Review: BioShock 2

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thenamelessloser:

Slycne:

bladeofdarkness:
is it just me
or does anyone else feel like the phrase "area defense" is a euphemism for "escort mission" ?

Sort of, but you don't have to defend her per say, it simply takes longer for her to finish collecting if she gets hit.

That is all the defense missions are? I don't exactly remember the specifics but the escort missions near the end were the only part of Bioshock 1 which I didn't like...

Yes, it's just a slight change that makes it not as punishing. Doing a poor job of defending simply makes the fight last longer and there by increases your chances of dying, but you are not going to fail because one guy slipped past you.

Russ Pitts:
Review: BioShock 2

BioShock 2 is a hearty second helping that fans of the original game will absolutely love.

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I know it's silly russ but I'm quoting you directly anyway like this

You stated that it borrows to much from the original... But is this not what a sequel is about? What we've always wanted from a sequel?? staying true to the original with aditions fixes and tweaks and a whole new story to roll through??

One of the most intriguing changes, worth noting here, is the option to turn off the "Vita-Chamber," the device that instantly reincarnates your character after death which was the source of some considerable ire from hardcore players of the original game[/quote]

I thought you could turn off vita chambers in the last game. I specifically remember it being an option in the menus. Maybe it's just because I have it on PC on steam, whereas you may have played it on the Xbox.

I think I would enjoy playing that sometime. But I missed out on the first one, unfortunately. Do you recommend playing through the first Bioshock before the sequel? Or do you think that would somewhat spoil the experience of Bioshock 2 for me?

Liked the first one and am glad to hear the second is just as good.

On a related tangent, am I the only one that noticed they included a score (4 out of 5 stars) at the bottom. That's new for their reviews and I'm not sure I like it. I always respected the Escapist for not putting in an arbitrary score (which people will just argue over).

Andronicus:
I still don't know if I'll bother picking this up. If it's more of the same then, while the same is good, I don't think it constitutes shelling out AU$100+ for it. I liked Bioshock one, but I guess I really didn't like it that much. I'm a lot more interested in the locations you get to visit than anything else, but I might as well just check the wiki.

Maybe after a year or so, once it's come down in price a bit, I'll reconsider it.

It'll cost you about AU$75 on steam right now.

Having said that, the only thing I liked about Bioshock was the fact that I know someone called Andrew Ryan. Which was pretty funny.

The rest was a bit bleh.

Funkysandwich:

Andronicus:
I still don't know if I'll bother picking this up. If it's more of the same then, while the same is good, I don't think it constitutes shelling out AU$100+ for it. I liked Bioshock one, but I guess I really didn't like it that much. I'm a lot more interested in the locations you get to visit than anything else, but I might as well just check the wiki.

Maybe after a year or so, once it's come down in price a bit, I'll reconsider it.

It'll cost you about AU$75 on steam right now.

Having said that, the only thing I liked about Bioshock was the fact that I know someone called Andrew Ryan. Which was pretty funny.

The rest was a bit bleh.

Good point. Thing is, I usually only use Steam for indie games or older games. If I'm going to pick up something brand new and a little more mainstream, I'd rather pay for something a little more tangible. Besides, I don't think my broadband would cope if I only ever used Steam.

EDIT: Also, hehe, funny about knowing someone called Andrew Ryan. My first name's Andrew and my second name's Ryan. *checks Funkysandwich's location* Err, I don't know you, do I?

very nice!

Patroclus:
I think I would enjoy playing that sometime. But I missed out on the first one, unfortunately. Do you recommend playing through the first Bioshock before the sequel? Or do you think that would somewhat spoil the experience of Bioshock 2 for me?

I do think that playing the first will take some of the shock and awe away from the second, but I also think it will provide context for situations, locations, and characters that ultimately add to the overall experience. In other words, yeah, play the first one first.

Susan Arendt:

Patroclus:
I think I would enjoy playing that sometime. But I missed out on the first one, unfortunately. Do you recommend playing through the first Bioshock before the sequel? Or do you think that would somewhat spoil the experience of Bioshock 2 for me?

I do think that playing the first will take some of the shock and awe away from the second, but I also think it will provide context for situations, locations, and characters that ultimately add to the overall experience. In other words, yeah, play the first one first.

okey dokey :) If you recommend playing the first one first then i suppose it is worth the time and effort. Frankly, my main concern has been time, which hasn't been as abundant I would like it to be. My thinking had been that if i can get the whole (or most of) the Bioshock experience in the most recent game, then I would save myself on time and money.

Well, anyhow, thanks for the advice Susan :D

Yay! ^^ I was so worried it would flop when compared to the first game's brilliance. It sounds like the only thing they've lost is the awe-inspiring novelty. It could be so much worse.

Can't wait to get me some lil' sista co-op and art deco porn. *frowns* don't think about that statement too deeply...

Jaredin:
Looking forwrd to getting this tommorow. It looks as fun as the first one for sure ^^

As much as I want to do this I'm going to have to wait till I finish up Mass Effect 2. Every time I play 2 games at once I end up getting consumed by one of them and end up not playing the other at all. Coincidentally this is what happened when I bought both the original Bioshock and Mass Effect at the same time. In the end I didn't beat Mass Effect until a few days ago.

*activates flame shield*

So did they fixed the simplified sound bite feeling dailog/script from BS 1 and create a more flowing narrative? BS is cliched with a few good bites tossed in here and there, so I am not to worried about things being worse......

So you admit the art deco and shiny turns off error and under development detection eh?

The odds and sods machine was a bit annoying and really not needed since you should trip over or buy ammo 99.999% of the time, it would have been nice that instead of using it for farming/creation but allow for deeper weapon modifications... but I am regressing quickly here...

So they let you drill a LS in the open? sorry I could not help it...hehehehe....ahem, are the LS still indestructible?

You lost me what games have borrowed from BS again? BS tends to do the borrowing.... and frank'en'genre game... er...thing. :P

"Compared to the heart-breakingly perfect narrative design of the original game" lul wut?

The point of a death mechanic is not to kill you but make death a gameplay element...... and I see they fail to even try to do something with it....yet again....

*eyes glaze over as you rave over how pretty rapture is* did they add some vertical levels this time or are they all small and flat again?

Swap out "innovative shooter" with shallow and contrived for what is suppose to be a innovative game please.....
*flame shield implodes turning into a crispy lil furry thing*

*puff puff* and I did keep the rage and loathing away from this post as well >< *turns to ash*

Zack84:
Hmm fanboy love-fest is what I see here. I'd like to know what Yahtzee thinks of Bioshock2. I for one was let down by Bioshock. Sure, I still enjoyed it, the graphics, presentation, voice-acting, etc. were all stellar. Unfortunately, the game was shallower than advertised. What is the point of a game having RPG elements if you aren't actually forced to make decisions on what skills to develop? IN BS you can just go to a machine and swap your abilities at any time. It makes the decisions seem empty and robs the game of replay value.

System Shock 2 will always be the better game in my mind. It's arguably more atmospheric than BS1, and considerably more difficult and therefore more scary. This review only makes me less enthused at the prospect of playing BS2. I'm sure I'd still enjoy it in the end, but it'll leave me pining for something more.

Good job, console-tards. You've won. Franchises once beloved on the PC have now been revamped (stripped down and simplified) for the console generation of drooling frat-boys who can't wrap their minuscule brains around the complex concept of an inventory menu. Blargh!

I would also like to know what Yahtzee thinks, (I don't think he's going to keep me from getting the game though) but I don't understand why so many people think that bioShock was an RPG... it was just a shooter. and did you find all the tape recordings? that made it a very deep experience for me (but I never played System Shock...)

"Console-tards" was a bit uncalled for though.

There's the one thing that explains why I won't be getting it unless it's on budget.

The trip into Rapture originally made me nauseous, actually getting outside? No...

*shivers* Damn sealife.

Andronicus:

Funkysandwich:

Andronicus:
I still don't know if I'll bother picking this up. If it's more of the same then, while the same is good, I don't think it constitutes shelling out AU$100+ for it. I liked Bioshock one, but I guess I really didn't like it that much. I'm a lot more interested in the locations you get to visit than anything else, but I might as well just check the wiki.

Maybe after a year or so, once it's come down in price a bit, I'll reconsider it.

It'll cost you about AU$75 on steam right now.

Having said that, the only thing I liked about Bioshock was the fact that I know someone called Andrew Ryan. Which was pretty funny.

The rest was a bit bleh.

Good point. Thing is, I usually only use Steam for indie games or older games. If I'm going to pick up something brand new and a little more mainstream, I'd rather pay for something a little more tangible. Besides, I don't think my broadband would cope if I only ever used Steam.

EDIT: Also, hehe, funny about knowing someone called Andrew Ryan. My first name's Andrew and my second name's Ryan. *checks Funkysandwich's location* Err, I don't know you, do I?

Do you live in Australia?

Must be pretty awesome being the evil overlord of your own underwater art-deco city.

Well, until you died, that is

That was an excellent review.

I will be sure to rent it.

Funkysandwich:

Andronicus:

Funkysandwich:

Andronicus:
I still don't know if I'll bother picking this up. If it's more of the same then, while the same is good, I don't think it constitutes shelling out AU$100+ for it. I liked Bioshock one, but I guess I really didn't like it that much. I'm a lot more interested in the locations you get to visit than anything else, but I might as well just check the wiki.

Maybe after a year or so, once it's come down in price a bit, I'll reconsider it.

It'll cost you about AU$75 on steam right now.

Having said that, the only thing I liked about Bioshock was the fact that I know someone called Andrew Ryan. Which was pretty funny.

The rest was a bit bleh.

Good point. Thing is, I usually only use Steam for indie games or older games. If I'm going to pick up something brand new and a little more mainstream, I'd rather pay for something a little more tangible. Besides, I don't think my broadband would cope if I only ever used Steam.

EDIT: Also, hehe, funny about knowing someone called Andrew Ryan. My first name's Andrew and my second name's Ryan. *checks Funkysandwich's location* Err, I don't know you, do I?

Do you live in Australia?

Must be pretty awesome being the evil overlord of your own underwater art-deco city.

Well, until you died, that is

Hehe, I live in Melbourne :)

Yeah, the whole dying thing was a bit of a setback in my education, but it's nice that 2K decided to make a game chronicling my life achievements, even if I don't quite remember them...

Russ Pitts:

Chipperz:
Out of interest, what's the multiplayer like? I love the idea of creating my own splicer and then fighting for dominance in a setting as awesome as Rapture...

We'll be publishing a multi-player review shortly, once Jordan has had some time with the game.

I may have missed it in the review how long is a typical single-player campaign last? As well how is the story line in your opinion?

Crimson_Dragoon:
Liked the first one and am glad to hear the second is just as good.

On a related tangent, am I the only one that noticed they included a score (4 out of 5 stars) at the bottom. That's new for their reviews and I'm not sure I like it. I always respected the Escapist for not putting in an arbitrary score (which people will just argue over).

Finally someone else noticed; seriously why the scores? I thought the escapist argued that converting a complex opinion into numbers was just pointless.

bladeofdarkness:
is it just me
or does anyone else feel like the phrase "area defense" is a euphemism for "escort mission" ?

NO!

Escort missions are the bane of a any gamer because of the idiotic AI but most of all the idiotic PATHfinding AI and having to stumble through an area at a different pace than you're comfortable with because of some stupid NPC.

Area defence can be bad, but not escort mission bad.

good review... BUT I wonder what Yahtzee would say about it.

Not sure I get what your problem with the Voice acting is there Russ.
You used Sinclair because he's a Stereo typed southerner. But its worth noting that pretty much every character in bioshock Has been a stereo type.

Atlas. Stereotypical Irishman
Fontaine. Stereotypical Gangster who says "Mother Goose"
Tenenbaum. Stereotypical German Maid
etc etc

I just bought the game and so far this review is very accurate. Bioshock 2 feels a lot like the first one and that's fine for me because I loved the first game to death.

Ok, having played through more of the game, I finally figured out the best way to describe BioShock 2.

Ok, remember what the later levels of BioShock were like? After you were used to Rapture and Splicers and audio diaries, and the whole rest of it? Levels like Apollo Square and Hephaestus (which I have undoubtedly just spelled wrong). That's what BioShock 2 feels like. It's BioShock, minus the ZOMG of having just discovered this new and wonderful environment.

Make of that what you will.

In the BBC's review of Bioshock 2, Yahtzee's Bioshock review gets mentioned in it(1:08): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nwqaICKtvQ&feature=related

Gametrailers in an 8 minutes review put the biggest 2 seconds spoiler... and ruined the game for most of those who seen it... including myself.
I still haven't read or seen a decent review about the multiplayer, though I'm not that interested in it, it would be know if it will be giggles and lulz or simply mayhem... or giggles and mayhem =D
I liked this review, it seems most people is starting to agree that the campaign doesn't gives a different feeling from the first. Not that I complain, but some people possibly will find it flaw.

Susan Arendt:
Ok, having played through more of the game, I finally figured out the best way to describe BioShock 2.

Ok, remember what the later levels of BioShock were like? After you were used to Rapture and Splicers and audio diaries, and the whole rest of it? Levels like Apollo Square and Hephaestus (which I have undoubtedly just spelled wrong). That's what BioShock 2 feels like. It's BioShock, minus the ZOMG of having just discovered this new and wonderful environment.

Make of that what you will.

This is absolutely the best way to describe it to someone who already played Bioshock. For some it will mean good, for some bad, but it will fit them all.

I'm playing it now (well, not literally now...but you know what I mean). The Big Daddy suit just sucks. I mean, it's an interesting concept but it really takes away from the suspense of the first game where I was just a normal guy. Now I'm a killing machine with a gigantic drill. No real suspense yet. :/

rory12345:
In the BBC's review of Bioshock 2, Yahtzee's Bioshock review gets mentioned in it(1:08): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nwqaICKtvQ&feature=related

i apologise on behalf of my country.

Cliff_m85:
I'm playing it now (well, not literally now...but you know what I mean). The Big Daddy suit just sucks. I mean, it's an interesting concept but it really takes away from the suspense of the first game where I was just a normal guy. Now I'm a killing machine with a gigantic drill. No real suspense yet. :/

and that's the only thing that's making me think twice about it, in the first game you were stumbling onto everything by chance, now... well maybe the benefit is that the story can seem more driven during the early stages, i'm trying to media blackout myself so when i finally play it i can work it out as i go along.

Also, to all the people complaining about Bioshock's gameplay, how many FPS single player games are actually better? The only games I can think were Deus Ex games, System Shock 2(which I unfortunately haven't played but maybe if I played it I would feel the same way that some of the people that criticize Bioshock for being "shallow.") and Thief games...

That's the thing, those games all came out before Bioshock. It's not that Bioshock is a bad game or something, it's got a lot of great things going for it, but it still felt like it could be a lot better, and I'm just not going to get excited over a sequel if it's just more of the same. I'll buy it when it goes down in price and I'll enjoy it, but I'll be missing System Shock 2 the whole time.

Andronicus:

Funkysandwich:

Andronicus:

Funkysandwich:

Andronicus:
I still don't know if I'll bother picking this up. If it's more of the same then, while the same is good, I don't think it constitutes shelling out AU$100+ for it. I liked Bioshock one, but I guess I really didn't like it that much. I'm a lot more interested in the locations you get to visit than anything else, but I might as well just check the wiki.

Maybe after a year or so, once it's come down in price a bit, I'll reconsider it.

It'll cost you about AU$75 on steam right now.

Having said that, the only thing I liked about Bioshock was the fact that I know someone called Andrew Ryan. Which was pretty funny.

The rest was a bit bleh.

Good point. Thing is, I usually only use Steam for indie games or older games. If I'm going to pick up something brand new and a little more mainstream, I'd rather pay for something a little more tangible. Besides, I don't think my broadband would cope if I only ever used Steam.

EDIT: Also, hehe, funny about knowing someone called Andrew Ryan. My first name's Andrew and my second name's Ryan. *checks Funkysandwich's location* Err, I don't know you, do I?

Do you live in Australia?

Must be pretty awesome being the evil overlord of your own underwater art-deco city.

Well, until you died, that is

Hehe, I live in Melbourne :)

Yeah, the whole dying thing was a bit of a setback in my education, but it's nice that 2K decided to make a game chronicling my life achievements, even if I don't quite remember them...

You're messing with me. You've got to be. Which suburb?

I'd like to point out that the little sister stays on your shoulder while you find the corpse for her to drain the adam from. No escort involved, just a short battle while she is draining them. I honestly think the voice action is just as good so far, though I'm only on the 4th area, Sofia Lamb and Augustus Sinclair are good characters. I'm no Bioshock fanboy, I love the game, but I can see it's faults. I think that 2 has vastly improved some aspects of the game, the hacking no longer disrupts the flow of battle, and the remote hacking is very satisfying. I believe that they weren't going so much for impending dread in this game, being new to the world, alone and afraid, not knowing who to trust, as much as they are trying to make you feel powerful. Yes, it detracts from the difficulty, but I'm not playing the game for a challenge, I want the story and atmosphere, and they have captured being a raging big daddy searching the city for his long lost little sister very well. Yes, you can say it's not as good as System Shock 2, and don't get me wrong, I love that game as well, but it just wouldn't work on a console, and really I'm kind of glad that they didn't try to do that.

Funkysandwich:

Andronicus:

Funkysandwich:

Andronicus:

Funkysandwich:

Andronicus:
I still don't know if I'll bother picking this up. If it's more of the same then, while the same is good, I don't think it constitutes shelling out AU$100+ for it. I liked Bioshock one, but I guess I really didn't like it that much. I'm a lot more interested in the locations you get to visit than anything else, but I might as well just check the wiki.

Maybe after a year or so, once it's come down in price a bit, I'll reconsider it.

It'll cost you about AU$75 on steam right now.

Having said that, the only thing I liked about Bioshock was the fact that I know someone called Andrew Ryan. Which was pretty funny.

The rest was a bit bleh.

Good point. Thing is, I usually only use Steam for indie games or older games. If I'm going to pick up something brand new and a little more mainstream, I'd rather pay for something a little more tangible. Besides, I don't think my broadband would cope if I only ever used Steam.

EDIT: Also, hehe, funny about knowing someone called Andrew Ryan. My first name's Andrew and my second name's Ryan. *checks Funkysandwich's location* Err, I don't know you, do I?

Do you live in Australia?

Must be pretty awesome being the evil overlord of your own underwater art-deco city.

Well, until you died, that is

Hehe, I live in Melbourne :)

Yeah, the whole dying thing was a bit of a setback in my education, but it's nice that 2K decided to make a game chronicling my life achievements, even if I don't quite remember them...

You're messing with me. You've got to be. Which suburb?

Belgrave. D'you live anywhere around here?

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