It's Time To Forgive George Lucas

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Fappy:
Honestly I never really resented him for what he's done wrong. As you said, he's done so much good its hard to condemn him.

and this is how MJ got away with having sex with children.

Mad Stalin:

Fappy:
Honestly I never really resented him for what he's done wrong. As you said, he's done so much good its hard to condemn him.

and this is how MJ got away with having sex with children.

He is royalty after all.

no way in hell. do i hate george lucas more than i hate other talentless, capitalist directors? i don't know. maybe - but then again, i fucking hate wasted potential, and THX 1138 & a new hope were total gold. it was so disappointing to learn that they were also a total fluke.

time to get over it dorks, film evolves. there were plenty of gems back then and the star wars franchise was a legendary piece of filmmaking. but there have been so many, many GREAT films: Lord of the Rings, The Dark Knight, District 9, The Hangover, Toy Story, Spider-man, X-Men, Kick-Ass. All are making an impact on film history without Lucas, film has evolved without him.

Mad Stalin:
Dont have a problem with the Star Wars prequels, but Indiana Jones IV... Way to rape a franchise mr. Lucas... Aliens? really?

To be fair, this reaction is very typical because most people missed the fact that Crystal Skull is supposed to be based on the 50's sci fi B movies, in the same way that the originals were based on 30's adventure movies. Quite frankly I thought this change was the most interesting thing about the movie.

That said, I won't be claiming it to be a good movie. But I will note that, nostalgia goggles aside, it wasn't worse (or at least significantly so) than Temple of Doom.

While I do agree that picking on Lucas has gone on for quite long enough, he is (and has always been, IMO) a representative of a much greater problem with the way we treat media. Without the enfranchisement that came with the Star Wars and Indiana Jones, we wouldn't have anywhere near the sheer amount of shitty work that we (nerds / fanboys / whatever) seem to incessantly crave. Not exactly Lucas's fault, but he didn't exactly become a silent partner in his "empire," either.

In essence, Lucas is very much a gateway drug for nerds. It can, sometimes, lead to Michael Bay shoving his balls in your face just to score a quick peek at Soundwave. Not always, but often enough for the internet equivalent of MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) to get really damn loud about it.

I never got pissed because i save the prequels first,but PM still suck cus its boring.But the others are good.

Scde2:
Hasn't anyone even seen the Star Wars Holiday Special?

"Vomits gargantuan amounts of blood and excrement"

...no, but just the title makes it sound horrible.

slowpoke999:
The amount of stupidity from his comment hurt my brain, if he was angry with God, he failed at being an Athiest

What part of "his [...] transition from staunch atheist to Christian philosopher" did you miss?

Macgyvercas:
Why do I have to forgive him? There's nothing to forgive. I actually liked the Star Wars Prequels and Indian Jones IV. *runs away before the flaming starts*

There you have my sentiments.

I don't see why everyone hated the prequels so much.
Phantom Menace had some sickass lightsaber fights, although Jar Jar is annoying beyond reason.

The Clone Wars had one of the THE coolest large scale combat sequences in Star Wars history, but the love story was a bitch.

Return of the Sith had an amazing lightsaber fight with the best score out of the entire series, although Anakin was a little bitch in Episode III.

See whiny prequel haters? There's stuff to love, and stuff to hate in the prequels, but not enough to despise them, or hate an incredibly important man.

Why are midichlorians always picked on as a bad thing? I never got that.

I liked them, it was a bit like mitochondrial DNA in concept...

qbanknight:
time to get over it dorks, film evolves. there were plenty of gems back then and the star wars franchise was a legendary piece of filmmaking. but there have been so many, many GREAT films: Lord of the Rings, The Dark Knight, District 9, The Hangover, Toy Story, Spider-man, X-Men, Kick-Ass. All are making an impact on film history without Lucas, film has evolved without him.

none of these movies qualify as great, even without the all-caps, nor are they making an impact on history. while i would agree that film has evolved without george lucas, i would argue that the majority of it did so poorly, and much of this lackluster transformation was influenced by people LIKE george lucas, who don't take the time to look twice at practical effects, and think that a CGI rendered cartoon can put on a better performance than a human being.

carnkhan4:
Why are midichlorians always picked on as a bad thing? I never got that.

I liked them, it was a bit like mitochondrial DNA in concept...

I always dug that too. Less magic, more 'science'. Awesome.

I don't hate George Lucas, I hate those movies.
I feel that he should've known they were going to bomb, hell he probably did but kept going anyway.
I think he said as much in the commentary for the prequel movies.

But like I said, I owe him no forgiveness for I have never taken issue with himself.
Just 3 of his movies... I never watched any of the other crappy ones.

slowpoke999:

KillerMidget:

slowpoke999:

C.S. Lewis, in describing his gradual personal transition from staunch atheist to Christian philosopher (and author of the Narnia books) described his period of unbelief as a state of being "angry with God for not existing."

Ow Ow Ow, I don't know who that guy is but that comment made my brain owie, I'll have to read Page 2 some other time

I think the theory there is that you can't be angry with God and not believe in Him at the same time. Or is it just the strangeness of the sentence that vortexed your brain?

OT: Sure I'll forgive the little scamp! But only if I get to tug on his magic beard for luck.

The amount of stupidity from his comment hurt my brain, if he was angry with God, he failed at being an Athiest

The phrase was obviously intended with a sense of poetic cadence.

Here, let me rephrase it:

"He was angry that god didn't exist."

seidlet:

carnkhan4:
Why are midichlorians always picked on as a bad thing? I never got that.

I liked them, it was a bit like mitochondrial DNA in concept...

I always dug that too. Less magic, more 'science'. Awesome.

This seems to be a common misconception. Midichlorians don't cause the force. They're force sensitive creatures (Which have been demonstrated many times to exist) that can be used as a litmus test for a persons own force sensitivity.

Excellent article bob.

some stuff is good some stuff is not so good.

clone wars mini series and the original trilogy = good.

clone wars series and the prequel trilogy = not so good.

in my opinion of course.

but that doesn't mean i hate george lucas, i mean come on even in the preqels there were monents that you probably thought where good. i mean i can't be the only one who thought darth maul and his double edge light saber was awsome!

Alright, screw it: I really like Episode 1.

Why? Because it is the very first film I remember seeing at the cinema (I was 5) and it was a-fucking-mazing to me.

That's exactly the same reason why most people like A New Hope; let's face it, none of the films are the best in the world (I say this despite them being my favourite film saga) but we all like the for (mostly) sentimental reasons, and because they're fun, and deal with morality. And because everyone wants a lightsabre.

People need to get over themselves - no one's ruining the memory of films you like by making some films you don't like.

Ya, I'm not really one of those people that hates George Lucas. I mean, Crystal Skull was bad, but I thought the rest of his movies were good. And why does everyone keep saying Greedo should have shot first or whatever? Who cares?

Despite Hayden Christensen's shitty acting, I actually enjoyed the prequels a lot. The characters were interesting, the battles were a whole lot of fun, the podracing scene was fucking epic and of course...Liam fucking Neeson.

Both the prequels and the original trilogy had a lot of faults and a lot of good, and I wouldn't be stretching things to say that I enjoy both equally.

Scde2:

I hate him because of the Star Wars Holiday Special.

He had no direct involvement in Star Wars Holiday Special an he him self as declared it none canon and want's to wipe it off of the face of the earth.

As for the Starwars prequels... me'h the first one was shite. This mainly goes down to the annoying little shit playing Anikan, the last 20 minutes or so are okay with a now iconic battle scene with Darth Mual but other wise the rest was shit. Attack of the clones was okay, not the best of the series... sort of drags here and there. The films weakness is pacing, just when your getting into one story you get swept to Anikan trying to get laid. The third was pretty good, kept me entertained from beginning to end and I liked how it started with the space battle.

Scde2:
Hasn't anyone even seen the Star Wars Holiday Special?

NO...........yes.....
OT: but I'm not a big starwars fan anyway so I don't really care.

Macgyvercas:
Why do I have to forgive him? There's nothing to forgive. I actually liked the Star Wars Prequels and Indian Jones IV. *runs away before the flaming starts*

* passes the cup of life to you*
amen fellow poster!

MovieBob:
The Special Editions are a debacle, and cinema history will judge Lucas harshly for their existence, but if Greedo shooting first "ruined your life" then your life was in a pretty sorry place to begin with.

And that is why I have been rolling my eyes at those who can't forgive him.

And Besides, why shouldn't he be allowed to remix his movies, everybody else does. Sure I like War of the Stars (the grindhouse fanedit version of Star Wars; check it out) better than the Special Edition but that's just me.

I can't imagine who expected the prequels to be any good to begin with... well, any better than they were.

Sovvolf:

Scde2:

I hate him because of the Star Wars Holiday Special.

He had no direct involvement in Star Wars Holiday Special an he him self as declared it none canon and want's to wipe it off of the face of the earth.

He helped write the story, it still exist today (youtube) and declaring it noncanon doesn't erase the bad dreams from watching it.

I don't consider George Lucas important enough to hate. It's not like Ingmar Bergman letting everyone down by making a Death Wish film.

The best thing George Lucas ever did? Giving money to Akira Kurosawa to make "Kagemusha".

I forgave him with the release of Revenge of the Sith.

What prequels? There haven't been any Star Wars films since 1983. Seriously, I am not personally offended by the lame spectacles and endless meddling. Greedo shooting first didn't ruin my life. It did seem to be a serious attempt to ruin a great movie, but it didn't hurt my feelings.
I don't hate Lucas. I just don't respect the man any more.
EDIT: The ghost of Sebastian Shaw, however, has every right to loathe him.

Relevant link: The Complex and Terrifying Reality of Star Wars Fandom. Don't forget to read the follow-up too.

I loved the prequels the first time around, but they've since soured. They were swell rides, but they lack replay value for me.

On related notes, I have never seen Crystal Skull and have no intention of doing so, and I love the new Star Trek film.

I somewhat view Lucas' career as a slow downward turn in quality, I loved his early films like THX1138 (actually I still think that's his best movie. *Awaits Star Wars fanboy rage*). The new Star Wars films were pretty disappointing, and I will admit that I do groan a lot when people I know say that Anakin was an awesome character (of course, most of them are women focusing on how attractive he was) but who cares? Who honestly cares? I loved Transformers as a kid, but the new Michael Bay movies have been terrible. What do I do? Just say "that's not real Transformers, that's just what Bay thinks Transformers is." I know it's harder to do when it's the same director and writer of the previous films, which is probably where most of this rage comes from but seriously. Grow the fuck up. I was disappointed at the ending of Battlestar Galactica, but I'm not going to freak out about it. Why? It's ENTERTAINMENT, not something important.

i kind of gave up after a while of thinking... star wars has lost all appeal to me. =/

I liked all the star wars movies and I didnt think that the last Indiana Jones was all that bad(although I havent seen any others). I dont understand why everyone hates him so much theres much worse stuff out there.

now, prepared for a few "WHAAAAT?", but i quite enjoyed phantom menace and clone wars. why? because i were 9 years old when i saw it! try looking at em as children's movies, and its actually pretty good!

a clumsy comical relief, a protagonist whose about your age, "cool" looking badguy.... add some lasers, explosions and funny "kills", and its a win.

its far from a good movie, but youve seen worse, and you know it.

what exactly where we blaming him for?

I will never forgive George Lucas for Star Wars Episodes: I and II. They were horrible. The only thing that was nice was to see Samuel Jackson in them. Nor will I forgive him for ruining E.T.

i forgave him. its only episode 1 i hate the other i like

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