Review: Super Mario Galaxy 2

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Fantastic. I thoroughly enjoyed Super Mario Galaxy and I'm glad to hear this isn't too much different. I'm really surprised they pulled another concept out of the "what are the stars for" hat. I'm sure they'll run out eventually but today is not that day! It's cool that they've put in a motive to not use auto-pilot but I wouldn't have minded at all if they didn't. It's a single-player game, what do I care if other people cheat? I'll buy it for MY enjoyment, not anybody else's. Maybe when they introduce a global leader-board I'll start caring.

ThisNewGuy:

Brainst0rm:

ThisNewGuy:
Well, I never liked 3D mario since the camera and the platforming don't work well together, but I still gave SMG a try due to its high praise. And I was utterly disgusted and disappointed by that game due to the same poor control dressed up with interesting looking but ultimately the same level designs.

Hearing that this game is just more of the same still has me pretty skeptical. I guess I just gotta try it out at Bestbuy or something.

...what kind of games DO you enjoy? And you know you can change camera modes (and have been able to in every 3D mario game, ever). You're not impressing anyone by not jumping on the bandwagon here.

Sounds like someone's mad that I don't like a Mario game. I kind of expected this, but not from this forum actually. Um, how do I explain this, changing camera modes doesn't help solve the camera problems. In fact, the game is even more annoying to play when it's in first person view.

It's actually very interesting that you think that there's actually an anti-SMG bandwagon to jump into. The way I see it, your opinion is that people have to either love this game, or they're just wrong.

Edit: Oh, and what kind of games I enjoy. I enjoy 2D mario games, Contra, Pong, Tetris, NMH, MGS, Uncharted 2, GT series, Mario Kart, etc. I know it's shocking that I can not like SMG and still like playing other games.

I think your problem is, that you generally don't like 3D Plattformers, which is ok, but the problem here is, that you try to justify your opinion by blaming a good game for being bad though it's not really true, because the game is good regardless of your personal opinion. The elements do play well together to give a player a good 3D plattforming experience, it's just not your cup of tea probably due to your general problems with 3D Plattforming as such. It would be much easier just to write that YOU don't like this game, because YOU have problems with it, that prevent YOU from enjoying it. The sole try to to disguise your personal opinion as a fact may have provoked "Brainst0rm" to his unfriendly sounding question.

Susan, have you player Bowser's Inside Story? Kuribo's shoe makes an appearance in that game. Mario get kidnapped by one and Luigi gets trapped in an unconscious shoe.

From the second I saw those things I started wishing "please let me in that shoe, please let me in that shoe/".

Great review. I'm kinda sad I no longer have a Wii, because I really want to play this game.

[Cold-Shoulder]:
Good review as always.
This game might finally give me a reason to dust off the Wii and take it out for another go. :D
Will there be any chance that the next review on the Escapist will be Red Dead Redemption?

About a 100% chance, yep. :)

Oh, and the banktoad changes his appearance depending on how many star bits you've deposited. At 1000, he switches to glasses, at 2000, he switches to a spear and shield. So he's not always being...friendly...with a star bit.

droppingpenny:

ThisNewGuy:
Well, I never liked 3D mario since the camera and the platforming don't work well together, but I still gave SMG a try due to its high praise. And I was utterly disgusted and disappointed by that game due to the same poor control dressed up with interesting looking but ultimately the same level designs.

Hearing that this game is just more of the same still has me pretty skeptical. I guess I just gotta try it out at Bestbuy or something.

I think your problem is, that you generally don't like 3D Plattformers, which is ok, but the problem here is, that you try to justify your opinion by blaming a good game for being bad though it's not really true, because the game is good regardless of your personal opinion. The elements do play well together to give a player a good 3D plattforming experience, it's just not your cup of tea probably due to your general problems with 3D Plattforming as such. It would be much easier just to write that YOU don't like this game, because YOU have problems with it, that prevent YOU from enjoying it. The sole try to to disguise your personal opinion as a fact may have provoked "Brainst0rm" to his unfriendly sounding question.

I thought that's what I said. If it isn't, that's what I meant. I don't like SMG because I don't like 3D Mario platforming because I don't like the way the camera works with its platforming. I felt that the level designs are generally the same that looks different.

And I do like 3D platforming. Ratchet and Clank and the Jak series are some of my favorite games of all time, but jumping in the Z axis in those games somehow feels much more natural to me than for 3D mario games.

By the way, "your opinion by blaming a good game for being bad though it's not really true, because the game is good regardless of your personal opinion" is an oxymoron. Isn't "good" an opinion? A good thing for one person could be bad for another person, can't it?

there were..... too many...... jokes....
the face ship bit was funnily awkward and then luigi made me cry. and then the bank toad made me cry blood. =(

I am sorry, i love your reviews honestly, but there was too much emphasis it being a "fun" review for my tastes.

and now my carpet is stained.... crap, how am going to get all that blood out?

John Funk:

SuperMse:
I bet John Funk is upset that he didn't get to do this review.

You have no idea :(

I used the puppy dog eyes, but they had no effect on Susan.

Try an actual puppy next time, if that doesn't work I don't what will.

It looks as though the ninja is gone.
But on topic, I'm so glad this game is coming out next week. Finally, another decent Nintendo game. Coming soon, Metroid: Other M.

ThisNewGuy:

By the way, "your opinion by blaming a good game for being bad though it's not really true, because the game is good regardless of your personal opinion" is an oxymoron. Isn't "good" an opinion? A good thing for one person could be bad for another person, can't it?

Not in my opinion, no. A thing's value remains relatively constant no matter what the individual thinks. Take, oh, I dunno, something like fast food. As food goes, it's utter garbage, but you might still really enjoy it. Or you may look at a plate of the finest fois gras in the world and say "Thanks, I'll pass." Doesn't change the fact that the fast food is crap and the foie gras is haute cuisine.

That said, you're not exactly breaking some cosmic law by not liking something good - or enjoying something bad. You don't care for the 3D Mario games? Perfectly fair. I couldn't stand SM64, personally, because the camera drove me batty, so I definitely see where you're coming from. The game isn't bad, it's just not something you enjoy - which is a perfectly valid and reasonable thing.

I really don't get how some of the people here can still write bad things about the game.

It appears to be the epitome (difficult word this) of FUN!!!

I appreciate the whole fanboyism - console war thingy, but there must be a thing called common sense.

This game is fun on a molecular level!!! How can you NOT enjoy it? Are you sure you are human?

On another note, it seems Nintendo is going the opposite way from everyone else, again. We get another great "gamers game", while Sony and MS are trying to focus on the casuals.

There you go.

Susan Arendt:

Oh, and the banktoad changes his appearance depending on how many star bits you've deposited. At 1000, he switches to glasses, at 2000, he switches to a spear and shield. So he's not always being...friendly...with a star bit.

Does he whisper "Pay me to make it stop..."?
Because I would. That would be terrifying...

Nice review anyway, looking forward to getting this immediately. I'm splitting this with my 12 year old sister. And my girlfriend is really looking forward to it too. Everyone I know loved Galaxy so this is good news!

I'm tired of these MUTHAFUKIN Banktoads, humping my MUTHAFUKIN starbits!

Susan is good at making me want a game that is so topsy turvy spinny winny wibbly wobbly that it would likely give me a headache a try.

I need to borrow this game. :)

definitely gonna buy this on sunday, it will make an excellent Victoria day holiday! hope it is longer and harder than the first one though. hehe, longer and harder.

ThisNewGuy:
Well, I never liked 3D mario since the camera and the platforming don't work well together, but I still gave SMG a try due to its high praise. And I was utterly disgusted and disappointed by that game due to the same poor control dressed up with interesting looking but ultimately the same level designs.

Hearing that this game is just more of the same still has me pretty skeptical. I guess I just gotta try it out at Bestbuy or something.

Hmm I'd say that if you did not like the first one all of the reviews have been pointing out that this is incredibly similar, and I doubt they have changed the things that you do not like (Camera Views and such), So I would probably recommend renting it if even.

Back on to the game, I have not played SMG1 but all I have been hearing are rave reviews, and being an avid fan of SM64 and SMS this is starting to get me interested in them. It may indeed be time for a blockbuster run :)

And the Europeans get to wait another three weeks for this little gem. God damn it.

ThisNewGuy:

By the way, "your opinion by blaming a good game for being bad though it's not really true, because the game is good regardless of your personal opinion" is an oxymoron. Isn't "good" an opinion? A good thing for one person could be bad for another person, can't it?

I thought that's what I said. If it isn't, that's what I meant. I don't like SMG because I don't like 3D Mario platforming because I don't like the way the camera works with its platforming. I felt that the level designs are generally the same that looks different.

And I do like 3D platforming. Ratchet and Clank and the Jak series are some of my favorite games of all time, but jumping in the Z axis in those games somehow feels much more natural to me than for 3D mario games.

You certainly meant that, but what you said, was more of a "This game has bad controlls and camera, that's why I don't like it" instead of "I don't like the controlls and the camera in this game, that's why I don't like it".

ThisNewGuy:

By the way, "your opinion by blaming a good game for being bad though it's not really true, because the game is good regardless of your personal opinion" is an oxymoron. Isn't "good" an opinion? A good thing for one person could be bad for another person, can't it?

It would only be an oxymoron if there were no objective criteria for a good 3D Plattformer, but there are objective criteria for a good 3D Plattformer, because of that it is possible, that a good 3D Plattformer can still not be liked by someone, because he or she doesn't like certain aspects of the game and not because of the bad quality of the said game. However, if you like a game or not depends 100% on your personal taste, since the objective criteria for liking or not liking something do not exist.

Urg... To be honest, I didn't really like 1, so I'm not sure I'll by this either.

I've gone on a kind of 'Mario Boycott' with my games.

Susan Arendt:

Not in my opinion, no. A thing's value remains relatively constant no matter what the individual thinks. Take, oh, I dunno, something like fast food. As food goes, it's utter garbage, but you might still really enjoy it. Or you may look at a plate of the finest fois gras in the world and say "Thanks, I'll pass." Doesn't change the fact that the fast food is crap and the foie gras is haute cuisine.

I'll go ahead and throw my argument out here and say, no, good and bad are not constants. Lets work with the example you have given. You say that fast food is bad and haute cuisine is good. But what is this based on, how can this be proven as fact?

Honestly it boggles my mind that you think good and bad are facts, and that people who disagree are wrong. How do you quantify this or explain it? How would someone discern this universal truth of what is "good" and what is "bad"?

Ok that came off as a bit ranty. Not trying to flame, but I very confused as to your logic.

Eric the Orange:

Susan Arendt:

Not in my opinion, no. A thing's value remains relatively constant no matter what the individual thinks. Take, oh, I dunno, something like fast food. As food goes, it's utter garbage, but you might still really enjoy it. Or you may look at a plate of the finest fois gras in the world and say "Thanks, I'll pass." Doesn't change the fact that the fast food is crap and the foie gras is haute cuisine.

I'll go ahead and throw my argument out here and say, no, good and bad are not constants. Lets work with the example you have given. You say that fast food is bad and haute cuisine is good. But what is this based on, how can this be proven as fact?

Honestly it boggles my mind that you think good and bad are facts, and that people who disagree are wrong. How do you quantify this or explain it? How would someone discern this universal truth of what is "good" and what is "bad"?

Ok that came off as a bit ranty. Not trying to flame, but I very confused as to your logic.

Good food will not be high in fat, sodium, or preservatives. It's an accepted fact that fast food is not good food. Doesn't mean it isn't yummy as hell, but it is not good food.

Susan Arendt:

Good food will not be high in fat, sodium, or preservatives. It's an accepted fact that fast food is not good food. Doesn't mean it isn't yummy as hell, but it is not good food.

Ok so "good" in the case of food your defining as healthy. But that alone can be argued. Some may define "good" food by taste, or price, or ease or making. It's still an opinion to choose that as what good is. Admittedly health is a more definable thing than say taste, but still.

And how dose this apply to video games, or movies, or art in general. How can they be quantified in such a way that there is a clear "winner". Price of the game, development time, those are the only two I can think of that are straight facts.

(using all those quotation marks for "emphasis" makes me feel like Dr.Evil)

I totally lol'd at the faceship and am thinking about playing it at my friends house.

Two things I want to know:

1. How many of the SM64 levels do they showcase? Is Whomp's Fortress the only one?

2. Do we get to see Rosalina again?

Eric the Orange:

Susan Arendt:

Good food will not be high in fat, sodium, or preservatives. It's an accepted fact that fast food is not good food. Doesn't mean it isn't yummy as hell, but it is not good food.

Ok so "good" in the case of food your defining as healthy. But that alone can be argued. Some may define "good" food by taste, or price, or ease or making. It's still an opinion to choose that as what good is. Admittedly health is a more definable thing than say taste, but still.

And how dose this apply to video games, or movies, or art in general. How can they be quantified in such a way that there is a clear "winner". Price of the game, development time, those are the only two I can think of that are straight facts.

(using all those quotation marks for "emphasis" makes me feel like Dr.Evil)

I was going by quality, not healthy, per se, though the two do go often go together. Obviously good and bad are sliding scales, and I'm not really looking for an argument about it. My point was simply that there's nothing wrong with not liking a good game, and that whether or not you like something is not a determination of whether the thing in question actually has value. The example I typically use is my own dislike of GTA. I don't like the games, does that mean they're not good? Of course it doesn't. Same thing applies here.

Susan Arendt:
snip

Alright, I'll back off. But I'm still confused.

Susan Arendt:

[Cold-Shoulder]:
Good review as always.
This game might finally give me a reason to dust off the Wii and take it out for another go. :D
Will there be any chance that the next review on the Escapist will be Red Dead Redemption?

About a 100% chance, yep. :)

Awesome! :D

Sylocat:
Two things I want to know:

1. How many of the SM64 levels do they showcase? Is Whomp's Fortress the only one?

2. Do we get to see Rosalina again?

I don't know about the SM64 levels, but I do know that Rosalina does not return, in name anyway. The Cosmic Witch (Super Guide) looks suspiciously like her though.

Looks pretty awesome. I'll defiantly have to find the funds to pick this up.
However, I must say this series needs some innovation, and by innovation, I mean Bowser needs to stop with the kidnapping Peach thing. He had a good scheme going in the first Super Mario Galaxy, what with the whole create his own Galaxy thing; but he had to make a pit stop to kidnap Peach fist. *facepalm*

:D Gooooooood. Though Susan's puns are both amazing and cringeworthy. Well done!

I'm super excited for this!

BehattedWanderer:
:D Gooooooood. Though Susan's puns are both amazing and cringeworthy. Well done!

My work here is done. *claps hands in a "that's that" motion*

droppingpenny:

You certainly meant that, but what you said, was more of a "This game has bad controlls and camera, that's why I don't like it" instead of "I don't like the controlls and the camera in this game, that's why I don't like it".

It would only be an oxymoron if there were no objective criteria for a good 3D Plattformer, but there are objective criteria for a good 3D Plattformer, because of that it is possible, that a good 3D Plattformer can still not be liked by someone, because he or she doesn't like certain aspects of the game and not because of the bad quality of the said game. However, if you like a game or not depends 100% on your personal taste, since the objective criteria for liking or not liking something do not exist.

First off, I believe that all reviews are based on opinions. And that means that it's an oxymoron to say that any negative opinion towards a game is pure opinion, but all positive opinions towards a game are pure facts.

If someone doesn't like some aspects of a game, it means that to that person, certain aspects of the game are bad in quality. If someone like some aspects of a game, it means that, to that person, the certain aspects of the game are good in quality.

Susan Arendt:

I was going by quality, not healthy, per se, though the two do go often go together. Obviously good and bad are sliding scales, and I'm not really looking for an argument about it. My point was simply that there's nothing wrong with not liking a good game, and that whether or not you like something is not a determination of whether the thing in question actually has value. The example I typically use is my own dislike of GTA. I don't like the games, does that mean they're not good? Of course it doesn't. Same thing applies here.

That means, to you, GTA is not a good game in your opinion; while to others, GTA is a good game in their opinions. Liking or not liking a game, whether or not it's "good," is a matter of opinions. To some people, Harry Potter is a good book, but to others, it's not. To some people, Star Wars prequels are good movies, but to others, it's not. I hope I'm making myself clear.

ThisNewGuy:

Brainst0rm:

ThisNewGuy:
Well, I never liked 3D mario since the camera and the platforming don't work well together, but I still gave SMG a try due to its high praise. And I was utterly disgusted and disappointed by that game due to the same poor control dressed up with interesting looking but ultimately the same level designs.

Hearing that this game is just more of the same still has me pretty skeptical. I guess I just gotta try it out at Bestbuy or something.

...what kind of games DO you enjoy? And you know you can change camera modes (and have been able to in every 3D mario game, ever). You're not impressing anyone by not jumping on the bandwagon here.

Sounds like someone's mad that I don't like a Mario game. I kind of expected this, but not from this forum actually. Um, how do I explain this, changing camera modes doesn't help solve the camera problems. In fact, the game is even more annoying to play when it's in first person view.

It's actually very interesting that you think that there's actually an anti-SMG bandwagon to jump into. The way I see it, your opinion is that people have to either love this game, or they're just wrong.

Edit: Oh, and what kind of games I enjoy. I enjoy 2D mario games, Contra, Pong, Tetris, NMH, MGS, Uncharted 2, GT series, Mario Kart, etc. I know it's shocking that I can not like SMG and still like playing other games.

The bandwagon I was referring to was the pro-SMG bandwagon, because you're the only person I've encountered who doesn't love SMG. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, and if you've decided that 'camera angles' are going to keep you from enjoying a fantastic game, I'm just going to have to get over it.

And, it is somewhat shocking that you can enjoy other games. There are flaws in everything. Whether or not they're deal-breaking flaws is pretty much up to the player.

ThisNewGuy:

Susan Arendt:

I was going by quality, not healthy, per se, though the two do go often go together. Obviously good and bad are sliding scales, and I'm not really looking for an argument about it. My point was simply that there's nothing wrong with not liking a good game, and that whether or not you like something is not a determination of whether the thing in question actually has value. The example I typically use is my own dislike of GTA. I don't like the games, does that mean they're not good? Of course it doesn't. Same thing applies here.

That means, to you, GTA is not a good game in your opinion; while to others, GTA is a good game in their opinions. Liking or not liking a game, whether or not it's "good," is a matter of opinions. To some people, Harry Potter is a good book, but to others, it's not. To some people, Star Wars prequels are good movies, but to others, it's not. I hope I'm making myself clear.

It's a slightly different way in thinking, but no, that's not what that means. I mean that GTA is a good game that I don't like. My not liking it does not affect the fact that it is good.

Naturally, understand your point of view, and think it's a perfectly valid one, it's just not one I happen to share.

ThisNewGuy:

droppingpenny:

You certainly meant that, but what you said, was more of a "This game has bad controlls and camera, that's why I don't like it" instead of "I don't like the controlls and the camera in this game, that's why I don't like it".

It would only be an oxymoron if there were no objective criteria for a good 3D Plattformer, but there are objective criteria for a good 3D Plattformer, because of that it is possible, that a good 3D Plattformer can still not be liked by someone, because he or she doesn't like certain aspects of the game and not because of the bad quality of the said game. However, if you like a game or not depends 100% on your personal taste, since the objective criteria for liking or not liking something do not exist.

First off, I believe that all reviews are based on opinions. And that means that it's an oxymoron to say that any negative opinion towards a game is pure opinion, but all positive opinions towards a game are pure facts.

If someone doesn't like some aspects of a game, it means that to that person, certain aspects of the game are bad in quality. If someone like some aspects of a game, it means that, to that person, the certain aspects of the game are good in quality.

Nope, that's not what I've said. I said, that there are objectively good games, and objectively bad games (also all the quality grades in between), but whenever a person likes a game or not depends solely on his/her opinion of that specific game. If a person likes a game it is based on an opinion as well as when a person doesn't like a game. Though many people confuse their own opinions with objective facts and because of that state their opinions as such facts. I personally don't think, you are one of those people, you just happen think differently than I am about this subject, and that's perfectly fine. I can see where you are coming from, since I used to think the same way about other topics. I just hope you understand my point of view as well, despite my poor English.

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