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Stuff Bob Likes

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Bound is such a good movie. I continue to rate it above...hell, every other Watchowski brother movie.
That is all.

I love the fighting with honor thing. Like in Saints Row 2 in the

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Oh yeah, movies.
Can't think of any honourable fighting bits there. Sorry.

The 50's? Monkeys? You must have loved Indiana Jones 4 then!

Sweet column and I laughed at the lesbians thing. Keep on doing this shizzle.

I am going to have to disagree about that scene in Doom. In any other movie, that may have worked, but in a movie based on a first person SHOOTER , ending with a fist fight was incredibly stupid. Not that there was anything that wasn't stupid with that movie.

Besides that, great article. If only there was a movie with monkeys, monsters, and lesbians (but not monster or monkey lesbians, that's just gross).

I'm going to guess that Bob loves this movie.

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Good list, but it's not a formula for a good movie. Some elements contradict:

Heroes who are jerks don't fight with honor.

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You liked the hills have eyes remake? That movie was a pile of shit.

Yea I pretty much got to agree with all but the 80s. This is because of the fact that I haven't scene it as good, unless its making fun of itself. The 90s, and whatever you have probably fall into the same category. Most decades don't have a visual landscape(in my opinion) unless it is in jest. Back to the Future II gives the best example of this with the restrant. It comes from the fact, most things don't change that often.

Great read. Top work good sir.

Ho movie Bob not liking Ultimate Fighting... I'll have to take you to the octogon some time and show you why it's good -flex-. Okay though in all seriousness I have to agree I prefer my movie fights to be over the top and not exactly realistic... Ong Bak is probably in my top ten for best fights... even if the scenes are preformed with no wires or special effect, this movie shows an unrealistic depiction of Muay Thai (no matter what any "I'm a black belt in Muay Thai"(yes I actually read that comment on Youtube) fan will tell you). Enter the Dragon being close to the top :D. Monsters is also another big thing for me... though some monsters are a little hit and miss... adding the right monster can do wonders for a film (Imagine the original Predator movie without the predator).

I've found that I also enjoy heroes who are jerks.

House
Spock
Larry David
Dexter
Jack Bauer
Cartman
everyone on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
and many others

Hmm... Nice list... I guess...

Personally I will take character developement, story, or great artistic direction over action, monsters, over the top gadgets, etc., but I can respect your tastes.

However, don't give Michel Bay any ideas. Given he can't even do a "robots smashing against each other" film right, and how ungodly irrating his 13 comic relief characters were in Revenge of the Fallen, how badly do you think he could mess up a freaking monkey?

I think i've got to stop lissening to everything you say now. most of that discribes the worst films in the world for me.
I mean dog in a main role in a film automaticaly sings bad film to me and monsters, bad horror film.

Only thing i can agree with is the scripted fight scenes.

Rubbav1:
The 50's? Monkeys? You must have loved Indiana Jones 4 then!

Temple of Doom especilly...

lol, well, at least we know you got a soft spot for somethings ^^

in other words, a monster is an earthquake that the hero can punch in the face.

Epic quote is epic

OT:Good article

I know I'm going to get in trouble for this but I dispute that realistic fighting technique makes for bad fight scenes, in fact I'd go so far as to say the tread away from having authentic techniques in films had degraded them highly. First off I am going to note that not all realistic fighting works as a visual medium. Grappling is really hard to make work. I'm actually quite surprised that UFC/MMA is more popular than boxing, especially with a great many people that aren't martial artists, but there you go. Many of the best martial arts movies come from people trained in and employing real martial arts. Bruce Lee is one of the most defining figures in modern martial arts and his films where visionary for their time, heavily influencing the action genre as a whole. Compare the work of people like Jet Li or Jackie Chan who have trained in Martial Arts and utilise real techniques to action stars with little actual martial arts training, like Matt Damon in the Bourn movies. O.K that's a bit a straw man argument because we've established that we hate shaky cam, but I want bash shaky cam some more and I think this makes my point. Shaky cam seems to have risen in popularity after the trend of having actors train intensively in Kung Fu so that they look half decent at it went into decline (ignoring the wirework most of what is done in Kung Fu movies is real Kung Fu). My theory is that much of this was because not all actors were in sufficient physical condition to do the training and so measures needed to be taken to conceal their lack of skill. Kurosawa needed to do similar things in some of his movies since not all actors were trained in Japanese Swordsmanship (most were, and it made the movies awesome). The few times shaky cam has worked it's because you're not meant to see what's going on. In Batman begins you hardly see batman fight, but that's kind of the point since the scenes are meant to communicate that Batman is stealth incarnate. Likewise in the Bourne Identity the bits where the shaky cam worked were bits where we are introduced to Bourse's fighting ability by being shown that he moves too fast to be seen. In both cases the flighty bits of the scene are over very quickly, to the extent where I wouldn't call then an action sequence. When shaky cam is used in actual action sequences it's annoying and confusing, and if you ever see a making of, much of the time the actor look uncoordinated. I really think that film would benefit from greater authenticity in martial arts, one of my favourite fight scenes of all time is the opening fight from Fearless because it showcases the martial arts ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRMKMGhwWxo ). Beyond the obvious Jet Li, Anthony De Longis (the sabre fencer) is a very capable fencer in real life ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7VBxc8WsXc ) and his fencing work in the scene is both compelling and accurate, as is the German Pike work (German systems tend to be quite aggressive). The bare knuckle boxing is not so accurate, but I have a soft spot for fencing so can overlook it. The Kung Fu episode of Human Weapon does go some way to detailing the links between real and film Kung Fu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MWIrSS_sYQ

zjspeed:
I've found that I also enjoy heroes who are jerks.

House
Spock
Larry David
Dexter
Jack Bauer
Cartman
everyone on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
and many others

Cartman? A hero? Just because he's a main character doesn't mean he's a hero. He's not even an anti-hero. He's an evil, mean, selfish prick. We love him for it, but he's still more of a villian.

Edit: Sorry for the double post. Internet's a little screwy here.

So if I made a movie about giant, lesbian monster dogs and -monkeys fighting with honour and choreography, in a 1980 setting, with a Heavy Metal soundtrack, MovieBob would love me?

Sounds like a foolproof plan. I would definetly have seen that movie.

Yeah, this pretty much sums up why I don't agree with Moviebob, but still find him rather enteraining nonetheless. I don't share the same tastes as him, but he still manages to make his (very different) viewpoint interesting.

For instance: Lesbians in film. If you actually know any lesbians IRL, it just seems kinda weird to fetishize them. In reality, it's just two normal chicks in a relationship, and their public displays of affection cann be just as nauseating as those of a straight couple. In the movies, it's always two HAWT actresses acting in a manner that is clearly supposed to appeal to adolescent males. But hey, I won't begrudge their understanding of the target audience. If it appeals to your viewers, of course you're gonna use it to your advantage.

I agree with him on the fight choreography to a degree, though. But stylized violence still doesn't appeal quite as much as the brutally realistic variety.

zjspeed:
Good list, but it's not a formula for a good movie. Some elements contradict:

Heroes who are jerks don't fight with honor.

Epic picture win.

Hey, another guy who 100% cannot find men attractive. My inability to get girls has given me time to consider homosexuality more than a little bit, but it's just impossible because men are so freaking gross. I can't even look at regular porn because it often involves at least one guy. Give me one fully clothed woman doing nothing, over that same chick banging fifty guys. Yuck.

Two things:

1. You thought the Hills Have Eyes remake was awesome. I love you. On a similar note, what do you think of Devil's Rejects? Because I love that movie.

2. I think you hit the nail on the head about lesbians and melodrama. We may try to deny it and there may be the occasional exception, but on the whole, I don't think men are really sentimental, romantic, or outwardly emotional. In fact the only romantic film I ever enjoyed, and largely because it was convincing enough for me to buy into, was Aimee & Jaguar. Excellent, excellent, film. Have you seen it?

I agree with most of your points.

The only thing I seriously disagreed with though was the part about chimps. I haven't ever been fond of chimps, to me they have been hairy, short men with malformed feet and a tendency to throw shit at people. Gorillas (especially the giant CG type) are awesome though.

The thing I agreed with most was the thing about dogs. Although I have trouble when any kind of animal (other than a chimp) gets killed in a movie. I can see a human killed in horrible ways (fictional of course) and not get effected, but if a dog gets injured, I get a lump in my throat.

If I wrote for this website I would never read comments because it's full of people that don't get the point.

1) He's not saying these are recipes for his favorite movie, just things that are considered an added bonus. I doubt he has that straight-to-DVD flick about puppies in space just because it has dogs. It's just better than if it starred cats.

But imagine if it starred platypus.

2) Congratulations, you disagree with him on a point. Now everything he says must be wrong! Sheesh, if you expect everyone to agree with your perspective how can you have friends? How can you even talk to other people?

On the topic, I understand the inability to understand why women are physically attracted to men. But I've never quite understood the whole thing with chicks doing each other either. Then again, I'm not a pornography guy to begin with, but at least you can place yourself mentally as one of the guys thinking if that were you. In lesbian porn and stuff, it's just "Oh, hey, don't mind me, I'll just sit here and watch...which is creepy.....and lonely...".

I'll just chalk it up to "one of those things people make too big of a deal out of", like Catholic school girls and cheerleaders (and yes, I understand the implications of both, but it's still sort of meh for me).

On fight choreography, I like it at times. However, it's become so over-used that action scenes are starting to pull me out of movies. And this is a guy who loves watching The One despite all of its problems (worst use of Papa Roach ever, aside from the actual use of Papa Roach). Hell, just watching Matrix: Reloaded on TV again helped it sink in. When your chase scene has commercials in the middle and leaves me checking my watch, it's lost all sense of meaning. I don't care how many ways you endanger the MacGuffin or whatever is at stake, it's way too indulgent and loses its value.

So after seeing so much choreography, the second I see Kung-Fu fists flying around my eyes glaze over and I wait until the plot picks up again. Same goes with overly choreographed sword fights and lightsabers.

As for huge ass monsters...I was really hoping Cloverfield would somehow kick start a new generation of Godzilla style flicks. I was naive...

I'd add cats to this pretty comprehensive list.

Also, Bob? Have you seen Rise: Blood Hunter? Not a great movie, but it's fun, and there's a lesbian scene with Carla Gugino.

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Yes.

THAT Carla Gugino.

Well, then, you and I have some different tastes, though I will agree on dinosaurs (as long as they're not Disney'd up).

However, to divert for our differences and similarities ('cause I don't wanna figure what I like, especially as a not-so-movie guy with shifting interests, like maybe 30s fashion ('cause 50s is "laem" except in Fallout-ish ways)), let us observe something from DOOM that is, yes, awesome.

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Did not expect the lesbians or heavy metal bit, but...monkeys? Really?

As far as most of the rules in your list go, Monsters, Giant Monsters, Lesbians (In some certain contexts), Heavy Metal, Fight Choreography, Heroes Who are Jerks and Fighting with Honor are probably some of my favorites.

Although, one set of rules that I enjoy is the idea of Modern Day David Vs. Goliath fight scenes. If you follow me on this one, Raising Arizona and The Mask have two great fights scenes.

Raising Arizona has Nicolas Cage's H.I. fighting against Randall "Tex" Cobb's Leonard Smalls in an epic fight scene that has Knives, Motorcycles, Grenades, babies (A rare exception) and a badass fight scene in which Nic Cage's character

really isn't the same character he continuously plays today.

The movie is really good, but that fight scene is just awesome to me because of the badass villain against an average size hero.

The Mask also has a very awesome fight scene involving Stanley Ipkiss (Jim Carrey playing the normal persona of the aforementioned hero) against Dorian Tyrell (Peter Greene, he played Zed in Pulp Fiction and got shot in the pilot of Justified) Ipkiss is just a bank teller fellow, while Dorian is a gangster. How do the two match up? Well, pretty well, suprisingly. Every time I watch the movie (I revisit it quite often) I actually get caught up in it all over again.

So if anyone asked my opinion, Modern Day David V. Goliath fight scenes are kind of cool. Big, almost hulking villain against someone that's about my size makes for a nearly awesome movie.

Compiling your list into one theoretical film made me think that you must LOVE those cheesy SciFi movies that have like a giant dog terrorizing some smug prick and his two bisexual girlfriends, complete with mediocre fisticuffs fight.

It sounds as if a movie based upon Norse Mythology would hit on most of these points, with it's giant monsters including a giant dog (well, Fenris is a wolf and they are part of the dog family),fighting with honor and inspiring many a heavy metal rock band.

Unfortunately for you, there is too much focus on the derring-do and beauteous muscular physiques of manly men and not much love shown for women by anyone of any kind,let alone other women.

Maybe someone can find a way for mythological events to take place in the 1950s/80s, possibly with a pet giant ape belonging to the Jotuns?

Is it possible to go too far with combining the good things on this list, say, giant dog-woman lesbians in a mash-up of the 1950s and 1980s fighting with honor to a heavy metal soundtrack?

So... Back to the future with giant monsters & sherlock holmes?

I seem to recall you mentioning a fondness for Brotherhood of the Wolf and I think this covers pretty much the whole film.

This is actually fairly valuable stuff to know to see how well your views will match up with ours. Any chance of a similar list of small things that will always turn you off from a movie as well?

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