I Hit It With My Axe: Episode Two: F*ck. A Medusa.

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mechanixis:
I really want to like this, guys, but it's shaping up to be "stupid, unattractive, and fairly self-important women squabble for five minutes, the show."

This. : /

mechanixis:
I really want to like this, guys, but it's shaping up to be "stupid, unattractive, and fairly self-important women squabble for five minutes, the show."

Cannot disagre more...

The only reason people are gonna watch it because "Oh look, Porn stars doing geeky things..."

Its just so...so sad

PedroSteckecilo:

addeB:
Turned into a wolf... Reminded me of the sweet days when unforgotten realms was on the escapist and every thing was sunshine.

Ohh yeah, still don't like this show...

All the intense Troll rage towards Game Dogs and I Hit It With My Axe makes me lament the days when The Escapist used to be a fairly friendly place. Now it seems we've become like every other site on the web, this thread being only marginally less full of assholes than your average YouTube comment section.

I have nothing against game dogs and i just doesn't like this show? Does that make the escapist a unfriendly place? No my good sir, it doesn't. The escapist still have much more friendly and fun members then most other sites.

PedroSteckecilo:

lomylithruldor:

Megido:
Two episodes in, and no dice rolling?

Yeah, because rolling dice is really at the core of role-playing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Diceless_Roleplaying_Game

Also, i think you missed the character creation part of the last episode.

There have been a lot of very interesting discussions on how necessary Dice are to Roleplaying in both the Indie and Mainstream game'o'spheres, my favorite comment on Dice is that they provide a random element that can change the story in ways nobody expected, not the players, not the GM. They can also provide a fallback when you can't quite muster the necessary creativity to play without them.

Actually that's pretty much what everything in Roleplaying is, a support system for play and imagination that you might not otherwise be able to muster.

Yeah, i agree to that. I love when something unexpected happens because of a epic/epic fail dice roll. But, I don't think having any dice rolling in 10 minutes is out of the ordinary. I often see hours between rolls and that's all right, more so in the intro of the game.

I come from a White-Wolf background (played Exalted since it came out) so that can explain why i'm not much into dice (a lot more dice rolling in dungeon crawling game than in story oriented games)

Edit: also, when players roll 25D10 on their attacks (5 dex + 5 melee + 1st excellency (10 d10 more) + 3 accuracy on your average Daiklave + a 2die stun), you may want to limit battle against random shit to the minimum lol

addeB:

PedroSteckecilo:

addeB:
Turned into a wolf... Reminded me of the sweet days when unforgotten realms was on the escapist and every thing was sunshine.

Ohh yeah, still don't like this show...

All the intense Troll rage towards Game Dogs and I Hit It With My Axe makes me lament the days when The Escapist used to be a fairly friendly place. Now it seems we've become like every other site on the web, this thread being only marginally less full of assholes than your average YouTube comment section.

I have nothing against game dogs and i just doesn't like this show? Does that make the escapist a unfriendly place? No my good sir, it doesn't. The escapist still have much more friendly and fun members then most other sites.

That comment wasn't specifically aimed at you, more of just a general statement piggybacking on yours. But seriously, look at some of the earlier posts, damn unfriendly, angry, trollish stuff that might have gotten people banned 2 years ago.

Vergast:
I feel like if i didnt have a Y chromazone and recorded myself playing warhammer i too could get a show on the escapist thanks to this show.

Exactly my thoughts, thank you.

mechanixis:
I really want to like this, guys, but it's shaping up to be "stupid, unattractive, and fairly self-important women squabble for five minutes, the show."

Pretty much this, when did strippers and porn stars get so ugly..and boring?

PedroSteckecilo:

addeB:

PedroSteckecilo:

addeB:
Turned into a wolf... Reminded me of the sweet days when unforgotten realms was on the escapist and every thing was sunshine.

Ohh yeah, still don't like this show...

All the intense Troll rage towards Game Dogs and I Hit It With My Axe makes me lament the days when The Escapist used to be a fairly friendly place. Now it seems we've become like every other site on the web, this thread being only marginally less full of assholes than your average YouTube comment section.

I have nothing against game dogs and i just doesn't like this show? Does that make the escapist a unfriendly place? No my good sir, it doesn't. The escapist still have much more friendly and fun members then most other sites.

That comment wasn't specifically aimed at you, more of just a general statement piggybacking on yours. But seriously, look at some of the earlier posts, damn unfriendly, angry, trollish stuff that might have gotten people banned 2 years ago.

(Almost) every film maker knows not to take that kind of unfriendly comments personal, since the poster shows how unmature he/she is. And alot of people here seems jealous that this guy got a show on the escapist :P
And yeah there are some really unfriendly comments here, but then we have comments like this one :)

Awesomeforthemasses:
I say kill the Inn keeper, that bastard has had it too good for too long.

Hehe, could not have said it better myself. :P

messy:
So does it really matter if it's hard, if it's not interesting it's not interesting.

This gentleman has hit the nail on the head. Sure, its got hot girls and its about roleplaying, two very good subjects, but this does not instantly mean that combining the two will be a success. Pretty logo though.

Satine Phoenix:

RougeWaveform:
I'm liking it. There's certainly room for improvement, but I could see it getting a lot more interesting once the game takes off a bit. Keep at it!
I do think that most of the other comments are a bit too severe, but this is the Internet. *sigh*

Thanks a bunch! When I play other people's D&D Shows/Podcasts I like it when its long and I listen to it/watch it in the background when i'm working. My personal opinion is that this show should be at least 10 minutes long if not 20 minutes with "previously on ..." commentary at the begining of the show so you can really get into what is going on and connect with the characters better. But I'm not the editor or producer. Its really up to them.

I whole heartily agree that a "previously on" section would do wonders for this. Being dropped in to the middle of this with understanding of, or connection with the characters makes this more confusing than I think it has be.

Despite the rather fragmented story telling here I found it rather amusing and I'll stick around to see the future episodes of this.

Ok a few tips aka reasons I am having trouble getting involved in this show:

1. I don't know or connect to any of the people, to me they are names and faces. Maybe take some time to get to know each person and their D&D character? then have a little overview of what happened during that game?

2. The story, what is the goal here, to play D&D? to save princess peach? to show me porn stars are people too? Make this clear.

3.I want to see the evolution of the people and the characters see first point.

4. The game seems a little rushed due to lack of detail, this could be due to time constraints or limited video time, but more detail for the quests, characters, and world.

5. Let the girls shape the mission, she wants to kill the inn keeper let her, just make every action have a reaction, I want a sandbox D&D not a linear story, this will help us get to know the players.

6. Add some humor more-to-come needs to show up as a villan :)
(this should D&D lite for those people that have little experiance with it or those who are trying to quit)

-2fish

EDIT do not mess up your own name, they will never let it go
*To the Free Thought Detection Van*

Undercover:
What the hell do you guys want? Here's a thought, how about instead of bitching like a bunch of whiny fanboys you actually suggest how the show could be improved? This is a rare opportunity to actually HELP a production rather than just shit all over it, and none of you are taking advantage.

Every new show goes through some growing pains, and I'm not ready to give up on this one yet. Lighting: MUCH better. Pacing: Getting its stride. Editing: a lot tighter.

Zak et. al., you're not there yet, but you're getting the right idea.

I know I'm going to get flak for this like I always do when I disagree with the self-important geeks around here, but if I actually cared what any of them thought, I'd never speak my mind.

Unlike the majority of commenters, I know what its like to produce a show and edit video & its bloody HARD TO DO.

So let them feed their own egos by dumping on your ideas, if that's all they can bring to the table then too bad for them for their lack of imagination or creativity. Its a whole lot easier to tear something down than to try and help improve it.

I agree with you on this, and the first episode was hardly gripping but it will be nice to go back to for reference to the players. I wouldn't mind seeing an episode where one of the girls turns the camera on Zak and we get to know him more.
It is way to easy to just trash something you don't like, but not to try to be constructive about it and give suggestions? That is so weak.
Any anybody who wants to be more interested in this? You merely have to go here to get deeper into what's going on. Then maybe you can appreciate seeing the live action more. Otherwise there is plenty of other Escapist fare you can go to.
I for one enjoyed this episode, and would like to explore the politics of goblins.

I actually kind of like this...

I don't love it but I don't get the hate either. Maybe it's just been awhile since I watched any reality TV.

Plus the strippers hair is fascinating.

Fasckira:

messy:
So does it really matter if it's hard, if it's not interesting it's not interesting.

This gentleman has hit the nail on the head. Sure, its got hot girls and its about roleplaying, two very good subjects, but this does not instantly mean that combining the two will be a success. Pretty logo though.

He/She/it called me a man :)

Also yeah the log is rather cool, but just a bit cliché have pink for girls (which I assume is the main "selling point")

This series looks like it has some great potential to be entertaining, unfortunately it skips around a lot so i never quite figured out what was going on. Still like it though :)

I don't watch US porn, only hentai and Tokyo Hot, so these names mean nothing to me.

That said, I am purely interested in the shenanigans of a group of people (most don't appear to be newbies) playing DnD. I do pen and paper once per week (my group consists of 3 girls and 5 guys) and it's always a blast, especially since my group is mostly interested in setting fire to things, killing things, looting and bickering. It's good to see we're not alone :)

As for the show, I wasn't keen on the first episode, but now that you're actually into the role play, it did hold my interest. I wasn't as entertained as I would have liked, but I could relate to the snippets of conversation, and Sasha (she's the new one, right?), reminded me so much of a friend who just loves to loot.

Patience is a virtue. Read on.

improvement? how about a story? start at the begining, give them an objective, and film the progression. it's hard to remain interested because it looks like it just jumps around and no one really knows whats going on, just an idea.

yay some1 else noticed

Yah whos idea was it to put this show on here? jesus.

2fish:
Ok a few tips aka reasons I am having trouble getting involved in this show:

1. I don't know or connect to any of the people, to me they are names and faces. Maybe take some time to get to know each person and their D&D character? then have a little overview of what happened during that game?

2. The story, what is the goal here, to play D&D? to save princess peach? to show me porn stars are people too? Make this clear.

3.I want to see the evolution of the people and the characters see first point.

4. The game seems a little rushed due to lack of detail, this could be due to time constraints or limited video time, but more detail for the quests, characters, and world.

5. Let the girls shape the mission, she wants to kill the inn keeper let her, just make every action have a reaction, I want a sandbox D&D not a linear story, this will help us get to know the players.

6. Add some humor more-to-come needs to show up as a villan :)
(this should D&D lite for those people that have little experiance with it or those who are trying to quit)

-2fish

EDIT do not mess up your own name, they will never let it go
*To the Free Thought Detection Van*

This is constructive, to the point and exactly my opinion. I've been mastering various RPGs for mostly one core group, but which has varied with additional players over the years. We first started in the early ninetees and from my experience the above tips will generally lead to concise and memorable sessions.

However, lets not forget there's also a camera present. Maybe the idea is that if anyone could put a D&D session on film it would be pornstars; something which is really kind of personal and intimiate--you are making an ass of yourself in front of your buddies pretending to be an elf with a broadsword shouting one-liners after all. Dunno if that idea came to fruition. Getting naked (etc) and playing D&D aren't really the same kind of embarrassing ....

I'm still watching, at least.

PS. Btw, this is the first reality show I've watched more than five minutes of since MTVs Real World back when. I hate reality shows.

PayJ567:
No, no this show is not for me. I mean I stayed with game dogs and I'm mildly glad I did but I haven't actually watched a full episode of this... I just can't do it.

Same here, GameDogs got quite good after aome eps, especially with some of the game shown now, but watching some pornstars play D&D, sorry, not moi.

Apperently I have a terminal condition called a social life, and I don't like D&D a lot anyway...

I fear The Escapist have gone all Mass Effect 2 on us. By that I mean that the mere mentioning of adult media draws lonely gamer-viewers as well as lonely D&D player-viewers.

Sorry, it's still dreary(for non-intimi) old D&D, no matter who plays it...

mechanixis:
I really want to like this, guys, but it's shaping up to be "stupid, unattractive, and fairly self-important women squabble for five minutes, the show."

So a cut down version of Loose Women then?

Rokar333:
As a DM myself I'm still enjoying it, I can watch people play D&D and still be interested. It's also a little disappointing to see people criticize Zak's DMing style based on 5 minutes of video instead of looking at his blog.

Yeah, some DMs don't get really theatrical, that doesn't mean they can't run a good game. The important things that need to be done when DMing D&D actually has very little to do with whether or not you choose to voice act all the NPCs, but more to do with how you do your world-building and whether you can put together an adventure that keeps your players interested.

I think where the problem lies with the whole blog thing is.. And I'll admit I may be wrong... We had no hint of the blog before the show came out.. So when the first episode arrived. We'd be watching this first.

Because of this.. Those who found the show unappealing wouldn't want to look into the background of it more by checking out the blog.. The show was already uninteresting for them, so why would they bother?

If they had shown the blog first, like a day or 2 before the pilot, then I'm sure maybe some would understand it enough to try to follow it along a bit longer, but this didn't happen (That I'm aware of.)

If it was up prior to the first episode however, then disregard this post. I'm only going on what I know and saw at the time, and from there trying to figure out where the problem would stand.

De Ronneman:

PayJ567:
No, no this show is not for me. I mean I stayed with game dogs and I'm mildly glad I did but I haven't actually watched a full episode of this... I just can't do it.

Same here, GameDogs got quite good after aome eps, especially with some of the game shown now, but watching some pornstars play D&D, sorry, not moi.

Apperently I have a terminal condition called a social life, and I don't like D&D a lot anyway...

Um... how is having all your friends over for a house party that just happens to involve rolling dice and collaborative storytelling indicative of not having a social life? Clearly you have some major misconceptions about the Pen and Paper Roleplaying hobby.

Sasha Grey is a lot more pretty when she is not yelling and... doing... stuff. Yeah I did dig it, pretty girl and all, but cant stand the constant ''yelling''.

About the episode, didnt watch it, sorry. :)

i still think that it just needs some quick funny animations after actions or something, better camera work and a bit more time spent of it and then it would be pretty funny and interesting. from now on i think that people could be a bit more constructive with their comments because i'm pretty sure all the bad points have been mentions about 40 time over.

PedroSteckecilo:

De Ronneman:

PayJ567:
No, no this show is not for me. I mean I stayed with game dogs and I'm mildly glad I did but I haven't actually watched a full episode of this... I just can't do it.

Same here, GameDogs got quite good after aome eps, especially with some of the game shown now, but watching some pornstars play D&D, sorry, not moi.

Apperently I have a terminal condition called a social life, and I don't like D&D a lot anyway...

Um... how is having all your friends over for a house party that just happens to involve rolling dice and collaborative storytelling indicative of not having a social life? Clearly you have some major misconceptions about the Pen and Paper Roleplaying hobby.

To be honest I do, because I find it easy for a dungeon master to break a game if he decides pretty much what happens to everyone, the amount of exp you gain and where you end up 'n stuff.

As for not having fun with it, I said, in the piece you handily cut of the quote, that it's " dreary(for non-intimi) old D&D, no matter who plays it..."

I talked about who played it, but it also shows what I am, someone who never got D&D, and therefore is not able to judge the game.

Not to say I hate fantasy or anything, I like Warhammer and read the LOTR books(not just the movies, then declare to be a buff).

The series still bites...

De Ronneman:
Apperently I have a terminal condition called a social life, and I don't like D&D a lot anyway...

I fear The Escapist have gone all Mass Effect 2 on us. By that I mean that the mere mentioning of adult media draws lonely gamer-viewers as well as lonely D&D player-viewers.

Sorry, it's still dreary(for non-intimi) old D&D, no matter who plays it...

Soooo... people play D&D by themselves, huh? Absolutely no social interaction of any kind? They have imaginary friends who play the other characters?

Oh no, wait, I get it. Since D&D is for "nerds" only, that means they are the stereotype who are socially awkward, wear broken glasses, have pocket protectors, and have no friends to play the game with. I guess the same goes for anybody who plays video games, 'cause most of those are played alone. You don't need to talk to anybody at all. Man, people who play games in general are nerds with no social life.

Edit: Maybe I'm taking this too far. I just read your other post, so maybe you didn't mean to so blatantly insult gamers. For that I apologize.

I think the best analogy I can think of for my reaction to this series goes a little something like this:

I like kittens. I also like milkshakes. However, I wouldn't want a milkshake made from kittens. Or even a kitten-flavored milkshake.

I love D&D, and I like porn. I even like these particular pornstars. That may well be a contributing factor for why this series just feels somehow wrong to me. I could write a rather long post on what I think the psychological reasons are for that, but I think I'll let it lie.

As far as suggestions for the show as a whole... more coherent editing and a longer runtime would probably make it easier to digest.

Megido:

De Ronneman:
Apperently I have a terminal condition called a social life, and I don't like D&D a lot anyway...

I fear The Escapist have gone all Mass Effect 2 on us. By that I mean that the mere mentioning of adult media draws lonely gamer-viewers as well as lonely D&D player-viewers.

Sorry, it's still dreary(for non-intimi) old D&D, no matter who plays it...

Soooo... people play D&D by themselves, huh? Absolutely no social interaction of any kind? They have imaginary friends who play the other characters?

Oh no, wait, I get it. Since D&D is for "nerds" only, that means they are the stereotype who are socially awkward, wear broken glasses, have pocket protectors, and have no friends to play the game with. I guess the same goes for anybody who plays video games, 'cause most of those are played alone. You don't need to talk to anybody at all. Man, people who play games in general are nerds with no social life.

Edit: Maybe I'm taking this too far. I just read your other post, so maybe you didn't mean to so blatantly insult gamers. For that I apologize.

You edited the second I clicked "quote", so you get sent off with only a minor rant:

NO: I do not think all people who play D&D are nerds.
YES: I realise you don't play it alone.
YES: I am a gamer, and I do consider myself to be quite the nerd to be honest.
YES: I am a dipshit at times, but only on weekdays. On weekends I'm a loveable guy.
YES: I stereotyped, but only because it's easier to make a point with stereotypes. Please tell me I'm not the only one who feels somewhat insulted by the idea that we(the nerds, gamers and other social challenged people) should watch a series about adult actrices(and actors, but noone cares for them) who do nerdy(apologies) things, just because of their profession.

I genuinly feel insulted. Not by you(Megido), but more by the guy(it HAS to have been a guy) who decided to pick this show for the Escapist...

Why is a group of women playing D&D with questionable outfits and with aboslutely nothing interesting going on considered worthy of becoming a full series?

Seriously, I thought nothing would get worse than Game Dogs but this....this is just so....boring!

De Ronneman:

EL SNIP

To be honest I do, because I find it easy for a dungeon master to break a game if he decides pretty much what happens to everyone, the amount of exp you gain and where you end up 'n stuff.

As for not having fun with it, I said, in the piece you handily cut of the quote, that it's " dreary(for non-intimi) old D&D, no matter who plays it..."

I talked about who played it, but it also shows what I am, someone who never got D&D, and therefore is not able to judge the game.

Not to say I hate fantasy or anything, I like Warhammer and read the LOTR books(not just the movies, then declare to be a buff).

I was more responding to your implications that "having a social life" and "roleplaying" are mutually exclusive elements.

I suppose I just don't understand why people consider DnD and other RPG's "anti-social". Hell RPG's almost REQUIRE you to interact with other people face to face and are far more "social" by my measure than being an anonymous twat over Xbox Live.

It's odd, I've been roleplaying for so long I often ask myself what do people who don't roleplay even DO with their Saturday Nights that's so much more special than what I do? I mean I suppose if your single you might be out looking for a date, and if your Significant Other is a non-gamer you probably want to spend time with them, but what about everyone else?

I dunno, most of my friends are roleplayers, my girlfriend is a roleplayer, this is what we want to DO with our Saturday Nights instead of wasting our money drinking over priced booze and listening to painfully loud music at a crappy bar, why is that so weird?

PedroSteckecilo:

De Ronneman:

EL SNIP

To be honest I do, because I find it easy for a dungeon master to break a game if he decides pretty much what happens to everyone, the amount of exp you gain and where you end up 'n stuff.

As for not having fun with it, I said, in the piece you handily cut of the quote, that it's " dreary(for non-intimi) old D&D, no matter who plays it..."

I talked about who played it, but it also shows what I am, someone who never got D&D, and therefore is not able to judge the game.

Not to say I hate fantasy or anything, I like Warhammer and read the LOTR books(not just the movies, then declare to be a buff).

I was more responding to your implications that "having a social life" and "roleplaying" are mutually exclusive elements.

I suppose I just don't understand why people consider DnD and other RPG's "anti-social". Hell RPG's almost REQUIRE you to interact with other people face to face and are far more "social" by my measure than being an anonymous twat over Xbox Live.

It's odd, I've been roleplaying for so long I often ask myself what do people who don't roleplay even DO with their Saturday Nights that's so much more special than what I do? I mean I suppose if your single you might be out looking for a date, and if your Significant Other is a non-gamer you probably want to spend time with them, but what about everyone else?

I dunno, most of my friends are roleplayers, my girlfriend is a roleplayer, this is what we want to DO with our Saturday Nights instead of wasting our money drinking over priced booze and listening to painfully loud music at a crappy bar, why is that so weird?

Oh, I have to reply to this in the same way I did Megido:

NO: I am not a beerguzzling man-whore.
NO: I don't have a girlfriend atm.
YES: I play RPG's, but not as much as I used to. I messed up school for them in my(earlier) youth.
NO: I don't think RPG's are anti-social. It's, as I put out, a stereotype, used to make a point, being somewhat a hyperbole.

AND, most important: I hate club music. There's a bar I attend every once in a good while, but since the music is usually oldschool rock it's okay. I go there because I actually want to hear what my friends tell me, in stead of just seeing lips move, voice killed by the sound of the newest Rihanna song mixed by some local DJ.

AND BY GOD, no local DJ is allowed to quote this. Again, hyperbole!

De Ronneman:
You edited the second I clicked "quote", so you get sent off with only a minor rant:

NO: I do not think all people who play D&D are nerds.
YES: I realise you don't play it alone.
YES: I am a gamer, and I do consider myself to be quite the nerd to be honest.
YES: I am a dipshit at times, but only on weekdays. On weekends I'm a loveable guy.
YES: I stereotyped, but only because it's easier to make a point with stereotypes. Please tell me I'm not the only one who feels somewhat insulted by the idea that we(the nerds, gamers and other social challenged people) should watch a series about adult actrices(and actors, but noone cares for them) who do nerdy(apologies) things, just because of their profession.

I genuinly feel insulted. Not by you(Megido), but more by the guy(it HAS to have been a guy) who decided to pick this show for the Escapist...

You make a good point. Maybe one of the reasons I dislike the show so much is that I feel the same way as you; insulted that it is supposed to (and apparently is much to my dismay) appeal to the "nerd" crowd.

I really wish stereotypes weren't true, but the fact that this boring show is supposedly very popular is kinda throwing that right in our faces. It has no merits beyond that it contains attractive women, yet, according to Archon, it has had the biggest opening of any show on the Escapist. I can only hope that's due to the shit storm it's causing, and not because lots of people actually like it.

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