Context Sensitive: Who Is the PS3 For?

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Context Sensitive: Who Is the PS3 For?

Once again, the PlayStation 3 is suffering with an identity crisis.

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It isn't for everyone.

It's for everyone with a huge wallet

zing!

OT: Interesting read though. Although the Move almost seems better than the Wii in some ways. But I guess that doesn't excuse the fact that the PS3 should focus on lesser things.

Edit: Wait, I just came up with a reason as to why the Average Joe should by a PS3.

Because of Kevin Butler.

While I get more use out of my 360 on average, I must admit that I love my PS3 more... don't know why exactly, there's something "special" about loading a game onto it, I guess because I only pick up a select few titles for it, titles I KNOW are better on it and hence it feels more... I dunno, special than the 360. It's a strange thing really.

Yeah, it looks like the higher-ups in Sony are quite confused about who they should be selling this strange machine they built to. Every time one of them opens their mouth their feet quickly enters it.

I think the one reason Average J. Joe would want to buy a PS3 is because the console he already has is statistically likely to be a PS2. Then again, since the PS2 still has games being made for it, there's little reason for you to pay up to upgrade if it's still working well.

Then again, if I had to convince Average J. Joe to buy a PS3 instead a 360 I'd just mention it has free online play. That ought to do it.

(I have a 360, mostly because when I was deciding Saints' Row and Dead Rising were exclusives. The only PS3 only game I genuinely wish I could play is Heavy Rain, and even so so I can see what all the buzz is about.)

well i guess without it they can't really say "It only does everything"

The Random One:
Yeah, it looks like the higher-ups in Sony are quite confused about who they should be selling this strange machine they built to. Every time one of them opens their mouth their feet quickly enters it.

I think the one reason Average J. Joe would want to buy a PS3 is because the console he already has is statistically likely to be a PS2. Then again, since the PS2 still has games being made for it, there's little reason for you to pay up to upgrade if it's still working well.

Then again, if I had to convince Average J. Joe to buy a PS3 instead a 360 I'd just mention it has free online play. That ought to do it.

(I have a 360, mostly because when I was deciding Saints' Row and Dead Rising were exclusives. The only PS3 only game I genuinely wish I could play is Heavy Rain, and even so so I can see what all the buzz is about.)

Trust me, Heavy Rain is the most innovative game released in this century, because it has the power to be more like marmite, (in splitting opinions) than even marmite is. It is probably of the most emotional game releases for a while, focussing on very sensitive subjects, accompanied of course by pulse-raising, ferocious action sequences. Try to sneak a few hours on a friends PS3 if you can, this game is definitely not to be missed.

On subject, the PS3 is for people that want visceral, single-player experiences. PS3 is trumped in online, (Xbox Live is more advanced than PSN, naturally because of the year difference and the cost) but the PlayStation 3 offers, (for me, and presumably everyone else) the widest expanse of single-player experiences.

With the PS3 trying to be the Wii, I can't blame Sony for again appealing to the casual audience.

Of course PS2 did appeal to the casual audience with the eyetoy.

Susan Arendt:
At first, Sony presented it as an incredible piece of technology that would become the anchor piece of your entertainment center, so amazing in its capabilities that it was more than worth its $600 price tag.

While I completely agree that the purpose of the PS3 seems to be a constantly shifting focus, it appears to me that it's just an unfortunate side-product of this quote here. Being an owner of all current-gen consoles, I can tell you that the PS3 really does make an excellent piece of entertainment gear. The ability to stream or copy movies and music over from my PC, to the blu ray player, the movie service, it all adds up to quite a bit. I fought liking the PS3 as a gaming console for so long, that now that I'm actually finding decent games for it, I can't find a reason to hate it.

This dive into the motion controllers, however, just seems like an excuse to dust off those lousy eyetoy cameras again, and maybe make them sell. While it is interesting how they're kinda 1-uping Nintendo in certain aspects of capability and function, it's still going to end the same way, another gimmicky device with a library full of garbage shovelware, and maybe a couple of decent games thrown into the mix (half of which could be just as easily enjoyed, if not more so, with a standard controller).

Sometimes, there are certain aspects of gaming that don't require a lot of innovation, and I think this is something Sony has been struggling with, not quite understanding, for some time. Right now, what the PS3 absolutely needs, is some harder hitting titles to really identify itself as anything. As much as I love my PS3 these days, I see this as being the unfortunate truth.

uppitycracker:

Susan Arendt:
At first, Sony presented it as an incredible piece of technology that would become the anchor piece of your entertainment center, so amazing in its capabilities that it was more than worth its $600 price tag.

While I completely agree that the purpose of the PS3 seems to be a constantly shifting focus, it appears to me that it's just an unfortunate side-product of this quote here. Being an owner of all current-gen consoles, I can tell you that the PS3 really does make an excellent piece of entertainment gear. The ability to stream or copy movies and music over from my PC, to the blu ray player, the movie service, it all adds up to quite a bit. I fought liking the PS3 as a gaming console for so long, that now that I'm actually finding decent games for it, I can't find a reason to hate it.

Couldn't agree more. The PS3 is a marvelous piece of hardware, a worthy addition to any gamer's home. If only Sony had more confidence in it.

Ps3 for me just dont got the killer app, or least didn't until it was too late on account of havin a 360, that kinda hesitation will cost them sales

So, what does Natal say about XBox? I'd just like to know that the same standards are being applied.

It doesn't make sense to me to say Sony is confusing folks because they are following Wii with Move when MS is doing...the SAME thing with Natal.

Why is Sony described as "confused" for chasing the Wii's casual audience, when MS does the same thing?

Why was the press obsessed with Sony's motion controller name, and whether it was "exciting", but they've never asked MS to give us something other than the dev name?

I mean, come on, even the straw man in the article seems a bit out of bounds. Seriously, someone walks into a game store and we should believe they wouldn't be able to work out that the PS3 plays games? In my opinion, this so-called "identity crisis" is as much a factor of the (mostly western) press reaction as anything else. No, it doesn't matter that I'm a gamer. I was never confused about what I was buying. The people who I've recommended a PS3 to knew what they were getting (and so did the folks I recommended get a Wii or 360, BTW), a game machine that played the kind of games they wanted.

Where is the review of the XBox history? That machine seems a bit confused right now, as well. One example: they seem to have changed from "10 years is WAY too long for a console lifespan" to "well, you know, we think the XBox 360 will be around until 2015". THAT'S a reversal that has gone completely unnoticed by the western press. They have bought into Sony's lifespan plan. In fact, you can find Nintendo saying similar things about the lifespan of the Wii. Why isn't this as noteworthy as a retrospective of the PS3's marketing, and not the FIRST one at that, mind you? Just 2 years after the fact, XBox has been allowed to live down a 30% defect rate that bordered on fraud. But Sony is just CRAZY because 6 years ago they had a weird add. You see why that might seem a bit off-putting?

You see, it's news if it's new. We already know the early marketing was filled with hubris and silliness. That's not news. We also know ALL consoles are putting out motion controls, which in a regular world running on human logic means that none of them are confused about being gaming consoles that have motion controllers.

Why it's news for Sony, and apparently bad news from the tone of the write up, well, I guess that's wisdom for the US gaming press to create and deliver.

Unless I'm missing something here, the only console that knows how to market itself at the moment is the Wii.

360 and PS3 are both playing follow the leader moton control wise, attempting to attract some of the Wii crowd, but forgetting price is more important than content to a 1 hour a week individual the Wii encompasses.

If I recall 360 marketed its HD-DVD capabilities (add on of course) and Sony followed suit later with "our technology can beat up your technology".

360 copied Miis with Avatars, the PS3 then answered with Home. All the downloadable games utilities sprung up as well.

Sorry, but this week you don't know what you're talking about Susan. All the consoles can be construed as having an indentity crisis, they all follow each other. Maybe not the Wii if you're feeling generous.

"Figure out what the PS3 is, Sony, and let it be that."

I think the commercials speak for itself, the PS3 wants to be EVERYTHING.

is that hard to understand?

i didnt buy a Wii because it was rushed, crappy graphics, and lack of features.
the wii is just a gamecube your shake a stick at.

the PS3 is going to win this console war again.

ohh an no matter which way you look at it the PS3 is cheaper than the xbox360..

The PS3 should be a gaming console, nothing more, sure the PS2 could play movies, but no one used that, so Sony, stick too the gaming with the PS3

Random Bobcat:

If I recall 360 marketed its HD-DVD capabilities (add on of course) and Sony followed suit later with "our technology can beat up your technology".

360 copied Miis with Avatars, the PS3 then answered with Home. Then all the downloadable games utilities sprung up.

I agree with your overall premise, just a couple nits here:

PS3 always was going to have Blu-Ray. 360 tacked on the HD-DVD player after release as a "me do HD too" sort of move.

The correct historical order is Miis, Home, Avatars. Downloadable games (for consoles) preceded all of these, and in fact were first available on the original XBox.

Again, not arguing the premise, just correcting some of the history.

I finally bought a PS3 about a month ago, for one main reason... PS3 Exclusives. (Like God of War, Ratchet & Clank, etc) When I originally wanted it, it did in fact do everything. I was saving to buy a PS3, but every iteration of the device they removed some functionality. While all of these may not be important to you, I liked the idea of replacing a bunch of my electroics with one solid piece of equipment.

They removed: Multiple USB ports, SACD, Backwards Compatibility, Multi-Reader.

While I currently use the PS3 to play Blu-Ray movies, of which I have two. I am planning on buying an Oppo instead which is a higher quality and faster player. Sony wanted to take over the living room and instead settled for having a game system that plays movies too... Just like the PS2, too bad they got out of the gate late and made the thing difficult to program for.

SaintWaldo:
*snip*

You seem to be taking this rather personally, and you really shouldn't.

Tharticus:
With the PS3 trying to be the Wii, I can't blame Sony for again appealing to the casual audience.

Of course PS2 did appeal to the casual audience with the eyetoy.

Not just the eye ty but things like Singstar too, and the guitar hero francise (Which started off on the PS2)

So, really trhey have always tried to pull in all kinds of markets, and all kinds of groups...granted, they have not always worked, and not always been successful...

The PS3 was a total disaster, it took them way too long to come out with it (they thought they could make a system that ran solely from the processor I gathered) it cost WAY too much and had no games, it's the hardest system to program for currently making any ports take extra wor and they lose some detail, they had no reason to get one for the longest time. The system didn't even have a vibrating controller for god sake that's something even the PSOne did. And the online is only now starting to come together, it's been quite a trip with the online with PSN. Then they put out some sweet games for it, then ...they removed backwards compatibility (this for me angered the hell out of me because there's only one reason for it, they want to do what xbox360 does and sell older titles for the system, while I still have BC if my system ever dies I'll just be a bit pissed to be honest.) along with the memory stick support. I won't comment on the PS3 arc...move, whatever they're calling it since I am bias against motion controls beyond a bowling game but, yeah.

The PS3 itself is defiantly a disaster, more so when you compare it to the PSOne and PS2 which when it came out people went ape shit bananas over it. Hell I still regard the PS2 as incredible, it did so much right and so little wrong.

Yet even after ALL this screw ups the system still seems to be flying well. That's probably because Sonys exclusives are beyond great and that's why the system is still around. Sony has amazing titles that sell the system, Uncharted, Metal Gear, and holy crap God of War 3. While Sony screws the console up, the games just make up for it and then some I guess I'd say. While the PS3 isn't a bad system (it's actually quite the neat system) the decisions that have been made for it are incredibly poor. It's funny, if you think about it these kinds of decisions might have killed a console years ago but the PS3 is still doing well.

So all considering what the PS3 has gone through and it's still being successful (only more so since God of War 3 is coming out I'd imagine) is quite interesting, at least in my eyes.

Edit: I'm not bashing the PS3 if you didn't get that from reading my large post, I'm simply saying there's been a lot of bad things that's gone on with it, and it's overcome some large hurdles that'd stomp other consoles I guess. I have one and it's quite the neat system, I'm honestly surprised they got themselves out of the hole that they dug because a lot of consoles died early on for the same reasons the PS3 system went through.

does anybody know if this "Susan Arendt" the author of this post owns a PS3, and if so what model?

Jesus christ, we're back to 2006 when game journalists are all fucking idiots who couldn't understand what "playstation 3" is. PS3 is not an alien. It's not some weird gelatinous goo that oozes out of your rectum every time you attempt to breathe out. Everyone has been using the PS3 for a while now, if the experts still can't understand what the PS3 is, then they're not experts are they.

PS3 is a machine. It has transisters and silicon. It is a home entertainment center that focuses mainly on games. I seriously don't see what the problem is when a company wants to provide a unified platform that offers many services. Why are people still going "omg, I don't know what to do with my PS3, what is it?"

Seriously, if doing 5 function confuses you, how the hell did you even get on the Internet. PCs are obviously WAY too complicated for you.

Yes, PS3 is going the Wii route. It has motion controls now that actually works. I don't remember hearing how Activision is losing its "identity" when it's introducing a game with a guitar controller, "is it a game or a music simulation or a guitar?" Nobody complained when Nintendo announced MadWorld or Manhunt, "is the Wii a children's favorite chew toy, a $250 paper weight, a Mario machine, or a killing simulator?"

I mean, if you still get confused about the ps3 right now, please do us a favor and take yourself behind a shed old-yeller style.

SaintWaldo:

Random Bobcat:

If I recall 360 marketed its HD-DVD capabilities (add on of course) and Sony followed suit later with "our technology can beat up your technology".

360 copied Miis with Avatars, the PS3 then answered with Home. Then all the downloadable games utilities sprung up.

I agree with your overall premise, just a couple nits here:

PS3 always was going to have Blu-Ray. 360 tacked on the HD-DVD player after release as a "me do HD too" sort of move.

The correct historical order is Miis, Home, Avatars. Downloadable games (for consoles) preceded all of these, and in fact were first available on the original XBox.

Again, not arguing the premise, just correcting some of the history.

Fair enough, I edited the DL games comment as it made it seem I was saying they came first rather than stating they arrived.

The rest, I admit I didn't know their exact order - but as you said, the premise is sound.

This whole Playstation Move does feel like a heap of unwanted flaccid spaghetti.

Instead of Sony showing the people the good stuff like GoW 3 and The Last Guardian, they'll waste their time waving this in everybodies faces.
Let's just hope that Move and the hardcore games can live side by side in piece and harmony like the Eyetoy and the PS2 back in the day.

PS3: It only does EVERYTHING. 'nuff said.

mrx19869:
does anybody know if this "Susan Arendt" the author of this post owns a PS3, and if so what model?

She does. Not sure if she's said what model, I assume a 60GB.

mrx19869:
does anybody know if this "Susan Arendt" the author of this post owns a PS3, and if so what model?

I think by default she'll at least have regular access to one, being a games journalist.

She's just messed up with this article, had a random thought and run with it, with little regard to anything else.

A shame, because Susan is usually well voiced/written. Everyone makes mistakes I guess.

SaintWaldo:

mrx19869:
does anybody know if this "Susan Arendt" the author of this post owns a PS3, and if so what model?

She does.

which one though?

mrx19869:

SaintWaldo:

mrx19869:
does anybody know if this "Susan Arendt" the author of this post owns a PS3, and if so what model?

She does.

which one though?

well i doubt she uses it on a regular basis. she seems to know little about what a ps3 does

Thats probably the case in the states, but no-one buys a 360 in Japan, and here in the UK all my friends have PS3s. And I don't think their target market is any different to the 360, they practically have the same base of games, and are now doing the same thing with the motion control thing.

mrx19869:
does anybody know if this "Susan Arendt" the author of this post owns a PS3, and if so what model?

Yes, I do, an original launch model. Ah, sweet, sweet BC....

Also, I don't quite understand why people think I am confused about a PS3's capabilities. I also state quite clearly that I think the PS3 is a great machine, and simply wish that Sony would do it justice by crafting a clear message for it.

Logan Westbrook:

SaintWaldo:
*snip*

You seem to be taking this rather personally, and you really shouldn't.

A well informed counter statement to a poor article is "taking it personally"?

People who like to play PS3 games. And blurays.

Look, stop trying to make gaming into motorcycle riding. There are no hell's angels and rice rocket drivers here. We're all the same, only some of us bought xbox360, some of us have PS3s and some of us have both (and if the numbers are any indication we all have Wiis).

What's not to love about a console that is so streamlined that it not only produces games with native High-def, but also comes with the capability to be the centerpiece of anyone's home entertainment? I don't see them pandering to those with a casual interest, I see them with a desire to bring more people into the knowledge that it really might just do everything; everything in regards to electronic home entertainment, that is. That Sony is reaching out to others isn't a sign of indecision, it's a sign of strengthening the ground on which they stand. If they really plan on it having a ten year life span, then it's gonna need something more than just the hardcore gamers. It's undeniably one of the best value Blu-Ray players on the market, and the entertainment value of the games that it gains over time is, if not increasing, at least remaining steady. Free online services means it has a leg up on Microsoft in that department, and with an actual interface for people to hang around in, it's standing over the Wii.

In that regard, they are in a unique position to do something never before witnessed. Imagine this, if you will: an exercise class, taught from the comfort of your own home, where you can actively see your instructor doing the exercises, on the TV, from their living room, while you do your stretches and whatnot from the comfort of yours, via wireless telecommunications with voice chat, image recording, and image transmission. Couple that kind of instantaneous interactivity with an already highly dedicated fanbase of gamers, and you're looking at the same strategy Nintendo used to make the Wii what it is today--start low, getting more people actively using the console, then introduce them to things slightly more game-like, let them get a taste for the addiction, then let it build, by giving them screenshots of awards and "well done!"s. This will lead them to some of the other games, whereupon you just built a new base.

Are they abandoning we the gamers? Not in the slightest, they're giving us more to work with. There might be a slight lull in the influx and quality of games, similar to what we saw with Nintendo, but Nintendo does most of it's work in-house, or handed down to a trusted company that still calls Nintendo its parent company. Sony has a good relationship with a few 3rd party developers, all of whom can keep the games supply steady while Sony plays with a little bit of innovation and foundation building. And that's not even mentioning the Sony-Panasonic collaboration to make the new 33.4 GB, possibly-dual-layered, super-discs (I believe that's correct) on which to fancifully delight all our sensory organs.

I've said for some time that what the Wii really needs to maintain its 'gaming' basis is to come up with a controller, or at least a consistent control scheme that doesn't involve motion sensors. Sony has that, in both the six-axis and Dualshock variety, both of which can easily compensate for any kind of unnecessary twitching. Considering all that, the PS3, while it might be reaching out to more people, is not abandoning us--we're still the center of it's attention, but now it's looking for a few more people to invite to the party with us.

SaintWaldo:
Snip

Because:

A.) Natal at least had something we could call it by; PSN motion controller did not, it was interesting to muse about.

B.) The Xbox 360 has never had an identity crisis quite like that of the PS3.

C.) Natal at least *looks* different from the Wiimote. Meanwhile, the difference in advertising here...?

D.) Take. The fanboy blinders. Off. And while you're at it, take the tinfoil hat off, too. You're taking this way too personally, dude.

Every single one of us on the Editorial staff here in the Escapist offices bought a PS3 with their own hard cash. We wouldn't have done this if we didn't think the machine was pretty cool in a lot of ways. You're an idiot if you think we're all members of a global conspiracy dedicated to undermine Sony.

Logan Westbrook:

SaintWaldo:
*snip*

You seem to be taking this rather personally, and you really shouldn't.

You seem to be assigning degrees to my thoughts, and you really shouldn't. Refute my argument or don't, but please don't assign emotion to a rational discussion.

In fact, one might point out that claiming a speaker is emotional (or "taking this personally") is a way of deflecting an otherwise valid line of argument for which one can't find a suitable defense. I'm completely dispassionate and have yet to see any words to dispute my points.

I'm sure you only meant to ask if I was emotional, and not attempt to dismiss or color my comment. I'm not.

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