Zero Punctuation: Battlefield: Bad Company 2

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Knifewounds:
Dust! Yahtzee's new arch nemesis

Its more like one of QTE's dastardly henchmen.Along with Sir Realistic and the Great Gate Guardian of the Border Between Story and Gameplay.

For this I fucking love you. If anything you were saying at the start of this video was said with sincerity I whole heartedly agree, and further smilingly handshakingly blowjobbingly agree with every statement about "realistic" FPS(s). I hate them, I'm sick of the splooging over them, I loathe the player base and everything it is driving games towards. Rather than buy this I will go get very drunk and play Vice City, basking in the colours through the vomit encrusted screen, pasting the sunny pseduo Californian path with the brains of roller-blading sluts to the tune of 80s rock.

Anticitizen_Two:

Hunter.Wolf:
fanboy snip

Hold on... you claimed that even more of your opinions were facts... you said "you're doing it wrong" about 500 times... you completely ignored every single one of my arguments and just said STFU IM RIGHT... you're actually becoming MORE of a fanboy! This is fascinating.

I hope you realize that there is no absolutely substance to your arguments.

Oh, and say whatever you like in response to this, but I'm done here. I have much better things to do than listen to people who cannot separate their opinions from fact whine about how their generic modern class-based multiplayer FPS is just soooooooooooooooo much better than all the other generic modern class-based multiplayer FPSes.

Good day.

I see what you did just there .. accusing me of being fanboy and instead of replying with any useful examples or even proper arguments you just keep ignoring simple facts and calling them "my opinion" (easy ticket .. huh) to avoid making any arguments aganist them cause you clearly haven't played the game for more than a couple of hours if not less .. if at all .. i already did mention several examples and you in return provided nothing at all.

Any person can clearly see what makes BC2 an excellent online game (tons of team work encouraging mechanics like spotting and rewards for every team-serving action, many varied vehicles to pilot, gameplay focuses on tactical objectives not mindless frag-fests, realistic ballistics behavior, destruction model that eliminates camping and makes fights more intense ... etc etc) which rarely any other online game offers.

But you just keep ignoring simple facts with your "opinion" ticket flashing whenever you feel you are in pinch (yeah .. like a simple fact that even a 5 years old can get .. you HP regens slowly in BC2 compared to any other game with regenerating HP.. that's why you need med-kits to survive longer)... you don't have much arguments to begin with .. not to mention i have already replied to every misinformed argument you tried to flash .. but you failed at saying anything meaningful in return other than "your opinion".

Wish you had watched the video though ... but your attitude just tells me you won't benefit from it at all anyway ... go back to your mindless noobish frag-fests .. you have embarrassed yourself enough for one day.

I know ZP goes for the "funny" rather than reviewing the game, but to not even mention the multiplayer (which is essentially what this game is, the single player is nothing more than tacked on bonus content) is just ... weird.
The single player is very lacklustre, yes, but too difficult? I breezed through it on hard and I wouldn't say I was an elite pro big boy gamer.

Bad company 2 is brilliant, one of the best multiplayer games on the pc right now, just in case you didn't get that from the review.

By the by, since when has this or modern warfare ever been referred to as "realistic"? Is this what is seen as punishing realism in console world? :D

F8L Fool:

Silk_Sk:
Yahtzee should really stop reviewing games that everyone buys for the multiplayer.

Agreed. I have watched every one of his reviews on this site, and the ones I enjoyed the absolute least were the games that are either successful thanks to their multiplayer components (Halo, Gears of War, Call of Duty, Bad Company, etc.), or have a terrible one that would be amusing to rip to shreds.

The sad thing is Croshaw thinks that multiplayer is useless. My bad, let me use an exact quote rather than speculate: "Unfortunately I don't give a flying sh*t about multiplayer, and neither do a lot of people." (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/8-Halo-3)

That mentality really carries over to every single game he reviews. I hate to burst your bubble Croshaw, but millions of people care about multiplayer. Hence why the games built around it absolutely demolish the games that lack it in terms of sales and popularity. So by you not actually giving an accurate (or any) account of a games multiplayer, you're successfully excluding an enormous portion of the market.

I just don't get how a reviewer in this day and age could not touch on multiplayer in a game. You wouldn't go to a movie blindfolded and complain about the lack of visiuals, just like you shouldn't play a game without touching on the multiplayer and whining about the lack of complexity, depth, replayability, quality, or whatever redeeming quality that multiplayer typically serves as in this day and age.

Yes you are right because mass effect 1 and 2, Bioshock 1 and 2, Fallout 3, MGS 4 and god of war (ALL OF THEM) were all terribly "demolished" because they lacked a strong (or any) multiplayer. Seriously?

I like this review because he mention a panther. And I love panthers

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Cute panther kittens FTW

Wicky_42:

XxScottocsxX:
I honestly don't see where all this praise is coming from for BFBC2.

If Yahtzee actually reviewed BFBC2 for it's multiplayer I would be seeing a lot more butthurt fanboism than I am now.

The multiplayer is definitly the centre peace of any Battlefield game. I will even go as far as to say, yes, BFBC2 has a sick multiplayer that is a whole bundle of fun. The singleplayer, not so much.

But why all the praise? Is it the fanboism? The MULTIPLAYER is broken for a larger majority of people playing without a stable/playable connection. And yet EA/DICE go on promoting there half assed attempt of a launch.

Stats don't update reguarly or as they should, When some people get into a game it is full of lag, the server browser is an afterthought. I actually like this game, and yet I seem to be finding that the BETA Was more stable than it's full release.

When DICE/EA deliver on a stable/workable multiplayer only then would I ever defend or "praise" them as a Game Developer/Publisher. The constant "This is really actually the best game of all time" Absolute Bull Shite. It isn't. Its a another generic FPS that is no better than MW2.

Is the multiplayer still broken for you? For the first week it was absolutely SHOCKING, but I've been enjoying great, fast connections as of late. Most fun I've had in an online FPS for a VERY long time :D

One note about the 'high pings' - the in-game ping display is actually server-side latency that helps to absorb lag effects. The ping you see in the server browser is your connection speed.

Well yeah it is. I can get into UK servers, Russian servers and even New Zealand Servers, but rarely do I get into a 100% dinky dei Aussie Server. :S

Oh ok... so its not ping, it's latency.. fare enough..... :)
Im going to attempt another session tonight and see how it all goes. Im guessing from Dice's previous launch history, it may take some time to get sorted.

By no means did I say this is a bad game, I just like to enjoy a stable Multiplayer/Interface. :) See you on the battlefield people's! No matter where you are! xD

Well the Video entertained me, which is all it needs to do.

So job well done, now run along and start sifting through all the mail sent by your adoring fans with review suggestions.

Oh, and happy Birthday, whenever it is.
Don't know why I said that, but I said it all the same.

MR T3D:
he think its trying to be realistic, and reviews a very MP focused game.
...
...amusing in a cute, "this isn't the type of game you should review" way.

Yahtzee never forgives a game because the multiplayer allegedly makes up for a lacklustre single player experience. He doesn't like multiplayer, remember?

Hunter.Wolf:

Anticitizen_Two:

Hunter.Wolf:
fanboy snip

Hold on... you claimed that even more of your opinions were facts... you said "you're doing it wrong" about 500 times... you completely ignored every single one of my arguments and just said STFU IM RIGHT... you're actually becoming MORE of a fanboy! This is fascinating.

I hope you realize that there is no absolutely substance to your arguments.

Oh, and say whatever you like in response to this, but I'm done here. I have much better things to do than listen to people who cannot separate their opinions from fact whine about how their generic modern class-based multiplayer FPS is just soooooooooooooooo much better than all the other generic modern class-based multiplayer FPSes.

Good day.

I see what you did just there .. accusing me of being fanboy and instead of replying with any useful examples or even proper arguments you just keep ignoring simple facts and calling them "my opinion" (easy ticket .. huh) to avoid making any arguments aganist them cause you clearly haven't played the game for more than a couple of hours if not less .. if at all .. i already did mention several examples and you in return provided nothing at all.

Any person can clearly see what makes BC2 an excellent online game (tons of team work encouraging mechanics like spotting and rewards for every team-serving action, many varied vehicles to pilot, gameplay focuses on tactical objectives not mindless frag-fests, realistic ballistics behavior, destruction model that eliminates camping and makes fights more intense ... etc etc) which rarely any other online game offers.

But you just keep ignoring simple facts with your "opinion" ticket flashing whenever you feel you are in pinch (yeah .. like a simple fact that even a 5 years old can get .. you HP regens slowly in BC2 compared to any other game with regenerating HP.. that's why you need med-kits to survive longer)... you don't have much arguments to begin with .. not to mention i have already replied to every misinformed argument you tried to flash .. but you failed at saying anything meaningful in return other than "your opinion".

Wish you had watched the video though ... but your attitude just tells me you won't benefit from it at all anyway ... go back to your mindless noobish frag-fests .. you have embarrassed yourself enough for one day.

You both make good points, but at the end of the day, you're both just arguing your own opinion. Arguments like this (ramming your heads together) are pointless and only serve to annoy one another. I hope you're both satisfied.

OT: I much thoroughly enjoyed Battlefield's multiplayer, and couldn't care less about the singleplayer. The only time I don't have fun is when playing on my own/in a squad with randomers. I can see what Yahtzee said about dust though... and snow.

i will pay you to do a Zero Punctuation on the cheap porn videos under the name of "kill me with an axe please" they need a solid back hand ... to the face

And yet, I still love the game :D

Kermi:
Yahtzee never forgives a game because the multiplayer allegedly makes up for a lacklustre single player experience. He doesn't like multiplayer, remember?

The Godfather was a shit movie because I don't like parts without shooting, therefore I didn't watch those parts. I watched the parts with shooting and they sucked at being action sequences. Therefore, the Godfather sucked.[1]

Same logic.

Anyways, the video is meant to entertain, not inform. Sometimes Yahtzee raises good criticisms of the gaming industry. Sometimes he just spews insults to be funny. I'm not saying one of these is better, but this time, it was the latter.

[1] I don't actually believe that

The least I can say is that if it IS a MW2 ripoff (which it isn't because the CoD franchise ripped BF off first, but that's beside the point), then it is a ripoff that is better than the game it is ripping off.

Multiplayer sucks until you get magnum ammunition, or stopping power.

So wait, he 'reviewed' a battlefield game without mentioning the multiplayer? Seriously? That's like reviewing portal without mentioning the portal gun.

Probably the first review I've seen on here which was complete bullshit.

I mean, really? Did he only discuss the singleplayer? I've enjoyed over 60 hours of this game and haven't even finished the singleplayer mode, I probably won't, because the singleplayer mode is bad. It's an improvement over last BF games (or the lack thereof), but it's still bad.

The destructable terrain (decently done, not like in Red Faction) is one of the most refreshing things I've seen in multiplayer FPS shooters in the last decade. It's done believable enough, looks good to me and creates some new gameplay mechanics, one of the most balanced games I've played, class wise as well. But I like realistic shooters, I guess that makes me a bad person for not wanting BRIGHT COLOURS!!!! and liking dust in a warzone.

Playing on PC btw.

I actually liked the game, but whatever, to each his own.

please do silent hill shattered memories I've been waiting for it forever!

ForgottenPr0digy:
I like this review because he mention a panther. And I love panthers

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Cute panther kittens FTW

WIN!!!

also ye BC2 is a rip of MW2 wich In my opinion sucx... FUCK realism! Mario had no realism!...

its time videogame industry goes in a different direction. Realism is a hard used up lover :P

PS: you should give BC2 multiplayer a go. it excells at that, belive me :D

I actually properly laughed at the part with "pounded in to the dirt"... which is bad because im in my uni library...

jarredtheawesome:

Formica Archonis:
"Perfectly square-shaped hole". I have to ask: Is Yahtzee exaggerating, or does the game really blow SQUARE holes in things?

HUGE exaggeration

Thanks! Had me nervous for a second there.

Mromson:

Infernal_Me:
Single player was cool but the MP was god awful.
Anyone else see the irony of the AD for BFBF2 overlaying the video while watching him rip into it?

Did you play the Console version of BFBC2 MP or something?

YEs I played the Console version. I loved Battlefield 1943, I enjoyed BC one but the MP in this game was garbage at best. In game you have no sense of surroundings, The grainy effect they washed the game with really does a disservice to the graphics and your ability to see crap. The leveling system is awful and the "Perk" system was uninspired. The loading just to play a mp game took longer than it needed to be and the navigation through screens was ricockulous.

I have to say I agree with him on everything even though I really enjoyed the game. Well, it passed the time for me. Although I got through that mortar part after my fifth try, I figured out I had to squeeze real close to the big destroyed walls. (Also, sniping in multiplayer is amazing.)

Damnit... an there i was having all my retard friends saying "AMAZING GAME! AMAZING GAME! GET IT GET IT GET IT! If i hadn't jus waited 10minutes.... before running off to the store to get it (X.x)

Kermi:

MR T3D:
he think its trying to be realistic, and reviews a very MP focused game.
...
...amusing in a cute, "this isn't the type of game you should review" way.

Yahtzee never forgives a game because the multiplayer allegedly makes up for a lacklustre single player experience. He doesn't like multiplayer, remember?

Still its cute that out of all the people on the site, his tastes are least suited to it, and he reviews it.
delicious irony.

Anyone saying BFBD2 is MW2 rip off needs to play the bloody game. The only similarities is that it's a modern combat setting.

And ye, not really funny this review IMO. SP is something i don't even look at in this game. Battlefield didn't even have a SP campaign in the old games.

That said, BF2 is probably still my favourite.

MR T3D:
he think its trying to be realistic, and reviews a very MP focused game.
...
...amusing in a cute, "this isn't the type of game you should review" way.

Is MP focused a PC way of saying "We suck at making video games"?

Just about anyone can make a multiplayer game that gets tons of players. There are facebook games that are just multiplayer with many times the players of BFBC2. Mainly because it doesn't take much to make a multiplayer game.

You make a game with marginally nice qualities, add in a ranking system, add in multiplayer, and you are done. The epeens will do the rest for you.

I didn't watch this until just a few minutes ago, and oddly it was right after I started playing Bad Company 2 for the first time. I quit during the third mission and was delighted to see that I wasn't the only one complaining about copious amounts of dust and Modern Warfare similarities.

The thing is, I love Bad Company 1; it's one of my favorite games. The humor was great, the characters were memorable, the gameplay was a blast, and overall I enjoyed the game more than Modern Warfare 1 or 2. After two hours of playing Bad Company 2, I'm starting to see that a lot of the things I liked have been stripped away. No more auto injector, extremely linear levels, very little humor, and the whole thing screams 'Call of Duty clone'.

That's pretty disappointing considering that one of the things I liked about the first game was that it wasn't trying to be Call of Duty. But hey, who needs fun? Strip that away, add some gritty realism, make the characters planks of wood who could fill a swear jar in thirty seconds, put a little regenerating health in there, and there you go! Let's beat Modern Warfare 2 by being exactly like it.

One more thing: did the gaming industry just hear the term "oscar mike" not that long ago? I've heard more "oscar mikes" in games in the past year than I've heard any other phrase. It almost reminds me of a two year old learning a new word and celebrating it by saying it again and again. I'd turn it into a drinking game, but I'd be on the transplant list for a new liver before I completed Modern Warfare 2's campaign.

People bought bad company 2 for the singleplayer?

Honestly, I haven't even touched the singleplayer yet, but I'm rank 6 in multiplayer.

theultimateend:

Is MP focused a PC way of saying "We suck at making video games"?

Just about anyone can make a multiplayer game that gets tons of players. There are facebook games that are just multiplayer with many times the players of BFBC2. Mainly because it doesn't take much to make a multiplayer game.

You make a game with marginally nice qualities, add in a ranking system, add in multiplayer, and you are done. The epeens will do the rest for you.

Yeah, because your formula you just told me is just simple to do.

"Hey guys! It's easy to do physics! You just come up with a theory, back it up with some maths and distribute it to the wider community. Get a good PR guy and a few lawyers to patent it for you and there you go, physics super star!". :\

Cardo 8 ATL:
Ha. A liberal bashing Fox News, huh? Never seen that before.

Stick to game reviews.

Since when has it been liberals that bashed fox news? I thought it was everyone with >= 1/4 of a brain?

Ha. A liberal bashing Fox News, huh? Never seen that before.

Stick to game reviews.

ares5566:
please do silent hill shattered memories I've been waiting for it forever!

Not out in Australia yet,frustrating but true.

SHENANIGANS! yahtzee has this thing about reviewing multiplayer because "a game should be able to stand on its single player alone"

should it hell, if you make a game with multiplayer in mind review the multiplayer aswell of course bad companies singleplayer was going to be shit because THEY SPENT ALL THE MONEY ON MULTIPLAYER

if you don't like multiplayer games then review a singleplayer game

reviewing a multi player game and giving it a bad review due to the single player bit is like watching a footballer play keepy up and calling him shit everytime he drops the ball.

bc2 and mw2 had dire sp campaigns the mp was pretty good in both tho. so its unfair to give it a single player review.

yahtzee doesnt do it cos hes shit at multiplayer like me but atleast i dont pretend its some kind of moral objection to games being made with a multiplayer focus.

i love yahtzee but slating games every week gets old. im not even a bc2 fanboy im just right.

madbird-valiant:
I wasn't exactly thrilled with the first game either. What is it with destructable environments anyway? They look pretty but they never really seem to do anything other than clusterfucking the landscape and giving you an option between doorway and hole in the wall. They can bang on about (and I just read about the guy making Body Count bang on about for about three pages) how they alter tactics and strategy and you can't just hide from tanks in inpenetrable buildings anymore, but the fact is that pretty much every player out there is going to treat it almost exactly the same as they would any Call of Duty of Medal of Honor. I thought we were over this shit about the time Black came out.

I like the destructible landscape since I am able to go into a roof top and blow holes where I want to look out. The enemy is probably aimed on the doorway so i am gonna blow up a hole in back of the house.

Come to think of it, there are quite a bit of dust; but truthfully, between the cardboard building and all the blurring light I got from the scopes, I didn't cross my mind. In any case, I thought those were just my PC; I thought I need to upgrade my computer ( although it puzzles me to think that my PC runs MW2 just fine, while this one doesn't).

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