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Vanguard1219:

Eudaemonian:

What is this, Loading Ready La Reistance?

You have to understand one of the main gripes coming from the Runners base right now; LRR offered their videos in high resolution video for a long time before the migration over to the Escapist, and now several of the loyal and long-time fans are feeling cheated because they're being put into a position where they pretty much have to pay for something that they've been getting free for years.

While the "you don't lose anything you already have" argument is valid and does hold up, you guys have to understand that in the eyes of the LRR fans they did lose something here, and they aren't happy about it. And understandably so.

Now this is phrased in a way that makes a lot more sense and doesn't just sound like someone who wants to be angry.

I love LRR. I watched it independently of The Escapist. The video quality was never really a big deal for me. LRR was very generous to offer high-quality video, but it is a gratuity and one that gets more expensive the more viewers you have.

I'm sure some LRR folks are bent out of shape about how things turned out, but didn't the "harm" really happen back when they joined up with The Escapist? That ship has sailed. The makers of LRR thought joining The Escapist was a good idea, some compromises were involved, and here we are. They really can't expect for their favored piece of a media group to be set aside and treated differently. If that were the case, why merge?

Gilbert Munch:

They're trying to make it seem as though very little will change as a result of this, yet making a 'walled garden'?

I'd imagine it could be contentious in theory, but in reality, I'm going to guess it'll just be sparsely populated version of these forums. Much like a user group or something like that. Probably nothing to get annoyed about, really.

oppp7:

How does Warcry stay up with ads being the only source of revenue?

It's all under Themis Media, so I guess their finances cover both forums.

Here's another quick thought.

All those who do join will no longer see the ads. Advertisers on the Escapist will be less willing to be paying as much if half as many people are seeing them.

This seems to be adverse to the premium plan.

So, the lost revenue will need to be made up somehow.

Which will likely mean either more ads for those of us choosing not to join the premium group. Or more content for the premium members, to try to draw more subscribers. At that point it could begin to look like a pay site.

Suggestion: It would be nice to access the videos from the iPhone's Opera Mini browser. It kicks safari's ass in terms of speed, so it's all I'm going to be using anyway...

Well, I joined, I spend about 20 minutes per day on this site so it was well worth it. Wooh!

TylerBaumbarger:
At that point it could begin to look like a pay site.

THAT'S what "I Hit It With My Axe" is for!

Subscribe now for kinky D&D action with guest stars from the seedy world of hardcore porn! O:

TylerBaumbarger:
Here's another quick thought.

All those who do join will no longer see the ads. Those offering the ads to the Escapist will be less willing to be paying as much if half as many people are seeing them.

This seems to be adverse to the premium plan.

So, the lost revenue will need to be made up somehow.

Which will likely mean either more ads for those of us choosing not to join the premium group. Or more content for the premium members, to try to draw more subscribers. At that point it could begin to look like a pay site.

That's not how ad sale deliveries work unless it's a total site buyout. A backend system tracks which ads are delivered for each page viewed and records how many times that ad has been shown. Since the sale was for how many impressions/views/kittens/whatever, it stops showing that ad once it reaches the number that was contracted for.

The loss of potential inventory due to a subscription service is replaced by the revenue from the subscription itself.

TylerBaumbarger:
Here's another quick thought.

All those who do join will no longer see the ads. Advertisers on the Escapist will be less willing to be paying as much if half as many people are seeing them.

This seems to be adverse to the premium plan.

So, the lost revenue will need to be made up somehow.

Which will likely mean either more ads for those of us choosing not to join the premium group. Or more content for the premium members, to try to draw more subscribers. At that point it could begin to look like a pay site.

Maybe I'm just too charitable with my trust, but I figure the people who run the Escapist thought of this and decided it was worth it. They have better figures on such things than we do. Online communities are a great thing, but the sense of entitlement among members can run amuck and start to seem very foolish.

These guys have run the site thus far, I'm not going to presume I know better.

EDIT: And above, an example of these guys knowing what they're talking about, as expected.

Though I don't enjoy enough content here to see subscription as a wise investment, I have to congratulate the staff of The Escapist for making this move. Offering viewers and readers the option to remove ads etc. is an experiment in the right direction. We live in interesting times where reliably generating revenue from online media is difficult, at best. Good luck on the experiment.

And allow me to say that LRR's fanbase is not "up in arms" on this subject. As with everything, there are those who oppose it, those who support it, and the (majority?) whose response is 'meh'. Personally, it won't affect me one iota, so I just hope it means more resources for LRR (and other valuable Escapist contributors) to continue to produce top-notch entertainment and commentary, and perhaps even push the bounds of what they've already done.

Shamus Young:

John Funk:
Wootness. Go team!

And as Kuliani et al have said, you will absolutely not lose anything by not subscribing, so don't worry about that :)

You guys are wussing out. I can't believe you're ignoring my suggesting to make non-subscribers view the site in 8pt Comic Sans. On a lime background.

More seriously, congrats.

Yeah Shamus I'm with you on that, they got no balls.

I will definitely go out and get one of those fancy card thingies send send you my money, you greedy greedy bastards.

I know this is all just a ruse to get kajillions of dollars so you can tear down the current Escapist HQ and then rebuild it out of solid platinum, and construct an army of solid gold robots to conquer the world and slowly choke the life out of it with your 90 karat solid white gold diamond encrusted gauntlets.

Vanguard1219:
You have to understand one of the main gripes coming from the Runners base right now; LRR offered their videos in high resolution video for a long time before the migration over to the Escapist ...

While that's fair, the difference is that LRR was doing all their video creation at their own expense and using free hosting services to put them on the internet. On the other hand, we pay our video creators and writers, including LRR. We have full-time content writers, editors, artists, and programmers working on the site, in addition to all the freelancers we publish. And the high quality videos are 3-5 times larger for us to serve, without the backing of a mega-corporation to paying for our bandwidth.

All of this costs money, but we think it's worth it, and we think it shows in all the original content we produce. For those people that think it's worth it too, this is an option to get all those things that the reality of being an ad-based business hasn't allowed us to do in the past.

I do see where you're coming from, and they have every right to be annoyed about it, but hopefully they can take some solace in the fact that LRR has more resources now.

Or, if someone knows a megacorp that wants to buy us and take care of all our expenses, have them contact Alex. ;)

I'd just like to say to The Escapist staff in this thread that not every member of our fanbase speaks for all members of our fanbase, and that our fanbase is certainly not "raging".

This sounds pretty interesting. HQ video is sweet!

Nimbus:
Suggestion: It would be nice to access the videos from the iPhone's Opera Mini browser. It kicks safari's ass in terms of speed, so it's all I'm going to be using anyway...

I'll see if I can convince one of our iPhone-using staff to get the Opera browser so we can see if we can make it work.

OMFG! You've given me so much free entertainment I'd be happy to join up (I still want the stuff though).

Oh and can you change your title multiple times or just a couple like your username?

GrahamS:
I'd just like to say to The Escapist staff in this thread that not every member of our fanbase speaks for all members of our fanbase, and that our fanbase is certainly not "raging".

This sounds pretty interesting. HQ video is sweet!

Cue conspiracy theorists saying that Graham has been coopted or brainwashed!

Seriously, I'm glad one of you guys came in to say something like this. I never presume that one random member can speak for a group as large and diverse as the LRR fanbase. I'm a member of that group and people whining certainly don't speak for me.

Hileict:
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Well, the way I figure it, that money also goes towards LRR, in a way. LRR are being paid for their work here, while when they worked only on the LRR website, they made money on merchandise, which they're still making money on. So while it is sad sacrifice to have to pay 10 bucks a year for high quality video, you might as well be assured that on this site, LRR are getting a good paycheck, and can put a lot of that money towards making their videos even better. It's just a way of rationalizing.

I've never been on Amazon.com before, why do I have to join that to subscribe for the premuim membership thing?

Kuliani:

TylerBaumbarger:
Here's another quick thought.

All those who do join will no longer see the ads. Those offering the ads to the Escapist will be less willing to be paying as much if half as many people are seeing them.

This seems to be adverse to the premium plan.

So, the lost revenue will need to be made up somehow.

Which will likely mean either more ads for those of us choosing not to join the premium group. Or more content for the premium members, to try to draw more subscribers. At that point it could begin to look like a pay site.

That's not how ad sale deliveries work unless it's a total site buyout. A backend system tracks which ads are delivered for each page viewed and records how many times that ad has been shown. Since the sale was for how many impressions/views/kittens/whatever, it stops showing that ad once it reaches the number that was contracted for.

The loss of potential inventory due to a subscription service is replaced by the revenue from the subscription itself.

Not quite similar to Project Wonderful's setup. Gotcha.

But there is still a greater potential to profit from ads. If you make even 3 cents per view on any of your ads, you are taking a loss through the subscription content. Plus, how many people are going for early adoption? Plus previous content providers. And you have multiple ads per page, plus background shifts.

I'm not so narcissistic that I think my opinion will make a difference, well I am but stick with me here, the potential for making money off of subscriptions based on how many people join has a much lower cap than the potential for making money off of ads. 5000 people joining through the whole $20 subscription will only bring in $100k a year, while those same 5000 viewing pages, watching preroll ads, clicking to find out more about a game would provide more revenue. The base price might be based off of a certain statistic you've figured out. But I've seen each ZP at least twice, I got my ex into Unforgotten Realms when it was on here, so I sometimes watch videos multiple times. Multiplying what would be assumed of a viewer. There are people here who live on the F5 key when new videos are coming out. So, your view count can be rather inflated, and with that view count dropping, ads not rolling, the revenue is lost.

A premium member viewing the same video 4 times will be making you less money than a regular member watching once.

This is largely speculative, because I don't know the exact pricing of ads on the site. How much it costs per view, click, etc. But if any page makes 3 cents, you are at a loss.

Demented Teddy:
I've never been on Amazon.com before, why do I have to join that to subscribe for the premuim membership thing?

I think it's mainly for safety measures and the like.

It doesn't take a long time at all to become a member.

I'm meh over this. IMO, it's asking too much in return for too little (though if people simply don't purchase it, then that would likely change). I can even get over the fact that it's charging for some things that used to be free (like LRR vids, but I was around for years before those were in HD, so it doesn't really bug me), since it's a site-wide thing, and to pick-and-choose which series get features for free and which you have to pay for would just be shooting yourself in the foot.

What gets me though, is that even if I wanted to purchase this, I am incapable of doing so. I lack a credit card (or the ability to obtain one, at least without paying out a few hundred dollars to get a secured or pre-paid one), which means I'm shit out of luck as far as I'm concerned. Get paypal support in there, then I'll see it as a fully neutral move. When you're making it harder or impossible for people who do want to support you to do so, then I see this as being firmly on the negative side, even if I personally don't care.

Question which must be answered: Will the premium features be affected if my account gets suspended/banned/deleted?

Yeah finally android support for video. My HTC has flash but the escapist has some funky video so it never worked.

Sounds exciting enough, I consider to use this function. But some of these "Great" features are obsolete if you use Firefox.

No advertising = Adblock Plus + Textblocker removes every kind of advertising in your videos / sites / etc.

Trackers = Ghostery allows me to block SIX trackers on this Escapist site. I am actually someone that isn't tracked or offers you valuable information how I use your website

Yet, I find myself connected to this website and might opt in, if you cover "The Netherlands" of course.

The LRR videos in HD is the annoying thing why cant they be hosted the same way they always where on someone else's bandwidth with an extra add for the host?
I don't care about that enough to properly rage about it I fully understand that people would and I don't blame them.

wonder if we will see any rage quits would be a shame also for add free stuff don't most people use add-block plus these days anyway?

Demented Teddy:
I've never been on Amazon.com before, why do I have to join that to subscribe for the premuim membership thing?

Because we don't want your credit card info, and Amazon is a trustworthy major retailer who happens to offer a nice third-party payment system. The other option was PayPal, but we don't like using them for various reasons.

TylerBaumbarger:

Kuliani:

TylerBaumbarger:
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Another snip

Similar to Project Wonderful's setup. Gotcha.

But there is still a greater potential to profit from ads. If you make even 3 cents per view on any of your ads, you are taking a loss through the subscription content. Plus, how many people are going for early adoption? Plus previous content providers. And you have multiple ads per page, plus background shifts.

I'm not so narcissistic that I think my opinion will make a difference, well I am but stick with me here, the potential for making money off of subscriptions based on how many people join has a much lower cap than the potential for making money off of ads. 5000 people joining through the whole $20 subscription will only bring in $100k a year, while those same 5000 viewing pages, watching preroll ads, clicking to find out more about a game would provide more revenue. The base price might be based off of a certain statistic you've figured out. But I've seen each ZP at least twice, I got my ex into Unforgotten Realms when it was on here, so I sometimes watch videos multiple times. Multiplying what would be assumed of a viewer. There are people here who live on the F5 key when new videos are coming out. So, your view count can be rather inflated, and with that view count dropping, ads not rolling, the revenue is lost.

A premium member viewing the same video 4 times will be making you less money than a regular member watching once.

This is largely speculative, because I don't know the exact pricing of ads on the site. How much it costs per view, click, etc. But if any page makes 3 cents, you are at a loss.

While your argument is mostly correct in theory, there is no site on the internet today, not even the IGNs of the world, that have a 100% fill rate all of the time. Meaning, 100% of the ad inventory is always sold. Though, I must admit, it'd sure be nice to have that "problem" here at The Escapist. Even if it does make my life rather hellish. :)

sneakypenguin:
Yeah finally android support for video. My HTC has flash but the escapist has some funky video so it never worked.

It's H.264 video. Unfortunately Adobe has never updated the mobile version of Flash to allow that codec - hopefully coming soon. But even once that gets fixed, the way we have it running now will be much nicer on mobile devices instead of using Flash.

I'm meh over this idea. Yes, the ads slow my dinosaur PC a lot but I think I'll pass up the offer since it's merely temporary for at least a year till you're done.

Question though if this changes my mind: Do you still retain the benefits IE: Custom Username Title or the badge for that matter?

Your lack of Interac payment options disturbs me.

Tharticus:
I'm meh over this idea. Yes, the ads slow my dinosaur PC a lot but I think I'll pass up the offer since it's merely temporary for at least a year till you're done.

Question though if this changes my mind: Do you still retain the benefits IE: Custom Username Title or the badge for that matter?

Man, this gets asked a lot. People really love badges and usertitles that much? Incomprehensible to me, but good that they were included I guess. If I were making a bundle I never would have thought that such tiny things would attract people. I'm glad I wasn't making the bundle.

Delusibeta:
Question which must be answered: Will the premium features be affected if my account gets suspended/banned/deleted?

Not unless you do something so terrible that we actually have to disable your account completely. That's very very rare though. Posting porn would do it, for example.

Publisher's Club members don't get any special reprieve from moderation though. All normal rules still apply.

Virgil:

Demented Teddy:
I've never been on Amazon.com before, why do I have to join that to subscribe for the premuim membership thing?

Because we don't want your credit card info, and Amazon is a trustworthy major retailer who happens to offer a nice third-party payment system. The other option was PayPal, but we don't like using them for various reasons.

Another question:
Are you allowed change your title more then once?

Myan:
While your argument is mostly correct in theory, there is no site on the internet today, not even the IGNs of the world, that have a 100% fill rate all of the time. Meaning, 100% of the ad inventory is always sold. Though, I must admit, it'd sure be nice to have that "problem" here at The Escapist. Even if it does make my life rather hellish. :)

I'm just saying, advertisers are less likely to work with sites with lower success rates and less ad views means less revenue from that source. If I wind up being right about the losses, I want Russ to buy me a puppy.

Tharticus:
Question though if this changes my mind: Do you still retain the benefits IE: Custom Username Title or the badge for that matter?

When the subscription ends the title goes away, but the badge stays.

Demented Teddy:
Are you allowed change your title more then once?

Yes. You are allowed to change your title as many times as you desire.

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