Let's Not Ban RapeLay

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danpascooch:

Organs clipping through each other?

Are you saying that they actually rendered the organs inside of the bodies in that game? What the hell is the point of that? Is there ever a time when you get to see a woman's exposed liver in the game or something?

EDIT: Oh, you mean the, in the, nvm, lol

Ah, your edit shows you understand.

Yeah, it's pretty funny.

NO PUNY FLESH CAN HOLD HIS PENIS

Furburt:

danpascooch:

Organs clipping through each other?

Are you saying that they actually rendered the organs inside of the bodies in that game? What the hell is the point of that? Is there ever a time when you get to see a woman's exposed liver in the game or something?

EDIT: Oh, you mean the, in the, nvm, lol

Ah, your edit shows you understand.

Yeah, it's pretty funny.

NO PUNY FLESH CAN HOLD HIS PENIS

Actually, Illusion are better at this now, and no such escape is possible for the poor demon-king in their latest title (wherein you, the player, must preserve your essential bodily fluids by any means necessary).

BlueHighwind:

"RapeLay" is rape for rape's own sake. There is no justification other than "I'm a man, I want to have sex, and I don't care what the woman has to say. She's going to be slave just because I have a penis."

Actually, as far as I have understood, the main character in Rapelay is raping a girl and her mother and sister as punishment for the girl testifying against him.

SultanP:

BlueHighwind:

"RapeLay" is rape for rape's own sake. There is no justification other than "I'm a man, I want to have sex, and I don't care what the woman has to say. She's going to be slave just because I have a penis."

Actually, as far as I have understood, the main character in Rapelay is raping a girl and her mother and sister as punishment for the girl testifying against him.

And that's better?

OT: I'm undecided on this issue. On the one hand, I oppose anything to do with rape. But on the other hand, anyone who would be inspired by the game to acutally commit rape shouldn't have access to it anyway. I don' think I would mind if the distribution of it was strictly controlled. The fact that it is downloadable and anyone can get a copy, including children, is my main issue with it.

An excellent dissection of the debate. The next time I get into a discussion over this, I'm going to use the following argument:

Children read books, but erotic romance novels (and much worse things) are available in bookstores and libraries. Therefore, children read books, but not all books are read by children. Likewise for videogames.

Crayzor:

SultanP:

BlueHighwind:

"RapeLay" is rape for rape's own sake. There is no justification other than "I'm a man, I want to have sex, and I don't care what the woman has to say. She's going to be slave just because I have a penis."

Actually, as far as I have understood, the main character in Rapelay is raping a girl and her mother and sister as punishment for the girl testifying against him.

And that's better?

OT: I'm undecided on this issue. On the one hand, I oppose anything to do with rape. But on the other hand, anyone who would be inspired by the game to acutally commit rape shouldn't have access to it anyway. I don' think I would mind if the distribution of it was strictly controlled. The fact that it is downloadable and anyone can get a copy, including children, is my main issue with it.

Both of these posts are my problem with the game. It's rape for rapes sake from what I gather. If it was a sex game.. I wouldn't play it, but I wouldn't have any problems with it. In RapeLays case however, well, I haven't played it obviously due to the fact a) it's unavailable here and b) like hell I'd pay for it anyway, but judging by even just the box art.. that is you staring into the eyes of 2 young girls, one of which is of dubious age, who have tears in their eyes and are cowering in fear, just so you can get your rocks off (although I do believe the actual game is 3rd person view?). That's just too far. Anyway, going back to the point about "anyone who would be inspired by the game to acutally commit rape shouldn't have access to it anyway", as I've said before that I believe this is the only audience the game will possibly attract - not rapists per se, but people who would act on their urges to some extent.
In comparison with violent games, very few people would ultimately have the desire to act upon their actions, not to mention the impossibility of imitating the games for a lone nut - you try getting Niko Bellic's firepower overnight by yourself without getting on at least a gazillion international watch lists. This type of game however, how easy would it be to follow a defenseless young(-ish) girl down a road and grab here? Again, not even for the full act of rape, but just grabbing.. it's still horrendously wrong, and extremely easy for anybody to do, as is shown in Japan itself. I don't believe it just happens to be coincidence that, as Andy excellently points out in the article that Japan is both the biggest, if not only, market for this type of game, but also probably the only place in the world where they have been forced to introduce women-only cars on crowded passenger trains. In theory the game is fine (well, not fine, but you know what I mean, all this "games force people to do X and Y and whatnot), but the problem again is that the only people that should, if human nature has any decency left in it, be drawn towards this type of game are people that either have or plan to act upon their sick fantasy.

I do agree that banning the game would possibly open the floodgates, just look at the Aussie Net Filter or the sheer arseholes that are the IWF, but at the same time I would hate for anybody to get their hands on it. It is just sick and wrong on so many levels, and [b]no[b], I do not believe it comes close to anything of the likes of GTA or CoD, as I said above, so please stop comparing it to them, that's Fox's job. Like my views on the internet as a whole, let digital content be completely uninterefered with, but the minute someone attempts to download it - whether it be child porn, rapelay, or detailed plans of the Pentagon, local law enforcement should be poised and ready to start asking questions as to their motivations about it.

As for the culture of groping, molesting, and other such activities that are from what I gather quite rampant in Japan... lost for words, really.

I'm thinking that people are forgetting there's a difference between rape fantasy and actual rape.

Many people have a rape fetish, even outside of games.

It's no different than wanting to be tied up or being a furry or anything like that.
Furries don't have sex with animals.
People who fantasize about rape don't rape people.

Besides, Japan has one of the lowest rape rates in the world. I could make a decent argument that rape games prevent rape.

Ban game -> can't buy in stores -> piracy!

I've never tried RapeLay, mostly because I've yet to see a conclusive reason to touch a game made in Japan, but I don't think anything's wrong with it.

Fucking Prototype pretty much encourages you to slaughter thousands of civilians in hilariously brutal ways; RapeLay cannot compare to that, ever, period.

Rape two women, or have fun massacring the population of Manhattan person by person? Half the abilities in Prototype exist solely for more entertaining slaughter, such as the ability to leap into the air, slam down on someone, and SURF THEIR BODY ALONG TWENTY FEET OF CONCRETE.

BlueHighwind:

Father Time:

BlueHighwind:
You know, I'm all for freedom of expression, and the ability for people to choose for themselves what they want to be exposed to. But what is the point of a game that simulates rape? I think we can all agree that some thoughts should be expressed, and some should not. Repression is bad if its a natural impulse that causes no harm to anyone, but how about the impulse to rape a girl, her entire family, and then lock them up in your basement as sex slaves? The people who made this game are either purely cynical and exploiting a disturbed demographic, or as sick and disturbed as the clientel their giving it to.

Not every idea and thought has value. Not every fantasy needs to be expressed, and some ideas should be removed. There is no reason to play this game, and the only possible benefits are to pollute somebody's mind into thinking that rape is somehow expectable. We are affected by the media we watch, there's no denying that. A rape video game can only make its players worse people in the long run.

Hey nice bullshit argument let me try something

"Repression is bad if its a natural impulse that causes no harm to anyone, but how about the impulse to mow down innocent civilians with a machine gun or grenades.

Not every idea and thought has value. Not every fantasy needs to be expressed, and some ideas should be removed. There is no reason to play this game, and the only possible benefits are to pollute somebody's mind into thinking that murder is somehow expectable. We are affected by the media we watch, there's no denying that. A murder video game can only make its players worse people in the long run."

Now if I didn't know any better I could've sworn this was an argument that came from Jack Thompson or Hillary Clinton or any of the other trash talking slime that want to ban games like Grand Theft Auto.

And what makes you think that murder is an acceptable thing to simulate in video games either? You all seem to take it for granted that this is all perfectly fine. It probably doesn't have any adverse effects, but does it have any good ones other than immediate gratification of baser impulses?

One can argue that "Grant Theft Auto"'s true purpose is actually to be lawless fantasy. The whole point of the game is to take what you want, do what you want, and be free of every legal authority our society imposes. Typically every person you meet in those games is just as correct and uncaring for the law as you are, if not more so. Nobody is ever portrayed as innocent in the world of GTA, its just scumbags killing scumbags. Notice by the way, that in not a single GTA will you ever find a single child on the streets. Imagine if they did? It isn't just murder for murder's own sake.

"RapeLay" is rape for rape's own sake. There is no justification other than "I'm a man, I want to have sex, and I don't care what the woman has to say. She's going to be slave just because I have a penis." In what universe are thoughts like these ever acceptable? This might come from a different culture, but even in Japan thoughts like this cannot be considered proper. I hate to imagine in what society rape is considered "perfectly fine".

By the way, just because you do not agree with Hilary Clinton or any other politician's views on violent video games, it doesn't make them "trash-talking slime". Most likely they truly believe that removing games like GTA will serve society and make it a better place. Is there something wrong with that motivation? Maybe you think that Clinton isn't being sincere in her activism, I don't know.

PS: Can you please not call my argument "bullshit"? I do not appreciate being insulted on this forum when all I wanted was to have a frank discussion over this issue.

In these situations, I invoke Voltaire. "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it to the death." If that's just a fairweather rule, then it's just an illusion altogether. If you tack a 'unless I really don't like it' on the end, then freedom of speech is essentially dead. RapeLay is a creepy, deplorable creation. I probably wouldn't enjoy the company of the sort of people who unironically purchase it. But if you silence it, then that justifies the silencing of anything that has made anyone upset for any reason.

And frankly, if you're moved to commit any sort of sex crime by RapeLay, or a murder spree by Grand Theft Auto, then you have underlying issues that run far deeper than what videogame you played last.

If they ban Rapelay, then why not Pokemon too? Think about it, Pokemon is practically the same as a cock fight or dog fight. Your capturing animals to use to defeat other animals, make money, oh ya and with that money you get more tools to capture more of them. So if they've made actual stuff like that illegal, why haven't they banned Pokemon, just like they would with Rapelay. (Note: I do not hate Pokemon in anyway, in fact I'm playing HeartGold while Im typing this.)

I have no problem with the game personally. This is conditional on a few levels.

1. No one's being hurt. If anyone was actually being psychologically or physically harmed, I would be looking for an RV I could rent for my cross-country awareness-raising tour to get that shit put in a small metal box and buried. Then set on fire.

2. Games like this act as a release, they don't actually encourage the behavior. Since most studies prove that acting out urges in games actually makes you less likely to do the same thing in real life. Again, if someone could make a legitimate study proving that games like this could cause a mentally stable person to rape someone, I'd be on RentAnRVNow.com.

Question, why did they make a game like that anyway? Just to see if the sensor board was awake? Well, whoopty-doo! Honestly, why in the hell was this concieved? Was it like Custers Revenge and made just for giggles?

Toar:
Question, why did they make a game like that anyway? Just to see if the sensor board was awake? Well, whoopty-doo! Honestly, why in the hell was this concieved? Was it like Custers Revenge and made just for giggles?

No, it's because that's a large part of Japanese culture. Are you familiar with the word "hentai"?

Simply put, you might not like that sort of thing, but they do. Are you the right one to make that judgment?

ZahrDalsk:

Toar:
Question, why did they make a game like that anyway? Just to see if the sensor board was awake? Well, whoopty-doo! Honestly, why in the hell was this concieved? Was it like Custers Revenge and made just for giggles?

No, it's because that's a large part of Japanese culture. Are you familiar with the word "hentai"?

Simply put, you might not like that sort of thing, but they do. Are you the right one to make that judgment?

I'm not trying to judge, but why THAT subject? They have giant robots, transforming school girls, a vague idea of angels, and a great deal of other generic anime themes. Why rape? I don't say ban it, but why? It's like the game Manhunt. I like Manhunt and play it alot, but it was made to poke the sensors in the ribs to see if they were paying attention.

John Funk:
Murder doesn't HAVE to be reported. Rape does.

I don't get your logic, both are crimes, and how their perpetrators are caught and punished or not is unrelated to the nature of the crime.

Also, insisting that most rapes in Japan are unreported because of the great shame they bring there is not a valid argument.
Serious studies do prove that many rapes are unreported everywhere ; don't think women are less ashamed of being raped because thei're not japanese.
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates
Personally I find this whole "shuned by the whole family" shtick doubtful.

Andy Chalk:
Banning videogames about rape sounds like a good idea. Here's why it's not.

If you are still interested by the subject after writing this article you could go there.
http://yestofreedom.org/

Toar:
I'm not trying to judge, but why THAT subject? They have giant robots, transforming school girls, a vague idea of angels, and a great deal of other generic anime themes. Why rape? I don't say ban it, but why? It's like the game Manhunt. I like Manhunt and play it alot, but it was made to poke the sensors in the ribs to see if they were paying attention.

Rape is related to the others just as much as they are to each other. You have no idea how closely hentai is tied to anime and japanese moviegames, apparently. This is going to make me sound like a massive weeaboo (even though I dislike japan, to say the least) but honestly, learn a bit about their culture before criticizing it.

To answer why: because when America dropped two nukes on Japan, they didn't just break Japanese imperialism, they pushed them all the way to where they are now. Which do you prefer?

incal11:

If you are still interested by the subject after writing this article you could go there.
http://yestofreedom.org/

I love how their second post is basically entitled "why we do exactly what we tell you not to". That entire site is immediately declared null and void for me.

incal11:

John Funk:
Murder doesn't HAVE to be reported. Rape does.

I don't get your logic, both are crimes, and how their perpetrators are caught and punished or not is unrelated to the nature of the crime.

Also, insisting that most rapes in Japan are unreported because of the great shame they bring there is not a valid argument.
Serious studies do prove that many rapes are unreported everywhere ; don't think women are less ashamed of being raped because thei're not japanese.
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates
Personally I find this whole "shuned by the whole family" shtick doubtful.

Andy Chalk:
Banning videogames about rape sounds like a good idea. Here's why it's not.

If you are still interested by the subject after writing this article you could go there.
http://yestofreedom.org/

...it's fairly easy to determine if someone is alive or dead (barring disappearance), yes? If the death as examined by medical practitioners looks fishy, and foul play is suspected, then a murder investigation can start without any report of a crime. By its nature, rape is only between the victim and attacker unless there's a witness; if the victim does not report it then there is absolutely no way it can be counted.

Rape carries with it a deep sense of cultural shame everywhere, not just Japan - I certainly agree. But Japan is a very patriarchal society, and a society very heavily based around the idea of saving face, etc.

If it weren't a problem at all, then why are there separate women-only train cars to help prevent subway molestation?

i agree the presumption should be its ok until proved otherwise but i disagree with the aticle fundamentally and would not want it here for many reasons:

1) you cannot divorce content from its subject matter and this subject is morally wrong in my view and sexist - true this is just my view but a government has to and should listen to what people are comfortable with - if they are not they are failing their duty, otherwise paedophilia would be ok because a tiny minority enjoy it - and it too has been argued to be an "art" - a disgusting one

2) it damages the reputation of gamers and games - why is obvious - do we want to be set back 10 years of hard earned respectability? Good games will suffer because of this...

3) EVERYTHING is regulated to some degree, nothing has NO regulation. So some censorship is necessary and right, and i suspect films like this would be banned in many nations - lassaiz faire is not a reality it is a balance - and most people see this as going too far

4) Imagining is different to seeing is different to participating - in both legal terms and in our minds - and this is asking you to PERFORM something all decent people see as evil - which is worse than just reading about it

5) There is no such thing as moral objectivity and nor should there be - any society has to say some things are seen as acceptable and some are not. True, there has to be legal limits on this but the alternative seems either anrchical or tyrannical. Most will not see this as acceptable. While you could say how can it be worse than killing npcs, people THINK it is different and this matters - and it moves from something that involves an activity such as killing to main staging it and making it the main basis of the game - there is no more to this game than this premise

6) Just because the usual crowd rail against it doesn't invalidate everything they say - we should not spit at the wind just because it is there.

7) While we should be tolerant of what other people do privately in millite terms (although not utilitarian terms in my opinion), can you completely seperate what people experience in private and in public? Do they not inform each others actions? If so then there has to be limits and "lines" drawn in the sand. Even in a purely hedonistic society they would be there at some point - so the principle of no restrictions is wrong. Thus the subject matter must be defended - something that cannot and should not be done in this place. Even murder has been seen as justified by many under some circumstances but rape is INTRINSICALLY NEVER AN ACT OF SELF-DEFENCE - not of persons or nations or morals or ideals - this makes it in some ways worse than murder which can at least attempt to be justified - this is merely predation.

I therefore respectfully (and most unusually!) disagree

I am completely disgusted by that type of entertainment, but I don't believe in any kind of censorship EVER.

Toar:
Question, why did they make a game like that anyway? Just to see if the sensor board was awake? Well, whoopty-doo! Honestly, why in the hell was this concieved? Was it like Custers Revenge and made just for giggles?

Don't know (maybe cause it will sell) but it isnt the first of its kind, i have played some other "rape sims" (dating sims as well) like Tsuki Possession and Virgin Roster (both available in America via internet release from Jastusa.) Also please note these games have been reviewed(I'd put the site but it has pictures from the games and there may be younger readers) getting both 3/5s.
however as for Rapelay i havenot played it mainly because i played artificial girl 3 after importing it (can't import rapelay and i refuse to illegally get it)
and the story was not existent but the character creater was great and offered many options.
as for me i play games like Tsuki and Virgin Roster for the story elements since theres enough to fill a novels worth with the text. and both of these games can take up to 15 hours to fully complete and the ending for all the girls in them ranged from worthwhile to ehh.

but i digress this all come down to personal taste and as Clark said the medium. I have seen so many S&M videos available in ebay and adult stores, and can these be considered anything but virtual rape? or how about erotic novels? for me i prefer Adult games with alot of substance like Yume Miru Kusuri: A Drug That Makes You Dream or Princess Waltz, but to each his own.

madmatt:
in my view

This is where your argument becomes invalid. What makes you the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable?

To touch on another of your points, there's no suggestion here of "no regulation." That was, in fact, a big part of the whole thing: The ESRB already provides age ratings for games. The regulation you seem to think doesn't exist is actually a very prominent part of the industry.

toriver:

Entire thing here QFT. I also live in Japan and not once have I seen an underwear dispenser either. Although these types of games are legal in Japan, that does not mean that they're common, or popular, or even that most people don't have a problem with the content. I can't think of one Japanese person I know who would even think of playing Rapelay at all, much less buying it. When it comes to anime, the average perception I get around here is that it's a kids' thing, and you actually have to search for a while to find an anime that isn't directed at children or families. Most of the popular mainstream anime in America (the ones that used to run on Adult Swim, et al.) are seen as being for tweens and teenagers here. This includes Bleach, Shin-chan, FMA, and so on. The only one I have found any reference to at all over here that would be aimed at adults is Evangelion, which is still really popular here, and the only anime aimed at adults that people seem to know here, and it's probably mainly because there's a hugely popular Evangelion pachi-slot game. Manga aimed at adults, and by that I mean mature themes and not sexual content, is much easier to find, and that is in fact pretty common at least where I live out in the Japanese boonies. If people want "Adult Content", you have to go to an adult bookstore to get it, just like in the West.

In fact, get this: it's actually probably harder to buy a 18+ rated video game in Japan than it is in America. The video game stores I go to usually have 18+ rated games (for violence, like MadWorld, Assassin's Creed, and so on) under lock and key so kids can't even look at the box, and certainly can't buy the game. At one store, if I didn't look real closely, I wouldn't have noticed that they even sold those games there.

Seriously, when will people learn that all of Japan is not like Akihabara?

I completely agree with what you are saying here. Japan is not Akihabara nor the clips you find on Youtube, for that matter. Yet, the people that think so, surely don't define their own cultures by out of context slices of sit-coms and commercials and games. In fact, Japanese games and animations are far more diverse in content, while Western ones remain alarmingly narrow by comparison.

So this debate is being instigated by media grazers who have no real experience with Japan and her culture and poeple other than what they've seen filtered through Western agendas. I can't believe it. Such people would be outraged if their own culture was treated similarly , even if object of outrage isn't to do with their culture at all (remembers the stupidity of the KFC Cricket ad debarcle)

(NOTE) And yes, every store I have been to, have a segregated area for adult games, or have them under lock and key in some way.

(INCIDENTALLY) 'oh it's another crazy Japanese invention' moments in every pop-culture blog and news source: is it better to invent nothing at all? It is a lesser known fact that a modern 'aesthetic' of Japan is to invent something 'useless in its usefullness'. I read a book of photos (oxymoron?) in a cafe here.

So, let's see.

"It's disgusting."

Okay, I get that; you don't like having to look at it. Are you seriously of the belief that your not liking to witness something is sufficient reason for it not to exist?

"We have to draw the line somewhere."

Why? Seriously, why? In real life, certainly, for all kinds of reasons. No one deserves to be raped, and the fewer people who are the victims of nonconsensual violence, the better. But in a game? In a book? In a movie? In fantasy? Those aren't real people being hurt. Empathy is admirable, but in this case, it's badly misplaced.

"...If this encourages some sicko to go about such acts in real life..."

Ah, but there's the rub: there isn't any strong evidence that it does. In fact, one study suggests that the availability of pornography can be linked to lower rates of sex crimes. (http://www.physorg.com/news187448961.html)

Arguably, the environment that causes people who have such fantasies to act upon them is one where a) they have no other outlet, and b) they become alienated from society because they believe that no one else is like them.

I've kind of said it before, but... Whatever the subject, no matter how depraved, I'd much prefer that the subjects of violent fantasies be pixels than people. Pixels don't bleed. And no matter how convincing or realistic a simulation is, it remains a simulcrum.

ZahrDalsk:

Toar:
I'm not trying to judge, but why THAT subject? They have giant robots, transforming school girls, a vague idea of angels, and a great deal of other generic anime themes. Why rape? I don't say ban it, but why? It's like the game Manhunt. I like Manhunt and play it alot, but it was made to poke the sensors in the ribs to see if they were paying attention.

Rape is related to the others just as much as they are to each other. You have no idea how closely hentai is tied to anime and japanese moviegames, apparently. This is going to make me sound like a massive weeaboo (even though I dislike japan, to say the least) but honestly, learn a bit about their culture before criticizing it.

To answer why: because when America dropped two nukes on Japan, they didn't just break Japanese imperialism, they pushed them all the way to where they are now. Which do you prefer?

What are you on? We weren't talking WWII, we were talking about games. Yes, the US fucked Japan over real bad, and honestly, no one seems to care anymore BECAUSE the US is buying Japanese shit like candy. Sony and Nintendo belong to Japan, but I don't believe this is some payback for WWII.

And what does your first sentence mean? I don't follow.

...People still watch CNN?

*Ba-dum tish*

Furburt:
Has anyone here ever played Rapelay?

I have. My and mah buddies decided it would be good for a laugh to download it and play it. And it was, that game is impossible to take seriously. Not to mention that the graphics are so basic that the...organs clip through each other in the most ludicrous of ways, it's not even that graphic, nowhere near how bad the media portrays it. Obviously, it's still horrible in places, but it's hardly the bringer of the end times.

And yes, I think it shouldn't be banned. As long as they have proper safeguards so they can't get into childrens hands (although they'd probably find it as amusing as I did) then any consenting adult should be allowed to buy it, should they so wish. Freedom to choose, and all that.

That way, we can gloss over what is really at its heart quite a poor, silly game and promote the good ones.

Finally, someone who has actually played it and can provide an educated opinion. I'm in agreeance that it shouldn't be banned, but only because I believe in the right of choice, and anyone fucked up enough to enjoy playing 'rape games' should be allowed to play rape games; perhaps it provides them with a safe alternative to actually raping people. It should be kept out of children's hands though, of course.

Andy Chalk:

Silva:
Wait a second. At least in my country, the kid will still play the game. An adult, by enforcement if not by law, only has to be present while buying the game. That could be ANY adult, and whatever happens at home once the game is bought is likely to differ. So what you're saying is just not true for Australia, and last I checked the rules regarding MA15+ games were the same here as in America. Maybe you're right for Canada, though.

First of all, on what do you base the statement "the kid will play the game?" I'm quoting from consecutive government studies conclusively demonstrating that a consistent rating system, properly popularized and enforced, is an effective method of controlling access to games. Saying "they'll play them anyway" doesn't carry a lot of weight.

I base my statement on real experience, that is, I've seen kids playing Grand Theft Auto in their homes without parental supervision. Sure, it's not statistically verified, but my opinion is based on the fact that in a liberal household there isn't a perception that letting a kid see an adult game is worse than seeing an adult movie. More importantly, I agree with said perception. I was purely correcting your point that "they wouldn't play it" just because they had to have supervision buying it. I was not making some weird counterpoint, I agree with you on your overall message.

The biggest problem with Australia, which I assume is where you're from, isn't games like RapeLay but the lack of a functional rating system. And your suggestion that the state should have a greater say in the child-rearing process than the parent is more than a little disturbing.

I don't know where you got that suggestion from. I certainly didn't make it. And since I had a letter to the editor published in the Sydney Morning Herald, the New South Wales state newspaper, defending the idea of an R18+ Rating for video games for Australia, I don't think I need a lecture on what my country needs, thank you.

I'm very much against government hands on the child-rearing process.

Silva:
I was purely correcting your point that "they wouldn't play it" just because they had to have supervision buying it. I was not making some weird counterpoint, I agree with you on your overall message.

I don't recall saying that. I said not all games are for kids, I said the ESRB rates games in North America to assist with ensuring age-appropriate gaming, and I said that gamers aren't arguing for kids to have access to AO material. They probably would play it if given a chance, just like they'll play with loaded guns that get left lying around the house.

I think maybe we just got our wires crossed here, because I'm honestly feeling a bit confused.

John Funk:

If it weren't a problem at all, then why are there separate women-only train cars to help prevent subway molestation?

You're just nitpicking on the meaning of my sentence ; and I brought you a link to show you how, despite Japan being so patriarchal, the US isn't much better in term of unreported rape, so my point remain .

dannymc18:

incal11:

If you are still interested by the subject after writing this article you could go there.
http://yestofreedom.org/

I love how their second post is basically entitled "why we do exactly what we tell you not to". That entire site is immediately declared null and void for me.

You didn't read that one , have you ?
As might be expected that site had a lot of problems with trolls, none of your opinions will be censored as long as you are intelligent and polite.

dannymc18:
I don't believe it just happens to be coincidence that, as Andy excellently points out in the article that Japan is both the biggest, if not only, market for this type of game, but also probably the only place in the world where they have been forced to introduce women-only cars on crowded passenger trains.

Yes, Japan is TOTALLY the only market for this game...I'm sorry, have you been on the internet lately? 4chan? etc? Don't try to make Japan this huge, disgusting, rape-obsessed culture.

I also find it interesting that you link to a wiki page that contradicts your argument and reason for linking there. It says that "Egypt, India, Taiwan, Brazil, Mexico, Belarus[1], the Philippines and Dubai[2], also offer women-only train cars."
"Probably the only place in the world," huh? Might want to check your sources before you cite them, buddeh. And God forbid they enact such a system to protect their female population, yes, how DARE they solve problems?! Why can't they just sweep them under the carpet like the rest of civilization?

John Funk:

incal11:

John Funk:
Murder doesn't HAVE to be reported. Rape does.

I don't get your logic, both are crimes, and how their perpetrators are caught and punished or not is unrelated to the nature of the crime.

Also, insisting that most rapes in Japan are unreported because of the great shame they bring there is not a valid argument.
Serious studies do prove that many rapes are unreported everywhere ; don't think women are less ashamed of being raped because thei're not japanese.
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates
Personally I find this whole "shuned by the whole family" shtick doubtful.

Andy Chalk:
Banning videogames about rape sounds like a good idea. Here's why it's not.

If you are still interested by the subject after writing this article you could go there.
http://yestofreedom.org/

...it's fairly easy to determine if someone is alive or dead (barring disappearance), yes? If the death as examined by medical practitioners looks fishy, and foul play is suspected, then a murder investigation can start without any report of a crime. By its nature, rape is only between the victim and attacker unless there's a witness; if the victim does not report it then there is absolutely no way it can be counted.

Rape carries with it a deep sense of cultural shame everywhere, not just Japan - I certainly agree. But Japan is a very patriarchal society, and a society very heavily based around the idea of saving face, etc.

If it weren't a problem at all, then why are there separate women-only train cars to help prevent subway molestation?

I'm confused. This seems to be turning into an argument of 'rape is bad, and so is murder.' I'm guessing we're arguing over whether or not Japan's supposedly squeaky-clean crime slate concerning rape is accurate, given the cultural influence that discourages the reporting of rape cases. I suppose the culture is to blame for a small number of unreported rape cases, but the same could be said of hate crimes down south, or illegal marijuana out west.

I'm not saying that it isn't a problem, and, in fact, the establishment of women-only train cars proves that it is/was a problem. The government then took steps to accommodate the worries and safety of their population. Idk, it sounds like Japan is doing a lot more to solve their criminal problems than most other countries.
As far as the game goes, it's a game! Erotic novels have many of the same, er, 'situations,' bu nobody's crying out against them! (Possibly because they aren't nearly as easy to get, but that's a whole 'nother issue.)

I would say that Chalk's article sums up the situation rather well, and addresses most of the issues, concerns, and hysterical fear-mongering brought up by the game itself. It's a very well-written argument, and I wish someone at CNN would take a look at it, as it's a bit more fair than the 'rape is awful' knee-jerk condemnation offered by the news networks.

Jaredin:
It is a problem...you ban one, and then, another and another.

Soon, only games we will be able to play will contain fluffy clouds and good will towards everyne..

true, but are you suggesting that rapelay and other such games will not filter out online?

Kiefer13:
I agree completely. I think Rapelay and other games like it are disgusting. But censorship is far more disgusting then they could ever be.

Absolutely agree.

"We live in a mature and responsible society in which adults have the right to choose for themselves: What they watch, what they read, what they listen to, and yes, what they play. It's one of the most fundamental principles of our freedom; a bit ironically, perhaps, it's also the one that's sometimes the hardest to live with. But if we accept that videogames are no more responsible for causing deviant behavior than any other form of media - which I do - then it becomes quite obvious that a lot of people are looking at this the wrong way. I don't need to tell you why RapeLay shouldn't be banned. You need to tell me why it should."

I think it should be banned because rape is worse than a 'death' no matter how bloody, no matter what household appliance is used, no matter the context of dieing used in any other video game I can think of..... being raped is worse. Men don't get raped (ok, there have been some stories, but none that I have heard that are legit in my opinion) so maybe you as a man, don't understand what rape is like for a woman (I know I can't even begin to guess).

That being said, take the most offensive violent God of Bore, Hot Coffee, game you can think of, and explain to me how we are talking about a game instead of an outlet for trash.

Do you, as a human, know of something that is more evil than raping a woman? If you do, should that be allowed in games as long as we say people under the age of 18 can't play it??

Many may think I'm overreacting, but this sounds to me like people want to have some rape fantasy happen for them, and don't want to admit how horrible they are for allowing it.

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