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hyperdrachen:
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Wait... what? Did you just take my post and turned everything I said around on me even though I was right? o.O

Okay I'll start again more specific:

The issue with the Credit Card was that he ordered something (e.g. a game) and couldn't pay up in time because of a miscalculation. If you don't believe me try it... buy something and mistakingly give them the wrong Paypal or CC Information and see what happens to your account:

There's actually a page listing up the details of when they disable accounts I found: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5406-WFZC-5519

It lists:

Piracy or Hacking
This includes using an unauthorized ("hacked") Steam client to access Steam, attempting to register fake CD Keys or attempting to register a CD Key which has been published on the internet.
Payment Fraud
Any fraudulent credit card use, credit card chargebacks, or Paypal chargebacks (regardless of when the transaction occurred).
Redeeming Fraudulent Gifts
Never accept a gift from an unknown user. Any accounts tied to a redeemed gift from a fraudulent source may be disabled.
Hijacking or Sharing Accounts
Do not use Steam accounts which you did not create.
Account "Phishing" and Deliberately Deceptive Activity
This includes contacting other users outside of Steam or over the Friends network under a misleading screen name or e-mail address (i.e. "Steam Admin", "VAC Administrator", "You Won Free Game Gift") and requesting password or account information.
Buying, Selling, or Trading Accounts
Accounts which have been bought, sold or traded will be disabled. This includes any other accounts in your possession at the time of the sale or trade, regardless of whether those accounts were also sold or not.
Violating Steam's Subscriber Agreement or Rules of Online Conduct
Please see the Steam Subscriber Agreement and Online Code of Conduct if you have any questions about the policies which govern Steam account use and account termination.

Remember they don't only make the Account "inactive" but actually disable it, literally making all the money and time you spent on the games go *poof* because you cannot login anymore after that (unless you clear up the issue)... they can't do that if you own the games phsyically, I don't think they would burn down your house because of it xD
In some cases when say someone Hijacks your account and does any of that using it, it is up to you to prove to Steam that it wasn't actually you or you are how to say... fucked

Lastly? Ordering unreleased games from amazon? Wonder if these 'fell off a truck' further the release dates are legally binding so somone might "Think" this is breaking the rules. That might account for the price gap. Sorry this clashes hard with your anger at steams rules.

I clearly stated they are Pre-Orders... You can Pre-Order games on Steam and on Amazon (directly, no resellers), STEAM always is considerably more expensive, I see that you don't seem to believe me or take me by the word so here are a few examples:
Use the currency converter at http://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/ (always Up-2-Date) to check the prices, at the moment 1 GBP equals ~1.15 €

Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (29€ on Amazon and 50€ on Steam)

Aliens vs. Predator (20€ on Amazon and 50€ on Steam)

Bioshock 2 (25€ on Amazon and 50€ on Steam)

Borderlands (15€ NEW over Resellers on Amazon and 50€ on Steam

Dragon Age: Origins (17€ on Amazon and 50€ on Steam

Mass Effect 2 (30€ on Amazon and 50€ on Steam

Batman: Arkham Asylum (20€ NEW over Resellers on Amazon and 50€ on Steam

Heck, even their own Orange Box is much cheaper (12€ on Amazon and 30€ on Steam

They're all new and sigilated... I don't buy used games AND you pay for the actual medium, handbook and everything else while Steam should be cheaper cause there is no material cost..., if you for some reason still don't believe me just check yourself with any game you want lol
This is Europe mind you, it is probably the same in the US but I don't know of any Shops or Sites to check because I don't buy from there... also Valve also gets a large portion of the price like any other retailer

Dexter111:

hyperdrachen:
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Wait... what? Did you just take my post and turned everything I said around on me even though I was right? o.O

Okay I'll start again more specific:

The issue with the Credit Card was that he ordered something (e.g. a game) and couldn't pay up in time because of a miscalculation. If you don't believe me try it... buy something and mistakingly give them the wrong Paypal or CC Information and see what happens to your account:

There's actually a page listing up the details of when they disable accounts I found: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5406-WFZC-5519

It lists:

Piracy or Hacking
This includes using an unauthorized ("hacked") Steam client to access Steam, attempting to register fake CD Keys or attempting to register a CD Key which has been published on the internet.
Payment Fraud
Any fraudulent credit card use, credit card chargebacks, or Paypal chargebacks (regardless of when the transaction occurred).
Redeeming Fraudulent Gifts
Never accept a gift from an unknown user. Any accounts tied to a redeemed gift from a fraudulent source may be disabled.
Hijacking or Sharing Accounts
Do not use Steam accounts which you did not create.
Account "Phishing" and Deliberately Deceptive Activity
This includes contacting other users outside of Steam or over the Friends network under a misleading screen name or e-mail address (i.e. "Steam Admin", "VAC Administrator", "You Won Free Game Gift") and requesting password or account information.
Buying, Selling, or Trading Accounts
Accounts which have been bought, sold or traded will be disabled. This includes any other accounts in your possession at the time of the sale or trade, regardless of whether those accounts were also sold or not.
Violating Steam's Subscriber Agreement or Rules of Online Conduct
Please see the Steam Subscriber Agreement and Online Code of Conduct if you have any questions about the policies which govern Steam account use and account termination.

Remember they don't only make the Account "inactive" but actually disable it, literally making all the money and time you spent on the games go *poof* because you cannot login anymore after that (unless you clear up the issue)... they can't do that if you own the games phsyically, I don't think they would burn down your house because of it xD
In some cases when say someone Hijacks your account and does any of that using it, it is up to you to prove to Steam that it wasn't actually you or you are how to say... fucked

Lastly? Ordering unreleased games from amazon? Wonder if these 'fell off a truck' further the release dates are legally binding so somone might "Think" this is breaking the rules. That might account for the price gap. Sorry this clashes hard with your anger at steams rules.

I clearly stated they are Pre-Orders... You can Pre-Order games on Steam and on Amazon (directly, no resellers), STEAM always is considerably more expensive, I see that you don't seem to believe me or take me by the word so here are a few examples:
Use the currency converter at http://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/ (always Up-2-Date) to check the prices, at the moment 1 GBP equals ~1.15 €

Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (29€ on Amazon and 50€ on Steam)

Aliens vs. Predator (20€ on Amazon and 50€ on Steam)

Bioshock 2 (25€ on Amazon and 50€ on Steam)

Borderlands (15€ NEW over Resellers on Amazon and 50€ on Steam

Dragon Age: Origins (17€ on Amazon and 50€ on Steam

Mass Effect 2 (30€ on Amazon and 50€ on Steam

Batman: Arkham Asylum (20€ NEW over Resellers on Amazon and 50€ on Steam

Heck, even their own Orange Box is much cheaper (12€ on Amazon and 30€ on Steam

They're all new and sigilated... I don't buy used games AND you pay for the actual medium, handbook and everything else while Steam should be cheaper cause there is no material cost..., if you for some reason still don't believe me just check yourself with any game you want lol
This is Europe mind you, it is probably the same in the US but I don't know of any Shops or Sites to check because I don't buy from there... also Valve also gets a large portion of the price like any other retailer

I appreciate the clarity but for 1 the entire list of violations you gave me seem completely legitimate to me. I already acknowledged your gripe about then denying you access to your games that you've already bought but even passed the fact your informed of that in the ToS, I personally would have expected that for the noted violations. The CC one sounds a bit harsh as you described it I would think generally insufficient funds would cause a denial of sale.

But on the account hi-jacking, as I've said on the forums of MMOs I play, spare me. The boogiemen out there using thier Movie Hacker skills to steal your info is so rarely the actual case. These hackers are generally clan members or so called friends that people give thier account info to, and in turn they abuse it. Totally understandable for an account based service to scrutinize a claim that it was somone else abusing your acount not you.

As far as the prices go, It is not the same in the US, not even remotley I can only assume this has to do with some sort of shortcomming on Valves part to offer the prices your Euro based distributors can. PC games are hard to come by here, the more console focused gamestores stock only the big PC exclusives, and the PC stores have miserable stock, and know not what a price drop is, games wise. For instance I stepped into Tech Advanced, local hardware store, to find Command and Conquer 3, for $60, can be had on steam for $20.

It certainly sounds like theyre failing to be competitive in Europe, and for that shame on them. But I don't support most of the policy end of your argument, aside from what sounds to me like a system in need of refinement of thier billing department. Your presented list of bannable offenses don't seem like a problem to me. I cannot speak for them past thier written state, niether I or anyone I know, have been wronged by them.

Lastly this began from a cry for me for proper digital distro on next gen consoles. Of course I don't want some failboat system that jacks your games if you cursed at somone, or some other arbitrary violation. But digital distro affords alot of advantage to devs, and people with demands like myself. I want the option there. I'm not proposing it be shoved down others throat. From what your telling me steams a big dissapointment on your side of the pond, but over here it mostly seems like the hackers crackers, and retailers have a problem. For me its been great for my PC gaming. I appologize for assuming that your examples of account stripping unjustly were the same excuses I've heard from people that I personally know cheat the system on a regular basis with CC scams and game cracks. That's just my bad.

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