates, etc. However, it is not required and can be easily disabled if the user does not want access to those features. :)

-Spencer (Stardock)

The Random One:
Aaaaaand that's why I prefer consoles.

Not that they're much better, but at least they're honest about how they screw you over.

Right now that is how I feel exactly.

HAHAHA, great joke

Island Dog:
The article makes references that you have to have a client running into order to play a given game. While this is true for some, in regards to Impulse it is not required to be open or in the background to play a game. You can simply purchase a game, install it via Impulse and play without having it running.

Impulse does have Impulse Now, a tray client, which can be run in the background for access to community features, checking for updates, etc. However, it is not required and can be easily disabled if the user does not want access to those features. :)

-Spencer (Stardock)

Thanks for clearing that up.

I really need to give Impulse a second look. I haven't seen it since it was brand new and it only had a few titles and some rough edges.

Yeah this is all really goddamn annoying.

I hate having background programs eating up my computing power-and it's ridiculous when you have games that need multiple versions of background programs to run at all.

Yeah, I guess I have that problem with any games I get from GameTap, BigFish, or TellTale, but to a much smaller degree.

Steam acts as though it was written by Apple. It thinks it knows better than me what I REALLY want. As a good example, it persists in auto updating my games without even asking first. The offline/online thing is a pain in the butt too, there is little real reason that Online mode needs to exist as far as I can see. If Valve got a good dose of humility and improved Steam to be a silent helper that did what I wanted, when I wanted it, then it might be alright. Until then it is flawed.

I've used Impulse about the same as Steam (which is to say not all that much, maybe half a dozen games) and it seems much better with less annoying auto-screw-me-up crap. It also seems to be much more flexible with the fact that I have multiple computers.

Makes it a no-brainer for me when there is a game I want that is available on both Steam and Impulse...

xyrafhoan:
However, I'm miffed by the insistance that I MUST download the game through Steam even if I buy a physical copy!

You're usually downloading the last bit of the game that they didn't put on the disc. One of the biggest sources of pirate game releases are the companies that manufacture the discs. By removing a few, small critical bits and having you download them after you install the game, they can usually eliminate a lot of the pre-launch piracy (and counterfeiting). It's not a great solution, but I can't think of a better way around that problem.

shadow skill:
Notice how fewer and fewer games support anything other than 360 gamepads, or if they do everything is defaulted to the Xbox controller conventions?

That's because the Xbox360 controller is also Microsoft's official gamepad for Windows. They sell a version with different packaging and a driver disc in the PC section of many stores.

Before the 360 controller, gamepads for PCs were terrible quality, had an inconsistent feature set, and were a giant pain in the ass to get working correctly. Standardizing on the 360 controller for Windows was one of the best things that could have been done to make non-Mouse/KB games reasonable on the PC.

As far as the social connectivity issues go... I long for the early days of battle.net. Blizzard created an elegant little system that ran from inside the game. No crappy program running constantly in the background. Gamespy Comrade? Where the hell did you come from? You're def not my comrade.

Monkeyman8:

londelen:
Solution to the problem of PC gaming: make a keyboard & mouse peripheral for the consoles.

or we could just get rid of consoles so that developers stop thinking this is a good idea cause, "Hey look, the console tards don't mind this BS, let's force it on the PC gamers."

Wow, nice one.
"Lets get rid of 70% of the gaming market to appeal to the 6 guys who play PC games that AREN'T pirates.

Cryo84R:

Monkeyman8:

londelen:
Solution to the problem of PC gaming: make a keyboard & mouse peripheral for the consoles.

or we could just get rid of consoles so that developers stop thinking this is a good idea cause, "Hey look, the console tards don't mind this BS, let's force it on the PC gamers."

Wow, nice one.
"Lets get rid of 70% of the gaming market to appeal to the 6 guys who play PC games that AREN'T pirates.

*slow clap* yeah, you definitely know what you're talking about.

Not sure if anyone else has notified Mr. Young about this yet, but there are in fact games purchased on Steam that don't actually require you to have steam running while playing.

True, if you start the game from the "-applaunch" icons that Steam will make for you, then yes, you will not be able to shut down Steam while the game is running.

However, all of the games you buy on Steam gets put into:

Steam\steamapps\common
&
Steam\steamapps\(Your account name)

Quite a few of these games will be launchable via the standard icons that you would have with the same type of game bought from Direct2Drive or even retail boxed.

Somehow I imagine this information might be useful to a lot of you :P

Steam is ok for me, but I really think they should implement a COMPELTEY OFFLINE MODE that actually lets you play games... (except for their multiplayer parts) I shouldn't need to connect to the net to play Mass Effect 2. Also, if you buy your game on steam, you shouldn't be forced to use another app - like GFWL... which is TERRIBLE! Steams community features are way better than that.. i dont get why the developers just stick to it.

This, combined with a lack of finances, keeps me only playing games that don't require other programs running in the background to play and freeware games.

I'm on board with you, Shamus. Casual gamers tell me 'what's one more process' when I demand of my laptop that nearly every non-critical item be shut down while I game. 'Your computer is decked out anyway'.

This future sounds like a nightmare. I was hoping Steam could solve all my problems, I noticed early on that it avoided some of the more painful DRM like Bioshock 2 had, but if it's going to progress to multiple process per game, I don't know what the answer is. Maybe take up sports or something.

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