Zero Punctuation: Battlefield: Bad Company 2

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Arrhghrghrh

Why does people even play the single player? Its a multiplayer game, like every Battlefield before it.
Also, if you fail at the multiplayer, get some friends and play as a squad. Usually one organized squad dominate the enitre match.

Abedeus:

canadamus_prime:

Abedeus:

canadamus_prime:
So it's just MW2... again. ...joy. /sarcasm
Oh yeah and Yahtzee, that bit at the end of the credits was more information than I needed, thanks.

Try watching an actual review instead of a parody (ZP), with video footage of the gameplay. Then watch a MW2 video. Of multiplayer, of course.

Then dare to say they are the same.

*sniff sniff* I smell a fanboy.

That's you. Yahtzee is not really a serious reviewer. He's an entertainer.

Also, you didn't bother to respond to the "no multiplayer review" argument.

No, not I. You're the one making a federal case out of this.

Char-Nobyl:

Abedeus:

Char-Nobyl:

Abedeus:
God... what next, you will review WoW without mentioning the multiplayer? You will review it based on your experience at the login screen and game's options?

THIS IS BATTLEFIELD. MULTIPLAYER IS 95% OF THE GAME.

Boo-hoo. I guess asking for games that bother to put in a single player mode not to half-ass them is too much for them to handle. I mean, it's not like they could release a game that's only based on multiplayer and focus solely on making that good.

Ah, wait a second. They already did that. It starts with a 'C' and ends in 'ounterstrike.'

So your argument is that "if SP is bad, don't put it in at all"? Quit while you're ahead?

Since you love gross oversimplifications, I'll use a real-world parallel: if you can cook an amazing steak dinner, there's no logical reason you should be compelled to take a dump on a plate and serve it as an appetizer. It will only hurt your reputation, no matter how amazing a cook you are otherwise, and people are well within their rights to call that 'meal' the piece of shite that it is.

Abedeus:
Battlefield has been a multiplayer-focused game since the beginning. Not reviewing the multiplayer part is like saying "Oh, Team Fortress 2? Crappy game, bots are stupid and it's very hard to play on your own!!! And no tutorials!!"

Except that Team Fortress 2 doesn't try and pretend that it offers an amazing single-player experience. It knows what it is, and has no illusions to the contrary. Unlike Battlefield, apparently.

at what point does BC2 "pretend to offer an amazing single-player experience"? Have you even read the box? Did you read the reviews? Did you read the previews and first impressions? This game has been billed as a multiplayer ticket since the beginning. It's a multiplayer game where the single player serves to introduce you to various weapons and mechanics that you'll be using regularly in multi, such as mortar strikes, vehicle combat, destructible cover, and sniping/spotting. Personally, I'm glad they included a way to familiarize yourself with the mechanics in a way that includes a plot and occassionally amusing NPCs so that when you hit multi, you do it at a brisk stride instead of a crawl. It's better than nothing, to be certain; just ask anyone who's hopped into their first CS game.

Anticitizen_Two:
Thank God someone else dislikes this game. Admittedly, Yahtzee hates almost everything, but still. My friends are gigantic FPS thickies to the point where they play no other genres, and they think that the multiplayer is amazing. I look at it and I fail to see what makes it different from any other damn shooter.

Abedeus:
Try watching an actual review instead of a parody (ZP), with video footage of the gameplay. Then watch a MW2 video. Of multiplayer, of course.

Then dare to say they are the same.

I, personally, fail to see any major difference.

If you call your friends "gigantic FPS thickies", I question whether you've played enough FPSes to distinguish the difference between MW2 and BC2. MW2 features fast, frenetic combat in tight areas, while BC2 features much greater implementation of tactical approaches and teamwork. Everyone has a job in BC2, and you will lose if most of your team isn't doing their job correctly. Recons spot and mortar, medics fix you up, engies handle vehicles, and assaults handle ground troops. If you took out all of the vehicles, cut the maps by a quarter of their size, and removed all of the kits but assault, only then would BC2 be the same as MW2. And none of this is mentioning that the destructible cover brings a great deal of tactical consideration to attacking objectives. Simply protecting an enclosed objective isn't enough when a rival team can use tank artillery to simply bring the building down on top of it, and mortar strikes/air support can turn an entrenched force's cover into a clearing if properly used. Those simply aren't options in MW2.

No surprise here. Everyone has said that the single-player campaign wasn't all that great, and since everyone praises it for the multiplayer, Yahtzee wouldn't give a crap. Well, I guess I'll be passing this one for the time being.

Yahtzee Croshaw:
Battlefield: Bad Company 2

This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Battlefield: Bad Company 2.

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So, but this time I've got to say that you're absolutely WRONG, Yahtzee. Sure, there are many similarities with Modern Warfare 2, but there are much more difference in it that makes it a so much more better game overall. For example, why give a player many, many explosives if you cannot use them because you enemy is hiding in a house behind a wall that you cannot reach; with BFBC2, all one has to do is grenade, C4, or whatever else to blow that wall up and then the enemy is a sitting duck.

Also, you must play the online parts. I know, I know, you hate online games and would much rather LAN something with a bunch of your sailor....er, your buddies, but trust me. There's a significant difference between MW2's grenade+knife throwing spammy small mapped matches and BFBC2's large maps of chaotic fights with vehicles, bullets, explosives, destruction, insanity, and just good ol' fun.

P.S. In the multiplayer, you can either defibrillate an enemy to death or use a repair tool to drill their skull....HOW IS THAT NOT FUN?!

Edit:

awatkins:

Abedeus:

Thibaut:
Thank you Yahtzee, thank you for still being the best reviewer in the world by pointing out what's truly wrong with a game.

He's not a reviewer. How can you call it a review, where you forget to talk about 95% of the game?

If you don't like the format that Yahtzee presents HIS internet videos than don't watch them. Simple as that, when I dont like whats on the radio I put a CD on and when I go down town on a Friday night I stick to Irish Pubs instead of Dance Clubs. Why? Because I don't subject myself to something that I'll spend the next fortnight complaining about.

I like his videos. I just don't treat them seriously. Like pretty much anyone who has been here for a longer time, I know that his "reviews" aren't worth a diddly.

Char-Nobyl:

Except that Team Fortress 2 doesn't try and pretend that it offers an amazing single-player experience. It knows what it is, and has no illusions to the contrary. Unlike Battlefield, apparently.

Yes, Battlefield, the multiplayer-focused series should be only reviewed by looking at its single player. You are absolutely right.

Anticitizen_Two:
Thank God someone else dislikes this game. Admittedly, Yahtzee hates almost everything, but still. My friends are gigantic FPS thickies to the point where they play no other genres, and they think that the multiplayer is amazing. I look at it and I fail to see what makes it different from any other damn shooter.

Maybe because you only look at it. Try playing a sniper after 10 years of multiplayer gaming, but forgetting that any Engineer, Assault or any of the vehicles can not just destroy the wall you are hiding behind, but also collapse the entire building on you.

Show's getting a lot of dicks and tits now..

I would consider getting BC2 if they weren't being such arrogant assholes about the game. They make fun, moch, and try to one-up MW2 at every corner. Sorry, how much have you borrowed from the Modern Warfare series and you still feel you're better then it? Shut the fuck DICE.

Shame he didn't try the multiplayer bit.. then he could moan about the knife being like a nuclear enhanced light saber. That could cut down the emperor, darth vader and the entire jedi council in a single swing. The real problem of the game! Though the dust is spot-on too, i guess.. i haven't touched singleplayer of this game though. And Mr Y. is really obsessed with only trying the single player bits.

Iamjacksego:
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I've found the kits in Bad Company 2 to be incredibly ineffective as a system. All of them are quite capable of killing people, which really detracts from them each having their own specific job. It starts to get a lot closer to simply choosing your primary weapon, which is exactly how the class system in MW2 works. Also, the fact that you can pick up kits completely ruins the entire system for me. For an example of a good class system, I would point to the Team Fortress series, although primarily TF2. I've never been a fan of how the Battlefield series operated its kits. And while it's true that the maps are larger than the ones in MW2, my experiences have led me to conclude that there's not much more strategy to be had. People do travel in packs a bit more, but there's no coherent sense of teamwork that is so prevalent in, say, Counter-Strike. Sure, it appears to be there; there are medics and ammo packs, but when it comes down to it they're not necessary. Health regenerates and you very rarely find yourself low on ammo (at least from my experience). The core gameplay of the two games is incredibly similar: in both of them one man is able to rack up kill after kill after kill if they're skilled enough. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but there's not enough of a focus on the collective team to truthfully label BC2 as being that much more focused on the collective.

Abedeus:
Maybe because you only look at it. Try playing a sniper after 10 years of multiplayer gaming, but forgetting that any Engineer, Assault or any of the vehicles can not just destroy the wall you are hiding behind, but also collapse the entire building on you.

Well, I worded that poorly. I have played the game. For my exact complaints about the game you can read my above response.

I wasn't bothered by any of the visual distractions (dust, faded distance, etc.) whenever I saw videos of gameplay, but I definitely agree about the realism. I think I might go play some Quake 3 now, maybe some Serious Sam...

Slight side note, why is it that everyone thinks that you shouldn't take Yahtzee seriously? There is a slight difference between a reviewer, and what Yahtzee is trying to be, a critic. The objective of a reviewer is to tell you whether or not it is worth buying or at the very least looking into a game. A critic is supposed to point out all of the flaws and high points in that game. That's why he never says "Buy it" or "Skip it" at the end of his reviews. His objective is to look into a game, and find the flaws, rather than look at the things worth mentioning that are good. Take him seriously, just don't let him be the only factor when you decide on getting a game.

Please, Yahtzee, for once in your life, play the multi-player of this game. It's not even the same bloody game when you do. I started playing the MP of this game and haven't once touched the single player. People buy this game FOR the MP. That's the major selling point.

VGFreak1225:
Slight side note, why is it that everyone thinks that you shouldn't take Yahtzee seriously? There is a slight difference between a reviewer, and what Yahtzee is trying to be, a critic. The objective of a reviewer is to tell you whether or not it is worth buying or at the very least looking into a game. A critic is supposed to point out all of the flaws and high points in that game. That's why he never says "Buy it" or "Skip it" at the end of his reviews. His objective is to look into a game, and find the flaws, rather than look at the things worth mentioning that are good. Take him seriously, just don't let him be the only factor when you decide on getting a game.

Because when critic chooses only one thing to mock, and ignores everything that makes the thing great, then the critic is pretty damn bad.

Also, if a 3rd person looked at his video, he wouldn't even know that the game even HAS a multiplayer mode.

Am I the only one who gets the impression that Yatzhee is acting like the school bully, picking on games that are clearly intended as a multiplayer expierence for their single-player? It's like reviewing a turn based game and yelling at the designers for having slow combat. This isn't the first time either. He did the same for Borderlands and (arguably) MW2. I have noticed him making an exception for a certian zombie-based Valve game. This seems to me as unprofessional of him to do. Anyway, that's my two cents. Not as funny of a video as the Heavy Rain one. I chuckled.

Awww, I was hoping he was going to review Final Fantasy XIII, which he is actually playing according to his Twitter. Maybe next week. Can't wait to see him tear it to pieces before my eyes!

Oh, and today's ZP was pretty good too. I'm not much of a shooter fan, so B:BC2 never really interested me to begin with, but I assume Yahtzee knows what he's talking about.

the single player experience is, well, mediocre. the multiplayer game on the other hand is much more fulfilling, comparatively.

my only real gripe with the game is that it needs at least a half dozen more well thought out maps that should be applied to all game modes.

the destructible environment is useful in several ways, eliminating cover (trees, sandbags etc) and creating new and interesting entrances to buildings. Both of these aspects alone provide a expanded multiplayer experience, by not forcing you into well known bottlenecks or allowing campers a total field day. several of the multiplayer modes can also be rather simply accomplished with the destruction of the building the objective is in. which turns out to be rather handy.

overall it's more like battlefield and less like MW... several people really tend to forget which came before and which evolved from which.

I like this game, quite a bit more than MW2.

Then again, I play Battlefield games for the multiplayer, which Yahtzee doesn't give two shits about.

This game is nothing like Modern Warfare...i understand why he didn't like it if he was only playing the single player that was definitely sub par

CORRODED SIN:
I would consider getting BC2 if they weren't being such arrogant assholes about the game. They make fun, moch, and try to one-up MW2 at every corner. Sorry, how much have you borrowed from the Modern Warfare series and you still feel you're better then it? Shut the fuck DICE.

You are aware that DICE created a game with modern-day weapons, setting and an unlock/ranking system before Infinity Ward, right? Ever hear of Battlefield 2?

russia is used because russia is a good enemy, they are on equal grounds of power, they are kind of mysterious, and they have no mercy
why the hell would you not use russia? who do you want to fight, france? belgium? canada? a small african country? i bet you hate tv shows with a re-occurring bad guy too.

but really? blow their own nuts off if they were handed a real gun? i could have sworn that throughout the world right wingers where known as gun crazy militants who spend every lunch break at the shooting range?
or you know what? maybe he is half right here, most of the fps players ive ever played with still call a magazine a "clip" so ive got to imagine they WOULD blow their own nuts off given a real gun, but ive also got to imagine they were scared of the damn gun, and had a picture of BO on their wall, because its more than a likelihood.

seriously yahtzee, its getting annoying, i cant enjoy these reviews when you put your political shit into them
its like eating a nice sandwich with branston pickle, but about half way through youve discovered that the smarmy prick who made it for you unloaded his spunk into it. i dont like spunk yahtzee. (who am i kidding, this whole community would probably love get get some of that sandwich)

Tbh i really enjoy the game, ive been a huge fan of the series since BF2, and BFBC2 is basically the same, except with the destruction. i love Yahtzee and all of his reviews, he always says something that makes me think instead of just loving or just hating a game, however i think he is wrong on this one. We all know Yahtzee doesnt get a game just for its multiplayer, and i know that this game's singleplayer isn't outstanding, i really hated the mortar sequence, but the rest of it ranged from ok to excellent, some moments of annoyance backed up with moments of brilliance, small details like the squad's conversations give you something to remain interested in during down periods, and this is only DICE's second game with a real single player. anyway, as i said we all know Yahtzee doesnt get a game just for its multiplayer but if you spend long enough on it, and you play with a good team and a good squad then this game is simpley the best multiplayer game ever, not that i wouldnt change anything, but it is really special. woww that was really long.

Didn't really tell me much about the game. Is it me or is he becoming increasingly harder to understand? Its like he talks faster after each review, if you could call it a review and not some series of puns that was meant to entertain people.

Abedeus:

VGFreak1225:
Slight side note, why is it that everyone thinks that you shouldn't take Yahtzee seriously? There is a slight difference between a reviewer, and what Yahtzee is trying to be, a critic. The objective of a reviewer is to tell you whether or not it is worth buying or at the very least looking into a game. A critic is supposed to point out all of the flaws and high points in that game. That's why he never says "Buy it" or "Skip it" at the end of his reviews. His objective is to look into a game, and find the flaws, rather than look at the things worth mentioning that are good. Take him seriously, just don't let him be the only factor when you decide on getting a game.

Because when critic chooses only one thing to mock, and ignores everything that makes the thing great, then the critic is pretty damn bad.

Also, if a 3rd person looked at his video, he wouldn't even know that the game even HAS a multiplayer mode.

He's already said that that's not why people watch him. He's said in the past that he doesn't enjoy multiplayer very often, and he even said in his Batman Arkham Asylum review, that people don't watch him to see a game get complemented. I would be willing to bet that if you asked him, he'd rather have a developer listen to him, and take his criticism into serious consideration for their next game of the same genre, than to have someone decide on whether to not to buy a game. Especially for a game where the opinions for the single-player campaign have mostly ranged from okay, to pretty good, but never truly great. (Slight disclaimer, I haven't played BC2 yet, so I'm just reading from past reviews; this is not my own opinion that I have taken from someone else) And its not like he goes through every review without pointing out the qualities. If you look at several of his past reviews, and actually thought about what he said, it's really not all that damning if you consider everything. To this day Yahtzee's one of the most trustworthy critics I've ever seen in the industry, and its for that very reason.

hes greatly exaggerating

Formica Archonis:
"Perfectly square-shaped hole". I have to ask: Is Yahtzee exaggerating, or does the game really blow SQUARE holes in things?

HUGE exaggeration

Anti Nudist Cupcake:
Didn't really tell me much about the game. Is it me or is he becoming increasingly harder to understand? Its like he talks faster after each review, if you could call it a review and not some series of puns that was meant to entertain people.

the funny thing is, last week everyone was complaining he was talking slower

Ph0t0n1c Ph34r:

CORRODED SIN:
I would consider getting BC2 if they weren't being such arrogant assholes about the game. They make fun, moch, and try to one-up MW2 at every corner. Sorry, how much have you borrowed from the Modern Warfare series and you still feel you're better then it? Shut the fuck DICE.

You are aware that DICE created a game with modern-day weapons, setting and an unlock/ranking system before Infinity Ward, right? Ever hear of Battlefield 2?

Yes, but the things they have added to the the Bad Comapany games still borrow a lot from Modern Warfare. Those are two very general points too, especailly the second. It describes any online shooter from the past 6 years: Halo, Ghost Recon, CoD, Rainbow Six, etc. Or any game that has an unlock/ranking system- Battlefield 2 didn't invent them. I'm sure that game borrowed from previous shooters. I'm thinking of little details in the game and things they do.

Heh, never cared about this game, but this review makes me dislike it..
I'm Russian myself after all.

And set pieces that kill you really suck and kill the joy, that's for sure.

hcig:
russia is used because russia is a good enemy, they are on equal grounds of power, they are kind of mysterious, and they have no mercy
why the hell would you not use russia? who do you want to fight, france? belgium? canada? a small african country? i bet you hate tv shows with a re-occurring bad guy too.

Maybe because Russia is actually not aggressive at all? US is much better suited for the role of Evil Empire.

Opacic:

And Rush is quite fun, isn't it? :P At least when people are actually working together and defusing the charges. We unfortunately have a little crossover from MW2 players, thinking that KD ratios actually matter in this game.

Yeah Rush is a blast, but I have noticed the K/D ratio tards that play nothing but recon and only sit there and snipe. Yeah, you got 10 kills and 1 death, and I only got 7 kills with 5 deaths. Except that I'm on the top of the leaderboard cause I'm credit to team, gg. =|

That aspect that points are the real leading part I rather like, similar to TF2. Helps encourage teamplay, as most team actions are worth the same as a kill.

Nomanslander:

What are you talking about?

If anything BS2 had way better gameplay than those two combined...it just sucked on some other levels...=/

That's exactly what I'm talking about. The combat was improved, and some plasmids were fixed, everything else sucked. Story was inferior, with plotholes almost as stupid MW2 had; level design wasn't nearly as good, and the endings were just as awful as the first.

Moar liek: Sniperfield 2: Carl gustav 8 rockets handgranade 2

This game is a terrible singleplayer and a hillariously unbalanced multiplayer (think dying every 2 secs from a sniper, a carl gustav or a handgranade)

Good thing he didn't like it, or people would have much more argumentational ammo against me when i say it's poor

Infernal_Me:
Single player was cool but the MP was god awful.
Anyone else see the irony of the AD for BFBF2 overlaying the video while watching him rip into it?

Did you play the Console version of BFBC2 MP or something?

HK_01:
No mention of multiplayer? Isn't that like, I don't know, the focus of the game?

I know, but I suppose it goes along with his "a game must be able to stand on single player alone" policy, and this game falls flat on its face without multiplayer. I have to agree, the campane in the first game was a lot better. But they had to ruin it to become a "me too" Call of Duty imitator. It's just a shadow of its former self now.

What happened to the Legionnaire? Miss July? Or how about the fact that at the end of the first game

Has Call of Duty's influence penetrated so deeply that all games must try and emulate it? Why does eveyone seem think these "Modern Shooters" are new or resreshing and shun WWII one's, even though the former has been around longer. CoD:MW has ruined B:BC, destoryed MoH, when will the madness end?

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