Yahtzee Wrote a Book

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Being a total lit-fag, it does jab me a little that it's not that well written, a bit "clunky" as others have said, but I like new concepts and ideas that explore new regions so I'll probably end up at least checking it out. Hell, I read the 'Twilight' stuff simply because I thought it was an interesting idea, Hollyoaks meets Vampires. It wasn't exactly a great book, but I liked the ideas and I appreciate someone trying to make something new. Even if some of the 'new ideas' books just come off as a kind of self-indulgence.

Spinozaad:
You got to admire the amount of Fan Fascism. When someone says it sucks they 'have to back it up' or 'do better themselves', yet you can safely go 'OMG IT'S AWESOME' without any kind of argumentation.

Funny.

Doesn't that happen all the time? If the majority of people like something, when somebody says they don't like it they get questioned.

OANST:

Venatio:

OANST:

In the future if I have nothing nice to say then I won't say anything at all.

Cute, little prick like you thinks he's something. Gone from the astute critic to the slinking away troll muffin? What, have I cramped your style or is it that you never had one to begin with?

No. I was just mocking you. Slow on the uptake, eh?

So...guess you were lying about that whole "I won't say anything at all" bit, eh?

Now I can't trust what you say about anything. :(

Magnalian:

Spinozaad:
You got to admire the amount of Fan Fascism. When someone says it sucks they 'have to back it up' or 'do better themselves', yet you can safely go 'OMG IT'S AWESOME' without any kind of argumentation.

Funny.

Doesn't that happen all the time? If the majority of people like something, when somebody says they don't like it they get questioned.

It does happen all the time. I don't think the problem is that the negative get questioned. Ideally everyone would be questioned, the positive equally. One says something is awesome, another should go "why?", just like the negative. Then we wouldn't be swimming in all this relativism, where everybody is discussing the quality of the writing, without analysing the writing. It's like everyone wants to address it, without touching it.

I hate when only snippets or sections of books are released for preview...
Personally, I have to read more than one chapter to decide whether I like the content or whether I'll be able to connect with the characters at all. I don't understand all the people that are jumping to conclusions after having read this small section.

I've already got mine preordered - it's cheap for a book. Why the hell not?

The Cheezy One:
preordered it ages ago from amazon.co.uk

Same. Only from amazon.com.

Now STOP spamming my Escapist!

;)

(just kidding - it's worth it... Spam on!)

I don't read much, but I'll probably pick up a copy after it's out a month or two(pre-ordering always makes me feel like I have to read it right then).

It's exactly the same style as Fog Juice and Articulate Jim.

Apparently, this is better than both of those (according to his site) but I can't see much of a difference. The writing is the same as those two, and (my opinion maybe biased as this is only a preview) Fog Juice and Articulate Jim both had really interesting ideas. This does too, but... I dunno, I'll still be getting it when it comes out, it just doesn't seem as interesting as I thought.

What I want to see is how many people give him bad reviews just to give him a taste of his own medicine. Hopefully there will be a ZP parody review, that would be funny. Unless it's crap.

DayDark:

Magnalian:

Spinozaad:
You got to admire the amount of Fan Fascism. When someone says it sucks they 'have to back it up' or 'do better themselves', yet you can safely go 'OMG IT'S AWESOME' without any kind of argumentation.

Funny.

Doesn't that happen all the time? If the majority of people like something, when somebody says they don't like it they get questioned.

It does happen all the time. I don't think the problem is that the negative get questioned. Ideally everyone would be questioned, the positive equally. One says something is awesome, another should go "why?", just like the negative. Then we wouldn't be swimming in all this relativism, where everybody is discussing the quality of the writing, without analysing the writing. It's like everyone wants to address it, without touching it.

People should give explanation for any opinion they have.

I haven't posted on this forum for a long time, but somehow I ended up reading this whole thread after I checked out the MOGWORLD preview and felt the need to say something.

There is no rule for writing. What you like in a writer might be what someone else doesn't. Someone said this bit...

"The day was wearing thin and the sun was making exaggerated yawns and meaningful looks at the horizon."

... is show-off, flowery writing that is just a long, cute way of saying "it's getting late". Which is a valid point. I happen to like that bit. I like it when a writer thinks of new and creative ways to express something. This passage gets the idea through in a fun manner, and to me there's nothing wrong with it.

It was also said the use of the adjective "flamboyant" without any further clarification is an example of bad writing. Writing doesn't need to be chewed up for the reader. Great writing tends to leave a lot to the reader's imagination, and a "flamboyant sign", in my imagination, was a really overdone, exaggerated sign. I needed no more than that to keep reading -- frankly, that's as much as I needed to know about the sign.

But the bit that means, to me, that Yahtzee does know how to write (something I already thought from his reviews and website), is this:

"The debate ended when someone ran down the street outside, loudly ringing a handbell, and every adventurer in the room immediately bolted for the door. Within seconds the three of us and the innkeeper were the only people left in the inn. All was silent but for the sound of abandoned chairs and barstools gently rocking on their back legs for a moment before falling over with a clatter."

This paragraph created a vivid and comical image in my mind as I read it thanks to how skillfully written it was. Not to mention, in an earlier part of the preview, using the letter Y as a point of reference as to how the city is built, which also did a good job of inspiring the my imagination.

So, to me, this preview is well-written and fun. What I liked about it, you might not like, and that's valid (especially if you present examples and arguments instead of throwing adjectives around).

Writing, and art in general, are subjective. Trying to convince one another here that this is good or bad writing will lead nowhere. And insults will make sure whatever you say next is given even less thought.

the quote on the front says its not just for gamers, but judging from that chapter i think anyone that hasnt played a dungeon crawler or mmo will miss 75% of the references

Andrenavarro:
I haven't posted on this forum for a long time, but somehow I ended up reading this whole thread after I checked out the MOGWORLD preview and felt the need to say something.

There is no rule for writing. What you like in a writer might be what someone else doesn't. Someone said this bit...

"The day was wearing thin and the sun was making exaggerated yawns and meaningful looks at the horizon."

... is show-off, flowery writing that is just a long, cute way of saying "it's getting late". Which is a valid point. I happen to like that bit. I like it when a writer thinks of new and creative ways to express something. This passage gets the idea through in a fun manner, and to me there's nothing wrong with it.

It was also said the use of the adjective "flamboyant" without any further clarification is an example of bad writing. Writing doesn't need to be chewed up for the reader. Great writing tends to leave a lot to the reader's imagination, and a "flamboyant sign", in my imagination, was a really overdone, exaggerated sign. I needed no more than that to keep reading -- frankly, that's as much as I needed to know about the sign.

But the bit that means, to me, that Yahtzee does know how to write (something I already thought from his reviews and website), is this:

"The debate ended when someone ran down the street outside, loudly ringing a handbell, and every adventurer in the room immediately bolted for the door. Within seconds the three of us and the innkeeper were the only people left in the inn. All was silent but for the sound of abandoned chairs and barstools gently rocking on their back legs for a moment before falling over with a clatter."

This paragraph created a vivid and comical image in my mind as I read it thanks to how skillfully written it was. Not to mention, in an earlier part of the preview, using the letter Y as a point of reference as to how the city is built, which also did a good job of inspiring the my imagination.

So, to me, this preview is well-written and fun. What I liked about it, you might not like, and that's valid (especially if you present examples and arguments instead of throwing adjectives around).

Writing, and art in general, are subjective. Trying to convince one another here that this is good or bad writing will lead nowhere. And insults will make sure whatever you say next is given even less thought.

I think there's a skilled and renowned writer who would disagree with you there.

Also, there was no flow to it. The problem stemmed from the fact that Yahtzee is a descriptive writer (Denotes facts and information) rather than a narrative writer (uses connotation to provide information). Maybe after Yahtzee works on a few more books and improves a lot, then his ideas can come to life as they should. But for now, they're unique ideas presented in an awkward format.

Kubanator:

Andrenavarro:
I haven't posted on this forum for a long time, but somehow I ended up reading this whole thread after I checked out the MOGWORLD preview and felt the need to say something.

There is no rule for writing. What you like in a writer might be what someone else doesn't. Someone said this bit...

"The day was wearing thin and the sun was making exaggerated yawns and meaningful looks at the horizon."

... is show-off, flowery writing that is just a long, cute way of saying "it's getting late". Which is a valid point. I happen to like that bit. I like it when a writer thinks of new and creative ways to express something. This passage gets the idea through in a fun manner, and to me there's nothing wrong with it.

It was also said the use of the adjective "flamboyant" without any further clarification is an example of bad writing. Writing doesn't need to be chewed up for the reader. Great writing tends to leave a lot to the reader's imagination, and a "flamboyant sign", in my imagination, was a really overdone, exaggerated sign. I needed no more than that to keep reading -- frankly, that's as much as I needed to know about the sign.

But the bit that means, to me, that Yahtzee does know how to write (something I already thought from his reviews and website), is this:

"The debate ended when someone ran down the street outside, loudly ringing a handbell, and every adventurer in the room immediately bolted for the door. Within seconds the three of us and the innkeeper were the only people left in the inn. All was silent but for the sound of abandoned chairs and barstools gently rocking on their back legs for a moment before falling over with a clatter."

This paragraph created a vivid and comical image in my mind as I read it thanks to how skillfully written it was. Not to mention, in an earlier part of the preview, using the letter Y as a point of reference as to how the city is built, which also did a good job of inspiring the my imagination.

So, to me, this preview is well-written and fun. What I liked about it, you might not like, and that's valid (especially if you present examples and arguments instead of throwing adjectives around).

Writing, and art in general, are subjective. Trying to convince one another here that this is good or bad writing will lead nowhere. And insults will make sure whatever you say next is given even less thought.

I think there's a skilled and renowned writer who would disagree with you there.

Also, there was no flow to it. The problem stemmed from the fact that Yahtzee is a descriptive writer (Denotes facts and information) rather than a narrative writer (uses connotation to provide information). Maybe after Yahtzee works on a few more books and improves a lot, then his ideas can come to life as they should. But for now, they're unique ideas presented in an awkward format.

Whether Shakespeare would have agreed or disagreed doesn't matter -- he's dead, so I'm afraid his opinion on this particular case will remain unknown. And his style wasn't the only style a writer could or should adopt.

To me, the writing in this preview flowed fairly well. I didn't have a problem understanding the location they were in, what the characters were doing or whatever was going on, and I had fun reading it. I didn't spot anything I would call, in my opinion, awkward -- what I consider clunky writing are some moments in Noah Gordon's THE PHYSICIAN or the first ten pages of Tom Clancy's WITHOUT REMORSE (I'm still debating with myself whether reading the rest would be an utter waste of my time). MOGWORLD seems like a fun book from this sample, and any further examination I will hold until I've actually read the whole thing.

CuddlyCombine:
First-person narrative, huh? Didn't see that one coming, given that you're always all about letting the consumer immerse themselves in a story (which, of course, is easier when the lead isn't saying "I" every second sentence).

Well, it's not your story is it? In a game, you're supposed to be driving the story, but a book already has a main character. Really, First person perspective does help with the humour, and a book doesn't need the reader to become the main character.
Anyway, I will be keeping an eye out for this.

Nintendolover222:

DayDark:

Magnalian:

Spinozaad:
You got to admire the amount of Fan Fascism. When someone says it sucks they 'have to back it up' or 'do better themselves', yet you can safely go 'OMG IT'S AWESOME' without any kind of argumentation.

Funny.

Doesn't that happen all the time? If the majority of people like something, when somebody says they don't like it they get questioned.

It does happen all the time. I don't think the problem is that the negative get questioned. Ideally everyone would be questioned, the positive equally. One says something is awesome, another should go "why?", just like the negative. Then we wouldn't be swimming in all this relativism, where everybody is discussing the quality of the writing, without analysing the writing. It's like everyone wants to address it, without touching it.

People should give explanation for any opinion they have.

That's even better, then there's no reason to ask why at all :)

I knew I had forgotten to do something!

*heads to Amazon to pre-order*

So,when will Yahtzee sell the rights to make the Mogworld movie?Also,can i get a copy here in Brazil?

edit:as for all the people who are saying that his writing style is bad and he just got published because he's pseudo famous,i'd like you to remember a name: Stephenie Mayer.

I was originally going to buy the book because I thought Yahtzee was funny, but after reading that excerpt I want to buy it cause it looks genuinely good.

haters gunna hate... (Need the animated image of the fat kid)

Probably gunna buy in august :)

OANST:

MrSpectabular:
Yeah I have to admit I was baffled how I managed to avoid a warning and you got one for effectively complementing his joke. ;D

I think that maybe they were just looking for any reason to slap me down a notch, as I constantly point out the bad editing in their articles and then said unkind things about their star's writing abilities. Maybe not, though. Maybe that particular mod really is an imbecile.

Or maybe it's because you're just a dick.

Well.....at least he knows what grammar is....LOL

Well it started badly. Some of the analogies were a bit off. You described a bustling, crowded street as a catwalk of armour clad monsters, or something like that. Well catwalks aren't very crowded, or bustling. They're usually very orderly and quiet. So that was a bit of an inconsistent image.

The prose is very strange in places. Not going to provide examples as I'm sure other have already. But around page 4, when the faulty exposition finally stops and the dialogue begins, it does become the classic, funny, recognizable Yahtzee prose that we all love.

One or two cliches made me flinch. I suppose it's too late to weed those out now.

Ah well, you're still young. Nobody expected you to score full marks on your first attempt. Even classic writers like Hunter Thompson wrote amateurism, unpublishable novels until their mid-30's.

By the end I was enjoying it, despite a few niggles that persisted to the end. Work on your exposition, keep at it, etc.

brunothepig:
Well, it's not your story is it? In a game, you're supposed to be driving the story, but a book already has a main character. Really, First person perspective does help with the humour, and a book doesn't need the reader to become the main character.
Anyway, I will be keeping an eye out for this.

Perhaps I'm a just more of a fan of the omniscient third-person narrative, because I've always found first-person to be jarring in terms of immersion. Of course, it's not necessary for you to become the main character, but even if it helps you relate, it's going somewhere.

Read a few pages and decided to save it for when I have the entire thing.
I will be reading it from iBooks on my iPad... right?
PLEASE?!

OANST:

MrSpectabular:
Yeah I have to admit I was baffled how I managed to avoid a warning and you got one for effectively complementing his joke. ;D

I think that maybe they were just looking for any reason to slap me down a notch, as I constantly point out the bad editing in their articles and then said unkind things about their star's writing abilities. Maybe not, though. Maybe that particular mod really is an imbecile.

Can you send me the link to your perfectly edited website please. Because I do find reading articles without any mistakes much more interesting. After all it's not the context of the piece but the impeccable delivery.

This site may have a mistake here and there. But to me, they maintain one of the best forums around. I think it is quite sad for you to be a member of the site if you are just patrolling for mistakes.

DoanDavid:

eezaak:
People still read books in this day and age??!!

Yes, you see, there is a thing called "intellectuality". Some people have it.

Also a thing called virginity....you have it

This book looks really interesting! If only I could order it from somewhere like Amazon.com or Amazon.co.uk...

Seriously though my order's in.

Joabbuac:

DoanDavid:

eezaak:
People still read books in this day and age??!!

Yes, you see, there is a thing called "intellectuality". Some people have it.

Also a thing called virginity....you have it

Good to see people are not getting smarter. Now we wouldn't want that to happen!

And now I've made the first TVtropes entry on it.

I will tell the truth. I didnt think Yahtzee was capable of providing an amazing novel. By was I ever wrong! This is amazing just by reading the snippets I was enticed to carry on reading! I may have to pre order this.

Joabbuac:

DoanDavid:

eezaak:
People still read books in this day and age??!!

Yes, you see, there is a thing called "intellectuality". Some people have it.

Also a thing called virginity....you have it

Damn all those book-readin', queer-o-sexuals to hells.

The day I learn to read is the day evolution is taught in my schools.

Really interesting, so gonna buy it, keep up the good work yahtzee

Gah! I can't not read it in Yahtzee's voice!

I'm I the only one getting a bit of a Discworld vibe from this? Basically he's a zombie Rincewind.

Nice exerpt, I CAN'T WAIT I AM SO GETTING IT!

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