Context Sensitive: Who Is the PS3 For?

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Susan Arendt:

mrx19869:
does anybody know if this "Susan Arendt" the author of this post owns a PS3, and if so what model?

Yes, I do, an original launch model. Ah, sweet, sweet BC....

I find that you (and Sony's marketing) forget to mention other great features the PS3 has going for it.

Random Bobcat:

A well informed counter statement to a poor article is "taking it personally"?

Nope, but an angry rant about a good article is.

Logan Westbrook:

Random Bobcat:

A well informed counter statement to a poor article is "taking it personally"?

Nope, but an angry rant about a good article is.

but this isnt a good article...

The PS3 reminds me of my cousin when I was growing up. No matter what my sisters and brothers had to eat or were playing with, he had to have what they had. And boy did he throw a tantrum if he didnt get what he wanted.

So I guess the analogy is; Sony is a little kid who doesnt know what he wants, but screams if someone has something "better" than him.

mrx19869:

Logan Westbrook:

Random Bobcat:

A well informed counter statement to a poor article is "taking it personally"?

Nope, but an angry rant about a good article is.

but this isnt a good article...

If you say so, but your comments about the Wii earlier suggest that you're less than objective.

John Funk:

SaintWaldo:
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Because:

A.) Natal at least had something we could call it by; PSN motion controller did not, it was interesting to muse about.

B.) The Xbox 360 has never had an identity crisis like the PS3.

C.) Natal at least *looks* different from the Wiimote. Meanwhile, the difference in advertising here...?

D.) Take. The fanboy blinders. Off. And while you're at it, take the tinfoil hat off, too. You're taking this way too personally, dude.

Every single one of us here in the Escapist offices bought a PS3 with their own hard cash. We wouldn't have done this if we didn't think the machine was pretty cool in a lot of ways. You're an idiot if you think we're all members of a global conspiracy dedicated to undermine Sony.

This is bizarre.

a) Seeing as both devices were still referred to as X's motion device this bears little weight, but good point for you I suppose.

b) No, it's just stapled on features like a catwalk model, much better.

c) Wow - so the motion capture bar bears no resemblance to the Wii's?

d) I think you jumping to the defence of the 360 need to take the blinders off. "Fanboy" is a desperate insult for someone running low on argument.

I just assumed Susan auto submitted this, but with the staff rallying in to defend I'm becoming more and more surprised.

And before you blurt "fanboy" to me, I maintain the attitude that this generation suffers from copying in general - not just Sony.

Ahhhh it's true Sony are not quite so clever in the image department.

Pity, since PS3 is a damn good console. Good article.

mrx19869:

Susan Arendt:

mrx19869:
does anybody know if this "Susan Arendt" the author of this post owns a PS3, and if so what model?

Yes, I do, an original launch model. Ah, sweet, sweet BC....

I find that you (and Sony's marketing) forget to mention other great features the PS3 has going for it.

This isn't an article about the PS3's merits. This is about how Sony can't seem to focus on a message for its console. The average consumer is left with little to latch onto, because Sony's marketing is so scattershot. Ergo, the PS3's various plusses, which are many, aren't really relevant. I say the PS3 is great, which is is. Why do I need to go into more detail than that?

Oh, and to address folks saying the 360 plays copycat, too...well, yes, absolutely it does, and I never claimed otherwise. To say that Sony's marketing is failing isn't saying that Microsoft's is succeeding. I'm not praising Microsoft simply because I'm not saying "yeah, they suck, too." This article is in response to a Sony trailer, and addresses Sony's apparent lack of understanding of its own product. Microsoft really isn't relevant for that discussion. If/when Microsoft releases a commercial for Natal that is practically a shot-for-shot copy of a Wii commercial, you can be sure I'll mention it.

They've said time and time again that the PS3 is for "Anyone with electricity". There's a bit of everything there. Hardcore/casual/softcore/movies/streaming/videos/music, its there :P

Its like saying Microsoft Windows has an identity crisis. Because not only does it do games... its a server, and has productivity tools.... and does internet... I mean whose it for!??!

Sorry but this article is terrible. Not that its poorly written. It just doesn't seem to identify that it was more of an expensive console that did more than just be a console when it first launched and has since then gotten out of the "toy" market that the 360 and Wii seem to be in. I'd agree that its been a hell of a marketing challenge for them to make up their mind, but now I think they finally have it centered. But the Playstation has always had a message "For anyone with electricity".

Logan Westbrook:

mrx19869:

Logan Westbrook:

Random Bobcat:

A well informed counter statement to a poor article is "taking it personally"?

Nope, but an angry rant about a good article is.

but this isnt a good article...

If you say so, but your comments about the Wii earlier suggest that you're less than objective.

you are correct in saying that i am less than objective, but everyone need to admit that the wii was rushed, and could have started out of the gate a whole lot better, now sony is stepping up to the game and they are gonna do it right.

my problem with this article is that how can the PS3 have an identity crisis when they are saying that

"it does everything" and it does... everything

Wow.. pro Sony fanboys unite.

You do realize you're missing the entire point of the column, right? The column clearly isn't about "PS3 suxxorz!!1!" or "I have no idea what the PS3 is *head explodes*" The column is about Sony's marketing strategies and, to some extent, their development plans... and it's not really talking about those who are generally in the know (aka those who read and post on The Escapist).

As for why a breakdown of MS's 360 marketing history and their positioning of Natal hasn't been included, I'm guessing it's because the 360 hasn't seen it's first real push yet. We don't even know if it's going to be called Natal. If MS has the same issues as Sony does when it makes the big push, then of course they should be examined in the same way (though the OP is right in saying that MS has had a more generally cohesive marketing push for the 360 to this point).

SaintWaldo:

In fact, one might point out that claiming a speaker is emotional (or "taking this personally") is a way of deflecting an otherwise valid line of argument for which one can't find a suitable defense. I'm completely dispassionate and have yet to see any words to dispute my points.

That's because they don't have a counter, and have to rely on baseless "mud slinging" to try to devalueyour criticism.

Logan Westbrook:

Random Bobcat:

A well informed counter statement to a poor article is "taking it personally"?

Nope, but an angry rant about a good article is.

Show me the inflection of anger in Waldo's post. I certainly missed it, maybe you're projecting this emotion in a vain attempt of defence?

Further, this isn't a good article. Waldo's (with less editing than Susan's) would suit the Featured Content better.

John Funk:

D.) Take. The fanboy blinders. Off. And while you're at it, take the tinfoil hat off, too. You're taking this way too personally, dude.

Every single one of us here in the Escapist offices bought a PS3 with their own hard cash. We wouldn't have done this if we didn't think the machine was pretty cool in a lot of ways. You're an idiot if you think we're all members of a global conspiracy dedicated to undermine Sony.

Sir, please stop the name calling. Note also that I never claimed a conspiracy. Note that I also know that Susan isn't a PS3 hater. Note that not everyone claiming a perceivable bias is calling for heads to roll or for the Bastille to be stormed.

I'm not speaking to a conspiracy. I'm speaking to hidden, suppressed, possibly unconscious bias. It's a very different thing. I'm not claiming anyone at the Escapist has taken money from MS to put a fix in. I'm saying, it's been my impression, over the entire course of the PS3's history, that the western press has been overwhelmingly hyper-critical of Sony. It's also been my contention that this is due to many factors (cultural, linguistic, geographic), so that the ones who participate in transporting the bias aren't necessarily to blame for the action.

But it is there, and in my eyes, as a bias, it should be revealed and spoken to if we are to be honest about our own culture. And it is a reasonable impression that there are some jingoistic forces at work in the US gaming culture (and the culture at large, sure) that I'd prefer to face up front rather than allow to continue unremarked.

You call me a fanboy (and intimate that I may be an an idiot); I've never hidden the fact that I prefer Sony. I've also never spoken to others as though their choice of console was incorrect or revealed some lack of anything in their person or character. Maybe you shouldn't react so strongly to criticism if you'd like to avoid a few choice label of your own.

StriderShinryu:
Wow.. pro Sony fanboys unite.

You do realize you're missing the entire point of the column, right? The column clearly isn't about "PS3 suxxorz!!1!" or "I have no idea what the PS3 is *head explodes*" The column is about Sony's marketing strategies and, to some extent, their development plans... and it's not really talking about those who are generally in the know (aka those who read and post on The Escapist).

As for why a breakdown of MS's 360 marketing history and their positioning of Natal hasn't been included, I'm guessing it's because the 360 hasn't seen it's first real push yet. We don't even know if it's going to be called Natal. If MS has the same issues as Sony does when it makes the big push, then of course they should be examined in the same way (though the OP is right in saying that MS has had a more generally cohesive marketing push for the 360 to this point).

Thanks...glad to know someone got the point.

Susan Arendt:

mrx19869:

Susan Arendt:

mrx19869:
does anybody know if this "Susan Arendt" the author of this post owns a PS3, and if so what model?

Yes, I do, an original launch model. Ah, sweet, sweet BC....

I find that you (and Sony's marketing) forget to mention other great features the PS3 has going for it.

This isn't an article about the PS3's merits. This is about how Sony can't seem to focus on a message for its console. The average consumer is left with little to latch onto, because Sony's marketing is so scattershot. Ergo, the PS3's various plusses, which are many, aren't really relevant. I say the PS3 is great, which is is. Why do I need to go into more detail than that?

Oh, and to address folks saying the 360 plays copycat, too...well, yes, absolutely it does, and I never claimed otherwise. To say that Sony's marketing is failing isn't saying that Microsoft's is succeeding. I'm not praising Microsoft simply because I'm not saying "yeah, they suck, too." This article is in response to a Sony trailer, and addresses Sony's apparent lack of understanding of its own product. Microsoft really isn't relevant for that discussion. If/when Microsoft releases a commercial for Natal that is practically a shot-for-shot copy of a Wii commercial, you can be sure I'll mention it.

If a trailer that may or may not coincidentally bear a resemblance to another (bearing in mind they are advertising similar items) says to you that the console is having an identity crisis, makes me understand your view even less.

When different genre game trailers come out, are all consoles having an identity crisis?

Random Bobcat:

This is bizarre.

a) Seeing as both devices were still referred to as X's motion device this bears little weight, but good point for you I suppose.

b) No, it's just stapled on features like a catwalk model, much better.

c) Wow - so the motion capture bar bears no resemblance to the Wii's?

d) I think you jumping to the defence of the 360 need to take the blinders off. "Fanboy" is a desperate insult for someone running low on argument.

I just assumed Susan auto submitted this, but with the staff rallying in to defend I'm becoming more and more surprised.

And before you blurt "fanboy" to me, I maintain the attitude that this generation suffers from copying in general - not just Sony.

A.) That was the official title; both Natal and Arc/Gem/Wand/whatever were working titles. When Natal reveals its official title, we'll start calling it that.

B.) I think that in terms of marketing strategy, it is better, actually. Microsoft marketed the 360 as a gaming machine from the get-go, a gaming machine with a bunch of peripherals that people may or may not have cared about (or were later rendered obsolete, like the HDDVD addon). As Susan makes the point, Sony marketed the PS3 as a gaming machine second, which probably made it harder to catch on.

We're not talking about from a pure quality standpoint, we're talking about from a marketing one. That's an important distinction to make. MS was "Oh, we're a gaming machine! But we've got these little trinkets and features, too." Sony was "Hey, we do all of this stuff, NON-GAMERS will want to buy our PS3 for the Blu-Ray and the Home Media and... well, okay, yeah, it plays games too I guess."

C.) Has the motion capture bar ever been featured prominently in Wii advertising? No. The image that comes to mind is the Wii remote and the Nunchuck, and the way people interact with Move is identical to how they interact with MotionPlus (roughly, let's not split hairs here). Click on the link and tell me you can tell the difference between the two.

D.) I'm ... not defending the 360. What did I say that was in any way defending the Xbox 360? Saying that the Xbox never had quite the identity crisis of the PS3 is not a defense, it's pretty obvious.

I'm attacking the persecution complex of PS3 fanboys who think that everybody is out to get them and there is a coordinate attempt to undermine Sony. And whose kneejerk reaction is to shout NO YOU'RE WRONG to a well-reasoned article that is more about Sony's failing in presentation than about the merits of the actual console.

They do have a message however, "It only does everything." whether that message is good is another question. They already had a motion controller in the system at launch so trying to improve on the functionality by creating a controller that works isn't a bad thing. The target audience is the consumer that wants a device that does more than the 360/wii without having to buy two or three different devices.

Susan Arendt:

mrx19869:

Susan Arendt:

mrx19869:
does anybody know if this "Susan Arendt" the author of this post owns a PS3, and if so what model?

Yes, I do, an original launch model. Ah, sweet, sweet BC....

I find that you (and Sony's marketing) forget to mention other great features the PS3 has going for it.

This isn't an article about the PS3's merits. This is about how Sony can't seem to focus on a message for its console. The average consumer is left with little to latch onto, because Sony's marketing is so scattershot. Ergo, the PS3's various plusses, which are many, aren't really relevant. I say the PS3 is great, which is is. Why do I need to go into more detail than that?

The message has to change because the people buying the ps3 are different now than they were 4 years ago. The people who purchased the ps3 the day it came out like me (waited 3 days in a tent with my friends for it) we knew everything about it, they did not have to market it, they didnt even have to put a picture on the box for me.

now skip to today, the best way sony saw to market the PS3 was to simply state " it does everything" also they have a great website that is easy to use, and explains all the features ,
i guess my question is now what does your statement "marketing is so scattereshot" refer to.. am i correct to assume you are talking about commercials?

Susan Arendt:

Oh, and to address folks saying the 360 plays copycat, too...well, yes, absolutely it does, and I never claimed otherwise. To say that Sony's marketing is failing isn't saying that Microsoft's is succeeding. I'm not praising Microsoft simply because I'm not saying "yeah, they suck, too." This article is in response to a Sony trailer, and addresses Sony's apparent lack of understanding of its own product. Microsoft really isn't relevant for that discussion. If/when Microsoft releases a commercial for Natal that is practically a shot-for-shot copy of a Wii commercial, you can be sure I'll mention it.

Ok, that's all fine, but when did we get an article that dwelt on the long term ramifications of XBox branding when it did a shot-for-shot ripoff off Miis? WE DIDN'T. That's what people like me are talking about. Sony gets a concern troll piece about it's direction, but MS NEVER DOES. If you'd like to link to the article you feel treats MS or Nintendo with the same "concern from a real fan of the platform", that would go MILES toward putting any impression of (possibly unconscious) bias to rest.

Don't bank on Sony making motion control just for Americans. Microsoft pretty much owns the "hardcore" console market in America, but they are almost nonexistent in Japan. The PSP has done fairly well holding it own against the DS in the land of the rising sun, so Sony is hoping with their take on motion controls and much, much, much better graphics to fight the Wii directly. With the latest price cuts, they might actually gain some substantial ground.

Logan Westbrook:

Random Bobcat:

A well informed counter statement to a poor article is "taking it personally"?

Nope, but an angry rant about a good article is.

Again, I'm not angry.

100% dead on. The ps3 was not only released last, had the glorious $600 price tag, looked like a babylon 5 prop, and had no real exclusives outside of MGS whose reputation was thoroughly tarnished by MGS2.

The PS2 was really the perfect storm. It came out with the DVD and with the next console generation. Even the weak (except SSX) launch was forgivable because the DVD capability made up for it.

The gap between VHS and DVD is remarkable, but the gap between DVD and Blu-Ray isn't nearly as pronounced. Particularly if you take into account there weren't very many hi-def televisions when the thing was released. And even hi-def gamer households probably had a 360 because Microsoft's year head start.

The ps3 slim is a much better value proposition but really it is a case of too little too late. If the slim was the launch system then I think the 7th generation would be a closer contest than it currently is.

That said if I had to choose current version xbox and ps3 I would get ps3 in a heartbeat. The system just looks better designed built. The xbox reminds me of jury-rigged computer work that you hope works. And it sounds like a jet engine.

Sony could convert me if they come out with a Devil May Cry, or Ninja Gaiden with true motion controls, not the sloppiness of Twilight Princess random flailing. A first person MGS where you aim with the pointer like in Metroid.

Good luck Sony, you certainly need it.

Random Bobcat:

c) Wow - so the motion capture bar bears no resemblance to the Wii's?

Superficially, yes, but the tech behind it is very, very different. The sensor bar is essentially a just a reference point for the Wii remote, and all it does it emit two points of IR light. Natal, on the other hand, has two cameras built into it to position a player and track their movements.

mrx19869:

my problem with this article is that how can the PS3 have an identity crisis when they are saying that

"it does everything" and it does... everything

That's what the article is talking about, that Sony doesn't have a clear idea of what it wants to PS3 to be. Part of the reason that the Kevin Butler were so well received is that it seemed like Sony had finally decided how it was going to market the PS3, and had made a really good job of it. But now it seems Sony has a new angle for the PS3, one that eschews very endearing Mr Butler. I don't know if you've seen the trailer for Move, but it makes the PS3 look so much like the Wii it's like they were separated at birth.

The conversation isn't about what the PS3 can actually do - everyone on the Escapist staff is well aware of how good a machine it is - it's about how Sony is communicating that message, and an enduring characteristic of Sony's handling of the PS3 is inconsistent marketing.

SaintWaldo:

Logan Westbrook:

Random Bobcat:

A well informed counter statement to a poor article is "taking it personally"?

Nope, but an angry rant about a good article is.

Again, I'm not angry.

Well, you sound like you are, so you might want to rein that in.

[quote="rembrandtqeinstein" post="6.180282.5286698"]100% dead on. The ps3 was not only released last, had the glorious $600 price tag/quote]

yeah but how much money has xbox360 users payed since launch to get online and play with your friends? It seems like i have spent less on my ps3 5 years down the road because i payed a higher price tag up front.

I really don't see any crazy bias here, I just see an article by some one that doesn't get or like Sony's marketing strategy. Susan does a lot of good PS3 reviews, and she seems to enjoy the system a lot.

Again, its just her opinion. I don't like the article because I think the PS3 has quite the strong identity, which I can ask people around me that are NOT gamers, much like her "Average Joe" person and they all tell me the same thing: "Powerful, blu-ray player, best graphics, entertainment system." Again these are people that don't even have friends that play on the 360, but have gotten into the PS3 because it seemed like the least "toyish" to them. This isn't a good enough sample, but its pretty much just as good anecdotal opinion that was presented in the article.

It seems to present crisis in marketing for no reason and barely reports any news. Its pure opinion. That's why I don't like the article. *shrug* Nothing against Susan, John, or Escapist. Can't always write winners I guess. But tomorrow, I'm sure I'll be happy as ever reading something else you all wrote.

SaintWaldo:

Susan Arendt:

Oh, and to address folks saying the 360 plays copycat, too...well, yes, absolutely it does, and I never claimed otherwise. To say that Sony's marketing is failing isn't saying that Microsoft's is succeeding. I'm not praising Microsoft simply because I'm not saying "yeah, they suck, too." This article is in response to a Sony trailer, and addresses Sony's apparent lack of understanding of its own product. Microsoft really isn't relevant for that discussion. If/when Microsoft releases a commercial for Natal that is practically a shot-for-shot copy of a Wii commercial, you can be sure I'll mention it.

Ok, that's all fine, but when did we get an article that dwelt on the long term ramifications of XBox branding when it did a shot-for-shot ripoff off Miis? WE DIDN'T. That's what people like me are talking about. Sony gets a concern troll piece about it's direction, but MS NEVER DOES. If you'd like to link to the article you feel treats MS or Nintendo with the same "concern from a real fan of the platform", that would go MILES toward putting any impression of bias to rest.

There could be ten articles a day on how MS is trying so hard to market to JRPG fans when we all know damn well that, that is a dead end. Heck the early indication is that even FF13 isn't going to do that great on the 360. In my mind Microsoft's Natal push is more deserving of this type of article because the game library doesn't easily lend itself to the "casual" image. Sony's isn't all that great either, but it is markedly better than that of Microsoft's.

I'm interested in what Sony can do with Move because if they can get the kind of games I like to play to work with the system as well as a traditional controller I can actually play things like Killzone 2 without having to worry about being able to aim since the motion controller isn't going to be inherently biased towards right handed individuals. Secondly it does not have the potential problem of biasing games towards people who can stand/walk unlike Natal.

John Funk:

A.) That was the official title; both Natal and Arc/Gem/Wand/whatever were working titles. When Natal reveals its official title, we'll start calling it that.

Seeing as Susan's argument was based on "The Avergae Joe", and seeing as how the Average Joe will not even know of these development working titles, I fail to see your point.

If anything, when Microsoft change their name from Natal (if they do) they will infer a greater confusion to your "Average Joe". As time ticks on Natal is becoming the accepted name, whereas Sony clearly had theirs as a codename only. As many games do as well.

John Funk:

B.) I think that in terms of marketing strategy, it is better, actually. Microsoft marketed the 360 as a gaming machine from the get-go, a gaming machine with a bunch of peripherals that people may or may not have cared about (or were later rendered obsolete, like the HDDVD addon). As Susan makes the point, Sony marketed the PS3 as a gaming machine second, which probably made it harder to catch on.

We're not talking about from a pure quality standpoint, we're talking about from a marketing one. That's an important distinction to make. MS was "Oh, we're a gaming machine! But we've got these little trinkets and features, too." Sony was "Hey, we do all of this stuff, NON-GAMERS will want to buy our PS3 for the Blu-Ray and the Home Media and... well, okay, yeah, it plays games too I guess."

In keeping with the times, that was the right thing to do - the PS2 was bought by a lot of consumers as it doubled as a DVD player - cheap at that. If anything Sony had more of an assertion of what they wanted it to be, instead they evolved their outlook when that aim wasn't met by the consumer base.

360 already played DVDs, Sony wanted to try and promote another media device - as they did with UMDs and obviously Betamax also (for the quickest examples). Sometimes they are ahead of themselves, or make poor licensing choices and that's why it fails. I'd rather a failed pioneer than a succesful sheep however.

The Japanese are well into streamlining - which the PS3 offered perfectly. Big surprise a Japanese company is well on cue with Japanese needs.

John Funk:

C.) Has the motion capture bar ever been featured prominently in Wii advertising? No. The image that comes to mind is the Wii remote and the Nunchuck, and the way people interact with Move is identical to how they interact with MotionPlus (roughly, let's not split hairs here). Click on the link and tell me you can tell the difference between the two.

Apperance wise yes I can. The Wii has a massive building block on the bottom, whereas Sony has glowing orb. The "Average Joe" will notice this.

Natal is faceless, you see a picture of it on the box and the "Average Joe" won't care. It looks like a slab. The Move has much more of a presence - a form of identity if you will.

John Funk:

D.) I'm ... not defending the 360. What did I say that was in any way defending the Xbox 360? Saying that the Xbox never had quite the identity crisis of the PS3 is not a defense, it's pretty obvious.

It depends how you're looking at it.

John Funk:

I'm attacking the persecution complex of PS3 fanboys who think that everybody is out to get them and there is a coordinate attempt to undermine Sony. And whose kneejerk reaction is to shout NO YOU'RE WRONG to a well-reasoned article that is more about Sony's failing in presentation than about the merits of the actual console.

I think you're seeing anger as your own kneejerk response to an expectation of it. Informed criticims doesn't mean anger, as a journalist I would think you would be above such quick assumptions.

SaintWaldo:

Logan Westbrook:

SaintWaldo:
*snip*

You seem to be taking this rather personally, and you really shouldn't.

You seem to be assigning degrees to my thoughts, and you really shouldn't. Refute my argument or don't, but please don't assign emotion to a rational discussion.

In fact, one might point out that claiming a speaker is emotional (or "taking this personally") is a way of deflecting an otherwise valid line of argument for which one can't find a suitable defense. I'm completely dispassionate and have yet to see any words to dispute my points.

I'm sure you only meant to ask if I was emotional, and not attempt to dismiss or color my comment. I'm not.

ooo I like this guy, he actually knows how to have a rational argument.

OT: The PS3 still knows who it is, it's simply broadening it's consumer base. A completely logical move from a business stand point.

Logan Westbrook:

SaintWaldo:

Logan Westbrook:

Random Bobcat:

A well informed counter statement to a poor article is "taking it personally"?

Nope, but an angry rant about a good article is.

Again, I'm not angry.

Well, you sound like you are, so you might want to rein that in.

Well, I'm not. Since we seem to be exchanging advice, you might want to rein in your assignments of emotion to pieces of internet text.

Logan Westbrook:

Random Bobcat:

c) Wow - so the motion capture bar bears no resemblance to the Wii's?

Superficially, yes, but the tech behind it is very, very different. The sensor bar is essentially a just a reference point for the Wii remote, and all it does it emit two points of IR light. Natal, on the other hand, has two cameras built into it to position a player and track their movements.

Right, so the "Average Joe" will know of the tech will he?

To the casual observer, they do exactly the same thing, except one is pointy hands and one is pointy remote.

Remember "Average" is the cornerstone of Susan's argument - don't mess that up now .

Logan Westbrook:

Well, you sound like you are, so you might want to rein that in.

Unprofessional to see the least, very weak projection of emotion as a response when a sensible counter illstration eludes you.

Perhaps you might want to rein yourself in, you're looking foolish with such statements.

Logan Westbrook:

Random Bobcat:

c) Wow - so the motion capture bar bears no resemblance to the Wii's?

Superficially, yes, but the tech behind it is very, very different. The sensor bar is essentially a just a reference point for the Wii remote, and all it does it emit two points of IR light. Natal, on the other hand, has two cameras built into it to position a player and track their movements.

mrx19869:

my problem with this article is that how can the PS3 have an identity crisis when they are saying that

"it does everything" and it does... everything

That's what the article is talking about, that Sony doesn't have a clear idea of what it wants to PS3 to be. Part of the reason that the Kevin Butler were so well received is that it seemed like Sony had finally decided how it was going to market the PS3, and had made a really good job of it. But now it seems Sony has a new angle for the PS3, one that eschews very endearing Mr Butler. I don't know if you've seen the trailer for Move, but it makes the PS3 look so much like the Wii it's like they were separated at birth.

The conversation isn't about what the PS3 can actually do - everyone on the Escapist staff is well aware of how good a machine it is - it's about how Sony is communicating that message, and an enduring characteristic of Sony's handling of the PS3 is inconsistent marketing.

since we are talking about the commercials, i think its important to realize that a commercial is only meant to spark the interest of the consumer, not to tell the consumer about everything the product can do in 30 seconds, i believe that you mistake sony's " marketing problems" with what the real problem is.

the consumer has gotten stupid, lazy, and wants to be feed all the info, i see no difference in the way the PS3 was marketed with how cars are marketed. the show you the product something it does, all flashey, etc etec, then its the consumers jobs to do independent research. Everything the PS3 can do is on the box, their website, and other websites.

so i believe this article just takes aways from what the real problem is..

It's not really an identity crisis - that suggests there is a problem. If Move is any good then what the PS3 is is a master of home entertainment, proving HD films, high quality gaming, motion controls etc.
What would have made the article more accurate is if you said Joe Average walks into the store, he buys the wii for motion control; he buys the 360 for quick gaming, or he buys the PS3 for both of them and more.
It's like would you buy a fridge, a freezer, or a fridge freezer which is bigger than the other two, and has an ice dispenser.

I can't see why the console can't be for everyone - it makes no sense. The PS3 is the most powerful of the three, so surely if it wanted to do gaming, it could do it well, and if it wanted to do motion controls, it could do that as well.

I think what we are seeing here is the transition between game console and media centre. The PS3 is less of a game console and more of a media centre which can do everything, but to a high standard. So not jack of all trades, master of none, but instead what we potentially have is a master of all trades. Or a monopoly. Whichever way you want to see it.

Think is even if it has a so called identity crisis, what's wrong with that? The console is going to remain the same, and the same high standard of games are going to be produced, so other than nonsensical ramblings, essentially the customer doesn't loose out, so what's there to hate?

Random Bobcat:

John Funk:

I'm attacking the persecution complex of PS3 fanboys who think that everybody is out to get them and there is a coordinate attempt to undermine Sony. And whose kneejerk reaction is to shout NO YOU'RE WRONG to a well-reasoned article that is more about Sony's failing in presentation than about the merits of the actual console.

I think you're seeing anger as your own kneejerk response to an expectation of it. Informed criticims doesn't mean anger, as a journalist I would think you would be above such quick assumptions.

This, Right here. This is what every Escapist employee in this thread should internalize.

Hubilub:

Edit: Wait, I just came up with a reason as to why the Average Joe should by a PS3.

Because of Kevin Butler.

It might be the ONLY reason why I would buy it. However...Sony has ripped me of a lot of times. So I still cannot see myself owning a Sony product.

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