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Andronicus:
SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE!!
Oh lordy, I do beg your pardon, don't know what came over me. Ahem.

I slightly over-reacted when someone spoiled that for me. Apparently I was/can be quite scary when I put my mind to it.
Good article, which raises good points, methinks, but I don't think it's that hard to avoid spoilers, if you're really that bothered. What really annoys me is when Developers/Publishers spill the beans themselves, in the name of generating hype/publicity.

I actively avoided Mass Effect 2 previews and articles. I watched some early gameplay videos and decided I liked what I saw, and then I went into as much of a blackout about it as I could for nearly a year. I managed to avoid the worst of it. Occasionally, I'd get hit by some piece of info that I didn't want, but managed to repress most of it.

Today I finished ME2 for the first time and I'm quite glad I did all of the above. It kept the game fresh, the characters interesting and the overall experience far more engaging. Sure, the way the story is told and the alternate ways to handle certain situations will make it interesting on subsequent playthroughs, but I honestly wanted that first time to be completely fresh and unspoiled.

If that's wrong, I don't want to be right!

I know next to nothing about Mass Effect 2, the only things I have heard are (or where) spoken as "probably" like how they will "probably" take out some races from the game or how they will "probably" make your previous character part of the game, but its kind of weird that every time I see "spoiler alert" in a review page I close it and move on, I dont really care if I am told about certain things or if they tell me all the damn plot, but I do care enought that they give me the choice to not know, and thats common courtesy, wich many people seem to overlook on their own exited existence, because in the end people only brag or yell to the 4 winds what they know because they want everyone to share the joy of knowing about a particular thing about their game.

and the bragging "I knew first about that"

dnadns:
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Same principle as with movies for me. If you haven't seen "The Game" with Micheal Douglas yet and somebody tells you how it ends, there is almost no point watching it anymore.

Everytime I see someone spoiling an experience without proper announcement, I always come to think that they were just too lazy to describe the event in terms that wouldn't give away the surprise.

Twists are something I hugely appreciate in every kind of media with a story and as a good one can almost save a mediocre title, a spoilered one is typicall dead on arrival.

I completely agree. I've been in movie lines for the latest blockbuster when the previous show gets out and the people who have just seen this highly-anticipated movie with lots of twists and turns begin to stop in front of the line and start discussing the ins and outs of the plot. This has happened multiple times. I think it comes down to respect of others ultimately.

Also,

punkhead58:

Logan Westbrook:

Please don't tell me that you've been part of the community for a year and a half and this is the first time you've ventured into the discussion thread for one of our articles?

Please excuse me, Sir Buzz-Kill, I wasn't aware that I had to use forum mark-up to express the tone of my posts. I apologize.

punkhead58:

[sarcasm]
Two links and a sentence? If you weren't part of the Escapist Committee, you'd be probated for low-content posting.
[/sarcasm]

Happy now?

Rule of thumb in life, don't be a dick. Rule of thumb in the Escapist forums, don't be a dick to anyone, especially a member of the staff and a mod. That's not sarcasm, that's just plain asshatery.

Then, do not read the threads.
Case closed.

Myan:
Rule of thumb in life, don't be a dick. Rule of thumb in the Escapist forums, don't be a dick to anyone, especially a member of the staff and a mod. That's not sarcasm, that's just plain asshatery.

You can't take away a person's right to be an asshole.

People who post spoilers or who make spoilers their lifes' big quest are nothing but attention whores pure and simple, they don't care what kind of attention they are getting as long as they are getting it.

Zeithri:
Then, do not read the threads.
Case closed.

Yes and no. If there's a "Mass Effect 2 Plot Twists" thread, then yeah, pretty easy to avoid. But if the thread is about something like "Favorite Videogame Characters" and someone just blurts out a spoiler, you have no reason to expect that or guard against it.

But yes, there needs to be common sense on both sides of the spoiler avoidance equation.

Fun fact: The spoiler tag on our forums not only hides the content from normal view, but it also encodes it so you can't see the spoilers if you view the page source, and so search engines can't grab it for their preview text. It doesn't get converted into readable text until you click on it.

Mr.Tea:
Archangel is actually...

For games that I know I'm going to buy, like ME2, I don't read anything in advance. No previews, trailers, the official site - nothing - for exactly this reason. I didn't know this going into that mission, and the game was definitely better for it.

008Zulu:
You can't take away a person's right to be an asshole.

Perhaps not in life, but we can take away their ability to do it here.

Susan Arendt:

Zeithri:
Then, do not read the threads.
Case closed.

Yes and no. If there's a "Mass Effect 2 Plot Twists" thread, then yeah, pretty easy to avoid. But if the thread is about something like "Favorite Videogame Characters" and someone just blurts out a spoiler, you have no reason to expect that or guard against it.

But yes, there needs to be common sense on both sides of the spoiler avoidance equation.

Exactly. Unless you completely cut yourself off from the outside world, there's really no way to 100% protect yourself from spoilers and insinuating that it's the spoilee who is at fault is kind of like saying, "You don't like cigarette smoke? Then don't go outside." Yeah, sure, it's fine if you want to smoke and everything, but if we're both at a hot dog stand, waiting to be served, I'd appreciate it if you held off on that smoke until we've both gone our separate ways.

Virgil:

008Zulu:
You can't take away a person's right to be an asshole.

Perhaps not in life, but we can take away their ability to do it here.

What he said. People will be assholes, but I'd like to think we can keep that to a minimum here.

Susan Arendt:

Zeithri:
Then, do not read the threads.
Case closed.

Yes and no. If there's a "Mass Effect 2 Plot Twists" thread, then yeah, pretty easy to avoid. But if the thread is about something like "Favorite Videogame Characters" and someone just blurts out a spoiler, you have no reason to expect that or guard against it.

But yes, there needs to be common sense on both sides of the spoiler avoidance equation.

Oh, on that I completely agree and everytime I happen to read something onpar with that, I always blurt out a "Yarrgh!" and pretend I saw someone really hideous naked instead.

Luckly, there is always the Spoiler Tags (if more knew what it was).

d319tm:
Well the twist to ME2 is that it was his sled all along!

and it was being rode by Kevin Spacey aka Kaiser Sosay!

Virgil:

Mr.Tea:
Archangel is actually...

For games that I know I'm going to buy, like ME2, I don't read anything in advance. No previews, trailers, the official site - nothing - for exactly this reason. I didn't know this going into that mission, and the game was definitely better for it.

I too avoid most things about games I am interested in, but I unfortunately decided to look through the art book while the game was installing. Perhaps anti-spoilering should also be looked at when making these things.

Virgil:

008Zulu:
You can't take away a person's right to be an asshole.

Perhaps not in life, but we can take away their ability to do it here.

Its a good thing forums can be moderated this way, but out in the real world, using the "Ban Hammer" will likely have you thrown in jail for assault. But there are the aformentioned who will do anything and everything they can to spoil anothers fun.

I've had to deal with a lot of spoilers which, if I'm looking for them, I don't really care. On the other hand, I've told many a fan boy and girl to shut the hell up if I'm really deeply interested in something.

On the flip side, as a panelist at a couple conventions, I've also had to toss out quite a few spoiler warnings. I had one person scream at me when I suggested she leave because she didn't want to hear spoilers, because she'd rather spend an hour arguing about character height. In the end, you really can't satisfy everyone.

I couldn't agree more. Since I didn't receive my copy of Mass Effect 2 before the weekend (The Collector's Edition got delayed to february 2 here in Sweden) I more or less have isolated me from the society just to avoid spoilers, and so that I dosen't kill anyone.

My game is still back ordered, so I'm trying to shut out most information. It's not really a big deal though. A lot of people I know go crazy trying to avoid spoilers.

Sixth Sense and Shawshank Redemption would have been ruined with knowledge of the ending for me. Its a good thing that any information about Mass Effect 2 is completely avoidable, due to my reclusive nature. P-:

I get so bad I wont even read the blurbs on the back of book covers. =|

Jadak:
I agree completely, however, my irritation with this is largely directed at Bioware itself, and/or EA, whoever needs to be blamed.

Whatever happen to devs being tight-lipped about storylines? This time around, they leaked every damn bit of detail in official sources all over the place. Even the trailers (awesome as the last one was) revealed far too much about what was going on.

I completely agree with this sentiment. Bioware makes incredible games, but it just loves them too much to keep the details secret. All throughout ME2 you'll uncover information that you, having followed the marketing campaign, already saw coming from a mile away, but feels like would have been amazing twists if you hadn't had them shown to you in trailers, or for god's sake in interviews. The identities of your crewmates in particular was something I would have much rather not known.

When ME3 is revealed I'm immediately going to go live in the woods until it's released. I guess I followed ME2's development extra-closely because I wanted to be certain Bioware could live up to their epic-carryover-trilogy ambition, and now that they've established that they can, I don't need the same reassurance next time.

I know what you mean. Daybreakers isn't even out here in Australia yet but a fair amount of people insist on spoiling it while I'm reading a supposedly spoiler free review. Sigh...

Word of advice for people just do what I do when something people are undoubtedly going to jab on about is coming out and you are yet to receive the experience or even a few days before hand because leaks just pop up.

Have a complete and total internet black out.

They won't spoil it on the radio, they won't spoil it on the TV or even in the newspaper. But the internet is like the drunken frat boy of every party, unable to hold his liquor, throwing the keg out of your window and knocking down your expensive vase.

I know being tight lipped about spoilers in any media is common courtesy, but with Mass Effect it should be taboo to reveal anything. The game's story, characters, and immersion is a selling point to me. I feel differently about this game than most other titles I play. There's just something so intriguing about this universe that ruining any of the discovery would be like throwing red paint on the Mona Lisa.

In summary, I agree with Susan 100%. The ride has been perfect so far, and I'm enjoying the experience to its fullest.

I was in the dark about most of Mass Effect 2 so I was surprised by Archangel, Legion, the ship, etc. What bugs me is when I read this information in the damn reviews for the game.

Another thing that bugs me is when people pester me for information about a game and when I answer they get mad for spoiling things. Dammit, if you don't want to know then don't ask.

Now my standard response when people ask me about ME2 is "Shepard kills Dumbledore."

Oh I remember watching the figureskating thing live on TV... but then again I live in Norway so it was in prime time.

But what I find interesting is how we still 16 years later, remember who won the Silver... but I have no idea who won the gold... Does that mean that Nancy Kerrigan was actually the real winner here? She is imortalised by all this?

Aurgelmir:
Oh I remember watching the figureskating thing live on TV... but then again I live in Norway so it was in prime time.

But what I find interesting is how we still 16 years later, remember who won the Silver... but I have no idea who won the gold... Does that mean that Nancy Kerrigan was actually the real winner here? She is imortalised by all this?

Oksana Baiul won gold. She was a 16 year old Ukranian orphan...possibly the only character more sympathetic than Nancy. Couldn't tell you who won bronze, though.

Internet Kraken:

-Snip-

factualsquirrel:
Well, the biggest bit in the game is when you get attacked by a giant squid.

HAH! I have no idea what that means, so it didnīt get spoiled. :D

I allways have people tell me "what does it matter, you'll find out the story one way or another". To me this idea is extreemly stupid, the diffrence between a jerk or fool (the fool might be me) on the internet and playing the game is the same diffrence as going to see Avatar on the big screen or having a hobo re-inact the movie with his sock(s).

If you don't see the problem I find that a little odd, but I won't ruin it for you if you don't ruin it for me.

I hate spoilers, I want to be unaware of anything when I start playing a game or watching something. What is it about? I don't want to know before I play! I don't want to know any bit of the story at all. Wikipedia sometimes ruin things for me. When I first heard Tales of Symphonia would get a sequel I was delighted and went to Wikipedia to get to know if it would ever see Europe. They didn't mention that, but early in the article it blurted out with a big fat spoiler I could do without. Since then I didn't enter any forums about the game that weren't about the release date.
I also got a friend who reads walkthroughs for games while he's waiting to get them and watches videos of the story on Youtube... And of course a friend who always manages to spoil things constantly when he's not thinking. Like when we discussed a game and actually discussed that no-one was going to spoil it he managed to tell that the main character would betray them at end of disc 1. Great...

The only thing worse than spoilers, are those who are indifferent to them. Saying you don't care for the story and only play for the game play is like saying that you only read a book because you for the words or see a movie for the action and sex scenes. While that latter probably describes many movie goers, they are still douche bags for missing the point. The pint being to tell a story! Otherwise, why bother with the story? Why not just have a bunch of disjointed levels if all you care about is the game play? Why not have 90 minutes of gore and tits with no plot tying the scenes together?

Along these lines, can we get mods to start yanking some of the ME2 threads? There's a few that are coming darned close to "OMGZ!!! Snape kills Dumbledore!" in thier subject lines.

I love coming here, but I'm going to have to stop (at least until I complete a playthrough) if the trend continues.

Susan Arendt:
Spoiler Alert!
If you don't watch your mouth I'll break your knees, too.

I'm pretty unhappy. I've managed to avoid all obvious spoilers to ME2.
Then I've read the "who've you recently killed tread" and a big spoiler was given away.
What he hell, the game is 2 weeks old!!
Is a lack of spoiler tags on new games worthy of a moderators wrath?

When I do encounter spoilers, I start to see the narrative in a less movie like fashion, and more like a game of mousetrap: Sure you know the end result, but the fun is in setting it up and watching it unfold.

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