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lordlee:
It's almost certain you have no idea what any of those titles but Final Fantasy 5 are. None of their stories are remotely alike, same with the gameplay.

Ahem

Fire Emblem - Fantasy-Style game where the main character has a sword and wild hair

Final Fantasy V - Fantasy-Style game where the main character has a sword and wild hair

Tales of Symphonia (or the Tales Series in general) - Fantasy-Style game where the main character has a sword and wild hair

Soul Nomad - Fantasy-Style game where the main character has a sword and wild hair

JaredXE:

lordlee:
It's almost certain you have no idea what any of those titles but Final Fantasy 5 are. None of their stories are remotely alike, same with the gameplay.

Ahem

Fire Emblem - Fantasy-Style game where the main character has a sword and wild hair

Final Fantasy V - Fantasy-Style game where the main character has a sword and wild hair

Tales of Symphonia (or the Tales Series in general) - Fantasy-Style game where the main character has a sword and wild hair

Soul Nomad - Fantasy-Style game where the main character has a sword and wild hair

You are confirmed to have not played a single one.

Well, except Tales of Symphonia. That actually is fair.

I know it doesn't cleanly fit under FPS, but...

B-b-b-but Killer7...

FatherSpleen:
I know it doesn't cleanly fit under FPS, but...

B-b-b-but Killer7...

Killer7 is japanese-made though.

Dectilon:

FatherSpleen:
I know it doesn't cleanly fit under FPS, but...

B-b-b-but Killer7...

Killer7 is japanese-made though.

It's also fucking awesome.

lordlee:

whycantibelinus:

lordlee:

It's almost certain you have no idea what any of those titles but Final Fantasy 5 are. None of their stories are remotely alike, same with the gameplay.

Ok. So being a generalizing person such as Movie Bob apparently is those four are essentially late teens/early twenties people who's world is slowly dying/about to be conquered by a long lost thought to be defeated enemy, said people must assemble team, be imbued with some sort of weapon/soul/knowledge in order to save world from complete and utter destruction.

In a nut shell. Granted there is more to the stories than that, but I'm giving them just about as much chance as Movie Bob gave Halo. Just being fair here.

Playing a game and finding the plot bland is not the same as taking a number of games and arbitrarily slapping some cliches on them without playing them.

Moviebob's treatment of Halo is also not relevant to what you and I were talking about.

I notice you didn't disagree with my cliche's though. How do you know Movie Bob has played the western games that he ripped a new one? He didn't say whether he did or not, just started talking a bunch of shit about them saying the plot was bland and the characters are one dimensional. If he had played Gears of War he would know that Marcus Fenix is not a one dimensional character, he is very emotionally damaged and isn't really in the military just to kick some alien ass. Master Chief isn't really one dimensional either despite appearances. Even though he was raised to follow orders and such, through his friendship with Cortana and other characters in the games/books he isn't just following orders, he is doing what he needs to do in order to save his friends. So it would lead me to believe that Movie Bob is one of three things 1) Has never played the games he tore up. 2) Is extremely ignorant of plot/character development in FPS's/TPS's. 3) Just hates Western games that much that he can't stand the sight or thought of them and refuses to believe that any of them can be good.

That's my opinion. Clearly I'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine. You're just doing what I was doing when I originally commented in this thread, defending something you like because you feel it has been wrongfully accused of being shallow and limited.

I was playing Halo campaign split screen with a friend once because his internet connection was down, and he pounded the "skip cutscene" button once, and I was all, "Dude, what the hell? Let me hear the story!" and he gave me a look like I just asked him to take his pants off. I'd love to watch this with him. He'd be looking for the "skip" button the whole damn time.

Nice review, Bob. Wasn't expecting this, though. Although it does beat Alice in Wonderland, a movie which I will probably develop a fanatical fanboy love for once I see it.

Seriously, it's my favorite director, favorite actor, and favorite composer all in one place. I gotta love it.

Oh, and Worgen?

Worgen:
sounds like I expected

I just wanted to say I love your avatar.

whycantibelinus:

lordlee:

whycantibelinus:

lordlee:

It's almost certain you have no idea what any of those titles but Final Fantasy 5 are. None of their stories are remotely alike, same with the gameplay.

Ok. So being a generalizing person such as Movie Bob apparently is those four are essentially late teens/early twenties people who's world is slowly dying/about to be conquered by a long lost thought to be defeated enemy, said people must assemble team, be imbued with some sort of weapon/soul/knowledge in order to save world from complete and utter destruction.

In a nut shell. Granted there is more to the stories than that, but I'm giving them just about as much chance as Movie Bob gave Halo. Just being fair here.

Playing a game and finding the plot bland is not the same as taking a number of games and arbitrarily slapping some cliches on them without playing them.

Moviebob's treatment of Halo is also not relevant to what you and I were talking about.

I notice you didn't disagree with my cliche's though. How do you know Movie Bob has played the western games that he ripped a new one? He didn't say whether he did or not, just started talking a bunch of shit about them saying the plot was bland and the characters are one dimensional. If he had played Gears of War he would know that Marcus Fenix is not a one dimensional character, he is very emotionally damaged and isn't really in the military just to kick some alien ass. Master Chief isn't really one dimensional either despite appearances. Even though he was raised to follow orders and such, through his friendship with Cortana and other characters in the games/books he isn't just following orders, he is doing what he needs to do in order to save his friends. So it would lead me to believe that Movie Bob is one of three things 1) Has never played the games he tore up. 2) Is extremely ignorant of plot/character development in FPS's/TPS's. 3) Just hates Western games that much that he can't stand the sight or thought of them and refuses to believe that any of them can be good.

That's my opinion. Clearly I'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine. You're just doing what I was doing when I originally commented in this thread, defending something you like because you feel it has been wrongfully accused of being shallow and limited.

He's touched on this sort of thing in his other series (The Game Overthinker).

And I DON'T disagree on the cliches, I just don't feel like arguing with you when you clearly aren't willing to actually DISCUSS the matter, unlike the guy from the previous page.

lordlee:
You are confirmed to have not played a single one.

Well, except Tales of Symphonia. That actually is fair.

Nope, pretty spot on in my assessment

Soul Nomad and the World Eaters is a tactical RPG IN A FANTASY WORLD(well, kinda dystopic too) and the Main protagonist is a young man with odd hair and a long black sword.

Fire Emblem is a tactical RPG IN A FANTASY WORLD where the main protagonist has slightly spikey and weird hair(depending on which game and which main character) and uses a sword

Final Fantasy V is a turn-based RPG IN A FANTASY WORLD where the main protagonist is a man with overstylized hair and primarily wields a sword. And there is a job system.

Other than Soul Nomad, which I have played, I own all of the above.

JaredXE:

lordlee:
You are confirmed to have not played a single one.

Well, except Tales of Symphonia. That actually is fair.

Nope, pretty spot on in my assessment

Soul Nomad and the World Eaters is a tactical RPG IN A FANTASY WORLD(well, kinda dystopic too) and the Main protagonist is a young man with odd hair and a long black sword.

Fire Emblem is a tactical RPG IN A FANTASY WORLD where the main protagonist has slightly spikey and weird hair(depending on which game and which main character) and uses a sword

Final Fantasy V is a turn-based RPG IN A FANTASY WORLD where the main protagonist is a man with overstylized hair and primarily wields a sword. And there is a job system.

Other than Soul Nomad, which I have played, I own all of the above.

Except Revya (I am genuinely surprised you played Soul Nomad though, that game sold like crap) and Eliwood (I was specifically talking about 7) are just redheads with bowl cuts, and Bartz is just a brunette (though I don't know his hairstyle, being a sprite).

Not denying they're fantasy games (I already mentioned that) or that the main characters use swords.

But this is just stripping games down to their bare bones, ignoring the real details (which are what matters).

Actually, this is the exact behavior that Moviebob mentioned in his article last week.

lordlee:

whycantibelinus:

lordlee:

whycantibelinus:

lordlee:

It's almost certain you have no idea what any of those titles but Final Fantasy 5 are. None of their stories are remotely alike, same with the gameplay.

Ok. So being a generalizing person such as Movie Bob apparently is those four are essentially late teens/early twenties people who's world is slowly dying/about to be conquered by a long lost thought to be defeated enemy, said people must assemble team, be imbued with some sort of weapon/soul/knowledge in order to save world from complete and utter destruction.

In a nut shell. Granted there is more to the stories than that, but I'm giving them just about as much chance as Movie Bob gave Halo. Just being fair here.

Playing a game and finding the plot bland is not the same as taking a number of games and arbitrarily slapping some cliches on them without playing them.

Moviebob's treatment of Halo is also not relevant to what you and I were talking about.

I notice you didn't disagree with my cliche's though. How do you know Movie Bob has played the western games that he ripped a new one? He didn't say whether he did or not, just started talking a bunch of shit about them saying the plot was bland and the characters are one dimensional. If he had played Gears of War he would know that Marcus Fenix is not a one dimensional character, he is very emotionally damaged and isn't really in the military just to kick some alien ass. Master Chief isn't really one dimensional either despite appearances. Even though he was raised to follow orders and such, through his friendship with Cortana and other characters in the games/books he isn't just following orders, he is doing what he needs to do in order to save his friends. So it would lead me to believe that Movie Bob is one of three things 1) Has never played the games he tore up. 2) Is extremely ignorant of plot/character development in FPS's/TPS's. 3) Just hates Western games that much that he can't stand the sight or thought of them and refuses to believe that any of them can be good.

That's my opinion. Clearly I'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine. You're just doing what I was doing when I originally commented in this thread, defending something you like because you feel it has been wrongfully accused of being shallow and limited.

He's touched on this sort of thing in his other series (The Game Overthinker).

And I DON'T disagree on the cliches, I just don't feel like arguing with you when you clearly aren't willing to actually DISCUSS the matter, unlike the guy from the previous page.

Just because I won't agree with you? Ok, I mean I thought my whole wall of text was part of a discussion but apparently not, and I already addressed why this is going nowhere, You're just as stubborn as me. So I bid you farewell.

lordlee:
Bartz is just a brunette (though I don't know his hairstyle, being a sprite).

Amano's character designs, always fun to see how they were drawn before pixelization.

whycantibelinus:

lordlee:

whycantibelinus:

lordlee:

whycantibelinus:

lordlee:

It's almost certain you have no idea what any of those titles but Final Fantasy 5 are. None of their stories are remotely alike, same with the gameplay.

Ok. So being a generalizing person such as Movie Bob apparently is those four are essentially late teens/early twenties people who's world is slowly dying/about to be conquered by a long lost thought to be defeated enemy, said people must assemble team, be imbued with some sort of weapon/soul/knowledge in order to save world from complete and utter destruction.

In a nut shell. Granted there is more to the stories than that, but I'm giving them just about as much chance as Movie Bob gave Halo. Just being fair here.

Playing a game and finding the plot bland is not the same as taking a number of games and arbitrarily slapping some cliches on them without playing them.

Moviebob's treatment of Halo is also not relevant to what you and I were talking about.

I notice you didn't disagree with my cliche's though. How do you know Movie Bob has played the western games that he ripped a new one? He didn't say whether he did or not, just started talking a bunch of shit about them saying the plot was bland and the characters are one dimensional. If he had played Gears of War he would know that Marcus Fenix is not a one dimensional character, he is very emotionally damaged and isn't really in the military just to kick some alien ass. Master Chief isn't really one dimensional either despite appearances. Even though he was raised to follow orders and such, through his friendship with Cortana and other characters in the games/books he isn't just following orders, he is doing what he needs to do in order to save his friends. So it would lead me to believe that Movie Bob is one of three things 1) Has never played the games he tore up. 2) Is extremely ignorant of plot/character development in FPS's/TPS's. 3) Just hates Western games that much that he can't stand the sight or thought of them and refuses to believe that any of them can be good.

That's my opinion. Clearly I'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine. You're just doing what I was doing when I originally commented in this thread, defending something you like because you feel it has been wrongfully accused of being shallow and limited.

He's touched on this sort of thing in his other series (The Game Overthinker).

And I DON'T disagree on the cliches, I just don't feel like arguing with you when you clearly aren't willing to actually DISCUSS the matter, unlike the guy from the previous page.

Just because I won't agree with you? Ok, I mean I thought my whole wall of text was part of a discussion but apparently not, and I already addressed why this is going nowhere, You're just as stubborn as me. So I bid you farewell.

That's not discussing, that's placing Moviebob's views on me and generalizing games you haven't played. I already said he was making omissions. You are, in effect, having a completely different conversation than I am.

JaredXE:

lordlee:
Bartz is just a brunette (though I don't know his hairstyle, being a sprite).

Amano's character designs, always fun to see how they were drawn before pixelization.

*has just looked up Amano's designs for 5*
Dear god I hate that man. Nomura was a big step up.

Yoshida is better than either one though.

Now, I wonder if Japan is going to make anime shorts of Bioshock? That would be awesome, think about it one story wold be about how Ryan left Russia and went to america where he found the Parasites, and another story of Tenenbaums time during the prison camps to where she found the sea slugs and created the little sisters, and storys of Ryans debates with Dr Lamb, and to top it off the fight over at Fontaine Futureistics where Fontaine made his "last stand".

As much as I've liked your previous reviews, the way you composed this one and your comments contained within have very clearly shown that you're as much a "Japan fanboy" as Halo fans are "Halo fanboys". Your views have come off very elitist and "grognardy" for reasons I don't want to touch fully on for lack of relevance. You frequently imply that by the very virtue of becoming an anime, Halo becomes inherently better. This is as silly as it is untrue. Regardless of what you think of Halo, there is as much regurgitated, copy-paste rehashing done with fiction in other countries as there is in America. Your glasses may be pink-tinted because of how much you like Naruto or somesuch thing, but the fact remains that it's one of a million different manga lines that are nearly exactly the same.

Japan is exotic to you. It is not exotic to some others, and this gives us the ability to see how lopsided your views truly are in this particular instance.

Review movies, it's your strong suit.

OMFG MONSTER RANCHERS! What happened to that?

lordlee:

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You forgot Torment which is better than the lot of those and was made by black isle studio no less.

I forgot to mention that a lot of those are still good games except fire emblem and soul nomad I haven't played and cant say for sure.

lordlee:

JaredXE:

lordlee:
Bartz is just a brunette (though I don't know his hairstyle, being a sprite).

Amano's character designs, always fun to see how they were drawn before pixelization.

*has just looked up Amano's designs for 5*
Dear god I hate that man. Nomura was a big step up.

Having just bought FFV, I agree with you, his portraits are the worst thing about the game (though unfortunately, I haven't really been engaged by it yet). The "hurr durr androgyny shemales" thing I detest so much is actually accurate there.

Also, I mentioned this to Doug earlier, but with all the people accusing Moviebob of being a Japanophile I must link to his 9 review: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/924-9
Putting the "liking Japanese things=weeaboo" crap so many here spew aside, he is not the rabid Japanophile so many of you think he is.

So, your general statement is, "its anime, thus Japanese, therefore good." Thanks, I hate anime, so I won't be checking this out

Woohoo, Enders Game reference. Woohoo! Saving Private Ryan reference.

OT: Leave Halo alooone! Funny review.

sunpop:

lordlee:

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You forgot Torment which is better than the lot of those and was made by black isle studio no less.

I forgot to mention that a lot of those are still good games except fire emblem and soul nomad I haven't played and cant say for sure.

Soul Nomad and Fire Emblem are the best games in that picture.

And I haven't played Torment, nor do I intend do, everyone tells me that KOTOR 2's story was the same but better. Considering that they were both penned by Chris, I wouldn't be surprised. More than that though I just have other things I'm more interested in at the moment. Maybe someday.

Snowalker:
So, your general statement is, "its anime, thus Japanese, therefore good." Thanks, I hate anime, so I won't be checking this out

Except that he explicitly stated that they weren't all good.

Also
>implying you can hate a whole medium
>implying you didn't just watch an episode of DBZ and an episode of Sailor Moon before declaring all anime the same

ANYWAY, all of this aside:
I found Halo 1 a fun game, and found 2 and 3 shit. Didn't bother with ODST and Wars. Legends sounds interesting, might give it a watch sometimes.

Halo needs to die... Halo 1-3 where fun enough games, and thats all, nothing special. Ok riding through ppl in the Ghosts and watching them fall in ammusing ways. But I still can't see why they keep making more games... Halo ODST was one of the worst FPS games I have ever played, and yet it was voted the best game 2009 in the Guinis Game records thingy book. This reminds me a lot of the Matrix, the first film was realy good, so time-warner decided to employ a synergy tactic in order to milk the cult following for all they where worth. They relesed a game, and online game, advertised in time magazine, sold the game and fim through AOL which they just merged with, and in almost an identical twist also made a serise of short anime cartoons "The Animatrix". The result was a film filled with plot holes so you watched the anime, played the game, and so on, and when you did. It was terrible! This is what Halo is doing now, and its going 2 ruin the whole serise sonic style. Quit while your ahead, and keep some dignity would be my oppinion.

Alright, I'm going to say it before any assumptions come up. Yes, I'm a Halo Fanboy. BUT. I'm a Halo Story fanboy. Sure, Multiplayer can stir up some lawl, but I love the storyline.

Now, this, this...is just terrible. Make fun of me all you want, but I know a good Halo storyline. Duel: no, not the whole Japanese culture thing, cool concept, but not Halo. +Gundam sized Hunters just don't work. +1 for the cool art style.

Babysitter: Meh, not bad, but not good. A but cliche. I know of the female SPARTANs, (I mean, come on, Kelly is a badass in FoR.) But the long, flowing hair doesn't work, SPARTAN's were ordered to have stort hair. Nor longer than a stubble.

Origins: Okay, you can figure all this out if you read the Terminals in Halo 3, but whatever.

Prototype: Tie on the best. Story was a BIT blah, but it had a good Halo feel. Good "Humanity's loosing, what now?" Thing.

Homecoming: Other tie, but barely. The darker take was good, and the ending was realy good. but SPARTAN's would never rebel at that stage of training. The whole training prevents that. Any sign of rebellion, and they usually "lose them." But the take was a good concept, that, for the most part, was executed pretty well.

Odd one out: Oh please god....No......If you want to parady it, leave it on the internet. With other parodies. There is nothing I HATE more than loud, screamy, running around anime.

Packege: meh... Good visuals, terrible voice acting.

YewrickMybarrs:
As much as I've liked your previous reviews, the way you composed this one and your comments contained within have very clearly shown that you're as much a "Japan fanboy" as Halo fans are "Halo fanboys". Your views have come off very elitist and "grognardy" for reasons I don't want to touch fully on for lack of relevance. You frequently imply that by the very virtue of becoming an anime, Halo becomes inherently better. This is as silly as it is untrue. Regardless of what you think of Halo, there is as much regurgitated, copy-paste rehashing done with fiction in other countries as there is in America. Your glasses may be pink-tinted because of how much you like Naruto or somesuch thing, but the fact remains that it's one of a million different manga lines that are nearly exactly the same.

Japan is exotic to you. It is not exotic to some others, and this gives us the ability to see how lopsided your views truly are in this particular instance.

Review movies, it's your strong suit.

Hmm, interesting statements there, though you may have to instantly lose points for that Naruto reference. I don't think that MovieBob was explicitly saying that Halo : Legends was any better than the Halo games solely due to the fact that it was anime. I imagine the point was that (especially with "Homecoming") the anime studios had managed to inject the characters in the game with more than a little personality than is normally present in the games. Let's face it after all, Master Chief (who I would loathe to actually act refer to as a character) has all the draw and personality as a bucket of ditchwater.

Adding some personality and humour can be no bad thing.

Also, the third and second last sentences in your post makes your views come off as very elitist and, dare I say it "grognardy" (I had to look that one up). But hey, it must make you feel clever to use a daft word that very few people are likely to know.

im still wondering when people who dont like halo will stop whining about halo, we get it, you think it sucks, now go back to your life, provided you havent destroied it by going overboard with your hatred of a game that most people you know, actually enjoy. its getting annoying really, but that said, i liked halo leagends, my only complaint was a few of the ships wernt the right ones >.> yes i read the books, they are actually pretty good. one of the ship was the pillar of autumn, which i thought was yknow, a hole in the side of a giant ring.

Oh NO FEMALE SPARTIAN AHHHH....

Fanboys, STFU!! When I heard about this I thought it was dream come true, something Halo related that is in anime form? OMFG!

Definity picking this one up.

I've watched a few of them, but my personal favorite so far is "the Package". The parody one (the one with the dinosaur) was stupid even for a parody and some of the anime styles were getting annoying.

ZeroMachine:

gamegod25:
I am a big Halo fan (but not fanboy tyvm) but I was very underwhelmed and disappointed by the episodes they showed on waypoint. The animation was only passable at best, the voice acting was bland, and the continuity very suspect.

And to Bob and anyone who is not a halo fan, Origins is a lie. It goes against everything you're told in the games. If you hoped for it to explain the Halo backstory for you then you were sadly misled. Even if you look over that it's still boring, ugly, and stupid.

How was it wrong? It's exactly right and goes with whats told in the games... the Flood invaded the Forerunner's society and the only way to stop it was to activate the Halos, killing all sentient life. Yeah, part two may have been a little off in how the ENTIRE Covenant worked with the humans to combat the Flood, but..

What single thing in the games contradicted what was told in Origins?

Sorry, man, but as a huge, HUGE fan of the Halo story (not the games as much as the books, but I still love it all), I have to call bullshit on that claim. Please elaborate.

Ok TBH I haven't seen the second part (no vidoes on youtube and long waiting period on netflix) so perhaps the second one makes more sense. Anyway my problem is that they said that humans are not forerunner. Everything in the games points to humans being forerunner, hell you're flat out told that by Guilty Spark, the Gravemind, and Truth.

But even ignoring all that it's still stupid. First of all the Halos were activated millenia before humanity (and most of the other races) showed up. It's not like only a few thousand years passed activation. Secondly, if their tech is so advanced why can't they make a weapon that only kills Flood or at least much more effective against it? I was willing to over look this in the games but does seem odd to me. And third, if you have the ability to preserve species from the Halos activation then why not do it for your entire race? That's like building a bomb shelter but only putting your pets inside.

As for the anime itself I found the art and animation lacking, what little action was slow and dull, and overall just not up to the quality I was expecting.

Good review. I'll check out the DVD. It seems interesting enough.

I completely agree with you on the idiocy of the Halo fan base. I'm a Halo fan and I can't stand the idiocy of the arguments that some fans put out there.

qbanknight:
interesting review, though you are very well justified in knocking the foamy-mouthed dickheaded group of people known as Halo Fans

Ummm, are you sure that's foam around their mouths?
Anyways, I might (kewyord MIGHT) rent this, if Mr Movie-Download-Addict Uncle doesn't get to it first.

flosy:
Halo ODST was one of the worst FPS games I have ever played,

Then I guess you haven't played many FPS because I can name plenty of games that are far worse.

Man, i can't wait for a Gears of War Anime, or a Modern Warfare 2 1/2 anime. Or a Police Academy Anime, or a Naked Gun Anim-

theres always been a female spartan infact (correct me if im wrong) theres about three or four...and they are women...so yea just sayin

As always, an excellent fucking episode, but I don't fully agree (omg someone that doesn't agree! what a shocker! lol). Anyway, I like the Halo story and find it interesting, but something about the whole anime style movies just made it totally uninteresting and unenjoyable for me. Halo was already kinda cheesy, but when you stack that total anime cheesieness (I love anime, by the way) ontop of more cheesieness, you just get an unappealing ball of cheese...that smells. I did think that "The Duel" was fucking awesome and "Odd Man Out" was a little funny, but honestly none of it caught my attention enough to make me feel motivated to watch it all the way through. I haven't seen "Homecoming" yet so I guess I shouldn't give it a final judgement just yet.

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