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I think Agent 47's character design is quite good as well. There's just something about that look that screams "Professional." And too often, people focus on the "Killer" part of "Professional Killer" and forget about the "Professional" bit.

Rather funny!

Hes right about Bayonetta though why would anyone want her guns??

I have to disagree here on the collectors/limited edition thing

It is what it is A COLLECTORS edition right or a LIMITED edition
It's just what it is it's supposed to come with that stuff cause that's what it is
Limited editions most of the time include maps and soundtracks and making off's
Collectors editions go a little further and off everything thathe limited edition has + Art books,goodies,Posters,lore books and the like

I Don't see anybody ranting about buying A premium Xbox (with the hard disk) opposed to an arcade one (without hard disk) I know it's not the best of comparisons but still

"Game of the year" editions are now the name for the packaging up of the original game and DLCs, so referring to special and collector's edition still as "game of the year" editions is not really accurate...

Wait, Darksiders and Bayonetta came with special editions? What made them special enough to warrant that? I can understand sequels to very popular games (Bioshock, Halo, Starcraft, Warcraft, Diablo), or to games that genuinely come from somewhere (Dante's Inferno). But didn't Darksiders and Bayonetta come straight out of a designers asshole? The figurines are probably just as mass produced as the games' concepts.

I didn't know there were special editions for Bayonette D:

/searches internets

And lol @ Zanez, I see what you're saying.

On the one hand, I like Limited Editions, because I'm the kind of music geek who likes video game soundtracks. On the other hand, I gave up collecting figurines soon after puberty and don't really have the space to display them.

Having a "special edition" of a game pre-release is like my personal pet peeve: calling a film a "cult classic" when it's been out for less than 2 weeks.

I got the little Sonic figurine from Sonic '06 off e-bay for ten bucks. I am a thousand times more satisfied with that purchase than the actual game. That wasn't a special edition thing though, only a pre-order incentive. I guess I am just a weirdo who likes collecting figures and stuff, but only from things I like.

Maraveno:
I have to disagree here on the collectors/limited edition thing

It is what it is A COLLECTORS edition right or a LIMITED edition
It's just what it is it's supposed to come with that stuff cause that's what it is
Limited editions most of the time include maps and soundtracks and making off's
Collectors editions go a little further and off everything thathe limited edition has + Art books,goodies,Posters,lore books and the like

I Don't see anybody ranting about buying A premium Xbox (with the hard disk) opposed to an arcade one (without hard disk) I know it's not the best of comparisons but still

Because it has more storage space than a lowly card.

Mario is actually a pretty good character design. Back in 1981, the mustache was added to give him a mouth, the hat to avoid animating the hair and the overalls were included so the movement of the arms were more noticeable. So, maybe its not a great design by today standards, but certainly an clever way to work around the limitations of creating a character with big pixels and 16 colors...

Hmmm. I never really saw the apeal in all the collector dolls. Partly cos, you know. You own the game. You can see them when you turn it on and partly because they're dolls. And not just any old doll, these are non-playable dolls. I always envision barbie when I look at one. Except you can't play with it, you look at it.

On an off note. Wonder if Yahtzee would do mass effect 2? He did rag out the old one.

I personally don't see the point of figurines. I don't play with them, but look at them?

A Bayonetta figuring would be cool. An elegent beautiful woman in a little toy form would be cool.

Unfortunately, she would be considered a "sex figurine", if there was ever such a thing. A woman can't be beautiful without being sexy. Shame.

Xombee:

Maraveno:
I have to disagree here on the collectors/limited edition thing

It is what it is A COLLECTORS edition right or a LIMITED edition
It's just what it is it's supposed to come with that stuff cause that's what it is
Limited editions most of the time include maps and soundtracks and making off's
Collectors editions go a little further and off everything thathe limited edition has + Art books,goodies,Posters,lore books and the like

I Don't see anybody ranting about buying A premium Xbox (with the hard disk) opposed to an arcade one (without hard disk) I know it's not the best of comparisons but still

Because it has more storage space than a lowly card.

That's not what I was referring to but ok

I wonder if this means that the next Zero Punctuation is going to be Dark Void. Maybe he needs more time to evaluate Mass Effect 2.

To quote Yahtzee himself: "If you're complaining about unnecessary additions, you're just being a tosser. Like, say, for example, complaining about a perfectly good hot dog just because the vendor is the Boston Strangler."

All of these games do have their regular addition, so why complain about the shiny extras in the limited/ultra/whatever editions? If the devs and publishers manage to rake in more cash via shrewd marketing like this, I say more power to them.
Anyway, I'm not a big fan of the figurines myself, but if there's an artbook, a soundtrack and maybe even some extra in-game content, you won't hear me complaining.

I'm sure this was covered on twitter, which I don't use, but how does Yahtzee feel about the main character from one of his favourite series? Gordon Freeman isn't really shown off as much as most characters, so maybe his looks aren't important. I'd say he's still pretty well designed though; he looks pretty much like an intellectual (tidiness of hair, glasses) normal guy. In a hazard suit. I would say that's a pretty good depiction of who Freeman is.

Of course, knowing "who freeman is" isn't really possible. Mostly I'm basing it on his looks, so yeah I imagine they would reflect it...

I bought the Director's edition of F.E.A.R., it came with some fairly basic "special edition" stuff: slightly different skin for multiplayer (available now for free but whatever, so is the entire multiplayer game), a special rooster teeth video, and a cheesy live action excerpt from alma's childhood. And a sweet looking box. All stuff that was cool to experience at the time and didn't clutter my desk. I want more rooster teeth videos on "Special Editions"

Oh yeah, and it had a dark horse comic book. But that didn't really clutter my desk...

Maraveno:

Xombee:

Maraveno:
I Don't see anybody ranting about buying A premium Xbox (with the hard disk) opposed to an arcade one (without hard disk) I know it's not the best of comparisons but still

Because it has more storage space than a lowly card.

That's not what I was referring to but ok

Well, that's because you picked a poor example. There's a real, practical reason to buy a premium console and the hard disk is an actual, practical consideration. Limited edition swag, on the other hand, is not. Especially if said edition costs too much more than the base game, at which point you're probably getting ripped off by the cheaply produced, overpriced extras.

See, I understand and support CE/LE's for big name, highly anticipated titles like World of Warcraft (and I'm sure Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 will have CEs as well), Bioshock & BS2, and even FO3- You get some really cool stuff that, if you are an enthusiast of the title, you probably want.

But it created a monster in the marketing department: Publishers were like "Holy shit! We can really add a couple of crappily made things that we were using for freebie promo materials, toss them in a box and then upcharge by 200%?!? [sounds of choking ecstacy] We were just gonna throw that leftover shit out anyway!"

But TBH, if it's have too many games publishing CEs than have no games publishing them, I'd rather have more choices than less. I can control myself and not pay stupid amounts of money for shit I'm really not interested in.

And YAHTZEE, when speaking of iconic character designs, how can you leave out Gordon Freeman, FFS?!? Goatee, Glasses, Crowbar are all you need to know. Well, maybe 'Hazard Suit', if the target audience is particularly dense. But I doubt very seriously you could find another video game character so identifiable as Freeman, even by people unfamiliar with the game.

Indeed... I always thought Agent 47's ties and gloves made the character.

I remember the days when video games came with tons of extras, and titles like "Ultima IV" were simply bulging with the components. Not only that but people put time into comissioning decent artwork for their players manuals, and almost every RPG had a map in the box.

To me it seems that the "Collector's Editions" are an attempt to raise the price of a game artificially and charge people extra for the kind of stuff that you would had gotten for free years ago. Today a cloth map, an illustrated spellbook with translatable runes on the cover, and a little metal ankh will tack like $20 onto the price of a game.

Things like the action figures seem to be an exception, rather than the rule still, but yeah I agree something like that is kind of silly to stuff in a box for a game. I think Blizzard had the right idea with the way they released actions figures for their games after the fact for those that were really interested. People wound up buying them because they became obssessives about what were some very good games, and that is arguably what I think figurines should be all about.

Also for the record "Batman: Arkham Asylum" ruined collector's editions for me for a long time. I paid a not insignifigant amount of extra money for that special edition in order to get what was supposed to be a metal Batarang replica, which in reality turned out to be a scratched piece of plastic I'd be embarrassed to display even if I was a fanatic about the game to that level.

I usually never buy the collector's edition of a game. However I bought the Mass Effect 2 one for two reasons. It was the same price in GAME as the normal one (perhaps some sort of glitch) and the normal editions cover art was absolutely hideous. Any sane person would want more for their money anyway.

My favorite thing about 47's design is that he's a bald white male of very decidedly average appearance. When he's wearing a disguise, you actually believe that he can convincingly pass as a number of different ethnic groups, just because (aside from the barcode) he's deceptively bland-looking. Imposing, yes, but not so much that you'd pick him out of a crowd (especially now that baldness and shaved heads are pretty fashionable here in the States). He's tall and muscular, but he's not Arnold from Predator beefy. And while the black gloves are eye-catching, they're understated enough most people probably won't really notice.

Another excellent character design is Wander from Shadow of the Colossus. I don't really have much time to go into it now, but everything about the way Wander looks and carries himself tells you most of what you need to know about him as a character.

Collector editions certainly look cool (my jaw had dislocated itself at the sight of the Climax Edition of Bayonetta, because of the sheer audacity of it) but all in all aren't exactly useful. I'm sure some Fallout fan bought the Super Collector's Limited Extreme Edition that came with a lunchbox, a Pip Boy replica watch, and a freaking Vault-Tec bobblehead, but in my honest opinion, collector's editions aren't worth the extra money. Remember the Modern Warfare 2 Prestige Edition with the night vision goggles? It's a game. Just buy the regular edition. Unless it's say...the BlazBlue collector edition, which came with tutorial DVDs for all the characters and soundtrack.

And character designs are an acquired taste. I took a look at the art from Darksiders and it looked kinda cool. And I'm one of those hopeless rejects who actually thought Wind Waker had a nice art style.

Mr.Wiggles:
Rather funny!

Hes right about Bayonetta though why would anyone want her guns??

Well they'd want her "guns" but I think whoever was in charge didn't understand the concept of entendre.

I think people forget that games are released by different groups of people and not one big money hungry MONSTA.

The people who make the game (as in coding and designing) don't have much input in it's marketing (other then submitting artwork and concept designs or background stories)... there's a team for that. It is within this team that ideas like "limited editions" and "collectors editions" come to be. It's advertisement and marketing disguised as Fan service, something which developers and coders rarely have qualifications in.

Stop painting the industry with such a wide brush, a lot of developers attention is purely on the game, the production companies are the ones mainly responsible for the greedy money side of things and can also be blamed for the supposed decline in Game quality (games are getting harder to make and developers aren't getting sufficient increases in deadline).

Agent 47's design is good, he looks refined and intelligent but with underlying ruthlessness, plus his baldness and the bar-code on the back of his head makes him stand out. Makes you wonder how know one ever goes "I did see a man with a bar-code on the back of his head, when Big Tony was found stuffed in a laundry shoot. I wonder if it's related".

The Fiend from Quake. Instantly recognizable visually and aurally, and its attack still makes me jump in my chair.

No addressing the reader comments :(

That's my favorite part.

As for me I don't own any special editions but its a battle every time. My irrational desire for useless things (Bioshock 2 vinyl record soundtrack, without a record player) has to combat my rational desire to not piss away an extra 40 bucks on something useless. So far my rational side has won every time but only due to limited funds. Should I see a massive influx of cash come my way I may not be able to resist paying for the extra crap.

As for Game of the Year edition, that's just the game with all the DLC so if I haven't bought a game and it has a GOTYE I will buy that version (Fallout 3). Getting the GOTYE for Fallout saves you like $20 in DLC.

carnkhan4:
"Game of the year" editions are now the name for the packaging up of the original game and DLCs, so referring to special and collector's edition still as "game of the year" editions is not really accurate...

I'm quite liking the GOTY edition, to me it feels like a complete package when you buy it you get the the lot, game play wise.

I don't get special editions, myself, unless they come with a lot of stuff. Take the Fallout 3 special edition, for example. You get an art book, a "Behind The Scenes" DVD, a lunchbox and a bobblehead. Now I could possibly see shelling out another $10 American for the special edition since it actually gives you something you can use in addition to the bobblehead, book and DVD (especially since the place I bought it at was selling it for the same price as just the game, THANKS, BEST BUY!). However if it just gives you some dinky little figurine or something and an art book or DVD, it just kind of seems stupid to buy it since you're not going to get something useful.

Then there's the in-game special offers or the "I Bought The Special Edition" version. Primarily you see this in games where there's going to be a lot of multiplayer, like World of Warcraft, Warhammer Online and Star Trek Online and this is a growing plauge that GameStop is doing. Normally this will be a little in-game pet like a Frost Wyrm whelp (WoW) or a Tribble (STO) or a special piece of armor (Fable 2 did this with a 16th-century MJOLNIR Mk 6 armor set) or something. Do they provide any tangible benefit? No, outside of giving a big middle finger to people. Are they ultimately worth it? Not really. Do people buy it? Yes. Now do I have a problem with it? Not really, if you want to blow another $10 or $20 for a little pet that won't help you out in combat or anything or some special set of armor that confers no special bonuses, by all means do it.

As for the whole "GameStop Special DLC," I dunno, I'm not against buying at GameStop, I'm just against buying USED games at GameStop. Why? Because the game companies don't make money on used copies. If I buy a copy of Psychonauts, I'm going to want it new because I want to support Double Fine. If I buy Half-Life 2, I want my money to go to keeping Valve around so they can make more games. This is why I don't like places like GameStop who offer cheap used copies, because the money spent on that game won't go to supporting the development studios. However, this whole idea of pre-ordering the game and getting a special piece of in-game DLC is actually a good thing because you're buying a new copy (and thus supporting the producers of the game you've pre-ordered) and getting a little bonus, as if to say "hey, thanks for supporting us." Now do I think GameStop should be the only ones doing this? No. Do I think this is a great incentive to support companies? Yes.

Yahtzee:
Increasingly, retail game sales have to rely on that section of the audience they still haven't lost to digital distribution, who prefer their games to take up space on a shelf with some kind of physical weight, the weightier the better.

That's me. I need physical evidence that a game exists. I don't need gaudy plastic junk in the form of figurines. I like the tin cases CE's are often found in nowadays. I like the art books. I love the soundtracks (arguably, half the reason I love games). And on rare occasions, a Making-Of DVD. Additional game content is negotiable. I'm competent enough to make my own changes to games and render new play experiences.

I'm a PC gamer, so rarely do I end up with a figurine. I believe the only one I may have somewhere is of a bent pewter Ordinator from Morrowind. But I truly loath the move to digital downloads, which bear no more significance than a disembodied prick drawn on a bar napkin.

Maybe Bayonetta will get carried away by Nightgaunts, being tickled the whole way. Actually, the image of Bayonetta thrashing around from being incessantly tickled is slightly erotic. Hmmm, Freudian 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon suggests that you do have a pulse after all Mr Croshaw :D

Wow, the blog you linked to is really interesting, and it is clearly visible from your article that you have been inspired by some of his points.

I guess the article was alright, not really the collector's type myself, but mostly thanks for linking to that blog, it's an awesome read.

Fanitullen:
I think Agent 47's character design is quite good as well. There's just something about that look that screams "Professional." And too often, people focus on the "Killer" part of "Professional Killer" and forget about the "Professional" bit.

Compounded by the games themselves. You get the best ratings for making things look 'accidental' rather than just breaking out the dual pistols.

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