Let's Not Ban RapeLay

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Sober Thal:
Do you, as a human, know of something that is more evil than raping a woman? If you do, should that be allowed in games as long as we say people under the age of 18 can't play it??

genocide

and yes

And if you think we all just want our rape fantasy fix, you're wrong.

I just don't want to set a precedent that it's suddenly "ok" to ban a game.

Once you can ban a game, you can technically ban any game. The next time some controversial game comes, they can just say "Hey, well we banned that game, we can ban this one too because we don't like it."

Allow the people to decide what they want to buy. If it bothers you, do not associate with those people.

dannymc18:
I'm anti-censorship and anti-lazy-high-profile-news-outlets-looking-for-a-cheap-bit-of-scandal-and-controversy, however, a line must be drawn somewhere. Also, you may say that the game exists as a result of the culture in Japan, but I'm afraid I have to say in that case that something needs sorted out in Japan. A country where women need dedicated train carriages just so they wont constantly get groped is a country that has serious problems.

Anyway, yes, I say a line should be drawn, and it should be drawn long before this game. I'm sure if it was a child porn game no one would defend it, why should this be any different.

what about Doki Doki majo shinpai?
alot of people find that game fun.
its about choice, not control.
and I think alot of people seem to forget about that.
in the words of the surprisingly wise south park.
"its everything, or nothing"
If the kids somehow obtain copies of the game(or other innapropriate material) than it is the negligence of the parents that led to it, because as we all know, kids find stuff.

Off topic, if they do change Japan, I hope they keep the cherry blossem as thier flower, its so pretty ^_^.

but back on topic, its cultural differances, same as religion or food.
but then again, women have the right to feel protected, so cant they just give them mace or something?
bleargh, my head hurts now, I see the delicate canundrum you guys are in.
hopefully someone is better with words than I to convince you all...

Altorin:

Sober Thal:
Do you, as a human, know of something that is more evil than raping a woman? If you do, should that be allowed in games as long as we say people under the age of 18 can't play it??

genocide

and yes

And if you think we all just want our rape fantasy fix, you're wrong.

I just don't want to set a precedent that it's suddenly "ok" to ban a game.

Once you can ban a game, you can technically ban any game. The next time some controversial game comes, they can just say "Hey, well we banned that game, we can ban this one too because we don't like it."

Allow the people to decide what they want to buy. If it bothers you, do not associate with those people.

someone found the right words ^_^
and on the same page the post took me, must be fate.
I like you
*hug*

to Sober Thal
its about choice, not control.

one thing they dont think about here in the west, is that Rape hentai and Doujinshi are usually directed and mostly bought by FEMALEs in Japan.
and its more about feeling helpless to avoid the pleasure (if that makes sense). not about the oppression of the woman.

Its almost like Yaoi(gay porn) in the way that its more directed towards a female audience than gay people.

Industrial-strenght Fan:
one thing they dont think about here in the west, is that Rape hentai and Doujinshi are usually directed and mostly bought by FEMALEs in Japan.
and its more about feeling helpless to avoid the pleasure (if that makes sense). not about the oppression of the woman.

Its almost like Yaoi(gay porn) in the way that its more directed towards a female audience than gay people.

Don't Feed the Yaoi Guai

HOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWL!!

sockpuppet:

I'm confused. This seems to be turning into an argument of 'rape is bad, and so is murder.' I'm guessing we're arguing over whether or not Japan's supposedly squeaky-clean crime slate concerning rape is accurate, given the cultural influence that discourages the reporting of rape cases. I suppose the culture is to blame for a small number of unreported rape cases, but the same could be said of hate crimes down south, or illegal marijuana out west.

Yes it's hard to keep this kind of conversation on it's rails.
This came up because one of the best argument against censorship is that Japan has a very low rate of sex crime despite, or perhaps because of, their high tolerance of Hentai; compared to especially prudish countries (overall) like the US.

The pro-censorships try to dismiss this argument with half-truths like "most rapes in Japan are not reported because it is so shameful".
While I'm at it...

John Funk:
noproofnoproofnoproof

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2006/06/rape-porn-and-criminality-political.php

incal11:

sockpuppet:

I'm confused. This seems to be turning into an argument of 'rape is bad, and so is murder.' I'm guessing we're arguing over whether or not Japan's supposedly squeaky-clean crime slate concerning rape is accurate, given the cultural influence that discourages the reporting of rape cases. I suppose the culture is to blame for a small number of unreported rape cases, but the same could be said of hate crimes down south, or illegal marijuana out west.

Yes it's hard to keep this kind of conversation on it's rails.
This came up because one of the best argument against censorship is that Japan has a very low rate of sex crime despite, or perhaps because of, their high tolerance of Hentai; compared to especially prudish countries (overall) like the US.

The pro-censorships try to dismiss this argument with half-truths like "most rapes in Japan are not reported because it is so shameful".
While I'm at it...

John Funk:
noproofnoproofnoproof

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2006/06/rape-porn-and-criminality-political.php

Not gonna lie, I lol'd at the 'noproofnoproofnoproof' quote. (Although it does feel strange to me; posting with and arguing against the editors and authors of this very site...just something that gave me a shiver for a moment ^_^;) And that study is one that I hadn't heard of before, thanks for linking it.

John Funk:

incal11:

Also, insisting that most rapes in Japan are unreported because of the great shame they bring there is not a valid argument.
Serious studies do prove that many rapes are unreported everywhere ; don't think women are less ashamed of being raped because thei're not japanese.
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates
Personally I find this whole "shuned by the whole family" shtick doubtful.

Andy Chalk:
Banning videogames about rape sounds like a good idea. Here's why it's not.

If you are still interested by the subject after writing this article you could go there.
http://yestofreedom.org/

Rape carries with it a deep sense of cultural shame everywhere, not just Japan - I certainly agree. But Japan is a very patriarchal society, and a society very heavily based around the idea of saving face, etc.

If it weren't a problem at all, then why are there separate women-only train cars to help prevent subway molestation?

I'm going to nitpick a few sentences to argue. If they are taken out of context I apologise. I'm also a little tired from work so I apologise if my research is not that in-depth.

First of all, there's a big article in the link below:
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-pornography-rape-sex-crimes-japan.html

Now there's a few conclusions that were derived from the article:
1) Reporting of rape HAS increased in Japan in recent years
2) Even so there is still a flatline or downward trend with regards to rape incidences
3) There is little evidence to show that the Japanese people take rape as a crime less seriously than, say, an American or Australian.

This means that even if you want to question to rate at which sexual crimes are reported between different countries, you cannot deny that things such as "loli manga" and "rape games" have had little or no effect on the population of japan given the meteoric rise in distribution in recent times.

Consider also the previous posts that show studies where distribution of pornography have had either no effect or a effectively reduced the number of rape cases in other countries.

There just isn't sufficient statistical evidence to show that these items have a negative impact on the Japanese people. At worst it has a neutral effect. There are so many other factors involved that may have a dramatic effect but I believe treating Rapelay as a scapegoat is delusional and almost criminal as it prevents the more pertinent factors to be addressed.

Now as to the train comment: I won't deny that they may have been started up as a way to stop molestation at first. However the argument that they still exist today does not entail that women in the other carriages will definitely be raped either. It has as much weight as me saying that women-only gyms exist to prevent the members from being raped.

Consider how often trains are used in Japan compared to cars, etc. Think about how crowded they get during peak hour. Ask yourself this: isn't it a great idea that the train service people provide a car where the work lady need not be sandwiched between two or more men on the way home, regardless of whether or not they are molesting her?

Come on. It's not like Japanese women are forced to wear a burqa so as to prevent men from being sexually attracted to them.

incal11:

sockpuppet:

I'm confused. This seems to be turning into an argument of 'rape is bad, and so is murder.' I'm guessing we're arguing over whether or not Japan's supposedly squeaky-clean crime slate concerning rape is accurate, given the cultural influence that discourages the reporting of rape cases. I suppose the culture is to blame for a small number of unreported rape cases, but the same could be said of hate crimes down south, or illegal marijuana out west.

Yes it's hard to keep this kind of conversation on it's rails.
This came up because one of the best argument against censorship is that Japan has a very low rate of sex crime despite, or perhaps because of, their high tolerance of Hentai; compared to especially prudish countries (overall) like the US.

The pro-censorships try to dismiss this argument with half-truths like "most rapes in Japan are not reported because it is so shameful".
While I'm at it...

John Funk:
noproofnoproofnoproof

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2006/06/rape-porn-and-criminality-political.php

Please don't - for even a second - confuse my stance with being pro-censorship. I believe that RapeLay has every right to exist as a game.

I just think that portraying Japan as an enlightened country where nothing is wrong ever is a horribly, horribly misguided aim, and that its "low rape rate" really shouldn't be used as evidence.

It's funny but there seems to have been rape before this awful game in fact there have been mass rapes, rape camps, rape gangs all long before this game and there still are in countries where I would'nt say you have a lot of people playing games.

I said the same thing last time this games was mentioned,every time this games get's into the news thousands of torrents are fired up to check it out

Furburt:

NO PUNY FLESH CAN HOLD HIS PENIS

I laughed so hard, man so hard.

Sober Thal:
I think it should be banned because rape is worse than a 'death' no matter how bloody, no matter what household appliance is used, no matter the context of dieing used in any other video game I can think of

I've actually run into that argument before, that rape is somehow "worse" than death. I'll say now what I said then: It's a ridiculous statement. Go find some rape victims and ask them if, having survived the experience, they'd now rather be dead. Get back to me at your convenience.

As far as the comment about "men don't get raped," I take it you've never spent any time in prison, particularly in the southern hemisphere.

But again, this isn't especially relevant, because we're not talking about rape. We're talking about a videogame and essential freedoms of expression.

is that Rape hentai and Doujinshi are usually directed and mostly bought by FEMALEs in Japan.

Just like rape fantasies in America of the romance novel, Lifetime network, and Twilight variety are pretty much all female, all the time.

But of course, only the 'best' or the 'chosen' guys can act out this scenario; anybody else is going to get slapped with a sexual harassment lawsuit. Here's how the process works.

The only reason RapeLay is being castigated is the title. Far worse things are made in Japan every day, many by women. And quite a few of the women who'd whine about RapeLay are perfectly fine with, say, shota yaoi.

In any case, to most females, rape is not worse than death. Getting raped by an undesirable man is worse than death. Getting raped by a desirable man is prelude to an effective relationship according to most romance novels.

John Funk:

incal11:

sockpuppet:

I'm confused. This seems to be turning into an argument of 'rape is bad, and so is murder.' I'm guessing we're arguing over whether or not Japan's supposedly squeaky-clean crime slate concerning rape is accurate, given the cultural influence that discourages the reporting of rape cases. I suppose the culture is to blame for a small number of unreported rape cases, but the same could be said of hate crimes down south, or illegal marijuana out west.

Yes it's hard to keep this kind of conversation on it's rails.
This came up because one of the best argument against censorship is that Japan has a very low rate of sex crime despite, or perhaps because of, their high tolerance of Hentai; compared to especially prudish countries (overall) like the US.

The pro-censorships try to dismiss this argument with half-truths like "most rapes in Japan are not reported because it is so shameful".
While I'm at it...

John Funk:
noproofnoproofnoproof

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2006/06/rape-porn-and-criminality-political.php

Please don't - for even a second - confuse my stance with being pro-censorship. I believe that RapeLay has every right to exist as a game.

I just think that portraying Japan as an enlightened country where nothing is wrong ever is a horribly, horribly misguided aim, and that its "low rape rate" really shouldn't be used as evidence.

Of course it is a horribly misguided aim. Rape happens in Japan and it goes unreported... just like anywhere else. That's what I am hoping people understand here anyway. Far too often, it seems to me that just because something like RapeLay exists, people get the impression that Japan is not only just as bad as any other country in these respects, but much worse. Like, "all the men here go home from their day of groping to sit down at their porn-filled computer and play 5 or 6 hentai tentacle rape sims" kind of worse. It just saddens me sometimes to live here and see the misguided views of the country on either end. No, Japan is not squeaky, Leave-It-To-Beaver-clean. But it's not the hotbed of messed-up fetishes that people make it out to be any more than any other place in the world. Such things are just as fringe here as they are in the West. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this before people start to understand it. You ever wonder why so much of that stuff gets exported from here? I would bet it's probably because the international market is larger, even in terms of percentage of the population, in a number of areas than the domestic market. As some others have suggested, we cannot disconnect the international reputation of this stuff from anime. It is anime porn, after all. It's likely that if you're a fan of this stuff, you're also a fan of anime in general. I'm not saying that all anime fans like games like RapeLay, but that probably more than half of the people who own RapeLay also like anime. Japanese anime has caught on like wildfire around the world, to the point that many anime series are probably more well-known in foreign countries than they are in Japan itself. So it's probably natural for a hentai game developer to think that the international market for their game will be huge, even if it doesn't go so well in the domestic market. That's right; I'm suggesting that some of these games were made for export. Not specifically RapeLay, but I would guarantee you that there's stuff out there that's just as bad as RapeLay that has indeed made its way to Western shores. But I would also guarantee you that if I didn't like anime or video games, I wouldn't have even heard of RapeLay until the CNN story broke, and I only heard about it before because IGN mentioned it in an article on sex in video games that I read last year. So ultimately, my point is, just as the average Westerner hadn't heard of RapeLay and other such things until now, neither has the average Japanese person. We, as gamers, anime fans, and blog readers, tend to view these kinds of things from a different mindset than the average person in either area. But sometimes, to understand something like a foreign culture, we have to try to place ourselves in the shoes of the average person from that culture in order to get an idea of what they might be thinking. And I can say for certain, that the average Japanese person probably had not heard of RapeLay before this story broke, and may not even have heard of RapeLay to this day. There's nothing on the whole controversy in the mainstream Japanese media and most adult Japanese probably don't care much about gaming, anime, or anything like that anyway because that's "all for kids". That's the impression I get from living here for almost 2 years now. Doesn't sound like anything you've heard about Japan before, does it?

John Funk:

incal11:

sockpuppet:

I'm confused. This seems to be turning into an argument of 'rape is bad, and so is murder.' I'm guessing we're arguing over whether or not Japan's supposedly squeaky-clean crime slate concerning rape is accurate, given the cultural influence that discourages the reporting of rape cases. I suppose the culture is to blame for a small number of unreported rape cases, but the same could be said of hate crimes down south, or illegal marijuana out west.

Yes it's hard to keep this kind of conversation on it's rails.
This came up because one of the best argument against censorship is that Japan has a very low rate of sex crime despite, or perhaps because of, their high tolerance of Hentai; compared to especially prudish countries (overall) like the US.

The pro-censorships try to dismiss this argument with half-truths like "most rapes in Japan are not reported because it is so shameful".
While I'm at it...

John Funk:
noproofnoproofnoproof

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2006/06/rape-porn-and-criminality-political.php

Please don't - for even a second - confuse my stance with being pro-censorship. I believe that RapeLay has every right to exist as a game.

I just think that portraying Japan as an enlightened country where nothing is wrong ever is a horribly, horribly misguided aim, and that its "low rape rate" really shouldn't be used as evidence.

personally i don't believe we should correlate real rape with this game. and it seems people have gotten off the issue at hand which is that even though there is other forms of this rape porn out there that this one is being targeted for no apparent reason. Since this game from the pictures and videos i've seen and what i've heard(all i have to go on since i don't and won't illegally get a game) is no more violent or dramatic then some novels. This and UKs newest ban on hentai
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-04-07/uk-virtual-child-porn-ban-takes-effect-on-tuesday
has disgusted me to no limit since if their gonna outlaw this i am going to demand they destory the Statue of David since it depicts a underage boy since from what i heard David from David Vs Goliath was under 18 and even if he wasn't weres the proof to say that piece of art depicts him over the age of 18.(I no that thats a filmsy statement but some see the statue obscene as it is but since its a statue it doesn't fall under the law which is the most biased piece of excrement i have ever heard of because whose to say whose thoughts on obscene material is right I know my Opinion is far less condemning then most but Opinions should'nt matter and this law should be torn down because of the unfairness of it all)

I think what the creator of Rapelay (Takeshi Nogami) said it best:

"Those products are developed for rational adults. You surely don't believe that a rational adult would be influenced by such a game into committing rape, do you?... We make works of art. Let me say that again. It is just art. I assume that you are capable of distinguishing fiction from reality like we do. Are you not?"

The problem is that people perceives anything we do in video games, we will do it in real life. Really? Really?! If those people believe that playing any violent video game will make you go gun crazy and murdering other people, they are thinking it WRONG.

sockpuppet:
Not gonna lie, I lol'd at the 'noproofnoproofnoproof' quote. (Although it does feel strange to me; posting with and arguing against the editors and authors of this very site...just something that gave me a shiver for a moment ^_^;) And that study is one that I hadn't heard of before, thanks for linking it.

Don't be intimidated ; me, if one day I push somebody's wrong button and get banned I hope it'll be because I dared say the truth .

John Funk:

I just think that portraying Japan as an enlightened country where nothing is wrong ever is a horribly, horribly misguided aim, and that its "low rape rate" really shouldn't be used as evidence.

I am not portraying Japan as a superior country, I especially disapprove it's super rigid social structure and patriarchy. I'm only putting the light on that particular side of their culture that is better .
Japan's rape rate IS low, no matter how you look at it ; and it's at least part of the evidences I've been showing you.

reciprocal:
First of all, there's a big article in the link below:
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-pornography-rape-sex-crimes-japan.html

I read this,it is interesting.

reciprocal:
There just isn't sufficient statistical evidence to show that these items have a negative impact on the Japanese people. At worst it has a neutral effect. There are so many other factors involved that may have a dramatic effect but I believe treating Rapelay as a scapegoat is delusional and almost criminal as it prevents the more pertinent factors to be addressed.

It's true we'd have to see Japan banning Hentai and wait to see how it's rape rates evolve to conclude on the cultural factors ; but it remains that there is no evidence of pornography having a negative impact on society at all.
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2006/06/rape-porn-and-criminality-political.php
Studies like this are real statistical evidence of this ; and that's what this is all about, showing how senseless censorship is.

Rapelay became sort of like a simbol by accident, it could have been some other game like it, It's after CNN made a scandal out of it that literally hundreds of american lawyers started harrassing japanese publishers. Then japanese pro-censorship organisations started receiving large amounts of money from american associations.

That said,I'd like to know what are the more pertinent factors you're thinking of.

toriver:
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Gah, please make paragraphs so I can unerstand you better !
I think I agree my a lot of what you say, but I have to repeat that I'mnot glorifying Japan.

Gamegodtre:
personally i don't believe we should correlate real rape with this game. and it seems people have gotten off the issue at hand which is that even though there is other forms of this rape porn out there that this one is being targeted for no apparent reason.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-04-07/uk-virtual-child-porn-ban-takes-effect-on-tuesday

No,I am discussing the issue, the mess around Rapelay is only one of the most visible sign of freedom of speech being endangered around the world.
If nothing is done against this trend the statue of David may one day be hidden away or destroyed.

incal11:

sockpuppet:
Not gonna lie, I lol'd at the 'noproofnoproofnoproof' quote. (Although it does feel strange to me; posting with and arguing against the editors and authors of this very site...just something that gave me a shiver for a moment ^_^;) And that study is one that I hadn't heard of before, thanks for linking it.

Don't be intimidated ; me, if one day I push somebody's wrong button and get banned I hope it'll be because I dared say the truth .

John Funk:

I just think that portraying Japan as an enlightened country where nothing is wrong ever is a horribly, horribly misguided aim, and that its "low rape rate" really shouldn't be used as evidence.

I'm sorry then that I slightly misunderstood you.
I am not portraying Japan as a superior country, I especially disapprove it's super rigid social structure and patriarchy.
I'm only putting the light on that particular side of their culture that is better .

reciprocal:
First of all, there's a big article in the link below:
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-pornography-rape-sex-crimes-japan.html

I read this,it is interesting.

reciprocal:
There just isn't sufficient statistical evidence to show that these items have a negative impact on the Japanese people. At worst it has a neutral effect. There are so many other factors involved that may have a dramatic effect but I believe treating Rapelay as a scapegoat is delusional and almost criminal as it prevents the more pertinent factors to be addressed.

It's true we'd have to see Japan banning Hentai and wait to see how it's rape rates evolve to conclude on the cultural factors ; but it remains that there is no evidence of pornography having a negative impact on society at all.
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2006/06/rape-porn-and-criminality-political.php
Studies like this are real statistical evidence of this ; and that's what this is all about, showing how senseless censorship is.

Rapelay became sort of like a simbol by accident, it could have been some other game like it, It's after CNN made a scandal out of it that literally hundreds of american lawyers started harrassing japanese publishers. Then japanese pro-censorship organisations started receiving large amounts of money from american associations.

That said,I'd like to know what are the more pertinent factors you're thinking of.

toriver:
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Gah, please make paragraphs so I can unerstand you better !
I think I agree my a lot of what you say, but I have to repeat that I'mnot glorifying Japan.

Gamegodtre:
personally i don't believe we should correlate real rape with this game. and it seems people have gotten off the issue at hand which is that even though there is other forms of this rape porn out there that this one is being targeted for no apparent reason.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-04-07/uk-virtual-child-porn-ban-takes-effect-on-tuesday

No,I am discussing the issue, the mess around Rapelay is only one of the most visible sign of freedom of speech being endangered around the world.
If nothing is done against this trend the statue of David may one day be hidden away or destroyed.

true but i think you mean Expression since this falls under artistic expression and not speech altho the dialog in the game(if there is any) could fall under that category. to me a avid fan of anime, be it hentai or not, (i own all the us released adult pc dating sim games and some from dlsite) the banning of this game is horrible because as Eric Cartman on South Park stated if you can get one thing banned then you can get everything banned under the pretense of the first banned thing(the show referred to banning a family guy episode but i think i fits well here as well). My feelings on the subject are as following no piece of art should be banned.

Edit/sidenote
this maybe the longest quote string ever.
Edit 2
also lets not forget how well American prohibition worked it just turns whatever is outlawed into a underground thing it never stops it.
Edit 3(sorry for all the edits)
God knows i'm not going to stop looking at my hentai or getting more.

I think I once downloaded a rape game on accident thinking it was some porn video. When I played it, it turned out to be this piece of shit. First off, it was hilarious and ridiculous in the most extremes. But what this article points out is exactly why I have problems with government banning Neo-Nazi Marches. As a Jew, I find the act of doing so abhorrent, but they (in America at least) still have freedom of speech. And no matter how much I disagree with it, I will always fight against government imposing of free speech.

Andy Chalk:

Sober Thal:
I think it should be banned because rape is worse than a 'death' no matter how bloody, no matter what household appliance is used, no matter the context of dieing used in any other video game I can think of

I've actually run into that argument before, that rape is somehow "worse" than death. I'll say now what I said then: It's a ridiculous statement. Go find some rape victims and ask them if, having survived the experience, they'd now rather be dead. Get back to me at your convenience.

As far as the comment about "men don't get raped," I take it you've never spent any time in prison, particularly in the southern hemisphere.

But again, this isn't especially relevant, because we're not talking about rape. We're talking about a videogame and essential freedoms of expression.

You are right, and I was wrong. I was upset and posted w/out thinking clearly, I should have been able to realize men in prison drop the soap!

As far as the worse than death part, I was thinking of a girl from my high school who killed herself after being raped, and the many stories I've heard that are similar. This whole topic is a bit to much for me I guess. I wouldn't want a book that tells a story about rape to be banned, so I guess a videogame shouldn't be banned either. Thanks for helping to clear my head a bit.

y1fella:
Rape is pretty much the most horrible thing one human can do to another.

So...By that logic: Rape > Holocaust

dannymc18:
I'm sure if it was a child porn game no one would defend it, why should this be any different.

just an FYI my friend

in the "Eroge" business, most games you see are based and sold to teen guys and girls, i know however that drawing children having sex is not "illegal" in Japan (mostly frowned upon and there are a bunch of regulations around the issue like no real life models and such, but its still not illegal)

so most eroge games are sold to teen guys and girls, and as such contain storyes that would appeal to teen guys and girls, revolving around school romance, magic girls and other wacky stuff, and as such, most of the girls portrayed in game are younger than 18

wich in Japan is OK, but over most countries in the world its not, so when they import those games, they change the age stating that everyone is over 18, and the girls that look younger are 18 exactly (wich obviously is bull)

I actually like a lot of eroge games (Hentai Master anyone??) but i have to make the point that THEY ARE DRAWINGS!, only that, no real people where harmed on doing those games, why is it ok to blow up a guys head with a shotgun but when sex is involved "DAMN!!! O MY GOD!! ITS WRONG!!"??

thats all i wanted to say.

I support the ban on insipid American sitcoms!!

Eh... Censorship drives me nuts, and I'd support this on principle alone, even if I have no interest in the game itself, or the subject. (morbid curiosity aside...)

Unfortunately, I live in England, which has banned both 'violent' pornography, and drawn child pornography. (yes... Having Lolicon, or other hand-drawn images that could be construed to be pornographic depictions of someone who looks under 18... Can get you charged as a pedophile in England now...
I do so love how efforts to protect 'children' inevitably get taken too far...

-sigh-

I wonder what would have happened if they never put this in the news...

zHellas:

y1fella:
Rape is pretty much the most horrible thing one human can do to another.

So...By that logic: Rape > Holocaust

You might notice eye said pretty much. not literally and plus i said that incorrectly i meant to say "one individual can do to another"

y1fella:

zHellas:

y1fella:
Rape is pretty much the most horrible thing one human can do to another.

So...By that logic: Rape > Holocaust

You might notice eye said pretty much. not literally and plus i said that incorrectly i meant to say "one individual can do to another"

the argument is still flawed. I'm sure an incredible number of rape victims would still rather be alive at the end of the day then dead. And claiming that just because someone you knew killed themselves because they were raped is anecdotal evidence at best.

Altorin:

y1fella:

zHellas:

y1fella:
Rape is pretty much the most horrible thing one human can do to another.

So...By that logic: Rape > Holocaust

You might notice eye said pretty much. not literally and plus i said that incorrectly i meant to say "one individual can do to another"

the argument is still flawed. I'm sure an incredible number of rape victims would still rather be alive at the end of the day then dead. And claiming that just because someone you knew killed themselves because they were raped is anecdotal evidence at best.

Look lets not get into an argument about just how horrible rape is and agree on the fact rape is a horrible sick twisted act and it should not be encouraged for any reason ever at all.

y1fella:

Altorin:

y1fella:

zHellas:

y1fella:
Rape is pretty much the most horrible thing one human can do to another.

So...By that logic: Rape > Holocaust

You might notice eye said pretty much. not literally and plus i said that incorrectly i meant to say "one individual can do to another"

the argument is still flawed. I'm sure an incredible number of rape victims would still rather be alive at the end of the day then dead. And claiming that just because someone you knew killed themselves because they were raped is anecdotal evidence at best.

Look lets not get into an argument about just how horrible rape is and agree on the fact rape is a horrible sick twisted act and it should not be encouraged for any reason ever at all.

then the argument becomes "does watching rape porn turn you into a rapist", and I say it does not.

Andy Chalk:

madmatt:
in my view

This is where your argument becomes invalid. What makes you the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable?

To touch on another of your points, there's no suggestion here of "no regulation." That was, in fact, a big part of the whole thing: The ESRB already provides age ratings for games. The regulation you seem to think doesn't exist is actually a very prominent part of the industry.

A coherent argument to make but i would say a few points:
firstly i did not say there was no regulation - rather i was pointing the opposite! (perhaps i was a bit unclear here) I was pointing out that regulation DOES exist already - it is always a balance, and such a balance must be subjective - there is no objective approach to it that i can see - you agree or yu don't.

As for what makes me the arbiter of what is and isn't acceptable - that is the same principle as why do we not have porn on the BBC during the middle of kids cartoons? It is intrinsically a judgement made by the public on what they see as "acceptable". *Yes*, this can be oppressive if not moderated, but the *alternative* is to ignore the *majorities* views which is also oppressive. Hence, I think a degree of this arbitation is inevitable in life and warranted - we do not live in a lassaiz faire utilitarian society after all - as people chose not to

As a side note and valid possibly to other games i think another big issue is seperating the personal consumption from public effects - if we cannot then the argument is lost in much more general terms to the detriment of gamers everywhere.

This topic annoys me. As a programer I can assure you all video game sex is rape, game characters cannot give consent. ALL there actions are determined by the developer! The same can be said about all cartoon pornography, so either you have to ban all fictional sex/pornographic material or none of it.

I'm a serious H gamer, and a lolicon, so let me put it like this.

THEY CAME FIRST for the rapists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a rapist.

THEN THEY CAME for the guro lovers,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't into guro.

THEN THEY CAME for the zoophiles,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a zoophile.

THEN THEY CAME for the sadists and masochists,
and I didn't speak up because I'm neither.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up

We must fight while we can, lest there be a Hentai-less future.

DamienHell:
This topic annoys me. As a programer I can assure you all video game sex is rape, game characters cannot give consent. ALL there actions are determined by the developer! The same can be said about all cartoon pornography, so either you have to ban all fictional sex/pornographic material or none of it.

That's the thing though, it's just simply rather stupid to deal with 1 game in such a manner when so many other forms of media share the same thing. In fact, the ban on Rapelay (which according to Leigh Alexander was "tame" in comparison to some of the other stuff she's played) is simply unwarranted. It creates restrictions on all forms of media. Games that involve rape but has meaning to it also will not see the light.

I'm not one to use the slippery slope argument, but there are many nutjobs out there who will take it to the extreme. If you want to stop them, you have to stop them at the bud.

Sevre90210:
As long as it's only for sale in Japan. This is hard to justify, but at least Japanese society can deal with games like this.

Imagine what would happen if this game came out in the West?

1)You're going to hear a massive uproar from the media, which is bad publicity for all video games since we aren't exactly the most beloved form of entertainment to exist.

2)Communities will speak out and start spewing their own ideological crap, suddenly religions gain opinions on rape games.

3)It's a slim chance that this game will ever cause anyone to actually go out and fulfill a fantasy, but by god if it happens, even if it's only once, it will be, not a scar, but a laceration on the face of the video game industry.

So yeah, we live in a civilisation with a very...open voice..,unless you want that voice to be heard, I think it's best to put rape games back in the cupboard out of reach, not of the ignorant hands of children, but the ignorant hands of adults.

Bravo, what an exceptional diagnosis of what would happen. I can realistically see this happen where I live haha.

Top show!

-JB

Lord_Gremlin:
Ok. It's mentioned at CNN second time, I think I must buy this game. Honestly, I've never liked such things but I think I should give it a try just to know what's it about. Well, now I have to find an online store that sells the damn thing...

Unless you speak Japanese your only real option is to pirate it. The company that made it never got it translated, since they didn't intend to sell it outside of Japan. I wonder if they're regretting that decision.

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