Escape to the Movies: Prince of Persia

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Funny thing, the 'whitewashing' in this movie actually makes a certain amount of sense. Geneologically speaking, the ancient Persians were actually indo-eurupean, and primarily caucasian.

Same thing with The Last Airbender, actually. The Water Tribe is really the only group with a legitimately non-white appearence- mostly it's just a matter of hairstyles.

The ending screen around the subtitles that spoilers the movie made me forget about going to see it. Thanks for keeping me off movies I won't like, MovieBob.

there were two ancient persian empires, the first pagan one was the biggest one and that was the picture of the map. there are no facts about how people in that empire looked. the 300 movie is based about that persian empire and thats why they look ridicouls.

the second persian empire who was not much smaller, and was in the medieval ages, after Persia turned muslim. there calture and there clothes became like that arabs (people from the arabic half Isle) who ones ruled Persia and converted them to Islam. The prince of persia movie might be based about that empire because that if you look at the characters they look like muslims from movies about crusades.

about the fact that the charactares don't have a persian accent i have two things to say.
one: ancient medieval persian and modern persian are so completly differnet that it would be completly pointless
two: if the charcters did have persian accents it wouldn't make the movie any more realistic (since tha characters would still be talking in English), it would just make it harder for people to understand what the charcters are saying since they all have accents.

last thing: I loved this movie when i watched it and i also loved the video games

That you for the spoiler warning. You have no idea how much those things mean to me personally.

The final episode of Lost hasn't been showed in here (Finland) yet.

I don't understand what's happened here. Am I in an alternate universe?

I saw the Prince of Persia film on Wednesday and I thought the film sucked. Not even because it's meant to be based on the game, just as a film I think it was terrible.

Beginning of the film was just Aladdin.

Middle of the film was Assassins Creed (They totally stole one of the scenes from Assassins Creed when you uncover more of the map)

And the ending was pointless.

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SPOILER

In a sense, according to the movie, all that happened was he became a Prince, stormed a Holy City and got married to the Princess. All the other stuff didn't "really" happen. It's not clever and it's been done a thousand times. They even state in the film that you could rewind time endlessly but it would destroy the world. But it was okay to rewind time for that certain period to put him back at the battle at the beginning?

I don't see how anyone can see this movie as being "good"...

Kruxxor:
I don't understand what's happened here. Am I in an alternate universe?

SPOILER

In a sense, according to the movie, all that happened was he became a Prince, stormed a Holy City and got married to the Princess. All the other stuff didn't "really" happen. It's not clever and it's been done a thousand times. They even state in the film that you could rewind time endlessly but it would destroy the world. But it was okay to rewind time for that certain period to put him back at the battle at the beginning?

I don't see how anyone can see this movie as being "good"...

SPOILER

it's not about what "really" happened or not, it's about seeing a movie. in the movie the stuff that didn't "really" happen were interesting (to my opinion), the characters were good enough and the effects were nice.

even though your right and most of the movie didn;t "really" happen, you did see it in the movie and so wether or not it happened has no point for it as a movie.

about the fact that rewinding time can destroy the world and that he rewinded it to the very begining without doing so, your completly right it's a huge fuck in the movie. but think about it this way, the bad guy wanted to rewind it many years back, while desmond rewinded a couple of days, so he didn't use that much sand.

i see this movie as good simply because i liked it, its my opinion that this movie is good, just like its your opinion that it isn't.

your right that there is a lot to hate if you look at it, but there is also a lot to like

Why does everyone forget that

SILENT HILL

was a videogame movie, and a damn good one at that.

well, I'm getting the feeling moviebob is a bit...jaded.
He's seeing stuff that isn't there: allegory to the Iraq mwd thing? maybe...or maybe they just thought it was a sweet plot element.
And the lack of minority actors? well, it'd look pretty strange if half the cast was white, and half the cast wasn't, but the story wanted you to think they were all of the same ethnicity.
Maybe jaded isn't the word? I remember his Book of Eli review, and he was wrong, the God thing didn't detract from the film.

dradiscontact:
No we won't.

Anyway, I thought the movie was great fun. It's the first movie that I'm actually proud to say to people that it was based on a video game.

This might seem far-fetched to some people, but they can always do this:


Seriously, they can do anything from spin-offs to alternate endings if they were being paid for it.

Baby Tea:

EnigmaHarper:
I honestly don't understand what everyone's deal is with "whitewashing." I think if you have an actor that is good in a role it shouldn't matter what color he is.

It's about authenticity.
Some (silly) people might claim is has something to do with racism, but really: It's about authenticity.
Ancient Persia would have been populated by Persians, so have a Persian Cast makes it more believable. You can't say Slumdog Millionaire would have been nearly as good is the cast was all Asian. Or that any movie portraying the Yakuza as African guys would be believable. The point of a movie is to tell a story, and you grip people into a story with atmosphere. The proper ethnicity really helps that atmosphere.

It's not a deal breaker, mind you (Not for the sane, or people who have any inkling of an imagination), but it really does help the immersion of the tale unfolding on the big screen in front of you.

its not just about authenticity for me it is also about effort, the fact that they took practically staple hollywood actors instead of going the extra mile, means something. the movie will give off a vibe that its just another movie on the hollywood mass production conveyor belt.

what i am trying to say basically is that why should i bother with a movie when the makers themselves didn't bother with it.

then again the "prince of persia" franchise isn't the most complex in regards to story in the gameing world, so i guess this kind of movie is nothing if not appropriate. so i am not so peeved about the "whitewashing" issue, i am still going to see it when it comes out on dvd since bob thinks its the first good "game" movie.

however if the source material had been from something other than a game, like an old myth or a book or even a game that was deeper, then i would have agreed that the "whitewashing" would be lazy and ignorant

I can only feel a slight joy that MovieBob feels indifferent about it being a 'good' videogame movie, and this is because it shows that people don't look at games in the way of them being for kids. Maybe i'm being too general here, but the fact that MovieBob describes briefly that the movie and the game are basically based on older movies (and are inevitably LIKE the movies) shows that he, along with quite possibly many other people, do not view them as a shallow and one-dimensional pastime like they might have 20 years ago. It shows that games are getting roughly the same respect as movies.

This is also shown in the way of the videogame movies. In the time where these movies were getting started, they all showed (Street Fighter, Super Mario Brothers, The Wizard if you count that) a more juvenile approach to creating it, and therefore, were stupid and embarrasing. Around Mid-point, they showed an ATTEMPT at appealing to a more adult audience (Resident Evil, Doom and Mortal Kombat ONE). To the most recent, which seem to embrace an adult audience and reflect that in themes and plot with films like Silent Hill, Tomb Raider... (yes, I liked that film) and quite possibly Prince of Persia.

I'll have to see for myself how "LOST" ended, but if it's anything like you described then I can't say I'm surprised. Nothing can ever live up to the hype of itself and so the ending would always be a little contrived because your expectations are raised (remember how "Doomsday Arcade" ended? I mean, it wasn't horrible but still, you get the picture).

On the original topic of "Prince Of Persia", I still think I'll give it a miss. Somehow it feels old, like it's been done 100 times before and this is just plowing the same furrow (which as you pointed out it kinda does).

Also, the best game-based-on-a-movie is the mythical "Oddworld" movie, which has been rumoured to "still be in production" since "Abe's Exodus", although if you want something more modern I think "Bioshock" would be pretty good, as long as it's directed by someone who "gets" the franchise and doesn't cut corners or mess around with the time line just to please the douchebags who don't.

Oh wow. No stupid pictures or text that pops up for a split second, no really blurry quality fuck ups- I think these are getting better moviebob. If only you can get into discussing the actual movie a bit more. Like the plot. Or the characters. Or how good the actors were. That sort of thing.

WHITE WASHING:
dear Bob,

you did not realize that Jews are a religion community NOT an ethnical group, like Ben Kingsley is half-Indian.
If you said itīs the "white guy" actually being half-Israli or -Iranian etc. would be accurate.

To be fair, the Lost ending was always going to suck compared to the Ashes to Ashes ending. Man, that was good.

Might see this, I would like to play SoT though.

The whole sixth season of Lost was pretty much disappointing, but that doesn't mean the series as a whole is bad, I can honestly say episodes such as "The Constant" or "Walkabout" are better than most Hollywood movies.

I loved the first Matrix and didn't quite like the sequels, but those extra two movies didn't ruin the first one for me, the writers should have ended the show with Jughead exploding, that's a ballsy ending :)

As for POP I didn't hate it and that Gemma Arterton girl sure looks nice.

I think Alexander Siddig would have made a good Prince.

But he isn't from the ME either, he is Sudanese.

MovieBob:
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Haven't seen it yet, but I'm sure it will have been a better experience if the "Prince" of Persia started out, as he did in the game, as a Prince. Arrogant, brash, milding irritating, loses it all and is thrust into a world he must come to terms with, while at the same time growing as a person to rescue his father and the girl he meets in the chaos.

Not force-feeding us a cookie-cutter protagonist in the form of a repurposed street urchin model that would have been better suited for Uwe Boll flick, but hey...that's Disney! I've seen Aladdin...I'll wait for video.

Top 2 movies on a game are Wing Commander (precursor to the new BSG style guide) and House of the Dead 2 (yes, it was terrible, but the kind you'll watch again, and Ed Quinn is kinda awesome).

k-ossuburb:
I'll have to see for myself how "LOST" ended, but if it's anything like you described then I can't say I'm surprised. Nothing can ever live up to the hype of itself and so the ending would always be a little contrived because your expectations are raised (remember how "Doomsday Arcade" ended? I mean, it wasn't horrible but still, you get the picture).

Actually, the ending is pretty much exactly like how Doomsday Arcade ended.

More likely to be those in Britain but not English to be offended. Scotland, Ireland (I am unsure which half, forgive me), Wales. It's a sort of petty nationalism we've all got going on.

Samoftherocks:

Top 2 movies on a game are Wing Commander (precursor to the new BSG style guide) and House of the Dead 2 (yes, it was terrible, but the kind you'll watch again, and Ed Quinn is kinda awesome).

I didn't see any House of the Dead movies, but Wing Commander? Seriously?

Jory:
I'm just posting here to say how pissed off I also was at the ending of Lost.

It was such a let down.

Also, you apologised for mixing up the flags, then used the phrase "British Accent" which is a rather touchy subject ;D

Yes. When in fact it is an English accent. As there is no such thing as a British Accent. as Britain is a collection on 4 sovereign states. It would be like me white-washing and saying Moviebob has an American Accent, when it is clear he has a Brooklyn accent.

Sorry, but as an Englishman, Wanna piss me off? Say I'm British, that'll do the job.

Grrrrrrr

kozmo:
the second persian empire who was not much smaller, and was in the medieval ages, after Persia turned muslim. there calture and there clothes became like that arabs (people from the arabic half Isle) who ones ruled Persia and converted them to Islam. The prince of persia movie might be based about that empire because that if you look at the characters they look like muslims from movies about crusades.

For what it's worth, I don't recall that the film ever specified what the state religion of the Persians was, other than at one point someone in the conquered city mentions "the gods" and the Prince responds "your gods, not mine." Then again, prior to the arab conquest of the region the dominant faith of persia was Zoroastrianism, wasn't it? (I could be wrong about that.)

This is probably more thought than went into the actual film or series, though. Most of what the West imagines the ancient Middle East to look like it based on "orientalist" paintings and highly-fictionalized travel accounts that mixed up Persian, Arab and Indian art, culture and mythology into a whole different thing that never precisely existed in the first place.

Subzerowings:

dradiscontact:
No we won't.

Anyway, I thought the movie was great fun. It's the first movie that I'm actually proud to say to people that it was based on a video game.

This might seem far-fetched to some people, but they can always do this:


Seriously, they can do anything from spin-offs to alternate endings if they were being paid for it.

I hope they wouldn't do alternate endings. For the record, I thought they ended it in just the right way. Spin-offs with all new characters though? I could see that happening if there was enough interest for it. Especially since:

What a lame excuse for a simple mistake you made.
You should teach those whiners a lesson and troll them even harder by doing it wrong on purpose.

TazTheTerrible:

Samoftherocks:

Top 2 movies on a game are Wing Commander (precursor to the new BSG style guide) and House of the Dead 2 (yes, it was terrible, but the kind you'll watch again, and Ed Quinn is kinda awesome).

I didn't see any House of the Dead movies, but Wing Commander? Seriously?

Compared to all other game movies, Wing Commander was more fun, wasn't up-it's-own-ass serious (like Hitman and Silent Hill), also didn't butcher the story that it was based on (like uper Mario Bros. and Prince of Persia), and wasn't a Uwe Boll movie (Postal, House of the Dead, etc.).

The Mortal Kombat movies are probably the only other ones that come close to capturing the essence of the game in it's purest form. I just liked Wing Commander better...

I just got back from seeing it an honestly I liked it. It wasn't much like the game beyond the dagger and sands of time, but it was enjoyable. Just a fun popcorn movie. Of course I didn't watch it to see a "movie based on a game". I saw it for "fun mindless romp", and it's what I got.

IanBrazen:
Why does everyone forget that

SILENT HILL

was a videogame movie, and a damn good one at that.

Silent Hill, imho, is the best video game movie to date. PoP wasn't good at all... In my eyes..

It's interesting that you mentioned M Night Shamalan, because his next movie The Last Airbender will also contain white actors instead of the Asian characters from the show (and the Japanese guy is Indian) like this movie didn't have any Persians.

Lol, I like the bit at the end sticking it to Lost. I'm seriously glad I never got into that series.

I saw this last night.... and to put this movie any where near Iron Man on a Transformers - Iron Man scale is nothing but BLASPHEMY!!!

This movie was god awful, 2 of the main characters (the princess and one of the brothers) had such awkward and outright terrible line delivery that it made me cringe...

"There's a deamon up there... covered in spikes..."
"I wish we could be together... forever..."

I almost vomited with rage.

This was... with out a doubt... the WORST movie I have seen all year. And I watched Troll 2.
THIS MOVIE IS WORSE THAN TROLL 2!

I am sad to say, that this is the first time I've ever disagreed with one of MovieBob's reviews.
Prince of Persia made me want to burn my brain to rid me of it's taint.

Pseudonym2:

xitel:
You know, in response to all the "whitewashing" complaints, I have to say... get over it. They picked the actors they thought would be best in the roles, race or ethnicity be damned. They could have gotten a middle eastern actor to play the prince, yeah, but that doesn't mean he'd have been necessarily as good an actor in the role. I actually applaud the fact that they didn't focus solely on their appearance and went with acting talent instead. I mean, look at Michael Cera. He keeps getting cast as an awkward teenager because he looks like one, but he's not a good actor in those roles. The casting director picked the actors that would best carry the story of the movie, and that's the important thing.

You don't think the fact that Hollywood can't or won't find any good middle eastern actors is very damning? I think it goes back to Hollywood's bullshit assumptions that minorities can identify with white people but white people can't identify with a minorities. That's why Barbershop is a "black movie" but any john Hughes movie isn't a "white movie."

Why are so many Hollywood movies criticizing the war in Iraq now? It might have done some good six or seven years ago.

I agree with you Pseudonym2 on all accounts. And add: I'm certain there are great middle eastern actors (specifically iranian) that possess at the very least equal acting talents to those chosen for the film.

Having said that, even though I would've enjoy seeing finally some middle-eastern people on middle-eastern adventures, I'm OK with Jake Gyllenhaal on the role, not only because I usually really like this guy's performances, but because he does look a lot like the non-middle-eastern-looking main character of the game itself (specially on the Two Thrones).

To Mr. Movie Bob:
Movie Bob once more an (almost) accurate and eloquent information giver (you know, except for the UK flag thing and that the middle east is not technically asia, but we forgive). Thanks for the advice and opinion. :-)

Baby Tea:

EnigmaHarper:
I honestly don't understand what everyone's deal is with "whitewashing." I think if you have an actor that is good in a role it shouldn't matter what color he is.

It's about authenticity.
Some (silly) people might claim is has something to do with racism, but really: It's about authenticity.
Ancient Persia would have been populated by Persians, so have a Persian Cast makes it more believable. You can't say Slumdog Millionaire would have been nearly as good is the cast was all Asian. Or that any movie portraying the Yakuza as African guys would be believable. The point of a movie is to tell a story, and you grip people into a story with atmosphere. The proper ethnicity really helps that atmosphere.

It's not a deal breaker, mind you (Not for the sane, or people who have any inkling of an imagination), but it really does help the immersion of the tale unfolding on the big screen in front of you.

Also maybe because of stuff like having the character,Qui Chang Cane, being portrayed by an awesome, but white actor

was suppose to be portrayed by this actor who wrote and created the character to begin with.

definitely watching it this upcoming week =)

altho my friend's going just cuz she thinks Jake is hot...figures

I just got back from it and I thought it was pretty good. There were some cheesy moments and awkward lines but I thought it was really enjoyable. Not the best move ever, but I liked it a lot.

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