Stolen Pixels #194: After Curfew, Episode 8

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Stolen Pixels #194: After Curfew, Episode 8

Dr. Breen returns to offer his take on Fallout: New Vegas and Bobby Kotick.

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hilarious, I love this series (Stolen Pixels) and Dr. Breen, sad though that his voice actor is dead

I'm torn about this one. Perhaps, I'm just missing Robert Culp still.

Yay! but...Metro's face...

:(

oh poor obsidian they try so hard... I'm hopping that Alpha Protocol will be a good game for them.

"The community with have the game running by in a playable state.."

Really, Shamus?

I quite enjoyed this After Curfew, although it felt a bit off. What with the voice actor of Breen having died and all.

Shamus Young:
When he eventually resigns in disgrace I'll have to send him a personal thank-you for making my job as a satirist so much easier.

Yeah, the guy CEOing the company with ginormous profits (read: doing his job extremely well) is going to resign in disgrace anytime soon.

Sure, he's a dick. But he's a successful dick.

Troll m0ar Shamus Young.

Though I guess I can understand that any fan of fallout 3 would be worried that Obsidian will ruin their experience with additions such as as above grade school level dialogue (one of the modifications they do in the engine is that they allow for more than 60 character sentences lol), motivations beyond "lol were evil orcs", actual consequences for your actions (e. g. not being able to make up for killing 20 people by giving water to beggars) and - gasp - the ability to actually botch a character build.

JEBWrench:

Shamus Young:
When he eventually resigns in disgrace I'll have to send him a personal thank-you for making my job as a satirist so much easier.

Yeah, the guy CEOing the company with ginormous profits (read: doing his job extremely well) is going to resign in disgrace anytime soon.

Sure, he's a dick. But he's a successful dick.

He lost the entire team behind the biggest game in history. He's a magnet for negative press and bad PR. I doubt his head will be on the chopping block anytime soon, but he has his share of screwups and I'm sure there are a lot of people that could do his job better. (Like, anyone capable of doing the same job but keeping their mouth shut.)

H0ncho:
Troll m0ar Shamus Young.

Though I guess I can understand that any fan of fallout 3 would be worried that Obsidian will ruin their experience with additions such as as above grade school level dialogue (one of the modifications they do in the engine is that they allow for more than 60 character sentences lol), motivations beyond "lol were evil orcs", actual consequences for your actions (e. g. not being able to make up for killing 20 people by giving water to beggars) and - gasp - the ability to actually botch a character build.

Gee, it's almost like you didn't read his points ;)

I see where he's coming from. When your track record is KOTOR 2 and NWN 2, that doesn't bode well for a full experience from beginning to end.

Shamus Young:

He lost the entire team behind the biggest game in history. He's a magnet for negative press and bad PR. I doubt his head will be on the chopping block anytime soon, but he has his share of screwups and I'm sure there are a lot of people that could do his job better. (Like, anyone capable of doing the same job but keeping their mouth shut.)

Probably. When your products are so monstrously successful, I think at this point an orangutan in a sport coat could do it just as well. But I highly doubt that Mr. Kotick actually sees any problem, and I'm sure the shareholders see "Hey, look, more giant piles of money! Swimming party in the Money Bin!"

John Funk:

H0ncho:
Troll m0ar Shamus Young.

Though I guess I can understand that any fan of fallout 3 would be worried that Obsidian will ruin their experience with additions such as as above grade school level dialogue (one of the modifications they do in the engine is that they allow for more than 60 character sentences lol), motivations beyond "lol were evil orcs", actual consequences for your actions (e. g. not being able to make up for killing 20 people by giving water to beggars) and - gasp - the ability to actually botch a character build.

Gee, it's almost like you didn't read his points ;)

I see where he's coming from. When your track record is KOTOR 2 and NWN 2, that doesn't bode well for a full experience from beginning to end.

At least the game will have a good start and middle-ground!

And hey, Fallout 3 wasn't exactly the pinnacle of great endings. If New Vegas falls apart in the end, everyone can just say "Well, at the very least it was faithful to the last game in the series" and move on with their business.

Hubilub:

And hey, Fallout 3 wasn't exactly the pinnacle of great endings. If New Vegas falls apart in the end, everyone can just say "Well, at the very least it was faithful to the last game in the series" and move on with their business.

With Fallout 3's ending in mind, Obsidian is probably best suited to creating it!

"Rather than kicking the player in the balls, let's just end it.... NOW!"

JEBWrench:

Hubilub:

And hey, Fallout 3 wasn't exactly the pinnacle of great endings. If New Vegas falls apart in the end, everyone can just say "Well, at the very least it was faithful to the last game in the series" and move on with their business.

With Fallout 3's ending in mind, Obsidian is probably best suited to creating it!

"Rather than kicking the player in the balls, let's just end it.... NOW!"

It's actually a bit scary when you think about how much of a coincidence it is.

If a conspiracy theorist started talking about how Bethesda hired Obsidian only because they wanted to continue the trend of having DLC fix the broken ending, I would totally believe it.

The Administrator! Can't wait to see Breen interview her.

Is SAXTON HALE going to be on After Curfew any time soon?

BlueInkAlchemist:
The Administrator! Can't wait to see Breen interview her.

Is SAXTON HALE going to be on After Curfew any time soon?

Are you crazy?! SAXTON HALE!! on After Curfew would break the space-awesome continuum!

Exactly why I'm scared for New Vegas. If its as modifiable as Fallout 3 was, than I have no doubt that the modding community will fix the game up. But you really shouldn't have to rely on the community to fix your shortcomings. Especially when fixing those shortcomings is your damn job.

Great comic, and i say that as a obsidian/black ilse fan (:
stolen pixels is my favorite thing on the escapist, some aren't as good but the great ones are great indeed.

Nice to see Breen back after his absense!

Hehe, and great opening!

Shamus Young:
What a guy.

Between Kotick and Ubisoft, being a satirist is becoming one of the easiest professions on earth.

Comedian: Here's a joke for you.
Comedian: Ubisoft!
Crowd: *laughter*
Comedian: And you know what else...?
Comedian: Bobby Kotick WITH Ubisoft!
Crowd: *hysteric laughter*

...ya know.

On the actual topic, yes, I'm burying my enthusiasm under several planets worth of salt.

I feel these breen sketches seem to me to be more like reading a hundred word article by shamus rather then the usual humourous comic.
I'd rather see these woven into your column and have a decent comic, even if I am aware of the time restraints (and the fact that other people seem to like them).

Glad to see the return of Dr. Breen. He had been missed.

hahahahahahahahahahaha! That was hilarious!
Friends don't let evil sociopathic friends run game companies.

As for Obsidian, yeah I was sceptical of New Vegas as soon as I heard they were working on it.

Kotor 2 was so disappointing when Peragus was just about the best "Intro" level of any game ever made. Despite the horribly botched ending, and the quests/combat getting repetitive by the end Kotor 2 was still a great game.

One of the bigger letdowns was the lack of a groovy mystical origin for Darth Nihilus. He should have been the Exile's lost Force connection in physical form. That would explain the insatiable hunger for life energy or else he would dissipate like all force connections do after death.

However I have faith in Chris Avellone, almost all the games he has been involved with are ambitious and tend to have depth to the gameplay. And to borrow from Yahtzee it is better to fail for being too ambitious than fail for being too cautious.

Isn't making more After Curfews kind of in bad taste after the actor died?

Souplex:
Isn't making more After Curfews kind of in bad taste after the actor died?

Hell no, it isn't. It isn't making fun of the voice actor in any way, nor shaming his memory. I think it would be bad taste to let the death of a voice actor shade his comic strip. I'm sure the actor was a good man, after all, but HE ISN'T DR. BREEN. The doctor is a fictitious character. If the character was enjoyable, which Dr. Breen seems to be, then continue the tradition. Did the death of the artist's cat make him stop drawing Garfield comics?

Do not retire Dr. Breen, Shamus. You have a good thing going, and it is in no way in bad taste.

Souplex:
Isn't making more After Curfews kind of in bad taste after the actor died?

I suppose they never should have considered making the new Star Trek movie, considering that DeForest Kelley and James Doohan are dead, and it's in bad taste to recast their characters.

I guess Peter Jackson making the Lord of the Rings movies was in bad taste, because, you know, the author died.

And I guess they should have stopped making the Harry Potter movies when Richard Harris died (wait, that one actually sounds like a good idea...).

By that logic, Brandon Routh is in a lot of trouble for the whole "Superman Returns" thing. Of course, Christopher Reeve never should have played the part either, what with George Reeves having died in 1959, and even he wasn't the first to portray the Man of Steel.

Anyway, you could go on and on with characters and works that continued on after their originators have passed away. The point is that continuing to use a fictitious character after someone who once portrayed that character has passed on is in no way "bad taste." The very idea that it might be is ludicrous. If the character was being used in a way to denigrate or demean the deceased actor, then that would be a different matter entirely of course, but that's not what this is. I've been a longtime fan of Robert Culp, having enjoyed his work since my childhood. From my perspective at least, if anything, Shamus continuing After Curfew can be viewed as a sort of tribute to the late Mr. Culp.

The Great JT:

BlueInkAlchemist:
The Administrator! Can't wait to see Breen interview her.

Is SAXTON HALE going to be on After Curfew any time soon?

Are you crazy?! SAXTON HALE!! on After Curfew would break the space-awesome continuum!

Well, that's what they made the infinite canvas for: So Saxton Hale could triumphantly leap out of his helicopter and crash through the third wall. (The right wall of the panel, for those keeping track.)

Also, I did not know there was an Announcer model in Gmod. I knew they had Scout's mom, but not that bitter, smoke-preserved husk.

...

I'm going to be burned to death, aren't I?

I keep trying to think of ways Oblivion could make games without the bad endings, but it involves working on the endings before finishing the beginning and middle, which may be worse.

Or, they could push back the release date and finish the damn game.

I honestly didn't mind NWN 2's ending too badly. Biggest problem with it was: the ending art-stills sequence had no voice actor, it just sounded like a random nerd DM telling me some backstory. Hardly an epic ending to the quest. The Shadow King encounter played fine though, even if it was irritating that the majority of your party members suffer the stupid "rock falls, everyone dies" fate absolutely nonsensical for 20th level DnD casters. Well... that and the "mandatory" betrayal of at least one of your party members, regardless of your influence with them. Fine, come to think of it, there were a lot of little annoying things about the game ending. Still, it was nowhere near as disappointing as KotOR 2, which just leaves you with a huge WTF feeling.

Well, I'm not a fan of the Fallout world anyways, so I doubt I'll be playing it. I'll rely on you guys to tell me whether Obsidian improved for this one.

Keep in mind though that they made quality complete expansions for NWN 2. It's clearly possible for them to make a finished game, at least when the engine is already done.

Souplex:
Isn't making more After Curfews kind of in bad taste after the actor died?

Shamus left the character for a while after his death but now he is back. And why not? Dr Breen is nothing more than a polygon wityh a texture layered over it, and the voice actor simply supplied his voice. Would it be in bad taste if he guy who created the model and animations for Dr Breen died and everyone carried on abusing him in G mod?

Wasn't Fallout 2 virtually superior in every way to Fallout 1?

*goes to play them and find out*

Oh wait, they've both aged like shit. Fuck that plan.

Er...am I the only one who's wondering why Metro nearly did an excution style on Dr. Breen? I just don't get it...and that worries me.

H0ncho:
...and - gasp - the ability to actually botch a character build.

Honestly, how is this even remotely a good thing? Is it so bad to let people enjoy RPG's who maybe aren't so good at building up a character? Is it so bad to let people build the character they want to build, and not one of the several characters that will be successful?

H0ncho:
Troll m0ar Shamus Young.

Though I guess I can understand that any fan of fallout 3 would be worried that Obsidian will ruin their experience with additions such as as above grade school level dialogue (one of the modifications they do in the engine is that they allow for more than 60 character sentences lol), motivations beyond "lol were evil orcs", actual consequences for your actions (e. g. not being able to make up for killing 20 people by giving water to beggars) and - gasp - the ability to actually botch a character build.

Oh well looky at what we have here it another

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Shamus I'm glad I'm not the only one scared shitless that Obsidian is making this game(and Alpha Protocol). I'm looking forward to both but their track record is so bad I have no faith in them being able to do their job anymore.

Tolerant Fanboy:
Also, I did not know there was an Announcer model in Gmod. I knew they had Scout's mom, but not that bitter, smoke-preserved husk.

...

I'm going to be burned to death, aren't I?

For what? She is a bitter, smoke-preserved husk.

Onyx Oblivion:
Wasn't Fallout 2 virtually superior in every way to Fallout 1?

*goes to play them and find out*

Oh wait, they've both aged like shit. Fuck that plan.

Fallout 2 was whipped out in short order mostly because the biggest gripe with Fallout 1 was that it was just too short. There wasn't a whole lot of difference between the two other than the length, and the fact that the story in the second one just didn't quite feel as good.

Nevertheless, I am one of those people who loved all 3 games, and will be grabbing New Vegas pretty much as soon as it comes out on the PC. One of the joys of Fallout 3 was the ease of modding, and if they screw up New Vegas storyline that's ok... there's plenty of people willing to whip out the G.E.C.K and mod it for our own personal enjoyment :)

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