The Escapist Presents: Starcraft 2 101: Tips & Tricks

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Never forget to make mules are Terran! I underestimated them at first , but they bring in tons of cash - I heard someone say they do the work of 6 normal SCVs , but I can't confirm that. They do bring in giant piles of cash though.
Also, upgrades. Don't forget those either - especially weapon upgrades are the ones I usually take.

A tactic I usually do with my mates in a 3v3/4v4 is that we 'starve' the opponent. We don't directly assault their base, but deny them any expos or any intelligence on the map. Eventually, they come out with a big ass army, we come out with a big ass army, fighting ensues, but after that, we got more cash then they do - the enemies might pull out another big attack, but if he has no expos he'll eventually run out of money.

Some other small tips:
-Use stimpack not only in fights, but also as a means of transport - having medivacs fly allong with a stimmed pack of rines and they'll get to where you want a lot faster.
-Never forget to focus fire.
-Know when to retreat. You can do more damage if you retreat your forces at the right moment than if you let everything die. For example, at one point in a 3v3, I dropped the opponnent's base with a marineball. Although they ripped through the buildings, the defense was there very shortly. Had I remained, the rines would've been slaughtered, but I loaded them back into my medivacs and sailed away. I lost a few, he lost a lot. So I 'won' that fight.
-Get those watchtowers. You won't regret.
-If you plan to use cloaked units, do not show them until you are ready. If you attack with 2 banshees, you'll do some damage, but eventually they'll die. If you then plan to come back with 10 banshees, you may find the whole opposing base filled with detectors.
-When your expo is getting attacked, you can load in some SCVs in your command center to protect them from harm.

Slycne:

Sir Bob:
4 workers on a gas is a nono as far as i'm concerned, 3 is the most effective.
As you can see in your movie, you always have 1 probe standing and waiting outside of the geyser.

Yes, but that one probe still gets in faster and you usually want to get as much Vespane as you can quickly for all your higher tech. I'll try to go find the math on it.

Edit:

There are certainly variables and situations that will make you want to adjust, but I felt those were solid numbers to offer to new players as a rule of thumb. I don't know about everyone else, but I found that starting out I was always resource starved.

I think the bonus from 4 would be far outweighed by the mineral gain from having an extra worker. I'm a bit of an esports fan and I can tell you that I've never seen anyone ever put 4 workers on gas. I've seen a lot of very good players, and I think that if there was any tangible benefit, at least someone would do it.

Thedutchjelle:

-If you plan to use cloaked units, do not show them until you are ready. If you attack with 2 banshees, you'll do some damage, but eventually they'll die. If you then plan to come back with 10 banshees, you may find the whole opposing base filled with detectors.

This times a hundred.

3* workers on vespene gas.

Unless your Command Center/Nexus/Hatchery is placed farther away than it should be, there is absolutely NO REASON AT ALL to have more than 3 workers. It's the same as in the original StarCraft. You will NOT mine gas any faster and you're just wasting a worker that could be mining minerals or at a different base.

Thedutchjelle:
Never forget to make mules are Terran! I underestimated them at first , but they bring in tons of cash - I heard someone say they do the work of 6 normal SCVs , but I can't confirm that. They do bring in giant piles of cash though.

Mules bring in 30 minerals per trip. On High-Yield minerals, they bring in 42 minerals per trip. SCVs bring in 5 and 7 respectively.

Also, Mules can be mining at the exact same time on the same mineral patch as a SCV.

Usually when a game drags on for a very long time, I already have 2-3 command centers with Orbital Command upgrades. So a tip from me: Once you are in a similar situation, build a command center at the high yield, and fill it with mules from all command centres. Once all those mules are done, evacuate and return when you have enough minerals to do the trick again. That way you can get a lot of extra minerals without having to worry about defending them.

Slycne, I wanna take you on in SC2. I bet my Zerg can beat you =P

I agree with most people here about having 4 SCVs in the gas. I have seen a lot of pro matches, and no one uses more than 3 workers in gas. You can, however, have more than 3 workers on each mineral patch. But theres very little to gain from it unless you plan to expand, in which case you'll have a lot more workers to bring over to your new expo when it finishes. (Of course, this is just my opinion..maybe The Escapist have found something that will revolutionize SC2? :P)

I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to link to other sites here, but if you're interested in more tips and tricks (and not to mention commentary and analysis of pro sc2 matches) then you should definitively check out Day9. He does a show called Day9Daily 5 days a week where he focuses on something new, some nice tactics, or just simple cool games. He also commentates for a lot of tournaments.

You'll learn a lot from him..plus the guy is very funny :)

You'll find his VODs here http://day9tv.blip.tv/

John Funk:

Lonan:
I won't be buying this game. After the World of Warcraft fiasco I wonder if Blizzard will find a way to make you pay for online gametime. It's just a better graphics version of Starcraft anyway, it's just for more money. It's heavily in favour of Blizzard's pockets, not you're enjoyment. Don't buy it.

Man, you're... pretty much wrong on all counts, tbh.

You're well within your rights to not buy the game - if you don't feel it's worth your money, don't buy it. But honestly, thus far? The beta is my favorite game so far this year. It's really, really fantastic. So yes, it is for our enjoyment :P

But what about it is better than Starcraft? From in game videos I've seen, just the graphics.

Ne1butme:

Lonan:
I won't be buying this game. After the World of Warcraft fiasco I wonder if Blizzard will find a way to make you pay for online gametime. It's just a better graphics version of Starcraft anyway, it's just for more money. It's heavily in favour of Blizzard's pockets, not you're enjoyment. Don't buy it.

What fiasco?

I wasted hours, days, weeks, and maybe even months playing that terrible, money sucking game. I even defended it. But I was wrong, a sucker to corporate before humanitarian considerations. I call it a fiasco.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:
I won't be buying this game. After the World of Warcraft fiasco I wonder if Blizzard will find a way to make you pay for online gametime. It's just a better graphics version of Starcraft anyway, it's just for more money. It's heavily in favour of Blizzard's pockets, not you're enjoyment. Don't buy it.

What fiasco?

I wasted hours, days, weeks, and maybe even months playing that terrible, money sucking game. I even defended it. But I was wrong, a sucker to corporate before humanitarian considerations. I call it a fiasco.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html

All mmo's are addictive time-wasters. Starcraft and other rts give lots of intense sessions of quality games that don't take up as much time. Not to mention you buy it once and its yours.

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:
I won't be buying this game. After the World of Warcraft fiasco I wonder if Blizzard will find a way to make you pay for online gametime. It's just a better graphics version of Starcraft anyway, it's just for more money. It's heavily in favour of Blizzard's pockets, not you're enjoyment. Don't buy it.

What fiasco?

I wasted hours, days, weeks, and maybe even months playing that terrible, money sucking game. I even defended it. But I was wrong, a sucker to corporate before humanitarian considerations. I call it a fiasco.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html

So what does that say about those of us who weren't stupid enough to fall for the evil corporation's nefarious enjoyment-giving mechanisms? If you get addicted, it's your own fault. Any addiction.

Also, nice trolling, well played. :)

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:
I won't be buying this game. After the World of Warcraft fiasco I wonder if Blizzard will find a way to make you pay for online gametime. It's just a better graphics version of Starcraft anyway, it's just for more money. It's heavily in favour of Blizzard's pockets, not you're enjoyment. Don't buy it.

What fiasco?

I wasted hours, days, weeks, and maybe even months playing that terrible, money sucking game. I even defended it. But I was wrong, a sucker to corporate before humanitarian considerations. I call it a fiasco.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html

So what does that say about those of us who weren't stupid enough to fall for the evil corporation's nefarious enjoyment-giving mechanisms? If you get addicted, it's your own fault. Any addiction.

Also, nice trolling, well played. :)

Congratulations on snide insinuations about "trolling;" something which is born on the internet, which is generally a waste of time. And I never said it wasn't my fault I got addicted. I thought I was playing a game, when in reality it was just a ploy to keep you giving them money.

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:
I won't be buying this game. After the World of Warcraft fiasco I wonder if Blizzard will find a way to make you pay for online gametime. It's just a better graphics version of Starcraft anyway, it's just for more money. It's heavily in favour of Blizzard's pockets, not you're enjoyment. Don't buy it.

What fiasco?

I wasted hours, days, weeks, and maybe even months playing that terrible, money sucking game. I even defended it. But I was wrong, a sucker to corporate before humanitarian considerations. I call it a fiasco.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html

So what does that say about those of us who weren't stupid enough to fall for the evil corporation's nefarious enjoyment-giving mechanisms? If you get addicted, it's your own fault. Any addiction.

Also, nice trolling, well played. :)

Congratulations on snide insinuations about "trolling;" something which is born on the internet, which is generally a waste of time. And I never said it wasn't my fault I got addicted. I thought I was playing a game, when in reality it was just a ploy to keep you giving them money.

Welcome to capitalism: Getting people to pay for stuff and if you're lucky, getting people to continue to pay for stuff. It's like candy companies and their ploy to get people to buy their confections by making them delicious. Or Book publishing companies that conspire to make good products so that suckers are parted from their money.

And the only reason i brought up trolling is because i felt that you had to be joking. No one is that dim. But i guess i was wrong.

Anyways, 4-gate or 3-gate/robo push? Which would work better?

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:
I won't be buying this game. After the World of Warcraft fiasco I wonder if Blizzard will find a way to make you pay for online gametime. It's just a better graphics version of Starcraft anyway, it's just for more money. It's heavily in favour of Blizzard's pockets, not you're enjoyment. Don't buy it.

What fiasco?

I wasted hours, days, weeks, and maybe even months playing that terrible, money sucking game. I even defended it. But I was wrong, a sucker to corporate before humanitarian considerations. I call it a fiasco.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html

So what does that say about those of us who weren't stupid enough to fall for the evil corporation's nefarious enjoyment-giving mechanisms? If you get addicted, it's your own fault. Any addiction.

Also, nice trolling, well played. :)

Congratulations on snide insinuations about "trolling;" something which is born on the internet, which is generally a waste of time. And I never said it wasn't my fault I got addicted. I thought I was playing a game, when in reality it was just a ploy to keep you giving them money.

Welcome to capitalism: Getting people to pay for stuff and if you're lucky, getting people to continue to pay for stuff. It's like candy companies and their ploy to get people to buy their confections by making them delicious. Or Book publishing companies that conspire to make good products so that suckers are parted from their money.

And the only reason i brought up trolling is because i felt that you had to be joking. No one is that dim. But i guess i was wrong.

Anyways, 4-gate or 3-gate/robo push? Which would work better?

I'm well aware of capitalism, but I didn't think I needed to put that in because I didn't think anyone would be dim enough to think I wasn't aware of what it is. Apparently I was. I don't think you're joking, I think you're an arrogant prick who is finding reasons to defend a company has spent the past half decade making money off of false pretenses of a sequel to one of it's good game's, Warcraft. It's nothing but a money printing grind-fest, and yet people continue to rave about their games when this is why they took our money without giving us anything in return in the first place. Blizzard is only in it for the money, and they're lazy. They're riding on the success of people who have probably now left the company. I'm disgusted with them, but by all means equate that to me not being aware of capitalism.

Just saying, that the 4 workers on gas IS wrong. I know it's been brought up, but oh well.

It's also, almost always, a really bad idea to have more then 1 hatchery in a base unless you have literally no expansions you can take, and just as bad to have more then 1 queen there. Unless you have perfect micro, which is effectively impossible, your queens will have enough energy to spawn larvae on 2-3 hatcheries at a time.

Scanner sweeps are of use, but only about half the time. If you use a scanner sweep instead of calling down a MULE, you lose more minerals then if you made a barracks and flew it over the base to scout them out.

Dark Templar:

Now I have to find out the New Dark Templar specs. I wonder if their damage is still sky high with upgrades?

If anything, they're even cooler, cause now they have combat animations to match their awesome stats, and some of them even use psionic scythes! (Cosmetic difference, I know, but it looks nice.)

More than one queen is actually a good idea, for several reasons:
1) Creep tumors
2) Air defense, seeing as how queens are the only unit that can attack air until hydras, good for killing off early banshees or void rays
3) Transfusion. Multiple queens can transfuse static defenses or even each other and keep themselves alive while under fire. A lone queen cannot transfuse herself.

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:
I won't be buying this game. After the World of Warcraft fiasco I wonder if Blizzard will find a way to make you pay for online gametime. It's just a better graphics version of Starcraft anyway, it's just for more money. It's heavily in favour of Blizzard's pockets, not you're enjoyment. Don't buy it.

What fiasco?

I wasted hours, days, weeks, and maybe even months playing that terrible, money sucking game. I even defended it. But I was wrong, a sucker to corporate before humanitarian considerations. I call it a fiasco.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html

So what does that say about those of us who weren't stupid enough to fall for the evil corporation's nefarious enjoyment-giving mechanisms? If you get addicted, it's your own fault. Any addiction.

Also, nice trolling, well played. :)

Congratulations on snide insinuations about "trolling;" something which is born on the internet, which is generally a waste of time. And I never said it wasn't my fault I got addicted. I thought I was playing a game, when in reality it was just a ploy to keep you giving them money.

Welcome to capitalism: Getting people to pay for stuff and if you're lucky, getting people to continue to pay for stuff. It's like candy companies and their ploy to get people to buy their confections by making them delicious. Or Book publishing companies that conspire to make good products so that suckers are parted from their money.

And the only reason i brought up trolling is because i felt that you had to be joking. No one is that dim. But i guess i was wrong.

Anyways, 4-gate or 3-gate/robo push? Which would work better?

I'm well aware of capitalism, but I didn't think I needed to put that in because I didn't think anyone would be dim enough to think I wasn't aware of what it is. Apparently I was. I don't think you're joking, I think you're an arrogant prick who is finding reasons to defend a company has spent the past half decade making money off of false pretenses of a sequel to one of it's good game's, Warcraft. It's nothing but a money printing grind-fest, and yet people continue to rave about their games when this is why they took our money without giving us anything in return in the first place. Blizzard is only in it for the money, and they're lazy. They're riding on the success of people who have probably now left the company. I'm disgusted with them, but by all means equate that to me not being aware of capitalism.

Wow, just Wow. There a lot crazy to dig through here. False pretenses? You didn't know that MMOs generally have a recurring charge? Or that they are designed not to have a definite end? This isn't a new concept. Been around since at least UO and probably earlier.

I might be an arrogant prick, but ask yourself this: What video game has ever given anything to anyone besides hours of entertainment? Just like your cable television, or your internet subscription, you are paying for access to content.

Maybe you just don't like MMOs. That's fine. I don't play them either. But calling it a fiasco because blizzard delivered exactly what its vast audience wanted says a lot about your state of mind. I think you're a very angry and frustrated person, and I'm sorry you wasted your time and money on an activity that provided you absolutely no enjoyment. Maybe you should take up knitting. After you've grinded several levels of yarn, you get a sweater. That's way better than a mount or virtual pet.

Nice tips, hope the new plyers get use of them.

The only thing I would advise against is doing the Terrand ramp block the way it is shown vs. Zerg. Building 2xSupplys with Barracks on your ramp is like saying come and kill me to a good player. Just 5-6 Banelings aimed at the barracks will destroy both of the supply depos, creating two huge gaps for teh zergling swarm to enter and more importaintly will make supply blocked so you'll not be able to make any units to hold off the attack.

Ne1butme:

Anyways, 4-gate or 3-gate/robo push? Which would work better?

Early game or late game?

As more of a rush strategy 3 gate actually works better than both options, because your miners can only get enough minerals from your main base to keep 3 gateways working 24/7. More gates and your miners can't keep up.

Late game you should ofc mix in a few robo units, and more gateways. In a long game I often end up proxy'ing (nice verb aye?) with up to 12 warpgates

Lonan:

I'm well aware of capitalism, but I didn't think I needed to put that in because I didn't think anyone would be dim enough to think I wasn't aware of what it is. Apparently I was. I don't think you're joking, I think you're an arrogant prick who is finding reasons to defend a company has spent the past half decade making money off of false pretenses of a sequel to one of it's good game's, Warcraft. It's nothing but a money printing grind-fest, and yet people continue to rave about their games when this is why they took our money without giving us anything in return in the first place. Blizzard is only in it for the money, and they're lazy. They're riding on the success of people who have probably now left the company. I'm disgusted with them, but by all means equate that to me not being aware of capitalism.

Can you be reported for the sheer stupidity of this post?

Blizzard never forced you to play this game, so why so much hate? I played it myself as well, but I can't see why you are so angry with it. YES it involved a lot of grinding, but the grinding was never necessary; I always avoided most of it, and yes, that means you don't get the shiny mount, but it also saves you from becoming a bitter person crying to get all those hours of his life back.

Furthermore OF COURSE blizzard is in it for the money, its the only reason the game was ever made. And the things you write after that are just nonsense and assumptions. BAD assumptions.

TL; DR: You are mad at blizzard for taking the money you willfully threw at them. And thats just sad.

Ne1butme:
Maybe you should take up knitting. After you've grinded several levels of yarn, you get a sweater. That's way better than a mount or virtual pet.

This sentence is so much win that I'm still considering naming my firstborn after you ^^

I was very fail at starcraft 1, mostly because I was very young and lacked tenacity to suck up losses.

I hope to be better at SCII :). Zerg funs incoming!

edit: Think II is going to be as stupidly micro heavy? I hope not, I've got atrocious micro :(

YouBecame:
I was very fail at starcraft 1, mostly because I was very young and lacked tenacity to suck up losses.

I hope to be better at SCII :). Zerg funs incoming!

edit: Think II is going to be as stupidly micro heavy? I hope not, I've got atrocious micro :(

Micro can win you a battle where a large force can't. A viking can kill a battlecruiser because its range is a bit longer. A stalker can kill a zealot without taking damage because its ranged and slightly faster.

Oh, and if you plan on playing zerg: Zergling AI is HORRIBLE, they tend to attack all the wrong targets without proper guidance

Sir Bob:

Lonan:

I'm well aware of capitalism, but I didn't think I needed to put that in because I didn't think anyone would be dim enough to think I wasn't aware of what it is. Apparently I was. I don't think you're joking, I think you're an arrogant prick who is finding reasons to defend a company has spent the past half decade making money off of false pretenses of a sequel to one of it's good game's, Warcraft. It's nothing but a money printing grind-fest, and yet people continue to rave about their games when this is why they took our money without giving us anything in return in the first place. Blizzard is only in it for the money, and they're lazy. They're riding on the success of people who have probably now left the company. I'm disgusted with them, but by all means equate that to me not being aware of capitalism.

Can you be reported for the sheer stupidity of this post?

Blizzard never forced you to play this game, so why so much hate? I played it myself as well, but I can't see why you are so angry with it. YES it involved a lot of grinding, but the grinding was never necessary; I always avoided most of it, and yes, that means you don't get the shiny mount, but it also saves you from becoming a bitter person crying to get all those hours of his life back.

Furthermore OF COURSE blizzard is in it for the money, its the only reason the game was ever made. And the things you write after that are just nonsense and assumptions. BAD assumptions.

TL; DR: You are mad at blizzard for taking the money you willfully threw at them. And thats just sad.

Ne1butme:
Maybe you should take up knitting. After you've grinded several levels of yarn, you get a sweater. That's way better than a mount or virtual pet.

This sentence is so much win that I'm still considering naming my firstborn after you ^^

The point is that I expected more from BLizzard, I thought it would be a fun MMO sequel like those BIOware is talking about, but it was just a time waster with no point as Bioware just said. It's a damn good thing Bioware beat Blizzard on this website because Blizzard doesn't care aobut you, they care aobut you're money and they are quite frankly lazy. Relic pumps out several games a decade with graphics and story equal to Starcraft 2, and I thin just as fun. But Blizzard puts all their profits into making their games time sucking addiction fests and haven't made a good game since Warcract Good game to an end and Warcraft: Embarrasement began.

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:
I won't be buying this game. After the World of Warcraft fiasco I wonder if Blizzard will find a way to make you pay for online gametime. It's just a better graphics version of Starcraft anyway, it's just for more money. It's heavily in favour of Blizzard's pockets, not you're enjoyment. Don't buy it.

What fiasco?

I wasted hours, days, weeks, and maybe even months playing that terrible, money sucking game. I even defended it. But I was wrong, a sucker to corporate before humanitarian considerations. I call it a fiasco.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html

So what does that say about those of us who weren't stupid enough to fall for the evil corporation's nefarious enjoyment-giving mechanisms? If you get addicted, it's your own fault. Any addiction.

Also, nice trolling, well played. :)

Congratulations on snide insinuations about "trolling;" something which is born on the internet, which is generally a waste of time. And I never said it wasn't my fault I got addicted. I thought I was playing a game, when in reality it was just a ploy to keep you giving them money.

Welcome to capitalism: Getting people to pay for stuff and if you're lucky, getting people to continue to pay for stuff. It's like candy companies and their ploy to get people to buy their confections by making them delicious. Or Book publishing companies that conspire to make good products so that suckers are parted from their money.

And the only reason i brought up trolling is because i felt that you had to be joking. No one is that dim. But i guess i was wrong.

Anyways, 4-gate or 3-gate/robo push? Which would work better?

I'm well aware of capitalism, but I didn't think I needed to put that in because I didn't think anyone would be dim enough to think I wasn't aware of what it is. Apparently I was. I don't think you're joking, I think you're an arrogant prick who is finding reasons to defend a company has spent the past half decade making money off of false pretenses of a sequel to one of it's good game's, Warcraft. It's nothing but a money printing grind-fest, and yet people continue to rave about their games when this is why they took our money without giving us anything in return in the first place. Blizzard is only in it for the money, and they're lazy. They're riding on the success of people who have probably now left the company. I'm disgusted with them, but by all means equate that to me not being aware of capitalism.

Wow, just Wow. There a lot crazy to dig through here. False pretenses? You didn't know that MMOs generally have a recurring charge? Or that they are designed not to have a definite end? This isn't a new concept. Been around since at least UO and probably earlier.

I might be an arrogant prick, but ask yourself this: What video game has ever given anything to anyone besides hours of entertainment? Just like your cable television, or your internet subscription, you are paying for access to content.

Maybe you just don't like MMOs. That's fine. I don't play them either. But calling it a fiasco because blizzard delivered exactly what its vast audience wanted says a lot about your state of mind. I think you're a very angry and frustrated person, and I'm sorry you wasted your time and money on an activity that provided you absolutely no enjoyment. Maybe you should take up knitting. After you've grinded several levels of yarn, you get a sweater. That's way better than a mount or virtual pet.

Of course I knew MMO's have a recurring charge, I just thought it was to support the great game you're playing rather to support the Blizzard Massively High Pressure Money Tap Fund. And now that they almost drowned in their own hundreds, they want to make a sequel to one of the greatest RTS's ever. Why? To build a golden diving board for their pool of money. When Other game companies make games, they do it for the passion, the love of making a game everyone will enjoy, and yes to live well-off as well. When Blizzard makes a game, it's to be filthy rich. Yet everyone heaps praise on them as though they are actually one of the former, and it makes me angry and frusterated theat people are just lemmings jumping off a cliff into a pool of their own money, that they can't have. And I'm very aware that no one is forcing anyone to buy it, please don't bring that up again.

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:
I won't be buying this game. After the World of Warcraft fiasco I wonder if Blizzard will find a way to make you pay for online gametime. It's just a better graphics version of Starcraft anyway, it's just for more money. It's heavily in favour of Blizzard's pockets, not you're enjoyment. Don't buy it.

What fiasco?

I wasted hours, days, weeks, and maybe even months playing that terrible, money sucking game. I even defended it. But I was wrong, a sucker to corporate before humanitarian considerations. I call it a fiasco.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html

So what does that say about those of us who weren't stupid enough to fall for the evil corporation's nefarious enjoyment-giving mechanisms? If you get addicted, it's your own fault. Any addiction.

Also, nice trolling, well played. :)

Congratulations on snide insinuations about "trolling;" something which is born on the internet, which is generally a waste of time. And I never said it wasn't my fault I got addicted. I thought I was playing a game, when in reality it was just a ploy to keep you giving them money.

Welcome to capitalism: Getting people to pay for stuff and if you're lucky, getting people to continue to pay for stuff. It's like candy companies and their ploy to get people to buy their confections by making them delicious. Or Book publishing companies that conspire to make good products so that suckers are parted from their money.

And the only reason i brought up trolling is because i felt that you had to be joking. No one is that dim. But i guess i was wrong.

Anyways, 4-gate or 3-gate/robo push? Which would work better?

I'm well aware of capitalism, but I didn't think I needed to put that in because I didn't think anyone would be dim enough to think I wasn't aware of what it is. Apparently I was. I don't think you're joking, I think you're an arrogant prick who is finding reasons to defend a company has spent the past half decade making money off of false pretenses of a sequel to one of it's good game's, Warcraft. It's nothing but a money printing grind-fest, and yet people continue to rave about their games when this is why they took our money without giving us anything in return in the first place. Blizzard is only in it for the money, and they're lazy. They're riding on the success of people who have probably now left the company. I'm disgusted with them, but by all means equate that to me not being aware of capitalism.

Wow, just Wow. There a lot crazy to dig through here. False pretenses? You didn't know that MMOs generally have a recurring charge? Or that they are designed not to have a definite end? This isn't a new concept. Been around since at least UO and probably earlier.

I might be an arrogant prick, but ask yourself this: What video game has ever given anything to anyone besides hours of entertainment? Just like your cable television, or your internet subscription, you are paying for access to content.

Maybe you just don't like MMOs. That's fine. I don't play them either. But calling it a fiasco because blizzard delivered exactly what its vast audience wanted says a lot about your state of mind. I think you're a very angry and frustrated person, and I'm sorry you wasted your time and money on an activity that provided you absolutely no enjoyment. Maybe you should take up knitting. After you've grinded several levels of yarn, you get a sweater. That's way better than a mount or virtual pet.

Of course I knew MMO's have a recurring charge, I just thought it was to support the great game you're playing rather to support the Blizzard Massively High Pressure Money Tap Fund. And now that they almost drowned in their own hundreds, they want to make a sequel to one of the greatest RTS's ever. Why? To build a golden diving board for their pool of money. When Other game companies make games, they do it for the passion, the love of making a game everyone will enjoy, and yes to live well-off as well. When Blizzard makes a game, it's to be filthy rich. Yet everyone heaps praise on them as though they are actually one of the former, and it makes me angry and frusterated theat people are just lemmings jumping off a cliff into a pool of their own money, that they can't have. And I'm very aware that no one is forcing anyone to buy it, please don't bring that up again.

You're right. Since Blizzard was successful with WoW and made a ton of money, they should never ever make another game again. I agree with this so much that we should apply the 'Lonan Principle of Continued Success' to other fields. Apple should have stopped making computers after the IIe. Clearly the Macintosh and the IPOD are just naked cash grabs (or diving boards if you will). Steven Spielberg should have never directed another film after creating Jaws. He was already rich. He obviously only made Raiders, ET, Jurassic Park, Schindler's List, and Saving Private Ryan because he wanted more money.

Heck, even Bioware made a ton of money on KOTOR and Mass Effect. That should have satisfied them. But they had to go and make a continuation of one of the greatest RPGs ever and make it an MMO to boot. Applying the Lonan principle shows us that they are just treading on KOTOR's good name. Using it to sucker players into a vast money-making scheme. Because if Blizzard can't make another game without betraying their greedy mindset, why can Bioware?

Lonan:

The point is that I expected more from BLizzard, I thought it would be a fun MMO sequel like those BIOware is talking about, but it was just a time waster with no point as Bioware just said. It's a damn good thing Bioware beat Blizzard on this website because Blizzard doesn't care aobut you, they care aobut you're money and they are quite frankly lazy. Relic pumps out several games a decade with graphics and story equal to Starcraft 2, and I thin just as fun. But Blizzard puts all their profits into making their games time sucking addiction fests and haven't made a good game since Warcract Good game to an end and Warcraft: Embarrasement began.

Yes its a time waster, but EVERY game is designed to "waste time". Gaming gets you nowhere in life, you don't gain skills. If you want to spend your time so that you can do something with your developed talents later on pick up a few books, or learn how to make sounds out of an instrument. Don't expect anything but time wasted from a game.

The reason they take so long for their games is the fine-tuning of pvp. Blizzard could make a million more dungeons for WoW, or a million Starcraft games, but they all have to be GOOD and balanced.

Oh, and because WoW has only 11 million active subscribers it must of course suck, sorry to have doubted your logic.

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:
I won't be buying this game. After the World of Warcraft fiasco I wonder if Blizzard will find a way to make you pay for online gametime. It's just a better graphics version of Starcraft anyway, it's just for more money. It's heavily in favour of Blizzard's pockets, not you're enjoyment. Don't buy it.

What fiasco?

I wasted hours, days, weeks, and maybe even months playing that terrible, money sucking game. I even defended it. But I was wrong, a sucker to corporate before humanitarian considerations. I call it a fiasco.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html

So what does that say about those of us who weren't stupid enough to fall for the evil corporation's nefarious enjoyment-giving mechanisms? If you get addicted, it's your own fault. Any addiction.

Also, nice trolling, well played. :)

Congratulations on snide insinuations about "trolling;" something which is born on the internet, which is generally a waste of time. And I never said it wasn't my fault I got addicted. I thought I was playing a game, when in reality it was just a ploy to keep you giving them money.

Welcome to capitalism: Getting people to pay for stuff and if you're lucky, getting people to continue to pay for stuff. It's like candy companies and their ploy to get people to buy their confections by making them delicious. Or Book publishing companies that conspire to make good products so that suckers are parted from their money.

And the only reason i brought up trolling is because i felt that you had to be joking. No one is that dim. But i guess i was wrong.

Anyways, 4-gate or 3-gate/robo push? Which would work better?

I'm well aware of capitalism, but I didn't think I needed to put that in because I didn't think anyone would be dim enough to think I wasn't aware of what it is. Apparently I was. I don't think you're joking, I think you're an arrogant prick who is finding reasons to defend a company has spent the past half decade making money off of false pretenses of a sequel to one of it's good game's, Warcraft. It's nothing but a money printing grind-fest, and yet people continue to rave about their games when this is why they took our money without giving us anything in return in the first place. Blizzard is only in it for the money, and they're lazy. They're riding on the success of people who have probably now left the company. I'm disgusted with them, but by all means equate that to me not being aware of capitalism.

Wow, just Wow. There a lot crazy to dig through here. False pretenses? You didn't know that MMOs generally have a recurring charge? Or that they are designed not to have a definite end? This isn't a new concept. Been around since at least UO and probably earlier.

I might be an arrogant prick, but ask yourself this: What video game has ever given anything to anyone besides hours of entertainment? Just like your cable television, or your internet subscription, you are paying for access to content.

Maybe you just don't like MMOs. That's fine. I don't play them either. But calling it a fiasco because blizzard delivered exactly what its vast audience wanted says a lot about your state of mind. I think you're a very angry and frustrated person, and I'm sorry you wasted your time and money on an activity that provided you absolutely no enjoyment. Maybe you should take up knitting. After you've grinded several levels of yarn, you get a sweater. That's way better than a mount or virtual pet.

Of course I knew MMO's have a recurring charge, I just thought it was to support the great game you're playing rather to support the Blizzard Massively High Pressure Money Tap Fund. And now that they almost drowned in their own hundreds, they want to make a sequel to one of the greatest RTS's ever. Why? To build a golden diving board for their pool of money. When Other game companies make games, they do it for the passion, the love of making a game everyone will enjoy, and yes to live well-off as well. When Blizzard makes a game, it's to be filthy rich. Yet everyone heaps praise on them as though they are actually one of the former, and it makes me angry and frusterated theat people are just lemmings jumping off a cliff into a pool of their own money, that they can't have. And I'm very aware that no one is forcing anyone to buy it, please don't bring that up again.

You're right. Since Blizzard was successful with WoW and made a ton of money, they should never ever make another game again. I agree with this so much that we should apply the 'Lonan Principle of Continued Success' to other fields. Apple should have stopped making computers after the IIe. Clearly the Macintosh and the IPOD are just naked cash grabs (or diving boards if you will). Steven Spielberg should have never directed another film after creating Jaws. He was already rich. He obviously only made Raiders, ET, Jurassic Park, Schindler's List, and Saving Private Ryan because he wanted more money.

Heck, even Bioware made a ton of money on KOTOR and Mass Effect. That should have satisfied them. But they had to go and make a continuation of one of the greatest RPGs ever and make it an MMO to boot. Applying the Lonan principle shows us that they are just treading on KOTOR's good name. Using it to sucker players into a vast money-making scheme. Because if Blizzard can't make another game without betraying their greedy mindset, why can Bioware?

My issue is not their success, but the means to the end, I don't think the end justifies the means unconditionally. Being successful is never a bad thing, it's a great thing, and you should ride on the success of you're previous success to become even greater. But Blizzard's "success" was not in making a great game, but in hyping up a sequel to the great games that were Warcraft so they could convince you to give them you're money in exchange for a bad game, and take away you're life as well in compensation. And yet everyone is head over heels for their next game, which is incredibly lacking in innovation, and it's only merit is that Starcraft was good. Starcraft II is just a hyped up version of the DOW franchise, and I personally think is inferior to them. It's just the same thing with shiny new graphics but no one made this fuss for Chaos Rising, just for Starcraft because Blizzard knows how to get people addicted. They are the same thing, a sci-fi RTS with good graphics.

Sir Bob:

Lonan:

The point is that I expected more from BLizzard, I thought it would be a fun MMO sequel like those BIOware is talking about, but it was just a time waster with no point as Bioware just said. It's a damn good thing Bioware beat Blizzard on this website because Blizzard doesn't care aobut you, they care aobut you're money and they are quite frankly lazy. Relic pumps out several games a decade with graphics and story equal to Starcraft 2, and I thin just as fun. But Blizzard puts all their profits into making their games time sucking addiction fests and haven't made a good game since Warcract Good game to an end and Warcraft: Embarrasement began.

Yes its a time waster, but EVERY game is designed to "waste time". Gaming gets you nowhere in life, you don't gain skills. If you want to spend your time so that you can do something with your developed talents later on pick up a few books, or learn how to make sounds out of an instrument. Don't expect anything but time wasted from a game.

The reason they take so long for their games is the fine-tuning of pvp. Blizzard could make a million more dungeons for WoW, or a million Starcraft games, but they all have to be GOOD and balanced.

Oh, and because WoW has only 11 million active subscribers it must of course suck, sorry to have doubted your logic.

Billions of people on this earth are incredibly stupid, humans are just evolved chimpanzees, there is no basis for intellect in anyone. Saying that 11 million people makes the game better demands that there is a basis for that. You could say that fatty goods are good because 100 million Americans indulge in them to the point of obesity, but that is hardly a defense of fatty foods. You must be incredibly far to the right to consider fatty foods the masses consume to be superior to something made from the finest of restaurants in the world on the basis of number. Games do develop skills. Playing basketball is not a waste of time, nor is hockey, nor is badminton, nor it lacrosse or rugby. Saying that less physical games are a waste of time on the basis of nothing does not make that true in any way. You have little basis on which to comment on games if you consider them a waste of time. It would be like a femiminist bursting into a debate about farts. Bad example, but I have to go now so I'll leave you with this on hardcore gaming. It mirrors my beliefs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VAhzPcZ-s

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:
I won't be buying this game. After the World of Warcraft fiasco I wonder if Blizzard will find a way to make you pay for online gametime. It's just a better graphics version of Starcraft anyway, it's just for more money. It's heavily in favour of Blizzard's pockets, not you're enjoyment. Don't buy it.

What fiasco?

I wasted hours, days, weeks, and maybe even months playing that terrible, money sucking game. I even defended it. But I was wrong, a sucker to corporate before humanitarian considerations. I call it a fiasco.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html

So what does that say about those of us who weren't stupid enough to fall for the evil corporation's nefarious enjoyment-giving mechanisms? If you get addicted, it's your own fault. Any addiction.

Also, nice trolling, well played. :)

Congratulations on snide insinuations about "trolling;" something which is born on the internet, which is generally a waste of time. And I never said it wasn't my fault I got addicted. I thought I was playing a game, when in reality it was just a ploy to keep you giving them money.

Welcome to capitalism: Getting people to pay for stuff and if you're lucky, getting people to continue to pay for stuff. It's like candy companies and their ploy to get people to buy their confections by making them delicious. Or Book publishing companies that conspire to make good products so that suckers are parted from their money.

And the only reason i brought up trolling is because i felt that you had to be joking. No one is that dim. But i guess i was wrong.

Anyways, 4-gate or 3-gate/robo push? Which would work better?

I'm well aware of capitalism, but I didn't think I needed to put that in because I didn't think anyone would be dim enough to think I wasn't aware of what it is. Apparently I was. I don't think you're joking, I think you're an arrogant prick who is finding reasons to defend a company has spent the past half decade making money off of false pretenses of a sequel to one of it's good game's, Warcraft. It's nothing but a money printing grind-fest, and yet people continue to rave about their games when this is why they took our money without giving us anything in return in the first place. Blizzard is only in it for the money, and they're lazy. They're riding on the success of people who have probably now left the company. I'm disgusted with them, but by all means equate that to me not being aware of capitalism.

Wow, just Wow. There a lot crazy to dig through here. False pretenses? You didn't know that MMOs generally have a recurring charge? Or that they are designed not to have a definite end? This isn't a new concept. Been around since at least UO and probably earlier.

I might be an arrogant prick, but ask yourself this: What video game has ever given anything to anyone besides hours of entertainment? Just like your cable television, or your internet subscription, you are paying for access to content.

Maybe you just don't like MMOs. That's fine. I don't play them either. But calling it a fiasco because blizzard delivered exactly what its vast audience wanted says a lot about your state of mind. I think you're a very angry and frustrated person, and I'm sorry you wasted your time and money on an activity that provided you absolutely no enjoyment. Maybe you should take up knitting. After you've grinded several levels of yarn, you get a sweater. That's way better than a mount or virtual pet.

Of course I knew MMO's have a recurring charge, I just thought it was to support the great game you're playing rather to support the Blizzard Massively High Pressure Money Tap Fund. And now that they almost drowned in their own hundreds, they want to make a sequel to one of the greatest RTS's ever. Why? To build a golden diving board for their pool of money. When Other game companies make games, they do it for the passion, the love of making a game everyone will enjoy, and yes to live well-off as well. When Blizzard makes a game, it's to be filthy rich. Yet everyone heaps praise on them as though they are actually one of the former, and it makes me angry and frusterated theat people are just lemmings jumping off a cliff into a pool of their own money, that they can't have. And I'm very aware that no one is forcing anyone to buy it, please don't bring that up again.

You're right. Since Blizzard was successful with WoW and made a ton of money, they should never ever make another game again. I agree with this so much that we should apply the 'Lonan Principle of Continued Success' to other fields. Apple should have stopped making computers after the IIe. Clearly the Macintosh and the IPOD are just naked cash grabs (or diving boards if you will). Steven Spielberg should have never directed another film after creating Jaws. He was already rich. He obviously only made Raiders, ET, Jurassic Park, Schindler's List, and Saving Private Ryan because he wanted more money.

Heck, even Bioware made a ton of money on KOTOR and Mass Effect. That should have satisfied them. But they had to go and make a continuation of one of the greatest RPGs ever and make it an MMO to boot. Applying the Lonan principle shows us that they are just treading on KOTOR's good name. Using it to sucker players into a vast money-making scheme. Because if Blizzard can't make another game without betraying their greedy mindset, why can Bioware?

My issue is not their success, but the means to the end, I don't think the end justifies the means unconditionally. Being successful is never a bad thing, it's a great thing, and you should ride on the success of you're previous success to become even greater. But Blizzard's "success" was not in making a great game, but in hyping up a sequel to the great games that were Warcraft so they could convince you to give them you're money in exchange for a bad game, and take away you're life as well in compensation. And yet everyone is head over heels for their next game, which is incredibly lacking in innovation, and it's only merit is that Starcraft was good. Starcraft II is just a hyped up version of the DOW franchise, and I personally think is inferior to them. It's just the same thing with shiny new graphics but no one made this fuss for Chaos Rising, just for Starcraft because Blizzard knows how to get people addicted. They are the same thing, a sci-fi RTS with good graphics.

Ok, yeah, this guy is DEFINITELY a troll. No-one's actually this foolish. Let's stop feeding him now, shall we?

Wicky_42:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:

Ne1butme:

Lonan:
I won't be buying this game. After the World of Warcraft fiasco I wonder if Blizzard will find a way to make you pay for online gametime. It's just a better graphics version of Starcraft anyway, it's just for more money. It's heavily in favour of Blizzard's pockets, not you're enjoyment. Don't buy it.

What fiasco?

I wasted hours, days, weeks, and maybe even months playing that terrible, money sucking game. I even defended it. But I was wrong, a sucker to corporate before humanitarian considerations. I call it a fiasco.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html

So what does that say about those of us who weren't stupid enough to fall for the evil corporation's nefarious enjoyment-giving mechanisms? If you get addicted, it's your own fault. Any addiction.

Also, nice trolling, well played. :)

Congratulations on snide insinuations about "trolling;" something which is born on the internet, which is generally a waste of time. And I never said it wasn't my fault I got addicted. I thought I was playing a game, when in reality it was just a ploy to keep you giving them money.

Welcome to capitalism: Getting people to pay for stuff and if you're lucky, getting people to continue to pay for stuff. It's like candy companies and their ploy to get people to buy their confections by making them delicious. Or Book publishing companies that conspire to make good products so that suckers are parted from their money.

And the only reason i brought up trolling is because i felt that you had to be joking. No one is that dim. But i guess i was wrong.

Anyways, 4-gate or 3-gate/robo push? Which would work better?

I'm well aware of capitalism, but I didn't think I needed to put that in because I didn't think anyone would be dim enough to think I wasn't aware of what it is. Apparently I was. I don't think you're joking, I think you're an arrogant prick who is finding reasons to defend a company has spent the past half decade making money off of false pretenses of a sequel to one of it's good game's, Warcraft. It's nothing but a money printing grind-fest, and yet people continue to rave about their games when this is why they took our money without giving us anything in return in the first place. Blizzard is only in it for the money, and they're lazy. They're riding on the success of people who have probably now left the company. I'm disgusted with them, but by all means equate that to me not being aware of capitalism.

Wow, just Wow. There a lot crazy to dig through here. False pretenses? You didn't know that MMOs generally have a recurring charge? Or that they are designed not to have a definite end? This isn't a new concept. Been around since at least UO and probably earlier.

I might be an arrogant prick, but ask yourself this: What video game has ever given anything to anyone besides hours of entertainment? Just like your cable television, or your internet subscription, you are paying for access to content.

Maybe you just don't like MMOs. That's fine. I don't play them either. But calling it a fiasco because blizzard delivered exactly what its vast audience wanted says a lot about your state of mind. I think you're a very angry and frustrated person, and I'm sorry you wasted your time and money on an activity that provided you absolutely no enjoyment. Maybe you should take up knitting. After you've grinded several levels of yarn, you get a sweater. That's way better than a mount or virtual pet.

Of course I knew MMO's have a recurring charge, I just thought it was to support the great game you're playing rather to support the Blizzard Massively High Pressure Money Tap Fund. And now that they almost drowned in their own hundreds, they want to make a sequel to one of the greatest RTS's ever. Why? To build a golden diving board for their pool of money. When Other game companies make games, they do it for the passion, the love of making a game everyone will enjoy, and yes to live well-off as well. When Blizzard makes a game, it's to be filthy rich. Yet everyone heaps praise on them as though they are actually one of the former, and it makes me angry and frusterated theat people are just lemmings jumping off a cliff into a pool of their own money, that they can't have. And I'm very aware that no one is forcing anyone to buy it, please don't bring that up again.

You're right. Since Blizzard was successful with WoW and made a ton of money, they should never ever make another game again. I agree with this so much that we should apply the 'Lonan Principle of Continued Success' to other fields. Apple should have stopped making computers after the IIe. Clearly the Macintosh and the IPOD are just naked cash grabs (or diving boards if you will). Steven Spielberg should have never directed another film after creating Jaws. He was already rich. He obviously only made Raiders, ET, Jurassic Park, Schindler's List, and Saving Private Ryan because he wanted more money.

Heck, even Bioware made a ton of money on KOTOR and Mass Effect. That should have satisfied them. But they had to go and make a continuation of one of the greatest RPGs ever and make it an MMO to boot. Applying the Lonan principle shows us that they are just treading on KOTOR's good name. Using it to sucker players into a vast money-making scheme. Because if Blizzard can't make another game without betraying their greedy mindset, why can Bioware?

My issue is not their success, but the means to the end, I don't think the end justifies the means unconditionally. Being successful is never a bad thing, it's a great thing, and you should ride on the success of you're previous success to become even greater. But Blizzard's "success" was not in making a great game, but in hyping up a sequel to the great games that were Warcraft so they could convince you to give them you're money in exchange for a bad game, and take away you're life as well in compensation. And yet everyone is head over heels for their next game, which is incredibly lacking in innovation, and it's only merit is that Starcraft was good. Starcraft II is just a hyped up version of the DOW franchise, and I personally think is inferior to them. It's just the same thing with shiny new graphics but no one made this fuss for Chaos Rising, just for Starcraft because Blizzard knows how to get people addicted. They are the same thing, a sci-fi RTS with good graphics.

Ok, yeah, this guy is DEFINITELY a troll. No-one's actually this foolish. Let's stop feeding him now, shall we?

Haha yeah, just leave him in his little hate bubble and move on =]

Good stuff gents although I disagree with the 4 workers on a geyser.
Would love to see more 2v2s from you guys!

In the video, only one is mentioned, but each of the races has an economic micromanagement mechanic:

- Zerg Queen's Spawn larva ability
4 extra larvae with each injection, if you remember to use this ability constantly, you won't need a second hatchery in your base;
when you expand, always remember to add a Queen to that hatchery;
- Protoss Nexus chrono-boosting
use it on the Nexus to pump out many probes fast;
use it on tech buildings to research upgrades fast;
use it on production buildings to train units fast;
- Terran MULE
in every respect, just like an SCV (you can even use it to repair units/buildings), except that it brings 30 blue minerals instead of 5 at every trip;

I also disagree with using 4 workers on gas.
The alleged mine increase is not worth tying up two workers. If you find yourself starved for gas mid-game, then you need to expand earlier.

Nice video. I would like to point out though, like many others have, that putting 4 workers on gas is not beneficial at all compared to 3 workers. This has been throughly tested. See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121686 for more in-depth information on how gas mining works in SC2.

Quote from the article: "The rate gas collection from 3(1) and 4(1) are identical. 3 miners saturates 1 geyser completely for all intents and purposes. In Brood War the rate of gas collection of 4 vs 3 was approximately 4 more gas for every 200, so the difference between 3(1) and 4(1) has not significantly changed between Brood War and SC2."

Slycne:

Sir Bob:
4 workers on a gas is a nono as far as i'm concerned, 3 is the most effective.
As you can see in your movie, you always have 1 probe standing and waiting outside of the geyser.

Yes, but that one probe still gets in faster and you usually want to get as much Vespane as you can quickly for all your higher tech. I'll try to go find the math on it.

No probe will get in faster, 3 is what you need. just look at them, while one is inside gathering, there's a second one waiting and a third one delivering which gets back almost immediately after the second worker gets inside to harvest. Any more drones and you'll have more drones waiting outside because ONLY ONE can harvest gas at any given time.

And by the way, you give out tips and tricks when we can clearly see from the video that your resources get well over 2000 minerals and gas? Give me a break.

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